if i accidently brick my phone some how, can it be repaired? would HTC know for sure what went wrong then void the warrenty? would they just reflash it?
trying to judge the risks of rooting a phone (once available of course) over keeping it standard and not messing with factory setup
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Will I void my warranty by rooting my phone?
If so are there ways to enhance the phone without voiding the warranty? Like any custom roms that don't require the phone to be rooted?
To flash a ROM you need root. Root voids warranty. You can always revert as if you "never rooted" in case you need to take your phone in.
THere is no way they can void your warranty over the air? If not it sounds like my only danger is bricking the phone.
Not exactly sure what you mean by that; like if you root they somehow can tell "wirelessly" that you have, thus voiding. Not that I have heard. There was something like that with the iPhone I believe hearing, maybe not though. Or something they were working on, meaning not released.
And in terms of bricking your phone, that is supposed to be incredibly hard. Am sure someone has done it somewhere but you should be fine.
People say it again and again but it's worth repeating; read read read and read again. Then proceed.
Thnx for the replies.
I'm asking on behalf of a friend of mine who doesnt actually have a computer so he cant post here himself to ask. I'm a vibrant/N1/G1 user myself, so i'm familiar with the aspects here: he has a slide, has the split-screen/ribbon problem on opening/closing the keyboard. He managed to get a warranty replacement from TMO, but he's super paranoid about having to pay the damages fee because he has CM loaded on it instead of the stock firmware.
Bottom line, he wants to brick it just to be sure before he sends it back (he already has the replacement phone). What is the simplest way (that I could explain to him over the phone) to hard brick the phone?
Quick and dirty is all I really need to help him get the job done, all help much appreciated!
If he can brick it, then he can flash the factory ROM that is available to bring it back to unrooted stated. Why not just do that?
-sigh- I guess he can just try to follow the S-OFF instructions to where it says not 2 power off, take out battery- disconnect phone... do the oppsite of what it says not to do? Just saying though... why not just do what Fermunky said?
fermunky said:
If he can brick it, then he can flash the factory ROM that is available to bring it back to unrooted stated. Why not just do that?
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CaliBoyPhillip said:
Just saying though... why not just do what Fermunky said?
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Problem is that he lives in virginia and I live in colorado. I rooted and customized his phone when I was out there visiting because he's completely inept at this kind of stuff, so I was just looking for a simpler solution than to try and walk him through a reflash over the phone. Plus, apparently what he told the TMO reps was that he got an OTA update and it bricked him, which is the only way (he said) that they'd do a warranty exchange.
Well, I guess your short answer is No, there is no "quick" way. Whether you try to brick it or not, either way will require some attempt at flashing "something", but to just do it in a completely wrong way. Maybe by connecting to a PC and using clever ADB/Shell commands could also do it, but not entirely sure.
Couldn't you flash the radio for say, a Droid X or any CDMA radio?
I know you can brick CDMA phones by flashing GSM radios.
And yay Colorado ;D
I'm going to have to close this as it's discussing warranty fraud.
Yes yes, tampering with the hardware of a device voids the warranty. But does it actually make a difference? Cant you just unroot your device, and send it back into the store for a brand new one (if something breaks, etc etc)? I feel kind of stupid asking this question but i honestly dont understand the difference between the two. Answer please?
Depends, I'm not sure if you can unroot the Evo. My Moment I could unroot. If the phone doesn't start up, then you're okay.
The first Evo (rooted) I bought fell in the toilet, the right side of the screen stopped working, all I did was uninstall Superuser and any rooted apps via ADB and they never suspected a thing.
You could still boot into recovery though but they never tried I guess
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Yes yes, tampering with the hardware of a device voids the warranty. But does it actually make a difference? Cant you just unroot your device, and send it back into the store for a brand new one (if something breaks, etc etc)? I feel kind of stupid asking this question but i honestly dont understand the difference between the two. Answer please?
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Yes, you can just Unroot but just make sure to flash the S-ON zip first. They are big to say it voids your warranty, but I don't think they really go through phones all that much to check for evidence of rooting. But, don't take advantage of this being an option. It gets old seeing all the people on here who brick their phones because they don't know what they are doing then just returning it for replacement because they didn't read something closely enough. These antics only hurt all of us in the end, just more excuses for Sprint to jack it to us on insurance etc.
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Nah its not me with the problems, my phone is perfectly fine. I was just wondering because one of my friends wants me to root their phone and such, but they're kind of hesitant because of the whole waranty being voided thing. With the S-On zip though, this unroots the enitre phone back to stock? I forgot to mention this before but the phone that would possibly need unrooting is an Evo purchased a couple weeks ago.
The if you used unrevoked, the s-on tool sets your nand security back to s-on, and then running a ruu with reflash all stock software. Doing these two things will completely unroot you and make the phone eligible for warranty stuff.
Got it. Thanks a bunch.
yea when we root its all software crap and so with software its easily taken on and off just gotta know what your doing. As for as hardware mods if you take your phone apart that voids the warranty .
Apologies if this has been covered before- searched a couple of times with no joy...
Waiting for delivery of my Defy and still not sure what mods to do...Having read about a lot of UK models having the dreaded ear-piece fault, I'm just wondering:
1. what I can do that can be undone if my phone develops this fault?
i.e. Is it possible to root the phone, remove some of the Motoblur bloatware, overclock and scale, and still be able to return it to it's original state if the earpiece goes? (or at least make any mods undetectable!)
2. From what I've read it is possible to skip the Motoblur registration. Would I still be able to use the phone portal- what apps require the Motoblur registration?
Basically I'd love to tweak the phone but am paranoid about voiding the waranty!
Thanks in advance!
Once you are rooted and have recovery installed backup your system before doing anything else. If something happens restore the backup and unroot. Only problem might be if you have some type of hardware issue and can no longer boot the phone.
There is always risk, but that will help.
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Once you are rooted and have recovery installed backup your system before doing anything else. If something happens restore the backup and unroot. Only problem might be if you have some type of hardware issue and can no longer boot the phone.
There is always risk, but that will help.
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Thanks. Is it the case that you can mod the phone any way you like as long as you backup, restore and unroot before returning the phone for any possible warranty claim? Would a Mototola tech be able to tell that the phone had been modded and then reset to it's original state? Just wondering if I'd be better to wait a couple of months for any possible fault to appear...Thanks again.
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...am paranoid about voiding the waranty!
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If that's your primary concern, tweaking isn't really an option.
As soon as you start fiddling with the software, you technically void your warranty.
That said, most fiddling can be undone and if the phone were to end up in a state that you couldn't boot it to fix your fiddling, there's a fairly good chance that the engineers wouldn't be able to boot it to discover what you've done.
Not to mention, from past personal experience, a lot of front-line engineers that actually deal with faulty handsets that are sent away for repair don't really care or may not be bright enough to be able to tell that you've messed with your phone.
Thanks. Think I'll go ahead and mod it. Been reading the relevent posts/stickies and from what I can see as long as I'm carefull and follow the various steps closely and in order, I'll be unlucky to brick it. Think I'd get pissed off waiting several months for any fault to show- just wary of the earpiece going and then being told I'm screwed coz I've played with the software! Thanks again.
Hi everyone! Here is the thing that is bothering me. I bought my phone month and a half ago. I recently unlocked bootloader, installed CWM, rooted it, changed kernel to Titanium KISS and overclocked it, while running stock rom. I have worries because many users reported that their phones suddenly died in 2 months period from purchase. What to do if that happens? I guess that my cell operator wont accept warranty if I give them unlocked and rooted phone back. What is your suggestion?
empyting ur pockets if system partition isnt burned up
I'm thinking to put it all back to stock and wait for another month to see how the phone will behave. :/
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I'm thinking to put it all back to stock and wait for another month to see how the phone will behave. :/
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If the phone is rooted (BL unlocked) the warranty is void as is.
If you get the QHUSB (dead) mode, and cannot resurrect the phone via the tool, it is quite possible, that you can claim warranty, given that even the manufacturer cannot read back anything from the phone.
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If you get the QHUSB (dead) mode, and cannot resurrect the phone via the tool, it is quite possible, that you can claim warranty, given that even the manufacturer cannot read back anything from the phone.
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You mean like if it's completely dead and I can't access to fastboot or anything they can't see what I did with the phone? So do you suggest that I go back to stock and wait for a little while or leave it like this?
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empyting ur pockets if system partition isnt burned up
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How do they charge you dude??
5000 :'( whole mobo needs to be replaced
If your phone ends up going completely dead (QHSUSB_DLOAD mode, unable to get out of it), chances are your operator might not be able to tell you've done anything to it.
For example, I either ended up bricking my first One V due to overclocking way too high, or it had a faulty memory chip, and got the QHSUSB_DLOAD mode. I sent it back to my operator, and they said they were "unable to fix it" and sent me a replacement, so I'm assuming they couldn't tell I had rooted/unlocked/installed a kernel.
Some QHSUSB_DLOADs are recoverable though, so be careful.
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You mean like if it's completely dead and I can't access to fastboot or anything they can't see what I did with the phone? So do you suggest that I go back to stock and wait for a little while or leave it like this?
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If you get that dead mode, then it isn't matters that you are on custom or stock.
Guess i'll then then stick with the customization. If anything goes down that badly I'm gonna act dumb all the way :silly:
Why Worry?
Don't worry. buddy.
First of all, my and my friend's One V didn't die.
Second, if it dies, as you see the previous posts, HTC won't be able to tell that it's rooted if it's hard bricked.
First you could try to repair it using some methods available on the internet or at last you could send it to HTC.
When you're going to win in either way, they why worry?