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Threaded SMS is great. I've been using the Palm threaded SMS app for months and would never dream of going back to non-threaded SMS. However, the other day I installed PocketCM contact manager and have been playing with it. It includes a threaded SMS feature, and I like it. I'm thinking about abandoning the palm app. However, there's positives and negatives of both.
This is a poll, so if you have experience with them both, please pick which SMS option you prefer. I also have a specific question which I'll ask at the end of this post, after talking about each of the threaded options I've mentioned here.
Palm Threaded SMS app:
Here's one of a few good threads on it.
Positives:
1. Works well and does everything you'd want it to do, including MMS
2. Backing up of your SMS messages is simple. Just backup the PalmMsgV001 file under the windows directory; it contains all messages.
Negatives:
1. Text input methods other than a hardware keyboard cover up what you're writing, so you have to write blind if you use the onscreen keyboard, transcriber, etc.
2. Some people claim problems with multiple messages being sent, but it seems that this is fixable by not closing the app just after sending a message (just minimize it.)
3. On one ROM I had a problem with missing messages sometimes, but this was fixed by always keeping the app running.
PocketCM:
This is the maker's website for this app, and here is a thread with a screenshot of the threaded sms using PocketCM (it's the one 3 over and 2 down with the yellow and blue text bubbles.)
This app does not replace the main SMS app. It works separately and functions mainly as a display for the SMS and allows you to compose new ones, also. The actual messages are stored in the same fashion and place as they are before this app is installed, and the original SMS app is still present and useable.
Positives:
1. It's a free bonus if you love the app for the main contact managing feature, and plan on keeping it around regardless of it's sms uses.
2. It works.
3. On-screen text entry methods do not cover up what you're trying to write.
Negatives:
1. I don't think it does MMS
2. It doesn't seem to play well with the Palm threaded app. I have the palm app installed on my hermes and with PocketCM running, if I compose a message in PocketCM and send it, it'll show up under pocketCM, but the palm app doesn't pick up on it. So Palm doesn't show it. Then when I get a response, PocketCM gets the new message notification and does it's thing, bringing that contact to the top of the contact list and displaying a message, but the palm app intercepts the actual message, so there's nothing displayed in PocketCM and it takes a soft reset to make it realize that there's not a new message waiting for you to read it (after you read it with the palm app.)
My question:
If I abandon the palm app and opt for using PocketCM, how can I back up my messages other than with some program like Jeyo mobile extender? In other words, where are the messages actually stored? It irks me to no end to have to use a whole separate program to back up SMS messages, when it's so easy to do with the palm app. I want to be able to simply manually copy a file to my storage card periodically, as I do with PalmMsgV001.
I use the built in deal and PocketCM. When I want to back up my SMS convos, I just use PIM backup. Actually, I use PIM backup about once a month to make sure I have a working backup of all my info.
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Negatives:
2. It doesn't seem to play well with the Palm threaded app. I have the palm app installed on my hermes and with PocketCM running, if I compose a message in PocketCM and send it, it'll show up under pocketCM, but the palm app doesn't pick up on it. So Palm doesn't show it. Then when I get a response, PocketCM gets the new message notification and does it's thing, bringing that contact to the top of the contact list and displaying a message, but the palm app intercepts the actual message, so there's nothing displayed in PocketCM and it takes a soft reset to make it realize that there's not a new message waiting for you to read it (after you read it with the palm app.)
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If you're trying to decide between the two, and you settle on pocketcm, there's no need to keep the palm app installed, so the #2 negative point won't really matter.
w/o MMS !!!!
how can we compare if the MMS doesn't included!!
another sms threader
http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/SMS/SMS-Threader-22509.shtml
Looks promising!
True. I was hoping to keep the palm app installed, though, and have them work well together so that I'd still have all my messages stored in the one PalmMsgV001 file and I'd be able to use either.
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If you're trying to decide between the two, and you settle on pocketcm, there's no need to keep the palm app installed, so the #2 negative point won't really matter.
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I don't think Jeyo Mobile Extender works with the Palm app either, does it? (unless support was added in a more recent version)
The Palm app is the odd one out in that it doesn't use the standard SMS messaging file.
pocket cm is great but with latest relese has isues with the sms so it will hav to be palm for now
I'm using the palm right now. I just wish it looked cool like the iPhone...hah. The PocketCM one looks better, but I don't like the way you have to get to it...
I am shocked with pocket cm choices
Tried all sms app
Palm sms
Pocket cm
O2 sms plus
Txt man
SMS threader
I am sms freak, i have been trying all sort of sms programs.
Palm messaging ,nothing beats palm sms, for pure stability. its very simple and it does do what its suppose to do, and very user friendly. there is a wm6 version.
Pocket cm, i dont know why has this developer made this under developed sms feature in a difficult to use contact manager anyway, it very cool looking contact app, but tell me honestly, how many of u can really scroll to the right contact easily, compared to a dial pad input, hahaha. plus it doesnt even show the sms popup properly, i got fed up of it, it doesnt even have any option to customize.
Txt man, is very simple, but then it doesnt replace ur original sms app.hasnt been able to beat palm sms. the fonts are too big. but its still better then Pocket cm.
SMS threader, this could have given competition to palm version, but it some times gives error, to quit app(only sometimes). it has an email mesg function.
O2 sms plus, If we get the wm6 version things can change dramatically for all the sms app, this has the gr8 feature of scheduling an sms, and the receiving and sending vcard, which is not present in any sms app till now, we dont even have a vcard app for wm6. the wm5 version does install and run, but it doesnt thread,it can however receive vcard and send one too, it conflicts with palm mesg, and wont display ur incoming sms at all. it gives u an option to close the running inbox i.e inbuilt one. but still there is no guarantee that it will work everytime.
I hope some talented genius will extract a wm6 version of o2 smsplus from new xdas and let us test it out.
Result, palm mesg is the best for now
Thanks for reading, hope it help
It's not really fair to compare at this stage. I personally use PocketCM as it works very well for contacts and SMS and it can be customised and skinned quite extensively. However you have to remember that this is STILL a beta application and is improving all of the time through suggestions from users.
I'm currently using PocketCM.
I like Pocketcm for now, but would love palm threader if the virtual keyboard wouldn't cover wut you are typing.
pocketcm is a good program. Just tried it and I love it.
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http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/SMS/SMS-Threader-22509.shtml
Looks promising!
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I used this program for a while, until I came across the Palm SMS Threader. i had to stop using it because the app started to really lag if a long chat log was kept on my phone. Load time got longer and longer and the app would miss letters that I typed about the same time.
I like Pocket CM's interface, but would rather have it disable sms's in outlook. The Palm SMS Threader is awesome, but for some reason messages get stuck in the outbox and keep sending. I had to uninstall it because people were complaining too much... has that happend to anyone?
For me, PocketCM for sure.
I like the contact manager interface (very very cool) and it access sms data from same location, no need to worry abt converting again and again sms backup or lose them if u are not going to use it in the future.
am i on crack for not using pocketcm? it sucks for text messages..palm threader sms beats it in every category..and arent we in a hermes forum? why would u be using a virtual keyboard anyways?? and with pocketcm i cant even send a MMS which I do *alot*...heh
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am i on crack for not using pocketcm? it sucks for text messages..palm threader sms beats it in every category..and arent we in a hermes forum? why would u be using a virtual keyboard anyways?? and with pocketcm i cant even send a MMS which I do *alot*...heh
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The reality is if we could not use both PocketCM and Palm thread app. on the same PPC phone, I would select PocketCM, since it 's contact manager interface. Very convenient when u wanna call someone , need not to use stylus anymore. (so the thread sms function is a bonus)
Hm.. I installed the Palm SMS threader, and it works great, but now I don't get any sound when I get a new text message.. ?
Hello all,
I was wondering if there is an application to do this...
When I get sms messages, they are filed as individual massages, ie: not organized...
What I would like it to have them files under the sender.
Does this make sense? Is there a better way to store sms messages?
Not anything that you are asking for.. but you can try the SMS threader, which will make your SMS looks like IM chat screen (i.e. message per person). I think there is a IM SMS currently being develope. Do a search.
Yes there is. PocketCM - what is an iPhone like contact manager for wm - can do that. You can chose a view in the software when you can see all your contacts with messages. And the msgs are being displayed like chat "bubbles".
And i think you can answer the msgs too from the software. Pretty cool, check it out at pocketcm.com
I use Palm Threaded sms for that, I think is the better for that purpose.
And SMS Scheduler is freeware! I wonder why people don't use it more. Is a must for me. (I contacted the author and is aware of the date settings problem, he will make an update to fix it as soon as he got time)
look this: http://rjv-sms-scheduler.softonic.com/pocketpc
Hey there,
I just unpacked my T-Mobile USA Vibrant (modified Galaxy S). I love the phone, but as always, there are things that I think are missing. So I played around a little bit with it and one thing kept bothering me.
The phone integrates all my Facebook contacts, which is great. But I think it would be a slick feature if you could actually send them a message directly from the contact list. As of now, I have to go into a browser or use the FB app to send messages and I think it would be a lot more convenient to just go into the contact and send a message from there (like a text basically).
Does anybody now if there is an app or some piece of software that can help me out here? If not, do you even think it is possible to do it? I am not a developer, but I can imagine there are some issues, cause as far as I know Samsung didn't open there UI code for developers yet (or showed any intention of doing it).
So I am excited what you guys think of that and hope there is a solution somewhere out there
Phill
edit: I just saw there is a specific Vibrant forum. If the admins would like to put this post in the right place I would appreciate it. However, I think the issue is omnipresent among all versions of the SGS.
This would be a fantastic mod for contacts I would think I don't know why someone hasn't done this previously. I think if we get the guy doing the standard froyo / eclair dialler / contacts mod to do this it will be extremely innovative.
Contacts -> Groups -> Facebook -> menu -> Send message -> Choose recipient
Wow, long path... Should work though.
hey yea that works. but it is kind of a long way dont you think? Thanks anyway, it got me one step closer What I think would be a tremendous improve is to add the fb msg feature directly to the first contact screen. You know, when you slide left on a contact for texting and right for calling. If there is no number available but a fb contact it should automatically go to the fb messaging.
I have searched many forums and the market to no avail so I was hoping someone here could help.
Is there any way we, android users, can get a function similar to iOS4 users with their "group mms" option. To those of you not familiar, its basically a chat room like feature that uses your text messages. For example, if I were to create a new text on the iphone, I could add more people to it. Once it's sent out, if anyone replies, that reply will go to all of those in the group and so forth. In essence, a chat room is created where everyone receives a copy of everyone else's text.
At any rate, a few of my friends have iphones and I was hoping to be able to communicate with them in such a manner but neither the stock messaging application or handcent has this function. The few options that might work would involve having all of my friends download some new app along with myself and even that doesn't work all the time.
ANY help would be much appreciated.
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this would be helpful for me also as i communicate with multiple people. As of right now i just email stuff out to them so we can all see the replies. To have this on text would be awsome.
I would also like to setup groups so i can just select 1 group to text. I had this on my treo pro and it disappeared when i went to these new smart phones.
As far as I know, there is no such feature currently available without the use of third-party applications (that use data to do it).
Sorry
Maybe someone will build that feature eventually lol
The iPhone's ability to 'group chat' is just Apple being smart about the fact that MMS message details contain all recipients. They simply made their SMS app able to receive all the recipients and reply to all as a group.
An Android app like Go SMS or HandCent (or Google's stock app) could easily be modified to work just like this, if someone would do it.
dcdttu said:
The iPhone's ability to 'group chat' is just Apple being smart about the fact that MMS message details contain all recipients. They simply made their SMS app able to receive all the recipients and reply to all as a group.
An Android app like Go SMS or HandCent (or Google's stock app) could easily be modified to work just like this, if someone would do it.
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I wish someone would do it already, I felt pretty stupid the other day when I was in a group text with a couple people with iPhones and didn't know it.
App in the market called groupme works perfect even though this thread is super old lol.
dirkyd3rk said:
App in the market called groupme works perfect even though this thread is super old lol.
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lol last reply was may 25th, i swear that was last week! just playing but group me didn't work. It's all good, I'm hoping Android implements a feature like this soon...
stryker707 said:
I have searched many forums and the market to no avail so I was hoping someone here could help.
Is there any way we, android users, can get a function similar to iOS4 users with their "group mms" option. To those of you not familiar, its basically a chat room like feature that uses your text messages. For example, if I were to create a new text on the iphone, I could add more people to it. Once it's sent out, if anyone replies, that reply will go to all of those in the group and so forth. In essence, a chat room is created where everyone receives a copy of everyone else's text.
At any rate, a few of my friends have iphones and I was hoping to be able to communicate with them in such a manner but neither the stock messaging application or handcent has this function. The few options that might work would involve having all of my friends download some new app along with myself and even that doesn't work all the time.
ANY help would be much appreciated.
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Have you tried GO Sms Pro it has what you are looking for built in. Gave that a Try
I've been using GOsms pro for a while and i don't see this feature listed anywhere. Where is it?
I've have also been looking for this feature. The sad part is that it was possible on my old blackjack 2. All of the messaging apps that I have used so far including go sms and handcent only allow you to send texts to more than one person in one conversation, but when they reply, it goes back to being separated. Group chat should be implemented in android like it is on the iPhone.
djuniah said:
I've been using GOsms pro for a while and i don't see this feature listed anywhere. Where is it?
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bump for this.
I woke up this morning to a group chat with 3x iPhone 4S users and I had to reply to each of them individually.
I use go SMS also...
I think you have to be the one to start the group chat, just start a new text message and put in all the numbers/names u wanna text, hit send. it'll automatically group them together in 1 text
bump this i have the same deal , a bunch of friends have iphones...
The sidekick 4g has this feature built in. My friend group chats with me and other friends all the time. To tell u the truth it gets annoying having so many texts at the same time lol
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Any one have solutions for this? A lot of my friends use this on iPhone and its annoying not to participate. So I'll get a text and if I respond it only goes back to the originator, while I then get what look like individual texts from others that are clearly responding and going to everyone, and I'm assuming my responses would only just go back to the original writer. Even if I could just see everyone included and then include them manually I'd be ok.
Does anyone have any suggestions? I also have this problem, and its really annoying me. For me group texts are split into each persons single sms thread, when I would like them to be grouped. Do any of the devs think that they could come up with a solution? Honestly, I would be willing to pay to get this solved
I currently have a thunderbolt and it has SOAB rom from BAMF. With this rom I can see the people on the group list. However, when i was on a different rom I would only see the sender. Since now I can see the the group, I can respond in the thread and join the chats and not be left out. the way I did it was to respond to thread in an mms format. If you guys notice, the iphone group comes in as an mms. So my question to you guys, do you see all the people on the list when you receive that message? If so try replying in a mms format. You can do that by putting a dot in the subject line and it'll convert it to mms. The only annoying part about it is yo have to manually be converting a mms message all the time. If you dont, the sms message will go to them in a seperate thread. I tried to find an app that give you the option to chose a message wheither mms or sms without adding a subject line. The only app i found was verzion messages app which auto converts group messages into mms. However, the app doesnt work all the time. I hope it works for you guys cuz I am really happy now since I dont feel left
Mine does that, although to reply to all u have to long press and select reply to all, which I think is better the iPhone does it automatically,
On sense 3.0 messaging, but sense 1 allowed for group Txts to be sent, so I imagine it had a reply all as well
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Is anyone else disatisified with the sms app on our wp7? There's no contact photo of who you're talking too, the conversation does indicate who said what, such as my name isnt on one side and the other persons isn't either, just the contact name in big ol huge font at the top. I wish a developer would create a more feature rich sms app that shows contact photo facebook and twitter status updates and more copy and paste access such as copy and pasting entire strings of conversation that include the date and time. and last but not least
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE improve the mms application, it is so lacking does not play video nor gifs and whenever a funny ha ha mms with music is recieved it plays the music file first then shows you the image, its just awful
The sms client is bad and halfway done (no video support). we know that already... Yes they need to fix this issue... its a pita yo communicate with no decent I'm and half an mms client.
But you could have searched and bumped one of the other ten threads.
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Gateau Noël said:
Is anyone else disatisified with the sms app on our wp7? There's no contact photo of who you're talking too, the conversation does indicate who said what, such as my name isnt on one side and the other persons isn't either, just the contact name in big ol huge font at the top. I wish a developer would create a more feature rich sms app that shows contact photo facebook and twitter status updates and more copy and paste access such as copy and pasting entire strings of conversation that include the date and time. and last but not least
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE improve the mms application, it is so lacking does not play video nor gifs and whenever a funny ha ha mms with music is recieved it plays the music file first then shows you the image, its just awful
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To the OP,be careful mate,M$ fan boys are watching you.your thread title might hurt their fragile heart.Then,they will start trolling and ask you do more researches before you buy a phone.
Anyway,i'm not a M$ fanboy,same here,wish they can add in more features to the stock sms app.
I wonder why there are homebrew sms apps for iOS such as bite sms&ireal sms,but why not this happen in WP7???weird....
cheers mate.just wait until fall,then your question might be answered or maybe...lets hope or just sell the device.
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To the OP,be careful mate,M$ fan boys are watching you.your thread title might hurt their fragile heart.Then,they will start trolling and ask you do more researches before you buy a phone.
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sylau90 said:
I wonder why there are homebrew sms apps for iOS such as bite sms&ireal sms,but why not this happen in WP7???weird....
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I'd imagine because the API's are not yet available for Developers, like many others...
Gateau Noël said:
Is anyone else disatisified with the sms app on our wp7? There's no contact photo of who you're talking too, the conversation does indicate who said what, such as my name isnt on one side and the other persons isn't either, just the contact name in big ol huge font at the top. I wish a developer would create a more feature rich sms app that shows contact photo facebook and twitter status updates and more copy and paste access such as copy and pasting entire strings of conversation that include the date and time. and last but not least
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE improve the mms application, it is so lacking does not play video nor gifs and whenever a funny ha ha mms with music is recieved it plays the music file first then shows you the image, its just awful
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I don't think there's anything inherently bad about the SMS app. I know who said what because there are only two people in the conversation, and I know what i've said Plus my texts are on the right and the others are on the left. Easy.
What you are listing aren't features, those are design considerations which don't suit your tastes. They suit mine. It's impossible to appease everyone.
BUT, this all boils down to the lack of APIs. If we had these APIs, someone would make an SMS client that you do like. If Microsoft keep going this way, they are going to realise that people won't sit around and wait forever for Microsoft to update. It is much easier to let the community do the work!
Now the MMS, from what I have read that does suck. I wouldn't know because I have an unbranded device and therefore am not allowed to enter my MMS settings...apparently.
i guess an improvement that can be made to the sms client would be to differentiate the sender and receiver by colours, as well as the left/right orientation.
Let me say this, I don't want to hurt or upset anyone's feelings on here, I'm pro Microsoft love all things from Redmond, I am a wp7 cheerleader!
I feel bad that I didn't look to see if any other threads had been started regarding the sams subject. My apologies.
I thank everyone for their opinions and input, it gives me a better understanding of why things are the way they are if that makes any sense.
With all the additional features coming to the mango update, I only hope that SMS client gets in on the juicy goodness
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The call history, dosent show call duration, which is my biggest disappointment after ****ty battery..
I like the simplicity of the SMS app, true it would be nice to add video, but its elegant.
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To the OP: ah, I see you've never used windows mobile. You don't know what a horrid anything is.
ROARRRR I want my phone to fly a plane and do somersaults!!!!
The Windows Mobile SMS client was threaded and similar to the Blackberry SMS client, which is not a bad thing. It also supports full SMS Backup and Restore via Microsoft MyPhone (including MMS, IIRC). It was decent on a well-spec'd QWERTY device or a decently modded capacitive touchscreen device with the right OEM modifications. It is more than usable on the HD2, but its hardware support does stifle the Snapdragon SoC and Camera (Which is capable of HD Recording, IIRC).
The only thing I feel bad about with so many other Windows Mobile device users is that they had such crappy devices (WM minimum specs were so low, that you ended up with OEMs putting up ridiculously bad devices devoid of RAM/Storage and processing post). That never helped it...
@ OP if you don't know who's saying what in an SMS conversation then I dunno what to say. The chat bubbles are descriptive enough to let you know where stuff is coming from quite obviously, and that bubble type is used in almost every type of smartphone.
MS can make any improvement they want. I am happy with what i am having right now... Since i don't text much and the only thing i need is something that i could send and receive messege. I bought the whole new phone not for texting only.
Correct, but a dumb phone is a whole phone and they're cheaper to buy and service than a smartphone...
The issue for some users is that there aren't many good IM apps (if any) on the platform at the moment so you're really relient on SMS and email for textual communications (SMS is superior to email due to the fact that it's pushed irregardless of what type of phone the person has - feature phone IM clients often use encoded MMS). So, it makes issues with that particular application a bit more apparent.
Not that I think they are issues. I think it's kind of hard to not know who's saying what in the SMS client because the chat bubbles are clearly pointing in the correct directions. However, the lack of Voice/Video MMS does leave a functional black hole that even SMS clients on the platform do not fill.
The SMS client has issues, but those issues have nothing to do with the chat bubbles.
P.S. Tons of people who buy smartphones actually use the data connection more than they use it as a phone.