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ROM chef as requested his work not be shown here. Thread has also been closed.
wow, thanks man
See the previous thread, specifically the last post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311334
The chef has requested that his ROM not be mirrored from XDA Developers. I think we should respect his request.
micro$oft have do the same request...
so please let mirror this rom...
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wow, thanks man
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you're welcome
Is the revised version now on the mirror? With the fix to the HSDPA comm?
Can't get to their portal to see updates .
The original Shadow.exe file available on the official site has been replaced by a Shadow.rar file (new version) so I have removed the Shadow.exe from my mirror too.
In other terms ... LATEST VERSION COME AND GET IT WHILE IT LASTS !!!
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See the previous thread, specifically the last post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311334
The chef has requested that his ROM not be mirrored from XDA Developers. I think we should respect his request.
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He deserves NO respect.
Well OK... as a chef hes a genius, as a person, with his attitude, he deserves NOTHING.
I'm sure MS would prefer us not to talk about their stuff, I'm sure the operators would prefer us not to talk about their stuff.
What right does he have to ask this?
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The original Shadow.exe file available on the official site has been replaced by a Shadow.rar file (new version) so I have removed the Shadow.exe from my mirror too.
In other terms ... LATEST VERSION COME AND GET IT WHILE IT LASTS !!!
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great! thanks so much!!
Hey all, does anyone know if this is the fixed version resolving the dll conflict and startup issues? I would go to the 4winmobile black forum but it's down at the moment... been down for an hour or so... I think they're upgrading their forum software...
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He deserves NO respect.
Well OK... as a chef hes a genius, as a person, with his attitude, he deserves NOTHING.
I'm sure MS would prefer us not to talk about their stuff, I'm sure the operators would prefer us not to talk about their stuff.
What right does he have to ask this?
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A little respect and a THANK YOU to the creator of what you are now reading and wanting to download and use wouldn't hurt you know. I'm not in anyway affiliated with JJ, but I do respect his wishes since we are the ones sitting around waiting for him to finish this colossal task of cooking a ROM for us... at least we can say thanks and not attack him on top..... my 0.02...
[edit] by the way, even if 4winmobile.com is down, his site http://wmblack.info/ which has the 100% latest download is up
OK JJ already requested that HIS ROM not be mirrored on anything else.
This thread will be closed.
I know http://wmblack.info/ may have the latest release but the http://wmblack.info/ website doesn't tell us if the release has the dll conflict and soft reset issues resolved (hang during shadow splash). just wondering if this release is OK. I'm sure there are plenty of users waiting for this release to stabilize before going through the install process and then discover my hermes just hangs at some splash screen and have to go through the cycle of doing soft and hard resets....
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A little respect and a THANK YOU to the creator of what you are now reading and wanting to download and use wouldn't hurt you know. I'm not in anyway affiliated with JJ, but I do respect his wishes since we are the ones sitting around waiting for him to finish this colossal task of cooking a ROM for us... at least we can say thanks and not attack him on top..... my 0.02...
[edit] by the way, even if 4winmobile.com is down, his site http://wmblack.info/ which has the 100% latest download is up
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Downloaded from Wmblack.info about an hour ago.
Flashed the Rom and no problems.
Nice.
But have removed the HTC homeplugin. Preferred my own combination, but a nice try.
Re the ROM discussion on XDA - whilst I am a fan of JJ I do not see how trying to restrict discussion on here is practical or the logic in it. As long as everyone is aware that if you want to feedback to JJ and recieve support from JJ then you need to do it on the official website. People can chat about the ROM wherever they like, they may just be misinformed or not receive any help, but that is their choice.
I do not think that trying to block additional mirrors will be practical although as I have not had any problems with the main downoad page, so not sure why mirrors are needed.
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OK JJ already requested that HIS ROM not be mirrored on anything else.
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Says who?
and why the hell should it be closed?
Whats so special about a jumped up little **** who took his ball in and went home in a huff?
As I said in my first post - as a chef, hes great. I have no problem with that, but his arsey stuck up arrogant attitude makes me sick.
So tell me.... We cook and mess with ROMS. Its all frowned upon, and let we discuss it.
Why the hell should we be banned in case he gets his knickers in a twist?
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Says who?
and why the hell should it be closed?
Whats so special about a jumped up little **** who took his ball in and went home in a huff?
As I said in my first post - as a chef, hes great. I have no problem with that, but his arsey stuck up arrogant attitude makes me sick.
So tell me.... We cook and mess with ROMS. Its all frowned upon, and let we discuss it.
Why the hell should we be banned in case he gets his knickers in a twist?
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im reaching for kleenex tissue right now.
Hey JJ,
Why are you reading this rubbish instead of catching up on some sleep and explaining to the mrs why it was really all worth it?
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Hey JJ,
Why are you reading this rubbish instead of catching up on some sleep and explaining to the mrs why it was really all worth it?
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Because hes a fraud.
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im reaching for kleenex tissue right now.
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You really need to save them for the next time you end up cracking one off over photos of yourself don't you?
Seriously: I thought you were fairly decent. Why did you have to get lost up your own backside?
EDIT: Everyone, including you, knows you are good at what you do, but arrogance is a horrible quality to have.
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You really need to save them for the next time you end up cracking one off over photos of yourself don't you?
Seriously: I thought you were fairly decent. Why did you have to get lost up your own backside?
EDIT: Everyone, including you, knows you are good at what you do, but arrogance is a horrible quality to have.
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Did JJ break a promise to you? Did he get your sister pregnant? Did he welch on a major business deal with you?
I simply cannot understand why you are so aerated about his decision to host and support his free roms elsewhere...
I've found another one with the same problem
forums.androidandme.com/topic/htc-desire-volume-problems
I'm happy that I decided to give it back within 30 days money back period. Now it is not my problem any more it is yours : )
to be fair, that forum link you posted was a month ago, with only 3 replies (2 from the OP), this doesnt mean that every hTC desire will have the same problem...
i dont believe that every smartphone, are free of problems...
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to be fair, that forum link you posted was a month ago, with only 3 replies (2 from the OP), this doesnt mean that every hTC desire will have the same problem...
i dont believe that every smartphone, are free of problems...
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just look on first page of this subforum. Overheating, horrible frame rate to name a few problems. Buy and pray : )
And yes - other phones aren't better is a good argument for those who cannot give it back : )
The link you gave indicated that the issue was a hardware fault with the rocker, and that it was replaced, so given that you've returned your Desire, I wonder why you keep on posting here?
Regards,
Dave
Must be lucky to have a perfectly running Desire with 2 days usage out of it each charge!!
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The link you gave indicated that the issue was a hardware fault with the rocker, and that it was replaced, so given that you've returned your Desire, I wonder why you keep on posting here?
Regards,
Dave
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to let google syndicate it. You noticed I put the full name of the device for better results. And it is also fun to read your replies : )
btw htc sues apple! Apple has stolen volume rocker problem : )
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The link you gave indicated that the issue was a hardware fault with the rocker, and that it was replaced, so given that you've returned your Desire, I wonder why you keep on posting here?
Regards,
Dave
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Your device had a hardware fault and you returned it. Sorry you had a bad experience but we get it. This thread needs to be closed just like that other one you started today.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680647
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Your device had a hardware fault and you returned it. Sorry you had a bad experience but we get it. This thread needs to be closed just like that other one you started today.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680647
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right, who do not own the phone is not allowed to speak about it and has to be banned : )
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to let google syndicate it. You noticed I put the full name of the device for better results. And it is also fun to read your replies : )
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Wow! So that's two devices with a confirmed rocker switch issue. Hardly endemic is it?
I don't question your right to post here - I just question why you would want to when you no longer have any vested interest in the device. At the moment, you're looking increasing like a troll, and that's what will end up getting you banned if you continue down this route.
Regards,
Dave
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And it is also fun to read your replies : )
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
Flux, with the greatest of respect. You are a poor excuse for a troll, and have nothing of value to contribute here.
Why bother posting when you have returned your handset and hate it so much? You are no longer a member of the HTC Desire community, so I'd suggest you jog on to whatever bridge you reside under and leave the adults to carry on helping eachother here.
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and have nothing of value to contribute here.
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have you?
No the point of this topic is to show that my problem has nothing to do with the wrong software settings, nothing to do with me dropping the phone onto the flour or drowning it in a drink. IT IS really a badly designed hardware and if it is badly designed you'll recall this topic soon : )
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I'm happy that I decided to give it back within 30 days money back period. Now it is not my problem any more it is yours : )
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just look on first page of this subforum. Overheating, horrible frame rate to name a few problems. Buy and pray : )
And yes - other phones aren't better is a good argument for those who cannot give it back : )
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Neither of the above quotes show you are serious about trying to resolve any issues. They show that you are childish.
It's a pity that you had a faulty handset, you can either get over the fact that it was faulty, and you have your money back. Or you can become bitter and try to poison everyone else against them. Either way, if you feel you need to continue posting here, at least make your posts constructive and useful.
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Neither of the above quotes show you are serious about trying to resolve any issues. They show that you are childish.
It's a pity that you had a faulty handset, you can either get over the fact that it was faulty, and you have your money back. Or you can become bitter and try to poison everyone else against them. Either way, if you feel you need to continue posting here, at least make your posts constructive and useful.
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the topic is constructive! Open your eyes! But the way you all are trying to shut me up makes me laugh : )
Well enjoy your phone now and start creating constructive topics : )
Flux, I think your point of view has been expressed enough. Why do you keep making posts flaming the device. I understand you had a bad time with yours, but it happens. No device or product has a 100% fault-less history. Things happen, faults happen, defects happen. It doesn't make a product bad or useless. Your point has been made, there is no reason to continue posting about the same issue over and over. If you dislike the phone, that's fine... all you're doing posting about the same issue continually is wasting your time, and everyone else's time. Even if you are just trying to "troll"... is your time really worth SO little?
uh, more ppl becoming affected. Just on the first page
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=689302
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=689359
And the usb connector problem
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=689367
You know somehow "I told you so" just doesn't quite say it
Perhaps you would like to contact every desire owner and ask them if they have the same problems?
Remember that nearly everyone here is here because they have a problem, or want information. The thousands of happy desire owners aren't here because, lets face it, no one really says to themselves "oh great my handset is working perfectly, lets go on an internet forum and tell everyone".
Unless you have a decent poll of happy and unhappy users, then unfortunately you are just making yourself look silly.
I have just one word: troll!
Really? Go make something useful
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Wait, what is this exactly?
Dude, where the hell have you been? There has always been a working froyo since day one. You are totally ignorant to figure that out just now..
Thanks for the kind words. I Know 2.2 has been here for awhile, but I have never been able to get it running properly till now.
A little harsh Hello? Also your breaking the ToS or whatever they call here with that tone... I would edit your post if I was you. Why your editing, why not reduce your silly signature size at the same time.
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A little harsh Hello? Also your breaking the ToS or whatever they call here with that tone... I would edit your post if I was you. Why your editing, why not reduce your silly signature size at the same time.
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For sure but then you know what happens when you feed a troll.
Your comment doesn't even fit in the context of the first post, so what's your point? Your lack of caring in no way outweighs our lack of caring, so I guess we are at an impasse. Conclusion, these are the very same files you will find on the latest linux kernel zImages and modules website
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For sure but then you know what happens when you feed a troll.
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If you don't have anything better to say, don't say anything. Unless you want to turn this into a flaming war on here which I highly doubt it.
btw jz3 you just edited your first post so I guess you finally realized they are more builds out there and not just one.
thanks gona try it out
What is this exactly? Where did you get this system build from? It looks like stinebd's stock build, which i label as "reference" since its untouched.
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Don't believe the posts below, this is NOT Reefs build! See thumbnails below.
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Whose build is it then?
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What is this? The exact same thing as in my thread? lol.... wow ive seen it all now.
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Hmm, just got back into town and see the bashing continues. Reef, did you actually download and examine my file to come to this conclusion? I will take the high road here since I did appreciate Reef's dedication to this project. Thanks Serren & lordstrife for my back. This is my last post on these forums walking away disgusted.
no no no no no... i dont wanna see this. lets remember our common goals.
did anyone try this yet? i couldnt get it running just yet but i keep getting errors after the keyboard selection when i press run android.
havnt had too much time to tweak, but hey... cant we all jus get along? unity friends
hello00 said:
If you don't have anything better to say, don't say anything. Unless you want to turn this into a flaming war on here which I highly doubt it.
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Take your own advice!
I've been running Xdandroid for 3 months. I don't remember when I updated to 2.2..I believe it was July. All of my IPhone Geekers are asking me how to Jailbreak there devices(I haven't got a clue and don't plan on it). It is great work here and I am excited, looking forward to continuos great work. Positive injection..
Sent from my MSM
HTC Tilt 2
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I've been running Xdandroid for 3 months. I don't remember when I updated to 2.2..I believe it was July. All of my IPhone Geekers are asking me how to Jailbreak there devices(I haven't got a clue and don't plan on it). It is great work here and I am excited, looking forward to continuos great work. Positive injection..
Sent from my MSM
HTC Tilt 2
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Tell your
Iphone friends to goto jailbreak me.com on their iPhones and follow the directions.
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This is my last post on these forums walking away disgusted.
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Good. We are all disgusted when people steal things and try to claim them as their own.
Maybe if you said where it came from, how you put it together, or highlighted HOW it's different from other builds that are already posted, we would be MUCH more receptive... But from your first post, it just looks like you stole it and tried to pass it off as something you built. That is just shameful, and will NOT be tolerated on this forum.
I didnt see any claim of ownership, unless the post was edited.
A history of the files and such of course would be helpful. And credit given to those who actually created the files is a no-brainer.
But still, I know XDA is the "big leagues", but cant we be a bit nicer? For all we know, this guy could be the next big thing. Just saying...
he edited his first post saying that he has a working froyo he never said it was his but it looked like it since he hasn't given any credit to whomever that build belongs to
in the OP he said it was not reef's build. He's not taking credit, but he's not giving it either, which is probably what bothered most of the people in this thread.
Only the guilty run like cowards IMO.
Roast him !!!
Can the M8 shoot Raw in lollipop ?
If yes can someone post a sample of both front and rear camera.
Need Samples to extract data to fix raw for the non GPE m8 still on kit kat
thanks .
Bumping as I have the same question.
I am running CM12 nightly based on Android 5.0.2 and I would love to be able to shoot RAW with my HTC ONE M8.
I'm a photographer, and as far as I know the cameras on phones don't have that... RAW capability because they lack the sensor that RAW uses. However it seems theirs an app that does its best to use the sensors on the camera to get RAW (Just not as good as a standard camera)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.pro
download it and give it a try?
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I'm a photographer, and as far as I know the cameras on phones don't have that... RAW capability because they lack the sensor that RAW uses. However it seems theirs an app that does its best to use the sensors on the camera to get RAW (Just not as good as a standard camera)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.pro
download it and give it a try?
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I guess this app won't work. I wont risk my money just to try it.
* Requires Android 5.0+ and a fully compliant Camera2 implementation. Currently only LG Nexus 5 and Motorola Nexus 6.
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I guess this app won't work. I wont risk my money just to try it.
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Thats true, you could always get a refund but... its iffy. I'm currently beating on that HTC hasn't implemented a RAW update.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2760705
Raw capability is nothing to do with the sensor! On any camera or phone! It just means the device stores the data created by the sensor as it is captured, rather than post processing the output and compressing it to a jpg file!
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Raw capability is nothing to do with the sensor! On any camera or phone! It just means the device stores the data created by the sensor as it is captured, rather than post processing the output and compressing it to a jpg file!
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"Thanks" for bumping a thread that has been dead for 9 months, so you can not-answer the questions posed by the OP.
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"Thanks" for bumping a thread that has been dead for 9 months, so you can not-answer the questions posed by the OP.
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You are welcome - Maybe now it will get answered!
This is the problem with forums around the interweb... Threads that are left open with incorrect information in them - Is it any wonder people struggle to find the correct information they require. Or spend hours reading multipage threads that don't help.
I also hate it when forum lurkers jump on people for not using google - It's usually google that brought them their in the first place! If you know the answer already exists, link them to it, if not keep the sarcasm to yourself! Or at least give them a specific search term to use in google!
If someone in the street asked you where the nearest post office was, would you feck them off with a 'go search google', or would you help them out??? If lots of people asked you this question obviously there is a problem with signage. Its way to easy to be flippant when sat behind a keyboard and monitor! Treat people on the net the way you would in person!
If the thread is too old to reply to, it should be closed! If it is solved it should be closed! If not, which it isn't, keep your waste of characters to yourself! My post may well be late, but it was factual and OT if not an answer to the OP, it was correcting a misconception of the OP that RAW capability is something sensor specific, when infact it is software and memory speed/capacity specific!
RAW capture is basically that, your saving the 'raw' data stream as it came from the sensor, and not a compressed and lossy version/interpretation of that data! For that you usually need high speed and fairly large capacity RAM/storage.
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I also hate it when forum lurkers jump on people for not using google - It's usually google that brought them their in the first place! If you know the answer already exists, link them to it, if not keep the sarcasm to yourself! Or at least give them a specific search term to use in google!
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"Forum lurker", that's funny. My credentials speak for themselves as a helpful member of this community.
I never said anything about using Google, so you seem to be making up stuff in your head. Or incorrectly transposing your some other previous negative experience onto me.
You're getting far too defensive. I didn't insult you or call you names (which is more than can be said for you - the irony in your "hiding behind the keyboard" statement). I simply pointed out, entirely factually, that you dug up an old obscure thread, and then didn't even answer the main question posed. I tiny bit of sarcasm with the quotes around "Thank you" but that's it.
Its not anything I would shy away from saying to someone's face IRL.
And expecting someone to use some common sense when posting is hardly asking too much.
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"Forum lurker", that's funny. My credentials speak for themselves as a helpful member of this community.
I never said anything about using Google, so you seem to be making up stuff in your head. Or incorrectly transposing your some other previous negative experience onto me.
You're getting far too defensive. I didn't insult you or call you names (which is more than can be said for you - the irony in your "hiding behind the keyboard" statement). I simply pointed out, entirely factually, that you dug up an old obscure thread, and then didn't even answer the main question posed. I tiny bit of sarcasm with the quotes around "Thank you" but that's it.
Its not anything I would shy away from saying to someone's face IRL.
And expecting someone to use some common sense when posting is hardly asking too much.
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I did bring up some generic forum fails, and those comments admittedly were never intended to be directed at you personally.
For that sir please accept my apologies.
I had been trying to find something and had spent a few hours trawling threads to no avail. I have been a member of many forums going back almost 20 years, and all too many times have I seen long term members being hostile to 'new' or less knowledgeable people because they can't google - well google is now over run with search results from forum threads that lead nowhere because of this very attitude. Perpetuating the problem!
It was the thing about the thread being old, I've seen it many times before. SO WHAT, its old!
Isaac Newtons theories are old, but if someone today found something that required a correction, do you think they wouldn't bother?
The information I added to this 'old' thread is relevant and may be even educational to anyone else who may stumble upon it.
Maybe admins should automatically lock threads older than 3 months?!?! Would that be a good thing - Probably not!
I will leave it at that now, and be sure not to post on here in anything less than a current thread!
I understand not wanting to "devalue" the Thanks feature. I get that. But consider this scenario:
You get a brand new phone (like, my new LG G3!). You need a guide to how to hack that specific device, which may need a guide just to figure out which guide to use if there are carrier specific models! You need to figure out how to unlock the bootloader, which requires rolling back the firmware, using a flashing tool, installing a new image, etc. Then you need to root. Then you need a recovery environment. Then you need a ROM, and perhaps a kernel. And some software.
You can see where this is going. That first day, you might want to thank 20 different people for their contributions! These are legitimate thanks, you're just doing more on XDA that day then you usually are.
I really don't see why 8 is the limit in these scenarios. Why not increase it like 20? Still limited, but more realistic on "busy" days like this.
I presume that one of the main reasons why the limit is unlikely to be increased is due to what you already stated - devaluing the Thanks feature.
The Thanks count on people's profiles is, in my opinion, kinda irrelevant as is because it doesn't help gauge a members helpfulness/quality of work etc. That's proven by those members who post junk and can still get a bunch of Thanks on that post. Increasing the limit will increase the chances of that happening and will therefore mean the Thanks meter on members profiles will count for even less.
The limit has been 8 for quite a while and will probably stay that way because generally all 8 won't be used in a single day anyway. There are, of course, exceptions (just like the situation you described or perhaps you'd feel the need to use more if you hang around in some of the theme threads for example) but you could always use your available Thanks and then Thank the other posts the following day. I realize that may not exactly be ideal but is certainly a way around.
Using a mobile app to access the forums will give you more to use, so that's probably a more viable option for you, rather than waiting for a different day to hand them out.
What he said. Almost no one even pays attention to the thanks meter any more, only new members even bother with it. It was made pointless long ago.
@KidCarter93 @zelendel
Well, then, in that light, what would you suggest for me (and other XDA users) to do:
Continue giving people "Thanks!" when they have earned them even though nobody really cares about them anymore; or
Stop giving people "Thanks!" altogether because they are useless and have no value.
Which do you think is the best plan?
I think the thanks is a nice touch. I try to donate to people whenever possible. Some people don't want, or won't accept donations though. I'm sure those people still enjoy being thanked.
I think if the way the older members and site staff feel about Thanks is as indicated above, than the feature should just be removed.
Else, I think the limit should be removed. It's a quick change. I don't really see the harm in a post getting too many thanks.
I have left tabs open in my browser from yesterday, for the people I need to thank still. I still can't thank them because the time hasn't rolled around yet.
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I understand not wanting to "devalue" the Thanks feature. I get that. But consider this scenario:
You get a brand new phone (like, my new LG G3!). You need a guide to how to hack that specific device, which may need a guide just to figure out which guide to use if there are carrier specific models! You need to figure out how to unlock the bootloader, which requires rolling back the firmware, using a flashing tool, installing a new image, etc. Then you need to root. Then you need a recovery environment. Then you need a ROM, and perhaps a kernel. And some software.
You can see where this is going. That first day, you might want to thank 20 different people for their contributions! These are legitimate thanks, you're just doing more on XDA that day then you usually are.
I really don't see why 8 is the limit in these scenarios. Why not increase it like 20? Still limited, but more realistic on "busy" days like this.
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that's maybe 8 thanks right there in your OP (S OFF then root, recovery, ROM, guides), and it's a one time deal... Also that phone is the extreme case...
I don't see where you'd need 20 honestly.
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@KidCarter93 @zelendel
Well, then, in that light, what would you suggest for me (and other XDA users) to do:
Continue giving people "Thanks!" when they have earned them even though nobody really cares about them anymore; or
Stop giving people "Thanks!" altogether because they are useless and have no value.
Which do you think is the best plan?
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I'd say continue to use them as you have been considering they still serve a purpose. They were added to the site so that it would cut down on posts simply saying "Thanks", thus cluttering the threads with posts which add no value to the threads. In that respect, the Thanks button has done it's job effectively.
The thing is, even though we've said that not many people really care about the Thanks, it's more the Thanks count which is irrelevant. A lot of members still like to receive Thanks as it's, generally, a quick and easy way for the member to know that they've been able to help someone out in one way or another.
I don't hand out many Thanks these days considering I don't often need help with anything and therefore wouldn't need to Thank someone for helping me out. But when I have been helped out, I will certainly give them a Thank considering that's what it's used for.
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I think the thanks is a nice touch. I try to donate to people whenever possible. Some people don't want, or won't accept donations though. I'm sure those people still enjoy being thanked.
I think if the way the older members and site staff feel about Thanks is as indicated above, than the feature should just be removed.
Else, I think the limit should be removed. It's a quick change. I don't really see the harm in a post getting too many thanks.
I have left tabs open in my browser from yesterday, for the people I need to thank still. I still can't thank them because the time hasn't rolled around yet.
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As mentioned above, it's not necessarily the Thanks button that I have a problem with but more the Thanks count (purely because in a lot of cases it leads to people wanting to get a lot of Thanks, for no real reason, simply so their Thanks meter can look more impressive as they can "beat" other members total Thanks.
That being the case, I still think the limit shouldn't be removed considering it can be a vague (sometimes more vague than others) way to gauge how helpful a member has been over their time as a member. The only part of the Thanks system which I'd like to see removed is the Thanks meter, but as it's still intact there's likely a reason the admins have got for leaving it as is.
ИΘΘK¡€ said:
@KidCarter93 @zelendel
Well, then, in that light, what would you suggest for me (and other XDA users) to do:
Continue giving people "Thanks!" when they have earned them even though nobody really cares about them anymore; or
Stop giving people "Thanks!" altogether because they are useless and have no value.
Which do you think is the best plan?
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The best thanks you can give anyone is by learning and sharing what you learned. Many developers are more excited and happy to see someone that took what they learned and then turned around and gave back to the community.
If it makes you feel better then by all means. Continue to give thanks.
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I'd say continue to use them as you have been considering they still serve a purpose. They were added to the site so that it would cut down on posts simply saying "Thanks", thus cluttering the threads with posts which add no value to the threads. In that respect, the Thanks button has done it's job effectively.
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Thank you, and agreed.
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The thing is, even though we've said that not many people really care about the Thanks, it's more the Thanks count which is irrelevant. A lot of members still like to receive Thanks as it's, generally, a quick and easy way for the member to know that they've been able to help someone out in one way or another.
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I also agree and am among the "a lot of members" you mentioned.
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I don't hand out many Thanks these days considering I don't often need help with anything and therefore wouldn't need to Thank someone for helping me out. But when I have been helped out, I will certainly give them a Thank considering that's what it's used for.
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I am in pretty much the same boat - I mostly help other people nowadays, very rarely do I need or request help. However, I do generally use up all of my Thanks per day on posts that, for example, I don't want/need to reply to but I do want the member to know I saw it and liked it.
So, that's my two cents on the matter. Thanks again!
EDIT - @zelendel, thank you, too, for your sage advice. :good:
When does the Limit Refreh?
At which time in GMT+1 can i re-do 8 Thanks?
Hannah Stern said:
At which time in GMT+1 can i re-do 8 Thanks?
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You can use your next days thanks 24 hours after the previous days. So if you use your first Thank at 10AM, your first one the next day couldn't be used until 10AM
8 Thanks, 1 Limit, 0 Sense
KidCarter93 said:
I presume that one of the main reasons why the limit is unlikely to be increased is due to what you already stated - devaluing the Thanks feature.
The Thanks count on people's profiles is, in my opinion, kinda irrelevant as is because it doesn't help gauge a members helpfulness/quality of work etc. That's proven by those members who post junk and can still get a bunch of Thanks on that post. Increasing the limit will increase the chances of that happening and will therefore mean the Thanks meter on members profiles will count for even less.
The limit has been 8 for quite a while and will probably stay that way because generally all 8 won't be used in a single day anyway. There are, of course, exceptions (just like the situation you described or perhaps you'd feel the need to use more if you hang around in some of the theme threads for example) but you could always use your available Thanks and then Thank the other posts the following day. I realize that may not exactly be ideal but is certainly a way around.
Using a mobile app to access the forums will give you more to use, so that's probably a more viable option for you, rather than waiting for a different day to hand them out.
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It's very polite and kind to use the Thanks-Button.
Active users maybe need x 20 - every day!
In my opinion, this limit makes low-sense...
...maybe just for low-activity users.
And i think, that this limit should be removed or increased to 20 or so for Senior Members / Higher.
All the best!
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ИΘΘK¡€ said:
@KidCarter93 @zelendel
Well, then, in that light, what would you suggest for me (and other XDA users) to do:
Continue giving people "Thanks!" when they have earned them even though nobody really cares about them anymore; or
Stop giving people "Thanks!" altogether because they are useless and have no value.
Which do you think is the best plan?
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Good Question
Hannah Stern said:
It's very polite and kind to use the Thanks-Button.
Active users maybe need x 20 - every day!
In my opinion, this limit makes low-sense...
...maybe just for low-activity users.
And i think, that this limit should be removed or increased to 20 or so for Senior Members / Higher.
All the best!
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I understand that it's polite to use the Thanks button but there's still no need for nowhere near that many.
Even as a moderator we don't have that many available to us - we get 15.
I'm not as active on here as I once was, mainly due to working long shifts, but even when I was extremely active on here I wouldn't go through my allotted 8 per day. There's only been 1 or 2 situations where 8 wasn't enough. In those instances, I'd asked for help with an issue I was having (therefore I was thanking the posts that were helping me solve my issue) and I also thanked a couple of posts which didn't help me but would help a lot of other members and was a great resource. All I did in those situations was either wait a couple of hours for a Thank to become available again or would use the XDA app.
While my thanking habits are clearly different to yours, changes are only generally made to XDA if it will benefit the majority not a minority. I'm sure there are a ton of people who feel that 8 isn't enough but it's fine for the majority of members here. Also, increasing the limit to such an amount would likely lead to people asking/begging for more Thanks and would, in turn, devalue the Thanks count more so than it already is.
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Protonus said:
I understand not wanting to "devalue" the Thanks feature. I get that. But consider this scenario:
You get a brand new phone (like, my new LG G3!). You need a guide to how to hack that specific device, which may need a guide just to figure out which guide to use if there are carrier specific models! You need to figure out how to unlock the bootloader, which requires rolling back the firmware, using a flashing tool, installing a new image, etc. Then you need to root. Then you need a recovery environment. Then you need a ROM, and perhaps a kernel. And some software.
You can see where this is going. That first day, you might want to thank 20 different people for their contributions! These are legitimate thanks, you're just doing more on XDA that day then you usually are.
I really don't see why 8 is the limit in these scenarios. Why not increase it like 20? Still limited, but more realistic on "busy" days like this.
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that's maybe 8 thanks right there in your OP (S OFF then root, recovery, ROM, guides), and it's a one time deal... Also that phone is the extreme case...
I don't see where you'd need 20 honestly.
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...but i do!
8 Thanks is mayybe a little bit too low.
The 10-Post Rule isn't a big problem because 10 posts are easy-peasy
But the limit to 8 thanks is a problem (not a big one)
I don't want to sound stupid right here, but if i reach the Limit, i make a list of post which i still want to thank :laugh:
You can thank somebody at the next day, if you're not able to use the thanks button right now.
...but why don't do it RIGHT NOW instead of that day?
Most of the users on XDA aren't Thank-Spammers.
There are more thank-friendly users that give a thanks for very small and big and useful posts (i am also one of these) but there are also members, who do this only for very useful posts.
Using the thanks button is just polite.
And if somebody knows the 8-Thanks-Limit, he/she's possibly saving on thanks.
I am not someone who begs for thanks, but it's very rare to find a member which gets thanks for useless things like thank me and i'll thank your post.
What is the limit actually for?
What do we want to prevent with this limit?
And why is the limit just 8?
I'm completely satisfied with my thanks-count of 39
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I understand not wanting to "devalue" the Thanks feature. I get that. But consider this scenario:
You get a brand new phone (like, my new LG G3!). You need a guide to how to hack that specific device, which may need a guide just to figure out which guide to use if there are carrier specific models! You need to figure out how to unlock the bootloader, which requires rolling back the firmware, using a flashing tool, installing a new image, etc. Then you need to root. Then you need a recovery environment. Then you need a ROM, and perhaps a kernel. And some software.
You can see where this is going. That first day, you might want to thank 20 different people for their contributions! These are legitimate thanks, you're just doing more on XDA that day then you usually are.
I really don't see why 8 is the limit in these scenarios. Why not increase it like 20? Still limited, but more realistic on "busy" days like this.
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You can say that again!
Also 15 is very low for a Forum Moderator i think.
How about Administrators like @svetius etc.?
What thanks limit have they actually got?
20?
I don't have anything agianst XDA but when i came new to XDA, i thought that anybody's count of thanks were unlimited!
A bad scenario for members who die, if they get no thanks is the limit of INCOMING Thanks. But this limit does not exist!
...and also - there's no Post Limit / Login per day Limit / Quote or Meniton users-per-day Limit. But a limit of thanks that you can give per day.
Hrm... let's increase to 20.
What problems will come, if we incrase to 20?
fortunately, there's no Dislike/Thumbs-down button for posts :laugh:
@Hannah Stern, I believe we all know and respect your personal opinion about a larger Thanks limit, but in all honesty, because of how already devalued Thanks are (i.e., some of the best devs have less than 1,000, while other people who make junk have upward of 5,000), I'd recommend just Thanking the people who you want to Thank unyil you reach your limit, and then just forget about Thanking people any more until the next time you can. Don't spend all your time worrying about how so-and-so won't get what he/she deserves unless I Thank their post - that is just unnecessary anxiety. Go with the flow, and try your best not to worry, as it's highly unlikely that the admins are going to raise the limit.
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@Hannah Stern, I believe we all know and respect your personal opinion about a larger Thanks limit, but in all honesty, because of how already devalued Thanks are (i.e., some of the best devs have less than 1,000, while other people who make junk have upward of 5,000), I'd recommend just Thanking the people who you want to Thank unyil you reach your limit, and then just forget about Thanking people any more until the next time you can. Don't spend all your time worrying about how so-and-so won't get what he/she deserves unless I Thank their post - that is just unnecessary anxiety. Go with the flow, and try your best not to worry, as it's highly unlikely that the admins are going to raise the limit.
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I don't really worry about it.
And i know, that admins may very unlikely set the limit up.
So what's the real value/worth of the Thanks Button, if nobody is able to use it very properly?
How about Administrators (Svetius/MikeChannon/BitPushr), what thanks limit do they have?
What problems will occur, if the Numbers get increased?
I already know that what you told me but thank you however
...and have a good day!
Hannah Stern said:
I don't really worry about it.
And i know, that admins may very unlikely set the limit up.
So what's the real value/worth of the Thanks Button, if nobody is able to use it very properly?
How about Administrators (Svetius/MikeChannon/BitPushr), what thanks limit do they have?
What problems will occur, if the Numbers get increased?
I already know that what you told me but thank you however
...and have a good day!
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What are their thanks? Who knows but to be honest what would they use them for.
I'll be honest thanks count are really pointless. Only new members even pay attention I know 90% of the devs don't look at the number or even use them. I have even been asked by a few for a way to disable it completely.
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I don't really worry about it.
And i know, that admins may very unlikely set the limit up.
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You're on the right track!
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So what's the real value/worth of the Thanks Button, if nobody is able to use it very properly?
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In reality, there is pretty much none. I just consider them a fun feature - not really anything of actual value. By the way, we actually are using it properly - the limit is the "proper" use of Thanks, according to the admins.
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How about Administrators (Svetius/MikeChannon/BitPushr), what thanks limit do they have?
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Nobody really knows except the admins themselves, but I'd give it a safe guess that they don't have one. I mean, since they are, after all, the admins, what would be the point of making a limitation for themselves?
Am I right in that logic?
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What problems will occur, if the Numbers get increased?
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The main problem would be that members have even more opportunities to Thank people who often don't need or want excessive Thanks. 8 is a liberal number in this case IMHO - I mean, would you be happier if it were 5?
xD
ИΘΘK¡€ said:
You're on the right track!
In reality, there is pretty much none. I just consider them a fun feature - not really anything of actual value. By the way, we actually are using it properly - the limit is the "proper" use of Thanks, according to the admins.
Nobody really knows except the admins themselves, but I'd give it a safe guess that they don't have one. I mean, since they are, after all, the admins, what would be the point of making a limitation for themselves?
Am I right in that logic?
The main problem would be that members have even more opportunities to Thank people who often don't need or want excessive Thanks. 8 is a liberal number in this case IMHO - I mean, would you be happier if it were 5?
xD
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5 Per day is horribly / terribly low.
Why don't increase the Thank's limit, if it's just "a useless fun feature" ?
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5 Per day is horribly / terribly low.
Why don't increase the Thank's limit, if it's just "a useless fun feature" ?
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To tell you the truth, I don't really know or care that much - my inability to Thank people after 8 a day is not very high on my priority list. If you want to really try, you can respectfully PM @svetius and explain your dilemma.
From my point of view, this topic is closed - I don't need to post here again. I've stated my personal opinion, answered your questions, and am ready to move on.
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