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I understand the rationale behind not killing tasks, but i checked out the bbc news app earlier, and it runs a service (i could see it via a task manager). I couldn't then kill the service by using the bbc app. Should I be not killing services, and if so, aren't I going to end up potentially running several services unneccessarily?

I don't think there's any harm in killing services if you really want to, but the OS is supposed to do a good job of killing services if another application is in need of the resources being taken up by something you haven't actually used for a while.
Some seem desperate to kill every task possible to save an extra few minutes of battery life though.

moshbeard said:
I don't think there's any harm in killing services if you really want to, but the OS is supposed to do a good job of killing services if another application is in need of the resources being taken up by something you haven't actually used for a while.
Some seem desperate to kill every task possible to save an extra few minutes of battery life though.
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I'm happy with the OS doing that sort of thing, but I want control over services which use battery and consume data.

task managers actually end up costing you more battery, having that constantly killing tasks causes them to restart using the CPU which drains the battery. much better to just back out of an app and leave in "idle"
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hager420 said:
task managers actually end up costing you more battery, having that constantly killing tasks causes them to restart using the CPU which drains the battery. much better to just back out of an app and leave in "idle"
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Doesn't really address my question specifically about services, and the data/battery they consume. If I load the BBC news widget/app and it fires off a service to keep the news up to date, then I quit, but I can still see the service running (not sleeping or whatever) then it's using my battery and potentially still get data and I want it to stop. Have you used the BBC news app? Can you see the service running after you've quit the front end? How would you stop it? How about malicious apps?

Since reading that task killers are 'bad' I've got rid of all mine, but I dedided to keep jkAppSwitch on my long press of the search button. Mainly I use it for switching between apps easily but it can be used to manually kill things so that's cool, I rarely kill apps now since what I read here but in special needs circumstances I have that power.
Two birds with one stone and all that.

oursoul said:
Since reading that task killers are 'bad' I've got rid of all mine, but I dedided to keep jkAppSwitch on my long press of the search button. Mainly I use it for switching between apps easily but it can be used to manually kill things so that's cool, I rarely kill apps now since what I read here but in special needs circumstances I have that power.
Two birds with one stone and all that.
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Since my post, I've been playing with Fring, and I've stopped now and logged out. I look at the running services and I can see:
Process: com.fring
CallService
Started by application: touch to stop
Well, I don't want to have to fiddle with settings and kill stuff. I've logged out, then quit (pressed back - there's no 'quit' other than 'log out'). This isn't the only app that does this. I understand entirely the deal with Android managing apps, but it seems that this "service killer":
menu/settings/applications/running services
is required if you want to save cpu time, battery and possibly bandwidth. Should I have to do this? Or is this app badly behaved?

stop apps auto starting on boot?

as title really.
some apps i only use every other day auto start. there's no need for it and i have to kill em off.
is there a way yet of preventing them from starting automatically?

tommo123 said:
as title really.
some apps i only use every other day auto start. there's no need for it and i have to kill em off.
is there a way yet of preventing them from starting automatically?
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Try Autorun Killer, it's in the market
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Market -> Startup Manager
;-)

be careful though, stopping the wrong things from starting up can bork your phone

tommo123 said:
some apps i only use every other day auto start. there's no need for it and i have to kill em off.
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Q. Why do you have to kill them off?
Regards,
Dave

they use memory and use the cpu from time to time. for things i only use on occasion it doesn't make sense for them to run all the time.
same with windows, programs add themselves to the startup list. it's pointless if you use those programs only once a week or so

anyhoo, tis working now.
ta all

tommo123 said:
they use memory and use the cpu from time to time. for things i only use on occasion it doesn't make sense for them to run all the time.
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IMHO, not enough to make any serious difference.
If the apps are not being used, they will consume little to no CPU cycles, and if memory becomes tight the system will automatically kill them off.
same with windows, programs add themselves to the startup list. it's pointless if you use those programs only once a week or so
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Yes, but the task management on Windows is vastly different to Android, so I don't think you can draw direct any accurate conclusions from the comparison.
My experience with Android stretches back to the US release of the G1 (~ October'08), and so I've been through all of these "performance enhancements" before (autostarts, task killers etc etc) on the G1, and then later the Hero.
In the long term, I've found leaving the system alone to do its own thing improves the experience and I regularly get 30+ hours usage from a single charge (heavy user) and absolutely zero issues with lag - your mileage may vary of course!
Regards,
Dave

i get that, i also (as a bit of a e-control freak) can't stand things running when they have no need to. i have the paypal app, and even though it's something i would probably use every few weeks, runs all the time. it would be more efficient to have power user disallow these from running except when needed. it's annoying really since i want control of what happens on my phone
i did say i was a control freak

my concern is if the app is killing my battery ? I notice even with the task killer , I kill all apps (running ) but it appears again later on the list.
Will Autorun Killer stop the apps completely when not in use ?

[GUIDE] Battery Saving Steps/Mods/Roms | 7/6

Battery Save Like RandomKing​
I find myself regularly repeating many of these suggestions on many threads to many different people on how to extend your battery life. When not in use, my phone loses at most only 1-2% battery per hour! So I'm making one thread in the Epic forums dedicated to maximizing battery life while trying to explain why these steps will work. Some battery improvements come at the cost of performance or lack of certain services. This must be distinctly understood, or nothing wonderful can come of these steps.
Step 1: Brightness & Battery​
Let's face it. Our Android phone screens are huge. This feature is the largest, and completely unavoidable battery-drain. The only way to limit it is to not use the screen... ergo... not use your phone. But that clearly makes no sense, so how to limit that drain? Well, a good step is to turn down your screen's brightness to the lowest you can read clearly, don't hurt your eyes! For night-time use, there's an app that can turn the brightness down even lower called Screen Filter(Thanks to iModMM for the find!). Also, choose a nice dark background, something in the black color range. For all phones, the darker the color, the less brightness used, less power consumed! But for our Epic's Super Amoled screen, specifically, a black pixel is technically an "off" pixel. That's right, every black pixel on your screen is a part of your screen not being powered, since the Super Amoled does not need backlighting. Blackle is also a good alternative to the standard Google site for a black themed search engine, though it doesn't seem to be mobile optimized. Also, lock your screen with that nice little button on the top right side of your phone. Don't wait for it to lock itself! As far as the battery itself goes, charging to 100% can be tricky. The moment that led turns blue, your phone has generally reached 100%, but it will generally trickle charge between 97 and 100 after that. A good way to charge to 100 percent is to use an external charger, which generally come with 1 or 2 spare batteries for about $20. This way, the moment your battery dies, shut down, and pop a fresh one in.
Step 2: Using a Custom Rom​
At this point, there are many Epic 4G custom roms out, and if you're in this forum, you've likely rooted or are trying to root. Well I will not go into rooting directions here. Take a look at one and see how it fare's out-of-the-box for you. If you choose to use my customized rom, you will find a task manager with a preset ignore list, ready to use as a one-tap app-closing widget; as well as the service-freezing patch mentioned below in Step 8 ready for execution through a terminal, and my entire setup(among many other mods, apps, and tweaks tested for the greatest battery performance). These are just roms I've used myself to great results. Many others exist. Updated 7/6:
RandomKing's Customized Rom
2.2.1 EC05 v.1 Plus [Journaled w/Genocide 1.0] [Screenshots]
SyndicateFrozen Rom
2.2.1 EC05 v.1.2
Bonsai Rom
2.2.1 EC05 v.4.1.1 Not Supported on XDA. Sorry.
Midnight Rom
2.2.1 EC05 v.5.3
Step 3: Disable Unnecessary Services​
First and foremost, disable all location services, wifi and gps based. This will affect certain apps like weather apps, you'll simply have to deal with static locations. Next, disable data sync. Contacts will not synchronize with Gmail while this is off. You will have to enable it sporadically. The Gmail app also will not function while this is off, I recommend using the email app and simply adjusting the refresh interval. You can always manually check your own email . Likewise, you may put your phone into airplane mode altogether if you don't plan to use it for an extended period of time, such as school, work, swim meet, movies, or on an airplane.
Step 4: Task Killers and JuiceDefender​
First, let's get JuiceDefender out of the way. It's a neat app, and in certain ways, effective. However, it's own effectiveness comes with certain contradictions. It disables nearly all signals, which will include, for example, Google Voice. In my experience, this app hindered certain other services, and if anything may have drawn further on my battery. My recommendation is to stay away from it. Now onto Task Killers, they are good, and they are evil. Let me explain. Many of us may find issues closing all the apps we open, and sometimes forget we left something open. A task killer can easily ensure that you've closed all of your programs. Now onto the bad. Task killers can try to kill certain system services. This is generally BAD. Certain services shouldn't be killed, and others can't be killed, and the ongoing battle only further drains your battery while trying to kill services that AREN'T actually bad. So on that note, the worst part of task killers is AUTO-KILL. Disable it! Kill it! Kill it with FIRE! I use Advanced or Adao Task Killer, with no auto-kill. It is one of the only widgets I use, and I simply tap it before I lock my phone each time.
Step 5: Widgets​
If you don't need them, don't use them. Almost all widgets make continuous unnecessary calls to the Android system, and this can be a huge battery draw. Even simple widgets. Through all my testing, there's only 2 widgets I have approved thus far: Advanced Task Killer, Power Control. Other disapproved widgets: Pandora, Winamp, Weather(ALL OF THEM), etc.
Step 6: SetCpu, Voltage Control, and Over/Underclocking​
As with much of this thread, this is opinionated and empirical theories. Through my testing, Overclocking is unnecessary, and guaranteed to draw on the battery. Most of these roms come from fantastic devs and are, by default, blazingly fast. Overclocking is completely redundant in my opinion, and I'm generally all about speed. Underclocking/undervolting may preserve more battery, but my opinion on the matter is similar to my feeling on widgets. If you don't need it, don't do it. If you feel the need to use these apps, a generally accepted setting for battery preservation is to undervolt to 800 max. and 100 min. (if your phone can handle it, some may experience wake-locks, raise min. to 200) on conservative governor, adjusting your profiles for when the phone is locked, unlocked and etc.
Step 7: Unnecessary Apps​
Free apps are great, aren't they? But how many have you gathered, just because they're free? Now how many of those don't you use, but regularly draw on your phone regardless. There's an easy way to roughly check. Open your settings. Now go to Applications. Manage Applications. Take a look at which are running that you have not opened. Using a task killer prior, and waiting a couple minutes to see what re-opens may be a good way to check which apps are continuously running in the background and evaluate if they can be removed.
Facebook --- Notorious for running in the background. Disabling notifications may help.
Latitude --- Largest offender of location service usage. Neat app. Huge battery hog.
QIK/Fring --- Any video chatter really. If you don't use them, remove or disable them.
Browser --- Large ram usage. Try Dolphin Mini or Miren.​
Step 8: Freeze Services​
Using Titanium Backup Pro, MyBackup Pro, or Bloat Freezer (yes, non-free apps) freeze any of the following services:
sns --- (Will disable sns)
snsaccount --- (Will disable Facebook contact integration)
drm --- (May affect media programs like mediahub)
drmcontent --- (May affect media programs like mediahub)
systemupdater --- (Best disabled if on custom rom)​
Enter the following commands into the Android Terminal to manually freeze the above services:
Code:
su
pm disable com.sec.android.providers.drm
pm disable com.sec.android.app.sns
pm disable com.samsung
Simply enter the previous commands into the Android Terminal while substituting "enable" for "disable" to manually defrost these.
If you would like a shortcut for this method, check out the patch in This Thread Also Included In RandomKing's Rom..​
Step 9: Journaling​
Journaling... some love it, some hate it. The fact remains, journaling enables extra write cycles. While this will prevent data loss, it also means more cpu usage. It follows that battery should last longer with journaling disabled. You can use chris41g's mod HERE to turn Journaling on/off at will.
Step 10: Turn it Off and Spend Time With Loved Ones​
That's right. You're obsessing with your phone. Leave it be. Do something meaningful and memorable. Have fun with life! This is just a phone.
More coming as it comes to me! Including mods, apps, etc. aimed at improving battery life. Feel free to leave your own suggestions or questions! If this guide and it's features have helped you in anyway, leave THANKS so I know whether or not to keep up on it!​

Y is this in q&a?
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Because its an answer to many questions posted here.
-Sent from my Random Epic.

many good suggestions here RandomKing.
this stuff is all so useful to us newer users out here, maybe this should be stickied (either here or in general).

jarcher1971 said:
many good suggestions here RandomKing.
this stuff is all so useful to us newer users out here, maybe this should be stickied (either here or in general).
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Thanks! I have no control over where this belongs, I just know its an answer to many questions and would be noticed here.
-Sent from my Random Epic.

has anyone noticed an effect on the phone's ability to sleep when you manually reorder the apps alphabetically in the app drawer? I kept having problems and factory reset 2x. Now I did find 3 troublesome apps that although not apparently running in the background, kept my phone from sleeping simply by being installed. I also stopped ordering my apps, deleted the troublesome apps and now it seems my phone is working correctly. I wonder if that (editing the default order) could also prevent the phone from sleeping? Any thoughts?

rando991 said:
has anyone noticed an effect on the phone's ability to sleep when you manually reorder the apps alphabetically in the app drawer? I kept having problems and factory reset 2x. Now I did find 3 troublesome apps that although not apparently running in the background, kept my phone from sleeping simply by being installed. I also stopped ordering my apps, deleted the troublesome apps and now it seems my phone is working correctly. I wonder if that (editing the default order) could also prevent the phone from sleeping? Any thoughts?
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Can't say I've noticed this, but I've been on launcherpro for quite some time now. Perhaps you could share more details on your setup?
-Sent from my Random Epic.

I'm non rooted stock EC05. I used to use EDIT in the app drawer to rearrange my apps in alphabetical order (they don't arrange themselves automatically this way after rebooting). I had noticed in spare parts that my phone was never sleeping and killing my battery. I did a factory reset and it worked as advertised. I slowly added apps back until I found two that seem to prevent my phone from sleeping so I uninstalled them. Phone worked fine for a while but then started acting up again. I repeated the procedure, leaving only the apps my wife's phone had (hers always sleeps like a baby), but then my phone started up again. Tried another reset but this time decided to leave the apps in the order they put themselves and so far so good...wondering if that was doing something or if it is an app update that goes bonkers?

rando991 said:
I'm non rooted stock EC05. I used to use EDIT in the app drawer to rearrange my apps in alphabetical order (they don't arrange themselves automatically this way after rebooting). I had noticed in spare parts that my phone was never sleeping and killing my battery. I did a factory reset and it worked as advertised. I slowly added apps back until I found two that seem to prevent my phone from sleeping so I uninstalled them. Phone worked fine for a while but then started acting up again. I repeated the procedure, leaving only the apps my wife's phone had (hers always sleeps like a baby), but then my phone started up again. Tried another reset but this time decided to leave the apps in the order they put themselves and so far so good...wondering if that was doing something or if it is an app update that goes bonkers?
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Hmm. If you can't narrow it down to a certain app, I'm not totally sure what it could be. Have you tried clearing the data/cache of Twlauncher? You could try a launcher like LauncherPro, you don't have to be rooted to use a different one.

No but if the problem comes back up I will try some of those...these are the 3 apps that when loaded caused problems: NIV Bible, Document Scanner, [I now have relacement apps for each of these now] and most recently Espn Score Center, but my wife had all of thse but the doc scanner and had no problems

i would check in spare parts to see which apps may be holding a partial wake lock. for me the facebook app was not letting my phone sleep until i disable all of its notifications.

jarcher1971 said:
i would check in spare parts to see which apps may be holding a partial wake lock. for me the facebook app was not letting my phone sleep until i disable all of its notifications.
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Likewise. This is why I removed facebook altogether. The new mobile site has proven to be pretty useful now.
-Sent from my Random Epic.

Yeah I found the same thing...but I would log out of Facebook too. Also the problem reappeared after a factory reset and I had not gone into Facebook. Are you saying that even if you don't log in, it can stop your phone from sleeping? My phone started doing it again a few days ago for no apparent reason, and I was able to stop that behavior by: finding and moving 2 apps from the phone to SD card (I thought I had gotten all of them), clearing any cache from different apps, and rebooting.

jarcher1971 said:
i would check in spare parts to see which apps may be holding a partial wake lock. for me the facebook app was not letting my phone sleep until i disable all of its notifications.
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That wouldn't tell me anything when I had the problem. The only thing was Android System....and....the phone wouldn't sleep even if in airplane mode! Which meant it had to be a process or app doing it all the time. I had never thought to clear cache, but I wonder why doing that works? Also there's a menu option in Spare Parts about Button Behavior which leads you to believe you can make the phone sleep but the menu says "only available in Ver 1.5". I've checked the market and can't find a ver 1.5 Spare Parts...

rando991 said:
That wouldn't tell me anything when I had the problem. The only thing was Android System....and....the phone wouldn't sleep even if in airplane mode! Which meant it had to be a process or app doing it all the time. I had never thought to clear cache, but I wonder why doing that works? Also there's a menu option in Spare Parts about Button Behavior which leads you to believe you can make the phone sleep but the menu says "only available in Ver 1.5". I've checked the market and can't find a ver 1.5 Spare Parts...
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I believe it means android 1.5, because that says "End Button Behavior", and no new phones have Call and End buttons on them. Because the "Fancy Screen Rotation" says 1.5 only also.
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RandomKing said:
Step 6: Unnecessary Apps[/CENTER]
Free apps are great, aren't they? But how many have you gathered, just because they're free? Now how many of those don't you use, but regularly draw on your phone regardless. There's an easy way to roughly check. Open your settings. Now go to Applications. Manage Applications. Take a look at which are running that you have not opened. Using a task killer prior, and waiting a couple minutes to see what re-opens may be a good way to check which apps are continuously running in the background and evaluate if they can be removed.
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I think you mean "Now go to Applications. Running Services." Going to Manage Applications will show all non-system applications and not tell you what is currently running, AFAICT.
Or am I mistaken?
Thanks for this thread.

prodigyplace said:
I think you mean "Now go to Applications. Running Services." Going to Manage Applications will show all non-system applications and not tell you what is currently running, AFAICT.
Or am I mistaken?
Thanks for this thread.
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No, there is a "Running" tab inside Manage Applications. An app doesn't have to have a service to be running.
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zanderman112 said:
No, there is a "Running" tab inside Manage Applications. An app doesn't have to have a service to be running.
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Thanks for clarifying, Zanderman. Somehow I never noticed that tab before.

rando991 said:
That wouldn't tell me anything when I had the problem. The only thing was Android System....and....the phone wouldn't sleep even if in airplane mode! Which meant it had to be a process or app doing it all the time. I had never thought to clear cache, but I wonder why doing that works? Also there's a menu option in Spare Parts about Button Behavior which leads you to believe you can make the phone sleep but the menu says "only available in Ver 1.5". I've checked the market and can't find a ver 1.5 Spare Parts...
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Sounds to me like a system process may be the cause rather than any particular application. For me also I had issues early on with the SNS service forcing itself to restart continually and being a battery drain. It usually takes a force stop on that service followed by clearing data in the sns app and rebooting to fix. Don't know if that will work for you, but hope it helps.
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My tips you can add:
1. I always, no matter what, always have brightness on lowest setting! If you have a hard time seeing in sun, than do auto, but turn off when don't need to, I have on low 24/7. Then at night, I have this app called screen filter which lets you lower brightness then default setting(good on eyes).
2. I always have auto-sync off. If you want emails etc. configure with ur preferences. And most of the time background data. But with background data off, you don't have access to market and have to enable for use. Don't get notifications. Lately, haven't been getting WhatsApp messages. This is optional.
3. In wifi settings, network notification turned off. Haptic feedback and all vibration disabled. Sounds on key clicks or anything disabled. Auto rotate screen off. No window animations. Screen timeout, 15 seconds. Keyboard timeout, 3 seconds. In location, use wireless networks and gps satellites unchecked.
4. No live wallpaper! No bright colors! I use a black background for wallpaper!! Try to go a little dark, not bright, stay away from white! Id recommened, the full black wallpaper. Also on ur homescreen, avoid widgets! Especially ones that use live web feed like, facebook, scorecenter. These are battery suckers!
5. I delete all apps I do not use! Stock and user. Download titanium backup to fix this issue. I freeze, system updates, swype, drm content, drm content launcher, sns, snsaccount. I uninstall the stock browser, use dolphin!! I also uninstall, all sprint bloatware, my files, gmail, email, talk, news and weather. Uninstall all stock and user apps you don't use! Check spare parts to see what runs in the background that you don't use. Another thing to add, I uninstall swype and android keyboard and use better keyboard gingebread edition 8.
6. Disable refresh interval in facebook, do it manually when you are going to use it!
7. Use setcpu. Undervolt to 800max and 100min on conservative governor. Set profiles, when phone is locked and etc.
8. Now lets talk about juicedefender and task killers. Juice defender will work and is a good app! BUT: if ur a person like me, I text a lot in whatsapp and when u lock screen it disables data, so u wont get texts. Download it, take a look at it, try it out. I recommend using agressive mode. Now lets talk about task killers. Personally, I think they dont work at all, and actually waste battery then save it. I just would say don't use one, and use samsungs stock task killer(actually works!)
9. Use a custom rom and kernel. Always be up to date on updates. I usually use, SRF and midNight. All about preference.
10. Extended battery FTW!!! Buy a seidio extened battery! May cost some money, but will greatly increase battery!!! Or get a cheap asian knockoff on ebay.
11. Disable data and put phone into airplane mode when it wont be in use for a period of time. Like at school or work. I usually keep data off during school. You will see a difference with data on and off.
12. Always keep wifi, bluetooth, gps, 4g off when not in use. They will drain battery crazy!!! Wifi will search for networks constantly, same basic thing with gps and bluetooth.
13. Also do full charges!! At night shut off phone and let it charge for a good 8 hours. Then in morning, turn on still plugged in. The charging indicator will be red, leave it alone till its blue. Go get dressed and eat some breakfast lol. Then when you come back it should be blue. And when on boot, let it finish media scanning, don't interrupt it!!
I can guarentee if you follow my tips, you will see a significant increase in battery life!
These are my tips!! I will add more if I can remember some more!
Typed this all on my Epic!!

Anyone know of an app that ..

can automatically stop certain programs from auto-starting? I downloaded the wonderful Elixir 2 program and it showed me (and yes, I know that the OS would have showed as well), that apps like Stocks, First Aid, and Trillian were loaded/running even though I had not started these apps since the last reboot.
Is there a way to stop rogue apps from autostarting?

Why do you need to stop them? What makes you think that they shouldn't start?

???
Well, I am not sure WHY they need to start, but I am sure that they take up memory. "First Aid" is certainly an app that can start up when needed, no need to run in the background. Same for the others.
That said, the original question remains. Anyone know of an app that can adjust the autostart of apps that have no business starting automatically?

Haven't tried it but may be worth a look:
http://www.appbrain.com/app/autorun-manager/com.rs.autorun

Interesting
First - Thank you for responding to the question! I have downloaded and run the app. It certainly professes to do what I was asking. Stopped some apps from loading, but others seem to be more persistent (does Titanium Backup need to run on boot? MyBackupPro? Don't think so). Thank you!

Read the hundreds of posts on task killers. Unless you are having a problem with a particular app, it is best left alone. If the memory being used for the app in question is "needed", android will kill it on its own.

Deleted because I realized I do not need to stoop to respond to nonhelpful posts (but really, people. when is "read random amorphous posts which are not on topic" a response).

only came across 2 apps that run constantly in background vs cached like their supposed to. Fbook and okcupid. autostart managers sorta work but they break functions

In a perfect world, every app on your device would start at boot and reside in RAM. I've never understood this idea that killing apps somehow conserves resources or saves power, because it does neither. In fact, it does the OPPOSITE. For instance, Trillian: Do you REALLY want to kill it whenever you're not using it, only to reopen it the next time you want to use it? That eats about 4 times more power than just leaving it running. NOTHING your cpu does eats more power than reading and writing to NAND. RAM should be as full as possible all of the time with as many apps as are recently or likely to be used. RAM operations consume FAR less power than NAND operations. Unless the app is simply an abusive piece of crap, like Amazon's market and music apps, there's usually a reason for them to run. Titanium Backup never starts unless it's got a reason to, in my experience, such as scheduled auto-backup operations. The better question to ask is why apps are starting at boot, not "Where can I get one more resource-hogging app to whip bad behavior into shape?"

loonatik78 said:
In a perfect world, every app on your device would start at boot and reside in RAM. I've never understood this idea that killing apps somehow conserves resources or saves power, because it does neither. In fact, it does the OPPOSITE. For instance, Trillian: Do you REALLY want to kill it whenever you're not using it, only to reopen it the next time you want to use it? That eats about 4 times more power than just leaving it running. NOTHING your cpu does eats more power than reading and writing to NAND. RAM should be as full as possible all of the time with as many apps as are recently or likely to be used. RAM operations consume FAR less power than NAND operations. Unless the app is simply an abusive piece of crap, like Amazon's market and music apps, there's usually a reason for them to run. Titanium Backup never starts unless it's got a reason to, in my experience, such as scheduled auto-backup operations. The better question to ask is why apps are starting at boot, not "Where can I get one more resource-hogging app to whip bad behavior into shape?"
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I agree with this 100%.

Yes But
Yes - I get all that, but it bugs the heck out of me that some of these apps feel the need to auto run and worse still, are classified as "self restarter" by the recommended app.
On a cold power-up (I charge with the power off), and without running any apps (in response to the Titanium reference above), the following apps not only started, but restarted when stopped: Appstore, Ebay, Elixir, Mortplayer Audio Book, MyBackup Pro, ROM Manager, Stocks, Titanium Backup, Trillian, Wordsmith, and XDA. Mind you, I am not including apps that SHOULD start up (swype, timeriffic, lookout, etc).
Why any of those apps start on power-on is beyond me, and why almost all of them are set by their respective authors to restart if they are shut down, is even more perplexing. Hence my desire to try to reign them in, especially since they are taking 20MB each of RAM. That's the story

jdmba said:
Yes - I get all that, but it bugs the heck out of me that some of these apps feel the need to auto run and worse still, are classified as "self restarter" by the recommended app.
On a cold power-up (I charge with the power off), and without running any apps (in response to the Titanium reference above), the following apps not only started, but restarted when stopped: Appstore, Ebay, Elixir, Mortplayer Audio Book, MyBackup Pro, ROM Manager, Stocks, Titanium Backup, Trillian, Wordsmith, and XDA. Mind you, I am not including apps that SHOULD start up (swype, timeriffic, lookout, etc).
Why any of those apps start on power-on is beyond me, and why almost all of them are set by their respective authors to restart if they are shut down, is even more perplexing. Hence my desire to try to reign them in, especially since they are taking 20MB each of RAM. That's the story
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Got me on a few of those, but other ones make all kinds of sense. Any app store sort of app is going to start to authenticate with the service. Amazon is known to do this abusively. The same would probably apply with audio books. MyBackup Pro is probably assuming there's a scheduled function to perform. Stocks is just part of Sense and it doesn't go away. TiBU has never started on any device I've had it on unless 1 of 2 things was the case; I ran the widget or had something scheduled. Trillian SHOULD start up because it's a chat client. If it's not running, it's not much good as a chat client. Not sure what Wordsmith is. XDA will start because it's set by default to sync on a regular basis if you're signed into it.
I don't know what to tell you. You're probably never going to find a way of permanently killing an app connected to a market, and if you do, whatever you use from that market probably won't work right. The best I can say is figure out why those apps you listed do what they do. There's probably a reason that can be fixed or better understood. Some, like Trillian, will self-start no matter what because failure to do so is a MUCH more aggravating issue than the app starting with nothing to do.

only 2 I have that aggravate me is Fbook and okcupid. understandable if both run and autostart for push capabilities but I've disabled sync and push and still runs in background vs cached in background like it's supposed to

dyetheskin said:
only 2 I have that aggravate me is Fbook and okcupid. understandable if both run and autostart for push capabilities but I've disabled sync and push and still runs in background vs cached in background like it's supposed to
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I don't think Facebook is worried about their app being accused of greatness or winning development awards!

loonatik78 said:
In a perfect world, every app on your device would start at boot and reside in RAM. I've never understood this idea that killing apps somehow conserves resources or saves power, because it does neither. In fact, it does the OPPOSITE. For instance, Trillian: Do you REALLY want to kill it whenever you're not using it, only to reopen it the next time you want to use it? That eats about 4 times more power than just leaving it running. NOTHING your cpu does eats more power than reading and writing to NAND. RAM should be as full as possible all of the time with as many apps as are recently or likely to be used. RAM operations consume FAR less power than NAND operations. Unless the app is simply an abusive piece of crap, like Amazon's market and music apps, there's usually a reason for them to run. Titanium Backup never starts unless it's got a reason to, in my experience, such as scheduled auto-backup operations. The better question to ask is why apps are starting at boot, not "Where can I get one more resource-hogging app to whip bad behavior into shape?"
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True however some of the apps that are residing in RAM, pop up and do updates and checks that do eat data and cpu than if they were killed. Most apps don't do this and typically it's bad to kill apps because the act of killing it uses CPU and especially the act of that app starting back up uses more CPU.
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RAM is not an issue so don't even consider it one, even if your RAM is full it doesn't matter. This doesn't run like Windows does where things slow down if you don't have enough RAM.
Most apps that use resources in the background I uninstall, but for others (I think I only do this to 1 app) you can use "autostarts" to disable them from starting upon launch, or stopping them from starting upon other events that may trigger an app to automatically start
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts&hl=en
It has much more control over when apps automatically launch than the other app I saw posted on the main page- also it doesn't kill them, just prevents them from starting so it's not like an app killer.
Hope this was what you were looking for.

Let it be
Just let the programs start to let the phone fully awaken
Then kill the apps with any klling apps app task killers and so on

gutiejor said:
Just let the programs start to let the phone fully awaken
Then kill the apps with any klling apps app task killers and so on
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No. Don't do this.

POQbum said:
True however some of the apps that are residing in RAM, pop up and do updates and checks that do eat data and cpu than if they were killed. Most apps don't do this and typically it's bad to kill apps because the act of killing it uses CPU and especially the act of that app starting back up uses more CPU.
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RAM is not an issue so don't even consider it one, even if your RAM is full it doesn't matter. This doesn't run like Windows does where things slow down if you don't have enough RAM.
Most apps that use resources in the background I uninstall, but for others (I think I only do this to 1 app) you can use "autostarts" to disable them from starting upon launch, or stopping them from starting upon other events that may trigger an app to automatically start
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts&hl=en
It has much more control over when apps automatically launch than the other app I saw posted on the main page- also it doesn't kill them, just prevents them from starting so it's not like an app killer.
Hope this was what you were looking for.
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I use autostarts also on startup and when I'm running I use auto memory manager both great apps

I have been using Autostarts for a long time now and am very pleased with it.

gutiejor said:
Just let the programs start to let the phone fully awaken
Then kill the apps with any klling apps app task killers and so on
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I read that this is a bad habit carried over from pre-froyo days where memory management was different and this was recommended then. I don't have a link but trust me and don't just kill stuff like that.
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How to prevent apps from getting killed

Hi all,
I'm running several apps that should run all the time (AdGuard, Network Speed Meter) or for a long time (speed trap warner,...) but OxygenOS kills them after a certain period. Some of them restart automatically, some don't. Of course all of these apps are 'not battery optimized'. Is there any chance to prevent OxygenOS from killing them?
Are there custom ROMs that can overcome this problen?
I'm on the latest OxygenOS Pie Beta, but the behavior was similar on Android O...
Thanks a lot,
W

Did you try locking the app via recents menu?

Thank for the info, didn't know that.
Unfortunately it doesn't help, Adguard and the network monitor don't appear in recents. The speed trap warner automatically starts and stops when I'm in the car, i don't want to open recents manually every time.

Battery - Battery optimisation - Don't optimise

safwankatharudheen said:
Battery - Battery optimisation - Don't optimise
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This is not changing anything,e ven with disable battery disabled, even with adaptative battery disabled.

I have the same problem. I have not found any solution whatsoever. This is really frustrating. I've made sure apps aren't optimized. Advanced optimization is disabled. Developer options background limit is at standard. I've pinned the apps in recent apps and it still happens. Apps get killed all the time.
For example,
1. I use Google Fit to start tracking a run. Within 10 minutes of tracking, the app is closed and workout not tracked. Its not even like i touched the phone and opened other apps during this.
2. I have VoIP account setup in the default dialer. Calls come through only 50% of the time cause the dialer is closed.
3. YouTube Music, constantly gets closed if i simply pause the music. Within 2 minutes, the app is closed.
4. Trying to transfer 15GB of files through Explorer app from phone to file server, never succeeds if i don't watch the app and keep the screen on.
5. Plex gets closed and therefore my photos don't auto backup with the phone is plugged in.
This is absolutely ridiculous! Why the hell a phone with 8GB of RAM is killing apps is beyond me!
Custom ROM on the same phone, like Lineage OS, no issues. Can have optimization on, battery manager on and all. In fact, battery life is better on custom when its not killing the apps! Seems to be the only solution until OOS can stop killing apps so aggressively.

M3drvr said:
I have the same problem. I have not found any solution whatsoever. This is really frustrating. I've made sure apps aren't optimized. Advanced optimization is disabled. Developer options background limit is at standard. I've pinned the apps in recent apps and it still happens. Apps get killed all the time.
For example,
1. I use Google Fit to start tracking a run. Within 10 minutes of tracking, the app is closed and workout not tracked. Its not even like i touched the phone and opened other apps during this.
2. I have VoIP account setup in the default dialer. Calls come through only 50% of the time cause the dialer is closed.
3. YouTube Music, constantly gets closed if i simply pause the music. Within 2 minutes, the app is closed.
4. Trying to transfer 15GB of files through Explorer app from phone to file server, never succeeds if i don't watch the app and keep the screen on.
5. Plex gets closed and therefore my photos don't auto backup with the phone is plugged in.
This is absolutely ridiculous! Why the hell a phone with 8GB of RAM is killing apps is beyond me!
Custom ROM on the same phone, like Lineage OS, no issues. Can have optimization on, battery manager on and all. In fact, battery life is better on custom when its not killing the apps! Seems to be the only solution until OOS can stop killing apps so aggressively.
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My app is not killed when i lock it in the switch app menu

There's a whole website regarding that issue on several devices, maybe it helps: dontkillmyapp(dot)com/general#user-solution