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I just noticed yesterday that T-mobile has a 4G network in my area and I was wondering if there was a way to force roam 4G on tmobiles network? So that I could pick up 4G.
If its possible how?
Oh and sprint needs to hurry up and put 4g everywhere
You said it yourself. T-Mobile is HSPA+, Sprint 4G is WiMax. So, no.
Naa dude. HSPA+ is not compatible with cdma(sprint). Matter of fact t-mobile is using 4G now because its "trendy" and everybody else is using it. Their network is closer to 3G in infrastructure. But thats up for debate.
That sucks like hell. There's 4G here I just can't have it. AHHHHHHH!!!
Well if its like 3G I guess I'm not missing much.
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Naa dude. HSPA+ is not compatible with cdma(sprint). Matter of fact t-mobile is using 4G now because its "trendy" and everybody else is using it. Their network is closer to 3G in infrastructure. But thats up for debate.
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You are on the money. HSPA+ is no more than an upgrade to existing 3G technology. If I remember right, it only has a theoretical max of 54 Mbps down. It is not, nor will it ever be, 4G.
Granted, the current 802.16e standard of WiMax is not 4G either...just waiting for that 802.16m standard to be finalized =). Which once that is complete, infrastructure can be updated and we should be able to utilize it with a simple firmware update.
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That sucks like hell. There's 4G here I just can't have it. AHHHHHHH!!!
Well if its like 3G I guess I'm not missing much.
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No its way faster than your normal 3G. Faster than WIMAX too. Its nothing to pull down 7 or 8 Mb.
I bet it's better on battery than wimax is on ours.
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I bet it's better on battery than wimax is on ours.
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It uses the same radio for voice. The EVO has a separate 4G radio thats has to be activated and scan then connect. So 2 radios running at the same time would use more battery than 1 GSM radio running. Also CDMA has a tendency to use more battery when searching for signal in low signal areas.
Having installed T-mobiles 3g upgrade here in Chicago market back in 2008, I can say definitively that HSPA is just a radio cabinet addition to the existing cellular framework. Depending on the layout of the tower/site, "Flex radios" handle the data on 1, or sometimes more antennae, while the voice travels over GSM through remaining antennae. Very similar to ATT infrastructure, but tiny radios handling big bandwidth.
Having said all that, 4G is a silly buzzword that Sprint started, and T-mobile is now exploiting.
In a way, Sprint is just using extra radios on top of their existing 3G cellular, and just integrating the enhanced data speeds of Clearwire's network into their own.
T-mobile's speeds are indeed fast both HSPA and HSPA+, but to call them 4g may be overstating it, as it is just an upgrade to their existing technology, and not a new technology.
As another poster stated, nobody officially has 4g yet, not even Sprint, and until the 802.16 commission finalizes and LTE is launched we still won't.
To re-emphasize to the OP, not a chance, and don't believe the hype.
I can see sprint(or clear) and T-mobile going to bed for some real 4G'ness.
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I can see sprint(or clear) and T-mobile going to bed for some real 4G'ness.
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Yeah, I heard a rumor that Sprint may eventually adopt LTE.... It makes sense.
Wimax will make a great backhaul, and could stay in place, not to mention supporting cities and rural areas. But LTE will be the big daddy, and similar to WiMax, works on it's own and should be seamlessly integrated on top of cellular.
I'm not sure but I think it can work with CDMA or GSM, hooray for global WiFi!
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Yeah, I heard a rumor that Sprint may eventually adopt LTE.... It makes sense.
Wimax will make a great backhaul, and could stay in place, not to mention supporting cities and rural areas. But LTE will be the big daddy, and similar to WiMax, works on it's own and should be seamlessly integrated on top of cellular.
I'm not sure but I think it can work with CDMA or GSM, hooray for global WiFi!
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I wouldn't count on LTE on Sprint just yet. Hesse denounced it last week; however, Sprint, Clearwire, Google, Time-Warner, and a couple others purchased Spectrum not only in the 2.5 GHz, but the 2.3 GHz band also. So the bandwidth is there and, in the past, Hesse has been quoted saying they can easily switch to LTE if need be.
Edit: http://gigaom.com/2010/10/29/sprint-ceo-dan-hesse-on-clearwire-lte-wimax/
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I wouldn't count on LTE on Sprint just yet. Hesse denounced it last week; however, Sprint, Clearwire, Google, Time-Warner, and a couple others purchased Spectrum not only in the 2.5 GHz, but the 2.3 GHz band also. So the bandwidth is there and, in the past, Hesse has been quoted saying they can easily switch to LTE if need be.
Edit: http://gigaom.com/2010/10/29/sprint-ceo-dan-hesse-on-clearwire-lte-wimax/
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Thanks for the info.
I think the most important thing in the article is that LTE can happen if necessary.
Sorry for getting off topic.
Does verizon and sprint use the same 3g bands? I have an evo but i want to flash my thunderbolt to sprint. Don't tell me its illegal, I'm not asking how to flash, i just want to know if I can use 3g from the thunderbolt on sprint. I know I wont get 4g, I'm fine with 3g.
How else do you think people roam on Verizon 3G? Of course they're the same bands. Doing a little bit of research on Wikipedia would've told you that. However, you will not be able to use LTE; different frequency, and different technology.
To be honest, there's not all that much different from the EVO and Thunderbolt of much consequence when you get rid of LTE/WiMax.
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How else do you think people roam on Verizon 3G? Of course they're the same bands. Doing a little bit of research on Wikipedia would've told you that. However, you will not be able to use LTE; different frequency, and different technology.
To be honest, there's not all that much different from the EVO and Thunderbolt of much consequence when you get rid of LTE/WiMax.
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I still have t-mobile haha i dont know anything about cdma yet. I have yet to sell my hd7, hd2, and my mytouch 4g
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How else do you think people roam on Verizon 3G? Of course they're the same bands. Doing a little bit of research on Wikipedia would've told you that.
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Actually, not 100% true. Sprint is using the 1900 MHz band almost exclusively for 3G. They do have 800MHz spectrum, but it's running iDEN (for now). Verizon uses both the 800MHz band and the 1900MHz band, but I think that they have more of their network on 800MHz. But most (if not all) CDMA phones are dual band and can use 3G in either the 1900 or the 800MHz bands.
So the answer is indeed that the Evo can work on either. But the majority of their networks are actually on different bands.
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Actually, not 100% true. Sprint is using the 1900 MHz band almost exclusively for 3G. They do have 800MHz spectrum, but it's running iDEN (for now). Verizon uses both the 800MHz band and the 1900MHz band, but I think that they have more of their network on 800MHz. But most (if not all) CDMA phones are dual band and can use 3G in either the 1900 or the 800MHz bands.
So the answer is indeed that the Evo can work on either. But the majority of their networks are actually on different bands.
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So if i throw a verizon prl on the evo ill be using their towers
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So if i throw a verizon prl on the evo ill be using their towers
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I've never done it, so I don't know all the details. But I think basically yes.
You have T-mobile right now but you want to get a Thunderbolt and run in on the Sprint network?
Now if you are wanting to have true Sprint service you won't be able to do it. Sprint will only activate phones that are on their list of ESNs.
If you are wanting to have a Thunderbolt activated on Verizon but roaming to Sprint then yes, you can. You will have to get a Sprint PRL and flash it on your Thunderbolt.
However, after your most recent post it sounds like you are wanting to get an Evo and flash a Verizon PRL, so I'm lost.
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You have T-mobile right now but you want to get a Thunderbolt and run in on the Sprint network?
Now if you are wanting to have true Sprint service you won't be able to do it. Sprint will only activate phones that are on their list of ESNs.
If you are wanting to have a Thunderbolt activated on Verizon but roaming to Sprint then yes, you can. You will have to get a Sprint PRL and flash it on your Thunderbolt.
However, after your most recent post it sounds like you are wanting to get an Evo and flash a Verizon PRL, so I'm lost.
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I'm a little lost too, but he said he's not concerned with what's illegal and what's not, so there technically would be a way to activate a Thunderbolt on Sprint.
BUT...I just wouldn't bother. 4G is a very nice feature of both phones. If you want to be on Sprint, get the Evo. If you want to be on VZW, get the Thunderbolt. They're going to be pretty similar, though yes, the Thunderbolt's specs do beat the Evo's by some margin. I don't see a reason to mess around with missing out on a key feature (4G) and losing out on warranty and carrier support, when you can get similar devices on either network.
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I'm a little lost too, but he said he's not concerned with what's illegal and what's not, so there technically would be a way to activate a Thunderbolt on Sprint.
BUT...I just wouldn't bother. 4G is a very nice feature of both phones. If you want to be on Sprint, get the Evo. If you want to be on VZW, get the Thunderbolt. They're going to be pretty similar, though yes, the Thunderbolt's specs do beat the Evo's by some margin. I don't see a reason to mess around with missing out on a key feature (4G) and losing out on warranty and carrier support, when you can get similar devices on either network.
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unless of course you live in the middle of no where...
Ok let me clear this up I'm on t mobile and I'm switching to Sprint's network temporarily (boost mobile/virgin mobile). I was getting sick of the small screen on my mytouch 4g so I got a hd2 to run android off of. I really missed all of the features of my hd7, so I got an Evo. But since the newer version is coming out, the thunderbolt, I was wondering if its worth the switch because ill be keeping that phone for 6+ months.
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Is the T-Mobile G2 or HTC Desire Z open for 4G networking? I was going through my billing information and it said additional $20.00 for 4G services but at the top of my phone it says 3G? IDK if it is because of root etc. But I was wondering if this phone is 4G. Leave comments and please support my question. Thanks ahead!
Mine runs 4G, so yes its open to it.
The G2 supports HSPA+ on T-mobiles '4g' network.
Or are you wanting to buy the desire Z and use it in the US?
And you shouldnt be getting billed extra for 4G. That's Sprints thing.
I think on the G2, "H" shows "4G" services.. I could be wrong though. I have a Desire Z.
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Or are you wanting to buy the desire Z and use it in the US?
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They have the same radios apart from frequencies. I believe the Desire Z is more suited for AT&t bands?? [EDIT: Wrong, DZ is UTMS 900/2100]
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And you shouldnt be getting billed extra for 4G. That's Sprints thing.
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Thats daylight robbery if you are!! On this phone, "4G" isn't any more than "3G" HSDPA with a higher uplink speed, Thats good marketing on their part.
I used to switch off HSDPA (HSPA+) on my phones for much better battery life.
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Should I contact T-Mobile. Because it charges me on my billing but i don't have it... If I ask would they disapprove of helping me because of my rooted phone. Could.this just be an error?
I heard somewhere on xda that sometimes "H" shows when you are still only on 3G, that they were overemphasizing the H instead of the G or something of that nature.
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Should I contact T-Mobile. Because it charges me on my billing but i don't have it... If I ask would they disapprove of helping me because of my rooted phone. Could.this just be an error?
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Thats your call mate, I don't know how T-Mobile USA does its billing. That could be your data plan or something. However, I dont think they'd disapprove about the rooted phone TBH, just don't tell them. You could confirm you're in a "4G" (HSPA+) area with a simple query. Also, if its a custom ROM (Cyanogen etc) ask in their thread to see if they have a similar issue.
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I heard somewhere on xda that sometimes "H" shows when you are still only on 3G, that they were overemphasizing the H instead of the G or something of that nature.
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Yeah, I'd heard similar. On the UK stock Desire Z it constantly sits at "3G" until data is in use then it negotiates "H" (depends on network support) A very good battery saving feature if you've ever used Windows Mobile phones!
Craig
So what is the average speed everyone is seeing?
I just went on a month-long road trip, taking my G2 out of the new orleans hspa coverage area for the first time, and I noticed a marked difference between hspa (H) and 3G (G) coverage. And edge might as well be no connection at all, it would seem. My friend uses verizons cdma networks, and while a lot of times he didnt have data connectivity either, he at least had phone capability, which was more than i could say for t-mobiles gsm. but now that im out of the desert and back in the city, my phone is the rad again.
The Desire Z/G2 does NOT have 4G or/and "4G".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_HSPA
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The Desire Z/G2 does NOT have 4G or/and "4G".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_HSPA
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nothing you can buy today meets the technical definition for '4g' and nothing will for quite awhile.
my G2 is just as fast as my Friends EVO on Wimax, and my friends Thunderbolt on LTE. so as far as me and the general consumer should be concerned the G2 is a 4G phone because it offers significantly faster data speeds compared to 3G only devices.
So does or does it not? Who is most sure because I here different answers about the T-Mobile G2 being 4G. I am using MIUI and is this a known problem for them because there is no MIUI forum section, I need all the help I can get!!!
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So does or does it not? Who is most sure because I here different answers about the T-Mobile G2 being 4G. I am using MIUI and is this a known problem for them because there is no MIUI forum section, I need all the help I can get!!!
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the problem is the definition of 4G. there isn't one.
the G2 is hspa+ capable, if you have a signal.
verizons LTE is multitudes faster up and down.
there is _NO_ such thing as 4G.
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So does or does it not? Who is most sure because I here different answers about the T-Mobile G2 being 4G. I am using MIUI and is this a known problem for them because there is no MIUI forum section, I need all the help I can get!!!
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So you're asking this because of the billing, right?
I assume you are seeing this on the bill (or something similar): "4G Web Unlimited $30.00"
That's just the way Tmo describes the "unlimited web" on the bill. I don't *think* there's any difference between the dollar amount for say the G2 and the MyTouch 3G, for the data plan.
And, for what it's worth, I'm seeing up to 10mbps down and *up to* 4mbps upload around here... That's close enough to true 4G for my purposes. Beats the pooh outta my DSL line
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So you're asking this because of the billing, right?
I assume you are seeing this on the bill (or something similar): "4G Web Unlimited $30.00"
That's just the way Tmo describes the "unlimited web" on the bill. I don't *think* there's any difference between the dollar amount for say the G2 and the MyTouch 3G, for the data plan.
And, for what it's worth, I'm seeing up to 10mbps down and *up to* 4mbps upload around here... That's close enough to true 4G for my purposes. Beats the pooh outta my DSL line
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There isn't. Even if you have a ****ty ten dollar feature phone, your gonna pay thirty bux and its gonna say 4g on the bill.
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I AM VS4 said:
So does or does it not? Who is most sure because I here different answers about the T-Mobile G2 being 4G. I am using MIUI and is this a known problem for them because there is no MIUI forum section, I need all the help I can get!!!
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For the purpose or your original question yes, its "4G" capable, in a "4G" area it should be showing "H". Someone who uses the MIUI rom may be able to confirm this. On the stock DZ rom, "H" is both HSDPA and HSPA+
The confusion comes from the definition of "4G" or the lack of! The ITU who maintain telephony standards define "4G" as LTE-Advanced or WIMAX (802.16m). T-Mobile successfully argued with the law that they could market their HSPA+ offering as "4G" on their "new network" which in reality is just a simple upgrade.
For the record, speedtest reports about 3Mbps down and 1Mbps up which is quite respectable. I believe its on HSPA+ at 14.4Mbps.
Okay I get it! They are charging me for the coverage and capability. This means that the phone is cabable. But how come it says 3G though I'm still a little concerned even though it is possible for me to have 4G how come I am paying for something I don't have. Is says 3G loud and clear! At no point has it said 4G but why is it that I am paying for it?! But I do understand your answers... Just answer me that question..
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Okay I get it! They are charging me for the coverage and capability. This means that the phone is cabable. But how come it says 3G though I'm still a little concerned even though it is possible for me to have 4G how come I am paying for something I don't have. Is says 3G loud and clear! At no point has it said 4G but why is it that I am paying for it?! But I do understand your answers... Just answer me that question..
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The 3G vs 4G vs H vs H+ is potentially just a matter of graphics or icons?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=993824
*edit: you appear to be in Houston, so you should be covered by HSDPA*
Download "Speedtest" app, by Ookla, and run a couple tests. See what you get for speeds.
In settings - about - network what does it say?
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only 3.5g
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Hi,
I just bought a samsung galaxy nexus i515 verizon 4G LTE cell phone. I came to know that 4G phone does not work with page plus without programming/hacking(?) . Is it possible to make this cell work with pageplus? I do not need 4g or 3g . Just talk and text is fine.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks!
Paras.
Is pageplus GSM? If so then for sure no. If pageplus is CDMA then still no, at least I haven't heard of one CDMA phone being used on another CDMA carrier. To my knowledge the only carrier VZW phones can be used on is VZW, except for the few VZW "global" phones that also support GSM.
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Is pageplus GSM? If so then for sure no. If pageplus is CDMA then still no, at least I haven't heard of one CDMA phone being used on another CDMA carrier. To my knowledge the only carrier VZW phones can be used on is VZW, except for the few VZW "global" phones that also support GSM.
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Well pageplus is CDMA and uses VZW network. But when I called them they said 4G phones do not work and needs some programming to make it work on their 3G network. I am not sure what do I do.
Paras.
Oh I see. Very interesting, but over my head. I will keep this thread subscribed.:good:
They didn't offer any other info or leads as to how to go about doing this? How do they program other phones to their network? Seems like the LTE would only make it easier to activate, unless they do not have any LTE towers in place.
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Oh I see. Very interesting, but over my head. I will keep this thread subscribed.:good:
They didn't offer any other info or leads as to how to go about doing this? How do they program other phones to their network? Seems like the LTE would only make it easier to activate, unless they do not have any LTE towers in place.
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Any one? SO no way to make GNX verizon to work on pageplus?
I will hate to return this neat phone.
Paras.
pradhanparas said:
Any one? SO no way to make GNX verizon to work on pageplus?
I will hate to return this neat phone.
Paras.
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ive never done it, but this might be a good place to start
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1696621
Hey All,
I've placed a Tmobile sim in my Att unlocked GS3. Ive seen many posts stating that the Att version wont get 4g on tmobile but 4g works fine for me; regularly I can get 5 to 10mb downloads. My issue though is that Im sometimes dropping from 4g to 2g/Edge then back to 4g. Should my phone be dropping to 3g instead ? Im quite shocked when it happens since I usually had strong 4g not far away at all.
Is the general consensus to to simply get a Tmobile device instead of bringing something from at&t? I really dont want to root the phone or flash roms at this point since Im just testing out the service.
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Hey All,
I've placed a Tmobile sim in my Att unlocked GS3. Ive seen many posts stating that the Att version wont get 4g on tmobile but 4g works fine for me; regularly I can get 5 to 10mb downloads. My issue though is that Im sometimes dropping from 4g to 2g/Edge then back to 4g. Should my phone be dropping to 3g instead ? Im quite shocked when it happens since I usually had strong 4g not far away at all.
Is the general consensus to to simply get a Tmobile device instead of bringing something from at&t? I really dont want to root the phone or flash roms at this point since Im just testing out the service.
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You are in a refarmed market from the sound of it. The reason you go from 4g to EDGE is because the refarmed spectrum is most likely not through your entire coverage area.
T-Mobile uses the 1700 band, which at&t does not support, as their primary 4G deployment. This is why it is always recommended to get a T-Mobile S3.
That said, there is a firmware image for at&t's GS3 that unlocks T-Mobiles AWS band not just for 4G but for LTE as well. It is in the at&t forum - you will have to read the entire thread to get the relevant files and information on how to do it. Note that this CAN brick your phone permanently so only attempt it if you are willing to take that chance and you are familiar with download mode and ODIN.
The upside of using that hack is that the T-Mobile S3 doesn't support LTE at all.
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Thanks for the clarification and info about the hack. Assuming I get a Tmobile device, should I expect to see a 3g icon instead or would it still say 4g?
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Thanks for the clarification and info about the hack. Assuming I get a Tmobile device, should I expect to see a 3g icon instead or would it still say 4g?
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It'll say 4g.. A 4g icon really means 3g/h+ and a 4g lte icon means lte
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Thanks!
Here is the link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1771021&page=25 Start reading from post #246