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I would like to know if there's gonna be an application HUB in the new Windows Phone 7 Series??
Would be nice to have a hub where you can add your favorite 3rd party applications like:
- Location/Navigation software (Google Maps, TomTom, iGO, CoPilot etc.)
- Browser software (Opera, Skyfire etc.)
- Games
- Multimedia software (CorePlayer, TCPMP etc.)
Sorted by example on Category or Most used.
Would be nice, usefull and marketable.
I don't get why Microsoft would introduce an "Application Hub" when the point of Hubs was to get rid of the "applications".
Games would be in the games hub, multimedia would be in the multimedia hub. There's an applications list in alphabetical order on the start page if the right arrow is pressed...
according to http://www.modaco.com/ there's a marketplace hub. does this mean this is the only entry point to install applications? Makes me get panic attacks!
I guess that there'd be another way to install applications, unless they want to have corporate users stay with WinMo 6.5.* for the future, as when a company wants to have a mobile app tied to there custom company software for in house use, they for sure wouldn't want it to take the way over the Marketplace.
As for having the most used applications easily available: you could just pin them to the Startscreen a.k.a. Live-Tiles. You can pin single contacts, single albums, single songs there and I believe somebody already said, that u could pin programs from the App-List to the right too. Depends on the application how it then uses the Live Tile (to display highscore, in-game scenes or what not).
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I guess that there'd be another way to install applications, unless they want to have corporate users stay with WinMo 6.5.* for the future, as when a company wants to have a mobile app tied to there custom company software for in house use, they for sure wouldn't want it to take the way over the Marketplace.
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That is a good point. I hope you are right. Not being able to run whatever program I want to is a big deal breaker for me. If this were the case I would go Android unless WP7 gets jailbroken (I feel so sad using this term for WM/WP; it is so open right now. Why restrict it in such ways?).
the reason that they are restricting the apps, is to make the system more stable. They want the experience to be amazing on every phone, eg making the hardware requirements so strict. They want to be able to evaluate what an app does to the system before it is released. They are making the submission parameters easier to comply with, so it will be easy to put your work on marketplace. They new marketplace specs for 6.5 will give developers the ability to make links straight to the app on the marketplace.
Initially I was starting to kinda freak out, but I think this is for the best. It will force people to use the marketplace, and since it won't support old apps, it will move all the applications for windows mobile to one spot, it is just one more way they are trying to compete with apple.
And on a side note, I'm not actually sure that winpho7 has a file explorer... Nothing in the demo gave me reason to think that one would be there. I think they are trying to replace explorer with the hubs.
If you swipe left on the start page, you get a list of all your applications.
I don't think there's a seperate, categorised hub.
I believe you can also add shortcut tiles on the start page, but that's all I know.
(And yeah, I too would like to find out whether WP7 has a file explorer...)
webpatrick said:
I would like to know if there's gonna be an application HUB in the new Windows Phone 7 Series??
Would be nice to have a hub where you can add your favorite 3rd party applications like:
- Location/Navigation software (Google Maps, TomTom, iGO, CoPilot etc.)
- Browser software (Opera, Skyfire etc.)
- Games
- Multimedia software (CorePlayer, TCPMP etc.)
Sorted by example on Category or Most used.
Would be nice, usefull and marketable.
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I don't mean to be rude but this doesn't make any sense.
Add your favorite applications to your Start Screen. All the rest are in a list when you swipe to the right.
Apps that fit a certain category would go in that category's hub. Why would you have Games in an Application hub and then have a Games hub? Remember under the Music&Video hub there was Pandora (right now they have it under a list of apps under the hub).. that's your Multimedia software.
I do agree that additional hubs would make sense.. we don't only care about people and pictures etc. but also things like RSS news updates, or like you said, location and navigation. An Internet hub would be a good place for Favorites/Bookmarks, History (shared across every installed browser), RSS, IE8 Web Slices, website notifications (not every update on Twitter and Facebook is by an actual person/contact), etc. If you give the same treatment to Location/Mapping, then suddenly you don't have the standalone apps of IE and Bing sticking out in the hub-centric experience.
but a bunch of shortcuts to different programs doesn't make sense as a hub, just pin them to Start.
reformedctrlz said:
the reason that they are restricting the apps, is to make the system more stable. They want the experience to be amazing on every phone, eg making the hardware requirements so strict. They want to be able to evaluate what an app does to the system before it is released. They are making the submission parameters easier to comply with, so it will be easy to put your work on marketplace. They new marketplace specs for 6.5 will give developers the ability to make links straight to the app on the marketplace.
Initially I was starting to kinda freak out, but I think this is for the best. It will force people to use the marketplace, and since it won't support old apps, it will move all the applications for windows mobile to one spot, it is just one more way they are trying to compete with apple.
And on a side note, I'm not actually sure that winpho7 has a file explorer... Nothing in the demo gave me reason to think that one would be there. I think they are trying to replace explorer with the hubs.
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The problem is that you have to pay $100 for your spot at the marketplace table. Even if your app is free. Simply not fair. No more xda members coding up their own programs and releasing free.
And hubs is not a file explorer. I dont want a device that thinks it knows what I want to do with my files. If I want something that restricts where I get apps and what files I am allowed to store on my device I will get an iphone.
The only thing wp7 might have over iphone os (besides interface; I do think wp7 has a very cool and original ui; that is a matter of opinion though) is multitasking. While details are slim and it sounds like multitasking capability will be very restricted, it sounds like background processing will be available to third party apps at least in some form. Thats more than iphones can say.
Unfortunately I think its android time for me. But I'm not sad about it. Ive started really looking into it and it seems pretty cool. It has full multitasking now and the latest phones are sporting some awesome hardware. I will probably get my first android phone over the summer and i'm excited.
I'm not waiting nearly another year to get hands on an actual wp7 device. Maybe when more details come out it won't be so bad but I doubt it and I'm not waiting to find out. The direction of Microsoft is back in time toward more restriction and control of the product. It's time I jump ship to an open source OS. Sad because I love MS desktop products. My computing world is a constant battle between google and MS. I use windows 7, outlook, exchange, windows mobile office ect. But I choose google over ie, google over bing, and soon android over wm. Will be interesting to see how well this combination will play together.
I don't think installing Cab files will change all too much..I believe it will be much like it is today except we aren't putting the cart before the horse this time. I mean Marketplace just launched months ago even though WinMo has been around for over a decade...its hard to have an effective marketplace when people who want apps know the better places to find them. This time around the app store will launch with the OS so i think it puts more emphasis on the App store (to the average consumer) as well as being better integrated into the phone...but who's/what's stopping us from just downloading Apps the same as usual? Microsoft has mentioned that Activesync will still work with WP7 (Zune will be just for music, pictures, movies) so why is it all of a sudden impossible just to do what we've been doing for years?
It seems odd the exodus that seems to be happening lately. Its like you guys were perfectly happy with with Windows the way it is now?!?! If you are then stay with it the way it is now..lol. I personally can't wait to the what the guys here are gonna come up with for HUB's...hell I can't wait for HTC to put their special touch on WP7..I can imagine the HUB put together in a TF3D fashion...with their own additions of Weather (with that gorgeous UI) stocks...etc. I'm not gonna lie...the possibilities are as endless in the future as they are with the current OS. I think it will be fun to see in about a year, how many of you guys who are riding the fence or doubting the upcoming release will change your minds.
I once had to drag my best friend on a double date....he didn't want to go, he complained the whole way there...saw the girl, and did everything he could to make an excuse to get out of there (she wasn't his type)...now they're married, crazy things happen when you give something a chance. I've waited 2+ years for this and won't back out now just because I see something I don't know the answer to...once I get the OS in hand I will make my decision. I think thats the most logical way
~style~
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I don't think installing Cab files will change all too much..I believe it will be much like it is today except we aren't putting the cart before the horse this time. I mean Marketplace just launched months ago even though WinMo has been around for over a decade...its hard to have an effective marketplace when people who want apps know the better places to find them. This time around the app store will launch with the OS so i think it puts more emphasis on the App store (to the average consumer) as well as being better integrated into the phone...but who's/what's stopping us from just downloading Apps the same as usual? Microsoft has mentioned that Activesync will still work with WP7 (Zune will be just for music, pictures, movies) so why is it all of a sudden impossible just to do what we've been doing for years?
It seems odd the exodus that seems to be happening lately. Its like you guys were perfectly happy with with Windows the way it is now?!?! If you are then stay with it the way it is now..lol. I personally can't wait to the what the guys here are gonna come up with for HUB's...hell I can't wait for HTC to put their special touch on WP7..I can imagine the HUB put together in a TF3D fashion...with their own additions of Weather (with that gorgeous UI) stocks...etc. I'm not gonna lie...the possibilities are as endless in the future as they are with the current OS. I think it will be fun to see in about a year, how many of you guys who are riding the fence or doubting the upcoming release will change your minds.
I once had to drag my best friend on a double date....he didn't want to go, he complained the whole way there...saw the girl, and did everything he could to make an excuse to get out of there (she wasn't his type)...now they're married, crazy things happen when you give something a chance. I've waited 2+ years for this and won't back out now just because I see something I don't know the answer to...once I get the OS in hand I will make my decision. I think thats the most logical way
~style~
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I think you have misunderstood the announcements. Activesync (as in sync with PC) will NOT be available. It also seems that there is no way to access the file system on the device. The only way to install apps is through the marketplace. They are removing the ability to just install a cab as we have always done. That is the problem. I am not saying I won't give it a chance. These points may turn out to be wrong. All I am saying is that current info suggests that this is the case and if so WP7 is not for me. Of course I am not going to pass final judgement until it is released. But since all indicators point to the negative I am not going to wait to find out for sure when there are tempting alternatives. And no I am not satisfied with WM as it currently is. The problem is that WP7 fixed what was wrong with WM6 and at the same time trashed everything that was good about WM6 (once again, nothing is for certain but this is what evidence points to).
ok even if it's like that it's microsoft.
Even iphone has jailbreak. In our case we will not have to worry for warranty.
The so called no oem sw will return as bumerang on them.
This is the most hardcore forum on pda's and every one says bhaaaa on MS.
When they did their survey they mast asked only iphone and simple phone users, sertainly not wm users. )
One of peoples biggest complaints is multitasking well here we go:
Scherotter said while a few major apps will be able to multitask, such as Pandora, the music streaming app that will play in the background while the user is doing something else, independent apps will not, for now. Scherotter said that eventually, independent apps will be multitask-capable, but he wouldn't say when that would be.
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source: wpcentral (I can't post links yet)
Great find. Here is the link -
http://wpcentral.com/multitasking-coming-wp7-pandora-can-multitask-now
I'm pretty sure that was in the initial WP7 reveal back in Feb? The policy seems to be that the big names will get access to multi-tasking (for the moment) and even then only if they can justify why they need it. So basically music apps and maybe IM clients will get it for now.
Well at least there is some multitasking and so its a start
Only thin new about this news is that major apps will gain multitasking, we have known for a while that WP7 will get multitasking
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Well that is definately a start, not being able to listen to music in the background while responding to a text or browsing the web would be pretty lame.
Updated: Say it ain't so! Looks like Network World got the quote wrong as Michael Scherotter ask them to make a correction noting: "Great article but with a slight correction; built-in software like Zune can play music in the background. Pandora cannot at this time."
I've heard that going forward they will open up multi-tasking to apps that require it (given a good reason for needing it)
The latest Engadget Show had a lengthy interview with Aaron Woodman who confirmed that multitasking will be on the device and that there are zero technical problems with multitasking on the OS.
Microsoft are working on a compelling user experience to manage the multitasking applications which I think is a good thing. Apple have a good system but it's not perfect and what's the point of just copying the design from a competitor.
As copy/paste is coming at the start of the year I would be surprised if multitasking is not released by end of Q3 next year.
If you look through the marketplace you can see that some apps is using a permission named "RunUnderLock", I guess that that one is true multitasking.
I'm also pretty sure that Spotify have confirmed that they're able to multitask.
Sir. Haxalot said:
If you look through the marketplace you can see that some apps is using a permission named "RunUnderLock", I guess that that one is true multitasking.
I'm also pretty sure that Spotify have confirmed that they're able to multitask.
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Last FM and the twitter app is reported to have multitask also actual user has reported it. here ->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=823129
One thing I use a lot on my current device is Pocket IRC. I hope a form of it is made for WP7 and that it will multitask so you can do other stuff and come back to see if anyone is talking when the rooms get a bit quiet.
Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
Before I begin my rant, please allow me to say that I have used many many many PDA phones. And WP7 has without a doubt, some of the most GLARING problems I have ever seen in a mobile OS.
My phone history (in no [particular order]:
-T-mobile Pocket PC (the 1st one)
- SE P800, P900, P910I
- Xperia X1
- Many different WM 5.0, 6.0 6.5 phones (maybe 10 or more). If I were to list them all this would take all day. My most recent WM phone before this HD7 was the HTC TyTN II.
- Nokia N93i, N95, N900 (still got it)
- Nokia Communicators 9210 and E90
- Iphone 1st Gen
- Kyocera Palm OS phone
- Probably other stuff I forgot about along the way.
(Btw, all of these phones had address books which worked great)
I am in no way saying that I am some PDA expert, but I think its safe to say I've used alot of PDAs.
Good afternoon. I really hope somebody from Microsoft or Steve himself or some MS dev is reading this.
I recently bought a HTC HD7 and after using it for 1hr my initial impressions were very good....THEN i used it a bit longer and I started to realize something.
Cons:
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
2. The WP7's media playerss seek function needs to work like a STANDARD portable TOUCH SCREEN media player. Why am I not able skip to the part of the video I want to watch by simply sliding my finger along the time bar until I reach my target moment? Why am I forced to press a seek button instead? I thought this was a touch screen phone, not to mention the fact that Pocket PC, Pocket PC 2003, WM 5.0 WM 6.0 WM 6.5 all included this missing function. Do you guys even watch movies on your cell phones? Or are you guys still using Nokia 5200s?
3. Xbox Live is buggy as hell. I download a game through Xbox Live and it says I need to connect my phone to my computer or connect to wifi (It was already both) in order to complete the install. There is no easy way to check the progress of the installation of download unless I try to download another application. Is the ability to check the progress without downloading another app hidden somewhere? If so, why is it hidden?
4. When I try to visit a previous webpage and I press the hardware backwards arrow botton, it kicks me out of IE.
5. The hardware buttons have great sensitivity, but I am constantly pressing them by accident (with my palm), thus closing my active program unintentionally.
And let me tell you, I do not have large hands.
6. I dunno why it doesnt work as a USB drive natively. Perhaps this is some sort of piracy control measure or you are trying to mimic apple.
7. Cant copy and paste. I dunno why this is so hard for you guys. You guys could have some sort of hardware button, that when pushed activates a 2nd function to the screen pressing. Instead of clicking on a link, if the hardware button is pressed, it would allow the user to select the letters and highlight them. Then copy/paste somewhere else.
8. I cannot delete/hide my recently browsed youtube video history. I was looking at videos of girls shaking their butts and afterwards when I went to my zune application, I saw the video thumbnails there! I cant delete or hide them? Where is the privacy?
9. Doesnt support Divx codecs, which it should because this is a phone for a "mobile life style". Why would I want to sit at my computer for hrs waiting for my videos to convert? Why do you guys and apple insist on your own proprietary formats?
Sub-Score: -9
Pros:
1. Works fast, very smooth. Is this a result of the reduced interface .
2. Web browsing is pretty good, except I cant fast forward through youtube videos by sliding my finger on the time bar.
Sub-Score: +2
Total Score: -7
I do not believe this phone is beyond saving. Surely you guys must have noticed some of the things I mentioned. Why you did not remedy these issues before the release? I do not know. If you guys were unaware of the problems I mentioned, well now you know. Please fix these issues soon and FFS, please add a proper address book application and allow me to use my finger/time bar to seek through a video/song/youtube vid.
Currently, I would have to say this phone is nothing more than a portable media player with some phone functions built in. And you guys already screwed up with the media player part.
If I could go back in time (which was only yesterday) I would have bought a HTC Desire HD. But I cant so I can only pray that you guys fix some/most of these issues.
If I am sorely mistaken and some of these functions actually are included and hidden somewhere, why are they not intuitive?
Thanks.....for nothing.....
I always liked the N95 symbian address book that allowed me to create groups for my contacts and I liked all WM previous phone dialers which would cross reference all incoming and outgoing calls with the numbers I was pressing.
Microsoft should atleast make a dialer thats as good as their previous ones, and maybe learn a thing or 2 from Symbian.
Edit: I just read that it was possible to cut down the number of contacts from facebook that appear in your phone, but it still should not be this difficult. I should be able to simple long press the contact and select delete or hide.
Nice One Star thread repeating issues in about 20 other threads
One thing I'd like to agree with the OP about is the Capacitive buttons. They're a good idea in theory (the Vibrant has them as well), but they're practically terrible. They are very prone to hitting by accident.
Lots of OSes can learn from Symbian, but being the Jack of All Trades has not worked for any OS to date. Windows Mobile also supported a ton of stuff and it's marketshare in the US suffered a lot. Symbian has great marketshare overseas because the OS is used in low-end feature phones as well. They aren't strong in the mid-high end smartphone market.
And they would be, if they didn't put such small NANDs in the phones, skimp on the RAM in the phones (it uses a Virtual memory architechture, but the phones still need at least 348 MB RAM, IMO), and have such an embarassing user interface. I really like that it has the most flexible development environment of any smartphone OS, though (similar to [again] Windows Mobile on that front).
Blazerfan722 said:
Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
Before I begin my rant, please allow me to say that I have used many many many PDA phones. And WP7 has without a doubt, some of the most GLARING problems I have ever seen in a mobile OS.
My phone history (in no [particular order]:
-T-mobile Pocket PC (the 1st one)
- SE P800, P900, P910I
- Xperia X1
- Many different WM 5.0, 6.0 6.5 phones (maybe 10 or more). If I were to list them all this would take all day. My most recent WM phone before this HD7 was the HTC TyTN II.
- Nokia N93i, N95, N900 (still got it)
- Nokia Communicators 9210 and E90
- Iphone 1st Gen
- Kyocera Palm OS phone
- Probably other stuff I forgot about along the way.
(Btw, all of these phones had address books which worked great)
I am in no way saying that I am some PDA expert, but I think its safe to say I've used alot of PDAs.
Good afternoon. I really hope somebody from Microsoft or Steve himself or some MS dev is reading this.
I recently bought a HTC HD7 and after using it for 1hr my initial impressions were very good....THEN i used it a bit longer and I started to realize something.
Cons:
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
2. The WP7's media playerss seek function needs to work like a STANDARD portable TOUCH SCREEN media player. Why am I not able skip to the part of the video I want to watch by simply sliding my finger along the time bar until I reach my target moment? Why am I forced to press a seek button instead? I thought this was a touch screen phone, not to mention the fact that Pocket PC, Pocket PC 2003, WM 5.0 WM 6.0 WM 6.5 all included this missing function. Do you guys even watch movies on your cell phones? Or are you guys still using Nokia 5200s?
3. Xbox Live is buggy as hell. I download a game through Xbox Live and it says I need to connect my phone to my computer or connect to wifi (It was already both) in order to complete the install. There is no easy way to check the progress of the installation of download unless I try to download another application. Is the ability to check the progress without downloading another app hidden somewhere? If so, why is it hidden?
4. When I try to visit a previous webpage and I press the hardware backwards arrow botton, it kicks me out of IE.
5. The hardware buttons have great sensitivity, but I am constantly pressing them by accident (with my palm), thus closing my active program unintentionally.
And let me tell you, I do not have large hands.
6. I dunno why it doesnt work as a USB drive natively. Perhaps this is some sort of piracy control measure or you are trying to mimic apple.
7. Cant copy and paste. I dunno why this is so hard for you guys. You guys could have some sort of hardware button, that when pushed activates a 2nd function to the screen pressing. Instead of clicking on a link, if the hardware button is pressed, it would allow the user to select the letters and highlight them. Then copy/paste somewhere else.
8. I cannot delete/hide my recently browsed youtube video history. I was looking at videos of girls shaking their butts and afterwards when I went to my zune application, I saw the video thumbnails there! I cant delete or hide them? Where is the privacy?
9. Doesnt support Divx codecs, which it should because this is a phone for a "mobile life style". Why would I want to sit at my computer for hrs waiting for my videos to convert? Why do you guys and apple insist on your own proprietary formats?
Sub-Score: -9
Pros:
1. Works fast, very smooth. Is this a result of the reduced interface .
2. Web browsing is pretty good, except I cant fast forward through youtube videos by sliding my finger on the time bar.
Sub-Score: +2
Total Score: -7
I do not believe this phone is beyond saving. Surely you guys must have noticed some of the things I mentioned. Why you did not remedy these issues before the release? I do not know. If you guys were unaware of the problems I mentioned, well now you know. Please fix these issues soon and FFS, please add a proper address book application and allow me to use my finger/time bar to seek through a video/song/youtube vid.
Currently, I would have to say this phone is nothing more than a portable media player with some phone functions built in. And you guys already screwed up with the media player part.
If I could go back in time (which was only yesterday) I would have bought a HTC Desire HD. But I cant so I can only pray that you guys fix some/most of these issues.
If I am sorely mistaken and some of these functions actually are included and hidden somewhere, why are they not intuitive?
Thanks.....for nothing.....
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1. There's a separate Facebook app in the marketplace. If you don't want to integrate everyone, get it.
2. Agree on this point.
3. Never happened to me. If you want to see the progress stay on that page. A little bar begins to fill up. So I don't know what you're talking about.
4. Only time that happens to me is when I exit IE and then try to come back in.
5. Sorry, but that's user error.
6. There's already a workaround. You can use it as a mass storage device.
7. Its coming in the update. Why is that so hard to get?
8. Don't browse inappropriate videos? Or play a few more things after to make it replace the history items.
9. Kinda agree, but its not unheard of at all. So why would they do it?
EDIT: Poster above was more succint.
The problem isn't DivX as far as I understand, it's avi. Divx is just an implementation of MPEG-4 Part 2 Advanced Simple Profile, which is supported. And the strange part here is that avi is Microsoft's own proprietary format, while mp4 is Apple's. Strange times.
Scrubbing is needed not only for long videos, I use it all the time for YouTube and music (especially podcasts, many of which aren't properly separated into chapters).
WOW, only the 20th "I hate WP7" thread for today so far? Hmmm, the trolls are slacking.
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1. There's a separate Facebook app in the marketplace. If you don't want to integrate everyone, get it.
2. Agree on this point.
3. Never happened to me. If you want to see the progress stay on that page. A little bar begins to fill up. So I don't know what you're talking about.
4. Only time that happens to me is when I exit IE and then try to come back in.
5. Sorry, but that's user error.
6. There's already a workaround. You can use it as a mass storage device.
7. Its coming in the update. Why is that so hard to get?
8. Don't browse inappropriate videos? Or play a few more things after to make it replace the history items.
9. Kinda agree, but its not unheard of at all. So why would they do it?
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He got the phone. It has many limitations he doesn't like.
So what's your problem?
"Coming in the update" means nothing. It may be month or 5 months.
Nobody buys a device to wait for update, well, maybe only tech geeks, but that's not the phone for them.
doministry said:
He got the phone. It has many limitations he doesn't like.
So what's your problem?
"Coming in the update" means nothing. It may be month or 5 months.
Nobody buys a device to wait for update, well, maybe only tech geeks, but that's not the phone for them.
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And he, like everyone else who bought one, should've known the deficiencies the devices carry atm. So, what's your problem?
You don't like the features a phone has or is lacking, you don't buy it. Simple, no?
And the update is expected in January.
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WOW, only the 20th "I hate WP7" thread for today so far? Hmmm, the trolls are slacking.
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No, no, I'm watching ....
Blazerfan722 said:
Dear Steve Ballmer & Microsoft,
1. The contact list function is really really bad. You guys replaced the standard address book function with the Facebook contact list. It is horribly bad. It is so bad that it leads me to believe that NONE OF YOU have actually used facebook in your life. If any of you developers were actually familiar with Facebook, you would have realized that most consumers definitely do not want 80% of their Facebook contacts cluttering/polluting their cell phones address book. Also, why am I not able to browse through my Facebook contacts photos? Am I missing something? Why cant I simply just tap the portrait of my facebook friend and look at his profile pictures?
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You do know that you can disable Facebook friends as contacts in the settings, don't you?
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You do know that you can disable Facebook friends as contacts in the settings, don't you?
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People these days expect the phone to pop up push messages from the microsoft servers for days after they buy it detailing every single detail of the device.
Reading, Reading Comprehension, Critical Thinking... These sorts of things are out the window these days.
N8ter said:
People these days expect the phone to pop up push messages from the microsoft servers for days after they buy it detailing every single detail of the device.
Reading, Reading Comprehension, Critical Thinking... These sorts of things are out the window these days.
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Bet your house on that. Our society is getting dumber, lazier and more malleable by the minute. Though I digress...
LOL... This guy's not a troll!
He's genuinely disappointed with his purchase and has every right to complain about it. If you WP7 sympathisers were honest with yourselves, you would recognise that there are currently plenty of problems with this platform, and disaffected users have every right to complain.
There's no point pretending the problems don't exist.. it's obvious they, perhaps you only ever read Microsoft blogs and listen to Channel 9. If you want a true indication about how many users are feeling, just read the Microsoft questions and answers forum.
Guys,
This is still a new OS, it's been out for ONE month, many of these things gonna be replaced or added with updates. Just wait and see. The most important thing now is that's a fast and simple OS. Just remember what ****ty phone iPhone was, look what it became now... Time does miracles!
Alright guys, I'm leaving this open thread to know the answer, if it occurs.
And also for others to vent, but we will maintain an acceptable level before they start fighting funboys because of companies.
AceofSpades25 said:
LOL... This guy's not a troll!
He's genuinely disappointed with his purchase and has every right to complain about it. If you WP7 sympathisers were honest with yourselves, you would recognise that there are currently plenty of problems with this platform, and disaffected users have every right to complain.
There's no point pretending the problems don't exist.. it's obvious they, perhaps you only ever read Microsoft blogs and listen to Channel 9. If you want a true indication about how many users are feeling, just read the Microsoft questions and answers forum.
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Agreed,
Unfortunately I have the feeling that most people here now refuse to see the obvious problems with this platform (no USB, no DivX, and so many others...)
Seems like there is no right to judge and criticize the OS.
We shall not become like the iPhone fanboys. Seriously.
I also think that WP7 is a truly disappointing experience as I don't like to be forced to use all these external MS services (Zune, Skydrive, Marketplace, etc...) that just make me waste my time.
And I expect nothing from the so-called January update.
I love threads like this. Keep em coming lol jk. But man the pole jockers in here have fits when anyone say something about wp7. I dont know what everyones country rules are. But mine is freedom of speech. So if the dont like what the guy or troll have to say, dont feed him. Case Closed.
To the OP, I suggest you spill your mind on these boards http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads
At least it gets some exposure for Microsoft.
lqaddict said:
To the OP, I suggest you spill your mind on these boards http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowsphone7/threads
At least it gets some exposure for Microsoft.
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Good tip, if OP find interesting; closure here, and this link is for future users to enjoy!
Thanks!
Ok like many of you I have been with microsoft for quite a bit. My first windows phone was the PDA2K, if you dont know what that is, then you havent been here long enough. I have 2 questions:
1. When Android and IOS came out I would argue with my friends about how customizable windows was and how we had things like wifi router, flash and multitasking for quite a while. While I know WP7 is at its infancy and will continue to grow. When I get my DVP I am going to get attacked with my own words. Please someone give me some ammunition about why stability is so important to me now. Because they are waiting for me!!
2. My real question is about WP7 and facebook. I see that it is very much integrated with facebook and that seems to be a selling point. But I do not use face at all, in fact the integration with facebook scares me, because I feel like there will be gaps and holes if I dont use facebook ( greyed out options and such). I use microsoft exchange heavily but dont use facebook at all. ANybody else in my boat, is windows phone 7 worth getting without facebook. Because lets face it, us old school rom flashing guys who know what a registry is are much closer to android then we are to WP7.
But WP7 just seems cool, but is it still cool without facebook.
MarcValme said:
Ok like many of you I have been with microsoft for quite a bit. My first windows phone was the PDA2K, if you dont know what that is, then you havent been here long enough. I have 2 questions:
1. When Android and IOS came out I would argue with my friends about how customizable windows was and how we had things like wifi router, flash and multitasking for quite a while. While I know WP7 is at its infancy and will continue to grow. When I get my DVP I am going to get attacked with my own words. Please someone give me some ammunition about why stability is so important to me now. Because they are waiting for me!!
2. My real question is about WP7 and facebook. I see that it is very much integrated with facebook and that seems to be a selling point. But I do not use face at all, in fact the integration with facebook scares me, because I feel like there will be gaps and holes if I dont use facebook ( greyed out options and such). I use microsoft exchange heavily but dont use facebook at all. ANybody else in my boat, is windows phone 7 worth getting without facebook. Because lets face it, us old school rom flashing guys who know what a registry is are much closer to android then we are to WP7.
But WP7 just seems cool, but is it still cool without facebook.
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just because facebook is integrated doesn't mean it's taken over the phone. That would be like asking if the phone wouldn't work if you didn't listen to zune.
Facebook is involved in the people hub (along with other contacts), but it's not the only thing there. Same thing with the me hub, you have 2 choices of where to post updates, facebook or wlm.
You'll like the phone, trust me. Not having to fix a phone out of the box has been a new and welcome experience for me.
But if you have to tweak, then android is probably your best bet.
I used WP7 today without integrating my facebook for half the day without noticing. It doesn't restrict anything except the ability to upload photos to facebook after you've taken them and look at the "what's new" feeds in people and photos. I doubt you'd notice it if you chose not to use them
agreed with above, it in no way is forced upon you and merely just enables you to centralise your data if you'd like. now is MS worked with the other socialites like twitter and four square... and had them at the same level of integration... it'd be over . but yea in saying all this, it's an option, not a requirement.
ammo... finger friendly... smarter/minimalistic UI (all my iPhone friends love how it looks and feels and just works), start screen (vs a sea of app icons or widgets you have to try and find the best for), people hub (with facebook integration as optional), photos (with dedicated camera button), office + sharepoint (smashes anything iPhone/Android offer), and xbox (game center has nothing on the xbox platform).
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agreed with above, it in no way is forced upon you and merely just enables you to centralise your data if you'd like. now is MS worked with the other socialites like twitter and four square... and had them at the same level of integration... it'd be over . but yea in saying all this, it's an option, not a requirement.
ammo... finger friendly... smarter/minimalistic UI (all my iPhone friends love how it looks and feels and just works), start screen (vs a sea of app icons or widgets you have to try and find the best for), people hub (with facebook integration as optional), photos (with dedicated camera button), office + sharepoint (smashes anything iPhone/Android offer), and xbox (game center has nothing on the xbox platform).
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I would leave office + sharepoint (smashes anything iPhone/Android offer) out, office experience on wp7 is laughable
If you don't have a fb account, then you are in good shape. If you have one, you can always cancel the account. Facebook will not integrate if you DO NOT have facebook account.
MarcValme said:
Ok like many of you I have been with microsoft for quite a bit. My first windows phone was the PDA2K, if you dont know what that is, then you havent been here long enough. I have 2 questions:
1. When Android and IOS came out I would argue with my friends about how customizable windows was and how we had things like wifi router, flash and multitasking for quite a while. While I know WP7 is at its infancy and will continue to grow. When I get my DVP I am going to get attacked with my own words. Please someone give me some ammunition about why stability is so important to me now. Because they are waiting for me!!
2. My real question is about WP7 and facebook. I see that it is very much integrated with facebook and that seems to be a selling point. But I do not use face at all, in fact the integration with facebook scares me, because I feel like there will be gaps and holes if I dont use facebook ( greyed out options and such). I use microsoft exchange heavily but dont use facebook at all. ANybody else in my boat, is windows phone 7 worth getting without facebook. Because lets face it, us old school rom flashing guys who know what a registry is are much closer to android then we are to WP7.
But WP7 just seems cool, but is it still cool without facebook.
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Yes it is!!!!! It's rather limitations which can question it's usability.
Hi,
I've only just found the official feature suggestion website, it amazes me that so few people have been shouting for the same three things I want to see:
As it's a bit of a search/tag based site, I'm going to link to the three features I thinking EVERYONE should jump on and vote for, and hopefully they'll get some weight behind them:
1. Allow Zune to Analyse WP7 "Space reserved by other devices"
2. Drag and Drop files
3. Device backup
the last one's already got big support, so please spare 3 votes for each of the first two, and ask your friends to do likewise if they agree...
I've linked to these 3, as hopefully this might avoid repeated feature requests for the same thing, and all votes can be concentrated in one place. As people vote, these suggestions will rise to the top of "most recently voted on", and consequently snowball and gather more votes.
The homepage for the feature request forum is here, should you want to request anything else:
Feature requests
If this was a sticky, I might have known about this earlier
I've never experienced that first one; what's the issue?
Device backup would be great. But I think I'd rather see some type of notification center; if you miss a third party app toast notification there's no easy way of knowing which app it was. Also, skype integration would be nice, assuming they integrate skype messaging as a bbm alternative.
Are you kidding, OP?
I've never heard of this "space reserved" issue. I've got a couple movies, tons of songs, tons of videos, tons of apps, and still have 5gb free.
This obsession with drag and drop is reaching critical mass of annoyance. I mean, how hard is it to open up the Zune software?
And device backup? Is that a joke? You can do that any time you want. In the Zune software.
My goodness man. If you're gonna troll this forum please bring your A game.
I actually think it's a good idea to link to that list and make people aware of this.
sure haven't. He sure hasn't acted like a troll. I do not understand why you have to attack him for something he'd like to share. Ok, if you don't like it, but don't make it personal. The "joke" is shared by at least over 1000 other people on the feedback page btw (>4000 votes). If you want to take this to the next level why don't you convince those that it's a joke?
Can you please tell me how you backup everything on your device (apps, app settings, os and media) via the Zune Client?
Not knowing or trying to understand what somebody is saying and then acting like that person is a fool - that is trolling to me.
keep it civil
Troll? Maybe google a bit first, follow the links, or at least research before you throw that out there
Point 1.: If you've not come across the "reserved space" issue then, then I doubt you've ever hooked your WP7 up to several PCs, as it will happen sooner or later if you do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104921
The above is my first post on the issue. I had no idea how bad it was going to get from there. In trying to fix the issue by changing sync setting on the 2 PCs I'd used, nearly all of my device is now taken up with "reserved Space".
There are LOTS of posts all over the internet with users having the same issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=904321
http://blog.spencen.com/2011/04/05/windows-phone-lsquoreserved-spacersquo.aspx
http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-7-os-discussion/178895.htm
http://makingwindowseasy.com/2010/03/02/zune-reserved-space/
there are many more, including a massive page on Zuneinsider trying to decipher it:
http://zuneinsider.com/?s=reserved+space
Basically, my WP7 now shows currently as having 200 MB free, with virtually the whole phone taken up by reserve space.
If I "delete all content" from both PCs I've used, this leaves me with between 6GB and 7GB still used in reserved space, and I've certainly not used that with Apps and email (and i don't use GMaps). For a day after Mango update I actually had 13GB reserved space, not bad for a phone with only 8GB
Currently, the only way to sort this is a factory reset. But because the Windows Phone website doesn't work for me, I can't even check to see which Apps are in my history and whether I'd have to manually reinstall them all along with resetting everything else.
So.. brings us to Point 2. Drag and Drop. I hate Zune. I do not want it to sync anything for me automatically anymore. I also want to drag media from a PC without Zune installed, or running Linux, or a Mac. Not too much to ask.
Point 3. Well, point 1 wouldn't be such a major issue if Point 3 existed. If WP6.5 can have a simple backup (even if 3rd party), then why can't Wp7? And choose which to backup from contacts, email, and apps at will.
A simple image backup is going to backup the same issue I'm trying to get rid of.
Hope I'm not trolling too hard here...
i like to have a livetile with a clock like the htc sense
Livetile with a clock
@boma23
Good luck, just remember on this forum talking about WP7 problems = troll
Drag & Drop would be great, this automatic sync drives me nuts too.
It was getting dark in the cave, so I came back to add this one:
Make Windows Phone a 1st class citizen in Windows
Rather ambiguously titled, but this one combines a few of my suggestions, and also already has quite a lot of support and is appearing on the front page of the forum anyway. Please add 3 votes
I think I have a few
* Add Support For Gtalk, mxit, and Nimbuz in the messaging hub. Believe it or not, but these are leading chat networks in both India and Africa by both Businesses and individuals.
* Add Support for Other Bluetooth devices. I want to be able to receive VCard Contacts from other phones as well as send them. If my PC can connect to other phones then why not my WP7??? Its anoying!!!
* Add Dedicated storage area to be used as FLASH Storage, so i can transfer files between PCs that do not have Zune
* Lastly Can someone do some thing about this interface??? the start menu idea is good and by all means should be carried forward. But I want to be able to customize it more say may be have 5 columns of icons. The menu should have a back ground etc. The back ground could be my wall paper, so i don't have to lock my phone to see how cool my wall paper looks.
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Troll? Maybe google a bit first, follow the links, or at least research before you throw that out there
Point 1.: If you've not come across the "reserved space" issue then, then I doubt you've ever hooked your WP7 up to several PCs, as it will happen sooner or later if you do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104921
The above is my first post on the issue. I had no idea how bad it was going to get from there. In trying to fix the issue by changing sync setting on the 2 PCs I'd used, nearly all of my device is now taken up with "reserved Space".
There are LOTS of posts all over the internet with users having the same issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=904321
http://blog.spencen.com/2011/04/05/windows-phone-lsquoreserved-spacersquo.aspx
http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-7-os-discussion/178895.htm
http://makingwindowseasy.com/2010/03/02/zune-reserved-space/
there are many more, including a massive page on Zuneinsider trying to decipher it:
http://zuneinsider.com/?s=reserved+space
Basically, my WP7 now shows currently as having 200 MB free, with virtually the whole phone taken up by reserve space.
If I "delete all content" from both PCs I've used, this leaves me with between 6GB and 7GB still used in reserved space, and I've certainly not used that with Apps and email (and i don't use GMaps). For a day after Mango update I actually had 13GB reserved space, not bad for a phone with only 8GB
Currently, the only way to sort this is a factory reset. But because the Windows Phone website doesn't work for me, I can't even check to see which Apps are in my history and whether I'd have to manually reinstall them all along with resetting everything else.
So.. brings us to Point 2. Drag and Drop. I hate Zune. I do not want it to sync anything for me automatically anymore. I also want to drag media from a PC without Zune installed, or running Linux, or a Mac. Not too much to ask.
Point 3. Well, point 1 wouldn't be such a major issue if Point 3 existed. If WP6.5 can have a simple backup (even if 3rd party), then why can't Wp7? And choose which to backup from contacts, email, and apps at will.
A simple image backup is going to backup the same issue I'm trying to get rid of.
Hope I'm not trolling too hard here...
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boma23, you should kno better than to plug your device into multiple PCs, let alone sync with them. The WP7 is designed to be a hand held version of your PC, and since every PC is different (System Locale, Time Zone, Registry, Zune Settings, etc) there is bound to be a problem. Though luck for you will have to reset your device. So never do it again there after.
File Backup and Drag-n-Drop would be cool indeed
I expected smart /T9 dialer to be a popular request, but it has less than 100 votes (across different requests). I guess an app can fix this, but when WM had it as an OS feature, I don't understand why WP team thought it was unnecessary.
USB outlook sync, without cloud/exchange etc, is my biggest wish. seems there is some interest for that feature.
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boma23, you should kno better than to plug your device into multiple PCs, let alone sync with them. The WP7 is designed to be a hand held version of your PC, and since every PC is different (System Locale, Time Zone, Registry, Zune Settings, etc) there is bound to be a problem. Though luck for you will have to reset your device. So never do it again there after.
File Backup and Drag-n-Drop would be cool indeed
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That is utter crap! Why should he know better? What about people with multiple PC's? Say a desktop, laptop and possibly a work laptop too. Why should we only be able to use our phone with one PC? I plug my htc 7 pro into both my PC and laptop but luckily I havn't came across this problem yet. But I have seen many posts about it and Microsoft need to fix the issue.
A way to copy music, pics and video to the device without Zune would be great. Some of my music is hard to find in Zune. But it would be much better to allow WMP to sync with the device. Then I could just drag a music folder over to it and sync that way. Exactly the same way as I used to with Windows Mobile.
Apart from the lack of bluetooth file transfer, and even thats not a biggy for me. I very pleased with WP7.5 even more so now my 7 Pro has wi-fi tethering
A battery percentage tile would be awesome imo
scoobysnacks said:
A battery percentage tile would be awesome imo
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Check this out if you like the idea of a battery tile:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328730
Multiple text message selection like you can with the email. Landscape support for homescreen and throughout OS. Led notification a standard on all devices. Forward button in browser, better yet a better laid out browser. One button access to dialer keypad instead of two. Should be able to access a mini menu when u press the drop down notification for the sig al bar WiFi and battery to have quick access to toggle or more info. That's just a few. I know it's more but that's off the dome
Sent from my Venue Pro using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
I'm guessing the "know better than syncing across multiple devices" thing was sarcasm
I've just thought of another - we need the keybpard API releasing so we can use SWYPE again in WM... I think I miss that app more than anything else since 7 came out