This normally happens after I upgrade to a new ROM (doesn't matter which ROM) but not always.
I can have the HTC clock not displaying the right time, so for example:
- The big clock on the Home screen shows: 11:07.
- The little clock on the top right of the screen shows 11:18
- But if you press the big clock on the Home screen, it goes to World Clock and it actually displays the right time, which is say 11:36
Not sure why - sometimes 3-5 soft resets fix this, sometimes it doesn't. Anyone experiencing the same thing? I have G-Alarm and PhoneWeaver installed.
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Disable time synchronizing in Phone settings.
Did you install a 01:02 clock flip fix?
Tried turning it off and reset, still the same.
I didn't install the clock flip fix. But even if I do, the clock on the task bar (top right) is still wrong (which is not part of the Manilla interface)
UPDATE: Anyway, after like 5 soft resets, problem seems to go away as usual..guess can't help it
Had such a problem on my old Hybrid ROM's. People where reporting it, however I personally never got it. So imho it's an issue with the timezone.
I've had exactly the same problem.
The time/clock in Sense seems to freeze on the hometab, but a smaller program (I use Battclock) is showing the correct time on the taskbar. If I go to "Start menu" and then back, the clock will flip and update correctly.
Haven't figured out the cause nor the solution. Anybody?
...and if it matters, I'm using "Co0kie's Home Tab" for modding the Home screen.
Easy. Just do a soft reset multiple times until it's fixed by itself somehow Make sure you turn off the time synchronization online like jackos said too
Firstly, turn the time zone synchronization is Phone settings.
If it doesn't work I'll provide you a bit more firmly steps.
PS Uninstall ANY 1:02 cloak fixes. There is imho just one version by amrullez (or whatever he is called, sorry) that actually doesn't freeze the cloak.
Thanks for your replies.
- I had Time sync. disabled under Phone settings, nevertheless, time freezing on home tab.
- I haven't installed any 1:02 fixes, but still the same clock freeze.
- Used both TouchLockPro and ManilaLock from Co0kie's Home Tab). Both of those lockers seem to display the time straight from Manila/Sense, so when the time froze on the Home tab, it was also frozen on the unlock screen (had to unlock each time and check the actual time on the taskbar (using Battclock).
I did find a "way" out of this (at least it has been working for almost a day now), although I'd like to find a more stable fix for this:
I installed the S2U2 locker (but I prefer other less memory demanding lockers). It seems as when S2U2 unlocks it "forces" home tab to refresh (similar to when I go to "Start menu" and then back). Will let you know if this fails.
Jackobs, have you got another way to fix this (especially so we don't have to depend on S2U2 or other "not quite" solutions)?
Sverrs said:
- Used both TouchLockPro and ManilaLock from Co0kie's Home Tab). Both of those lockers seem to display the time straight from Manila/Sense, so when the time froze on the Home tab, it was also frozen on the unlock screen (had to unlock each time and check the actual time on the taskbar (using Battclock).
Jackobs, have you got another way to fix this (especially so we don't have to depend on S2U2 or other "not quite" solutions)?
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I'm using TouchLockPro too and I don't think that it does use the time from Sense
By the way, I'm Jackos not Jackobs Anyway Jacobs sucks, so please keep in mind that this coffee is ****
OK, be sure that the time isn't synchronizing with the internet. Sense -> Settings Tab -> Data Services -> Internet time sync -> Uncheck Get time from internet
Now the "hard" way. Usually the cloak freeze problem is related to autotimeupdate.exe. The file is in ROM, but we can just exclude it from loading at the start. Go to HKLM\init\ and delete the key called autotimeupdate.exe.
Remember, that I have never got this issue, but I had similar problems with my old Hybrid ROM's and a lot of users reported back that the issue is fixed by deleting this registry key.
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I'm using TouchLockPro too and I don't think that it does use the time from Sense
By the way, I'm Jackos not Jackobs Anyway Jacobs sucks, so please keep in mind that this coffee is ****
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Totally agree on TouchLockPro not using the time from Sense, but since it shows the Home tab with the flip clock "in the background" the time isn't correct when you want to quickly check the time (although the time on the little taskbar clock is right, but not quite as handy).
Also, all apologies for the name misunderstanding, Jackos, my bad =)
Will revert back to TouchLockPro from S2U2, see if the time continues to freeze as before, if so apply your fix and report if it keeps freezing.
Many thanks Jackos!!
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Is there some way to remove the Honeycomb effect (offset fonts) from the Start menu?
Also, I'd like to have more control over the order of things in the Start menu. Are there any tweaks that provide this control?
i really wish microsoft would do something about the start menu. its not honeycomb anymore without the honeycomb. its just staggered and it doesnt make sense anymore. if you want to place icons in certain order you have to press and hold and move up and down. its tedious but thats the way it works. switch to htcs manila start menu if you want it different.
This article actually suggests the staggered layout is more finger friendly than a regular grid. Not sure I buy it. Like most people, I think it makes the menu look jumbled.
http://onlygizmos.com/windows-mobile-65-honeycomb-menu-is-more-than-just-looks/2009/03/
Its true that the lack of sorting and re-organizing features for the Start Menu is annoying and a bit puzzling.
Don't know of any hacks for changing the staggered layout.
But reStart and Icon Changer are XDA user-developed programs that allow you to re-order icons, or change them. I've tried reStart with limited success. For some reason, the icons don't always end up where you put them on the list. I haven't tried Icon Changer yet, but intend to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=481379
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567080
Seriously, this is the best Microsoft could do with a start menu? This is what was supposed to compete with the fluid cleanliness of iPhone's home screen? Ridiculous.
I avoid the "Start" screen at all costs and use Manilla whenever possible.
I organize the Start menu into folders and then alphabetize the icons with re/Start.
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As I always say, QuickMenu. You can make the individual items as large as you want to make it increasingly touch-friendly, and it makes sense, includes the ability to end programs, recent launched, links to settings, etc..
I've been using an app called Panoramic Launchpad downloaded from Microsoft Marketplace for a few bucks. It's been working great, you can reorganize any icon you want on the fly by hold and drag. The only downside is it takes up about 8MB of RAM the last time I looked.
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I've been using an app called Panoramic Launchpad downloaded from Microsoft Marketplace for a few bucks. It's been working great, you can reorganize any icon you want on the fly by hold and drag. The only downside is it takes up about 8MB of RAM the last time I looked.
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8 megs!?!?! Hahahahah, refund.
i actually wasnt a fan of the old start menu. the drop down didnt make sense. going straight into all programs did so microsoft threw you in there. and the honeycomb prototype design was super snazzy. http://stevewiilliams.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/win-mo-6-5.jpg i think htc did a good job at replacing that through the manila start menu in tf3d 2.0. but it doesnt really fit in with sense 2.5 so rather than updating it, they just dropped that all together. seems no one can make a good looking cohesive start menu.
Are you saying that Sense doesn't have a Programs tab?
i was actaully saying it didnt have manila start menu but yeah it doesnt look like it has a programs tab either.
Looks like the original question hasn't been answered yet - how do you get rid of the honeycomb? I tried the Showaco start menu program (from the folks that did REstart) but it did not work on my Sprint TP2 with 6.5.
AWESOME START
That's what I use, it creates a drop down listing which you can scroll through, if you tap and hold you can set to the top or down. I think if you pair this with ReStart you can get a pretty workable start menu.
I first found the cab on xda, but cannot remember which thread, so I apologize to the dev.
Hope this helps.
Awesome Start shows a list rather than icons. That still doesn't answer the question in this thread. How do we show the start menu with icons like normal, just not honeycombed?
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Awesome Start removes the Honeycomb effect
vogelap said:
Also, I'd like to have more control over the order of things in the Start menu. Are there any tweaks that provide this control?
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ReStart provides more control over the order of things in the Start menu
►@Madmartian, I do not know for sure how to fix the honeycomb effect (perhaps the Cookies tweak, but I do not know for sure), but I think the OP was answered.
Re: Default Windows Start Menu Alternative: Winstart
Many users in the NRG Rhodium thread recently recommended Winstart for WM 6.x. The paid version ($5) offers more RAM savings & tweaks vs the free version. And it works w/ or w/o Sense.
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I think one of my apps may have caused this problem. It just happened out of the blue. Is there any way of fixing this without needing to hard reset?
I have a link to show you guys how it looks, but apparently I'm not allowed to post links...
Thanks for any help!
tprisco said:
I think one of my apps may have caused this problem. It just happened out of the blue. Is there any way of fixing this without needing to hard reset?
I have a link to show you guys how it looks, but apparently I'm not allowed to post links...
Thanks for any help!
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Messed up, or gone entirely? If you're just back on the stock WM 6.x interface, you can turn sense back on in your settings menu, select the "today" option, then the "items" tab, and you'll see the check box to turn sense on, then just "ok" to close.
If it's graphical corruption, can you describe it, and have you tried a soft-reset yet? You may need to go back and uninstall any recent apps/cabs one-by-one, soft-resetting after each, to see if that clears it up.
It's messed up; it's not back to the stock WM 6.x interface.
The clock is completely messed up, the numbers are all unintelligable. It constantly says "Title" on the center. The slider bar is always there but without any icons. Background wallpaper is darkened.
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It's messed up; it's not back to the stock WM 6.x interface.
The clock is completely messed up, the numbers are all unintelligable. It constantly says "Title" on the center. The slider bar is always there but without any icons. Background wallpaper is darkened.
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Sh** dude what did you install?!
what ROM are you running? stock, 2.1?
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If you are using the stock 2.1 that came with your phone you can try installing this, i dug it up from an old thread...no
guarantees but it might save you a hard reset!
http://www.4shared.com/file/109330961/b9be5561/TF3DIIBlack.html
These are the instructions given by Stunno for the install:
"Before installing it copy the "2330fc3c_manila" file from the windows directory *Use Total Commander or the Resco file manager to copy the file* and put it back after installation. When installing DO NOT let your screen turn off!!! and it takes AGES to install, about 20-30 minutes.
Once it is installed, reboot and you have the default HTC black TF3D theme, with white fonts. You can then install any theme you want without CFC compression"
To replace the Facebook installation look here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...38&postcount=5
Make sure you copy the manila file as it says above....hope this works for you.
Below is the thread it came from, it should replace any and all of the messed up manila files whatever you have installed has messed up, and its prolly easier to replace them all than to try and find the specific files as there are thousands!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=545787&highlight=vodafone+theme
Of course someone more wise than me may have a better solution, but all the same here is mine, good luck
tprisco said:
It's messed up; it's not back to the stock WM 6.x interface.
The clock is completely messed up, the numbers are all unintelligable. It constantly says "Title" on the center. The slider bar is always there but without any icons. Background wallpaper is darkened.
img44.imageshack.*insert ".us" here*/img44/3608/screenshot1rum*insert .png here*
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I'm running 6.1 as well, and I get that kind of issue when I install clocks or other themes/elements that are for 6.5 and up, but it would always go away after uninstalling the incompatible cab. Again, I'd just go backwards through your installs and remove them one by one...
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I'm running 6.1 as well, and I get that kind of issue when I install clocks or other themes/elements that are for 6.5 and up, but it would always go away after uninstalling the incompatible cab. Again, I'd just go backwards through your installs and remove them one by one...
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I totally missed that,it would make sense. how do you know he is running 6.1?
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I totally missed that,it would make sense. how do you know he is running 6.1?
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I was assuming really, the screenshot just looks like the dirt-simple clock and home screen that's found natively in 6.1
I had a similar problem after using Max TF3D Theme Maker v4.1. If you used this app, you should be able to do a restore from with in Max TF3D
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I was assuming really, the screenshot just looks like the dirt-simple clock and home screen that's found natively in 6.1
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I think he's also running WM6.1 because it looks like he only has TouchFlo3D (not Sense; yes, you can tell by the clock).
Now, call me crazy, but seeing he has a plain, white Start button at the top-left of the screen, wouldn't that hint more towards him running WM6.5? Isn't it that WM6.1 has a colored Start button whereas WM6.5 has a white Start button? Just a thought...
To the OP: Can't you just uninstall your mods in Start > Settings > System > Remove Programs? Or is it not showing up there?
I have a couple questions regarding the ICS update, as I flashed FF18 One-click root last night.
1) What happened to the screen capture shortcut?
2) I know that the Data Roaming notifications are a little buggy, is there any way to permanently disable them? Either through removal of a apk file, or something else?
3) Is there a reason for such the quick battery drain? I had it charged to near 100 percent last night, so I unplugged it and left it connected to WiFi over night (that was ~7 hours ago). When I woke up, the battery level was at 52, and after 30 minutes of light use (browsing the web with chrome, looking at settings, and configuring tasker with an attempted "Theft Profile it was down to 38.
4) With ICS comes a new way to incorporate applications and what not, generally I like to remove as many homebrewed apps (like Social Hub for example) when I first flash the device. Is there a list of safe ICS applications to remove?
I am sure I will have some more questions over time as my dad gets the upgrade himself, he will be asking me questions as well, but those were the ones that were on the top of my lsit.
Thanks
1) it's power + volume down now, just hold it for 1 second.
2) I haven't gotten one yet since the update, but if they are like they were, there's that checkbox on the notification to permanently dismiss it
3) I had the same thing yesterday, on day 1 of my ICS update. Seems slightly better this morning, but we'll see... this morning I've used 6% of my battery in 34 minutes since unplugged, with about half of that time awake with screen on. One thing I'm suspicious of is the new Sprint ID switcher thing.
The good: Open it. Switch from "Samsung" ID pack to "My ID" pack. Bam. Vanilla Ice Cream Sandwich launcher, no TouchWiz.
The bad: Download "Home Manager" app from Play market. Observe both "Launcher" and "TWLauncher" are running. ...and if you had a third party launcher like I do (Go Launcher EX), you probably ALSO see that one "running". You can use this app to kill the others, but it seems temporary, although I've been switching and configuring and have only used it 1 day. Having 2-3 launchers simultaneously seems like that could use a little more battery to me.
4) Can't tell you that, I'd think whatever the old GB list was would still be valid, as a baseline, and maybe you'll find more you can remove later.
Personally, I think the "better safe than sorry" route is to install a rooted kernel with a recovery, take a nandroid backup, so that if you delete an app that's "not safe", you can restore your nandroid and be back in business.
1) Thanks, that was bugging me.
2) This is because I am in a low signal area and switching back and forth between towers.
3) I don't have an issue with the launcher (I also froze the TWLauncher application though):
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I am hoping to run it down this afternoon and charge it and see how it goes from there.
Battery stats: http://imgur.com/a/7zLjf#71
4) Will just have to start freezing things and finding out what doesn't work I guess.
5) Is it normal for the apps to be randomly force closing, stalling, black screening, unresponsive? Unfortunately, I can't wipe dalvik cache without custom recovery (or if I can, I don't know how)?
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5) Is it normal for the apps to be randomly force closing, stalling, black screening, unresponsive? Unfortunately, I can't wipe dalvik cache without custom recovery (or if I can, I don't know how)?
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If you are rooted, you can wipe dalvik-cache using Auto Root Option E and choosing wipe dalvik cache.
Auto Root can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342728
You can also just do it from an adb shell
su
rm /data/dalvik-cache/*
reboot
Thanks sfhub, I will try that. EDIT: sfhub. that didn't seem to work:
(see attached picture)
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The battery issues are still a huge concern for me. I am getting 4 - 6 hours less than my average:
http://imgur.com/a/C1RKH#0
All of these were taken today with low - normal usage. Checking e-mail, sending a small amount of text messages, browsing web, using Google Translate.
Has anyone else lost swipe with the new update?
Thanks,
Dana
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Has anyone else lost swipe with the new update?
Thanks,
Dana
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See this post for link to solution. It is the 3rd or 4th issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27635600#post27635600
Warning! This has been developed and tested on Galaxy Nexus. It should work fine on SIII, but have a backup, just in case something goes wrong (can't imagine what)
Today I got a little bit bored and decide to make this simple app. As the name says, it allows to put the phone in Standby (Lock) with the touch of app's icon. I know that there are many many apps that do this, but maybe in the future I could add other options to it. So far it seems to work fine, I tested it with Jellbro latest nightly and works like a charm. Maybe I am too lazy, but because my phone is on the desk most of the day, I find it not very convenient to press the Power button...
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Changelog for version 1.4:
1.4
- added Tasks feature
- on some ROM versions the screen my try to turn itself on again after lock, the app will double check and try to lock it again. Please provide feedback if it still does not work.
- minor graphic tweaks
You can find it on Google Play at: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alinberce.standbytouch
Feel free to give me suggestions . Also a high rating on Google Play would help. Thanks.
I am using the app and haven't got any "wake screen" events. So hopefully works as expected.
I was thinking of a feature:
1. set an interval in seconds, let's say 60
2. set in the app, Enable touch screen to wake
3. in you press the screen on this interval, the phone awakes.
This of course with the cost of battery life....
What do you say, is is useful or not ?
works but not exactly like power button .
screen flashes white for a couple ms
but like the other functions
(just wondering whether you make a setting so you can choose whether or not to put device into deep sleep ) prob stupid function coz u always want ur device to go into deep sleep when screen off
thanks
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No flashes for me, screen goes immediately off when i press icon, nice Ui look good also. I made swipe gesture to nova launcher, when i swipe up with 2 fingers, screen goes off.
Thanks.
on uninstalling my phone does not autolock anymore, neither does the screen time out, tried on ics, not happy with that, also with the software it would lock the phone on toggling but however it would not turn the screen off, not pretty happy.
@cletusarrarr I am sorry but I can't understand what you said. The app has nothing to do with screen time out or any other system settings.
May I ask what you use for the circle selector ?
Looks great
Thanks @Tolriq... the circle ideas came to me sudden and I've made it from scratch. There is no control I've used. Basically there are 2 custom views, a smaller one with the hour circle and a bigger one with the minutes circles, with some touch and rotation events. Glad you like it, I haven't seen anything like it in any other app. Somehow I think that there are still tweaks to be made, maybe, sometimes it's easy to go wrong by pressing unintentionally on the other one.
Thx! 5 star given!
But still sometimes the screen come back briefly b4 it locks again. I read comments in screen off fx that it doesn't hv this problem on s3. Maybe u can check it out if u hv time. Meanwhile I really enjoy ur work coz the design of the icon is so cool!
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I have encountered this screen shown in some ROMs, in another it didn't appear (this on my Galaxy Nexus). The app only accesses a standard android function to lock the screen, without any bells and whistles. I could not find why it was happening like that, so I just try to make a relock after half of a second (just in case the screen turns on).
Thank you very much for your kind workds.
It's perfect. Love the simplicity of the icon.
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Thanks a lot. If you guys have any ideas for features, please let me know.
I've just released a new version in the market. Unfortunatelly it does not have new features as I've been really busy in the last few months but includes two important things:
- there is no more white screen + app's icon when pressing the app's icon, just before the screen shuts down
- I added compatibility with JB 4.2
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alinberce.standbytouch
I have also released a refreshed version of my babies app, I'd love to hear some feedback from those of you who have small babies (1 to 3 years old):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=34258314#post34258314
Hi guys,
I have released a new version of the app. I have removed the Tasks feature as it wasn't too helpful and added Sleep Mode. So basically, the Sleep Mode shows for a brief moment (the time you set in Settings) 2 icons which allows you to switch off Sound/Wi-Fi/Data.
Here is how it works:
1. Go to Settings -> Zzzzzz Mode -> Set the interval in hours when you want the icons to be displayed. Set the milliseconds to be displayed and check the toggles you want to disable
2. Next time you press the StandBy icon you will see 2 icons on the screen. The moon icon puts the phone to standby and toggles off the checked things from settings. The sun icon, simply turns them on again and closes, without going into standby.
Any feedback is gladly received.
Hello everyone,
I have a problem with my HTC 10. My country (Turkey), I have no idea why, decided to stay in the daylight saving time, so now, we are at the +3 zone.
But dear HTC engineers, not like Samsung or LG or Apple or any other manufacturers engineers, didn't update the time zone settings on the devices.
So now I have two options. Keep the +2 and set the time manually. That's how I can have correct time on my lock screen and weather widget, but everything else is wrong. (Such as my calendar entries, times on social media apps and so on)
If I set the time as +3, then weather widget and lock screen times are wrong.
Since HTC sucks, I don't think we will get any updates about this issue quite soon. I just lost my patience and I am sure this is my last HTC device (I was a huge HTC fan, seriously, a user since HTC Diamond!), but anyways, is there any kind of fix I can do? Do custom roms fixed that or I can root the phone and fix it by myself?
Thanks everyone in advance for their answers
custom roms didn't fix it. There is nothing you can do. Maybe the nougat update will fix it but htc shows no intention to fix it since it is not sold much in Turkey. Same issues with me I'm on latest viper and had to set everything manuel. Just reinstall your social media apps while the time is corrected
Have you accomplished the hard reset though..? If not - please do...
Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
jauhien said:
Have you accomplished the hard reset though..? If not - please do...
Sent from quite brutal hTc 10 ..
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Didn't work
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And did that work when you cleared those two check-boxes? and manually set GMT +3 of any suitable city (country) what does not use DST ..?
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jauhien said:
And did that work when you cleared those two check-boxes? and manually set GMT +3 of any suitable city (country) what does not use DST ..?
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Then phone time is correct, but weather widget and lockscreen widgets are showing the wrong time.
ToffieBoi said:
Then phone time is correct, but weather widget and lockscreen widgets are showing the wrong time.
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Did you try picking GMT +3 time zones with and without DST ??
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ToffieBoi said:
Then phone time is correct, but weather widget and lockscreen widgets are showing the wrong time.
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Make sure the widgets are set to use the clock you want (for clock, open it, hit the three dots menu, set home time zone--it's probably set at your prior settings).
Also, wait a minute for it to update; it may not take effect immediately.
None of them works unfortunately. I still use my phone on wrong time zone and having calendar and other problems.
The main problem is the Clock application. Lockscreen clock and others are checking time from Clock App's database. Whatever I do with my time settings, in the end phone checks my location. Finds it, checks it's database for 'what time it is there' and gives the wrong time.
So I would like to learn something. If anyone with Nougat can confirm that, I will be really happy.
When you have automatic time and time zone, can anyone check World Clocks tab, and compare Istanbul's time with google. (Just google 'what time is it in Istanbul')
If they are the same, it means that HTC fixed it in Nougat and I will wait for an update.
If there is one hour difference, I will just root my phone, install a custom rom, get rid of sense and sense lockscreen and others...
ToffieBoi said:
So I would like to learn something. If anyone with Nougat can confirm that, I will be really happy.
When you have automatic time and time zone, can anyone check World Clocks tab, and compare Istanbul's time with google.
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I'm on Nougat, and the phone shows one hour earlier than timeanddate.com displays for Istanbul.
Real issue is that there is no Timezone rules update service.
The real issue here is that Google still has not provided a service that will update the timezone rules on an android (Or chromebook), without the need to do a whole OS update.
A simple service... just needs to get one zip file and put it on the darn device... They don't even have to build the rules directory contents another consortium already does this. Seems like a simple fix. They don't even have to push the update every time the db changes, only 2x per year. Middle of summer and Middle of winter so we catch the next seasons rules updates for fall and spring.