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[Q] New member posting

I have received a surprising number of PMs in response to my App thread [http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=973921] from newbies who say they are PMing because they are unable to reply to threads. One even said he couldn't post till he had 10 posts (how the heck could he get 10 posts if he can't post?). I thought newbies couldn't post links for a certain period or number of posts... but I have slept since then and the site has changed some.
What gives? I read the FAQ and all I found was that in most forums you have to be a registered member to reply or post new topics. Are these newbies just mistaken about the rules, if so is there some way to better explain the posting rules?

Pop45398 said:
I have received a surprising number of PMs in response to my App thread [http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=973921] from newbies who say they are PMing because they are unable to reply to threads. One even said he couldn't post till he had 10 posts (how the heck could he get 10 posts if he can't post?). I thought newbies couldn't post links for a certain period or number of posts... but I have slept since then and the site has changed some.
What gives? I read the FAQ and all I found was that in most forums you have to be a registered member to reply or post new topics. Are these newbies just mistaken about the rules, if so is there some way to better explain the posting rules?
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We have an informative notice to users when they try to do this.
New users (<10 posts) can't post in development areas. What you could do, is make a "support" thread outwith development. The problem was that we were getting thousands of pointless posts from people in development areas, causing endless trouble in moving them and dealing with the flaming that continued...
Once they have 10 posts outwith development areas, they can post in dev forums within 1 hour of that time. A support thread outwith that section, with a prominant link in the first post might help, and it's the method I will be using myself.
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Thanks, that certainly explains it... great suggestion.
pulser_g2 said:
We have an informative notice to users when they try to do this.
New users (<10 posts) can't post in development areas. What you could do, is make a "support" thread outwith development. The problem was that we were getting thousands of pointless posts from people in development areas, causing endless trouble in moving them and dealing with the flaming that continued...
Once they have 10 posts outwith development areas, they can post in dev forums within 1 hour of that time. A support thread outwith that section, with a prominant link in the first post might help, and it's the method I will be using myself.
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Thanks for the explantion, though it's really annoying, never mind counting this one XD.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14995900#post14995900
it's frustrated...

Thx, logical explanation
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Must follow the rules, thank you.

I have the same issue and found out about the 10 posts rule, yet something confused me, a "new member" (Labeled as Junior Member" was able to post in the development area for a Rom thread with only having >5 posts. I saw two posts of his in this thread and he only had total of 4 posts...I tried to post in the same thread and wasn't allowed to because i have fewer than 10 post...oh and his post is only a day or two old.. what gives??

noted ...sir

This stupid rule forces me too post in pointless threads for me. It's just too much hassle to post in threads you really don't care about just to be able to post in your desired development thread.
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SharkDog2 said:
This stupid rule forces me too post in pointless threads for me. It's just too much hassle to post in threads you really don't care about just to be able to post in your desired development thread.
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The recommended way is to post in Q&A instead of development, and I tried it. Obviously no one from the development thread is going to be informed of my post automagically, so I went on contacting the kernel dev, leading to the same situation as the OP, meaning an unwanted PM to a busy dev...

Yeah I don't want to keep bugging deva through pm. Only reason for me to post in other threads.
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I submitted a post misspelled something wanted to edit and It won't let me submit the edited post. Wtf?

tolymatev said:
I submitted a post misspelled something wanted to edit and It won't let me submit the edited post. Wtf?
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Ha that's weird, I could edit my first post to fix a broken link. Can you link to your immutable post?

SharkDog2 said:
Yeah I don't want to keep bugging deva through pm. Only reason for me to post in other threads.
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I perfectly agree with you, sir, and find the present thread particularly handy in that respect. Of course, I would never post anything just for the sake of reaching a post count of 10, but it appears that light conversation about the ins and outs and philosophy of the XDA rules does help towards that goal, isn't it wonderful?
And hooooo didn't I just discover another thoughtful anti-noob restriction ? It appears that, in order to increase my verbia... to increase the quality, grammar and punctuation of posts, and more importantly, to avoid easy mass spamming, XDA requires non-mod-approved users to wait a total of five minutes between two posts. Specifically, the following message appears:
To prevent spam to the forums, new users must wait five minutes between posts. All new user accounts will be verified by moderators before this restriction is removed.
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(HA, yes, I admit that I am just training to use the quote function here, and that the above snippet of text does not bring much to the conversation, but eh, isn't it a positive side effect of the anti-noob-spam rule, that I get to train proper formatting of posts?)

agravier said:
Ha that's weird, I could edit my first post to fix a broken link. Can you link to your immutable post?
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I'm using the xda app right now. Its not a big deal but its frustrating ...... and guess what guys this should be my 10th post. This f'ed up rule got me counting my posts lol.. I should get unleashed after this right?
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tolymatev said:
I'm using the xda app right now. Its not a big deal but its frustrating ...... and guess what guys this should be my 10th post. This f'ed up rule got me counting my posts lol.. I should get unleashed after this right?
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So it's a limitation of new posters when using the XDA app, probably.

Yes its a limitation....by the way this is my first post.... 1/10
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Congratulations on your first post, komusic.
I shall also note that the 5 minutes between posts limitation makes that a minimum of 50 minutes is necessary for anyone to reach the infamous tenposts milestone after which the golden doors of the dev forums posting will open under our ungrateful greasy little noobish fingers. Hence, this is also a test of patience. We shall consider ourselves monks, in fact. Apprentices.

So can anyone explain why a member with >10 posts can post in the development area? The posts are recent, just yesterday and the day before

what is this??

To prevent spam to the forums, ALL new users are not permitted to post outside links in their messages. After approximately eight posts, you will be able to post outside links. Thanks for understanding!

Is there a Question?
The "error" you copied into your post, is pretty self explanatory. A new user cannot post links in their post until they have made approximately 8 to 10 posts.

Sounded pretty simple to me when I read it, they want people to actually have a level of participation in the forums before you're granted certain privileges, pretty reasonable to me.

I'm going through the "initiation"so don't mind me
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JimmyMcGee said:
Is there a Question?
The "error" you copied into your post, is pretty self explanatory. A new user cannot post links in their post until they have made approximately 8 to 10 posts.
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Means I can not post to the section of I9000 or what...
I did not use any link in my post then what is it..
Could you please give me a detail..
Sorry if i am wrong or what...

cds0699 said:
Sounded pretty simple to me when I read it, they want people to actually have a level of participation in the forums before you're granted certain privileges, pretty reasonable to me.
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off-cause you are right my dear ...it is reasonable.
Thanks.

razeen said:
Means I can not post to the section of I9000 or what...
I did not use any link in my post then what is it..
Could you please give me a detail..
Sorry if i am wrong or what...
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I didn't get this question out of reading the first post. Obviously putting any links or even typing http:// in a post will block said post until your "participation" has been "proven"
This is a way to prevent Spam, but you should be able to post to most forums. IF you are trying to post to a Forum Marked "Development" then you will not be able to until you reach 10 posts. Those are the rules.

JimmyMcGee said:
I didn't get this question out of reading the first post. Obviously putting any links or even typing http:// in a post will block said post until your "participation" has been "proven"
This is a way to prevent Spam, but you should be able to post to most forums. IF you are trying to post to a Forum Marked "Development" then you will not be able to until you reach 10 posts. Those are the rules.
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Ok fine..Now I understand....
So can I post this section...http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=657
I did not use any http:// ...I have a few question about i9000.
I registered in this site because of my phone with damaged camera..SO could you pleases tell me may I post or not.
Thanks.

I will try to post again..if I failed then I will post to you with screen shot.
Thanks.

Now I can post...thanks for helping me..
Here is the link...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14004892#post14004892

I always go for FAQ and read more and more after that only I will post the section... Sorry if any thing wrong.

XDA should increase the post limit to 50 to have other access to threads since it would make it more of serious matter to becoming a more true member of the forums.

shopcity said:
XDA should increase the post limit to 50 to have other access to threads since it would make it more of serious matter to becoming a more true member of the forums.
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Why ?
With above sentence, I cannot understand your agendum clearly.

shopcity said:
XDA should increase the post limit to 50 to have other access to threads since it would make it more of serious matter to becoming a more true member of the forums.
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WHY????
Kidding me or what.

"To prevent spam to the forums, ALL new users are not permitted to post outside links in their messages. After approximately eight posts, you will be able to post outside links. Thanks for understanding!"
If i have to wright first 10 post for geting the acces to wright in this post what i like to wright in is this then not spaming?
sorry but i have to get my 10 posts

Cant wait to get through the devs thread....

Posting in a Dev section

So I have got over 10 posts but I still cant post in a Dev section. Any ideas? I have spent the last 7 months reading, I haven't posted much but now I feel I actually could contribute a bit? Thanks

i have the same question, can anyone tell us how to post in a dev section as a new user

DeviceSettings said:
So I have got over 10 posts but I still cant post in a Dev section. Any ideas? I have spent the last 7 months reading, I haven't posted much but now I feel I actually could contribute a bit? Thanks
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Try again, sometimes it takes the servers a while to move you into the correct user group, sorry
Dave

captnx said:
i have the same question, can anyone tell us how to post in a dev section as a new user
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Read this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1069298

Thank you David.

Does that 10+ Post-rule also apply to adding a signature?
I kinda like the 10 post rule, BUT, it is a bit annoying, since people like myself tend to not read the forum rules, since they are most likely the same on most forums anyway.
So you read a forum for ages. At some point you choose to create an account but still just keep reading since you DON'T actually have anything to add that has not been mentioned before.
Then finally comes the day, when you tried out a new released Kernel and would actually like to add some of your experiances with it and can't post.
I don't think I'm the first experiancing that problem before, cause you didn't realize you NEED to post to be able to post.
well well, as you may think, this post all in all is also a +1 to get to my 10 posts.
cheers

Emmure said:
Does that 10+ Post-rule also apply to adding a signature?
I kinda like the 10 post rule, BUT, it is a bit annoying, since people like myself tend to not read the forum rules, since they are most likely the same on most forums anyway.
So you read a forum for ages. At some point you choose to create an account but still just keep reading since you DON'T actually have anything to add that has not been mentioned before.
Then finally comes the day, when you tried out a new released Kernel and would actually like to add some of your experiances with it and can't post.
I don't think I'm the first experiancing that problem before, cause you didn't realize you NEED to post to be able to post.
well well, as you may think, this post all in all is also a +1 to get to my 10 posts.
cheers
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There is an 8-Post rule for signatures, but for a totally different reason. Spammers were using Signatures to advertise products, adding the restriction pretty much removed these types of bots.

DaveShaw said:
There is an 8-Post rule for signatures, but for a totally different reason. Spammers were using Signatures to advertise products, adding the restriction pretty much removed these types of bots.
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yeah, thats about what I immagined would be the reason.
Its a good rule, but can be pretty annoying...not like I'm gonna care about it anymore in about 30 mins anyway.

Same goes here, i think its time for me to contribute as well.... Still needed another 7/8 post to start posting in the respective threads

I have been lurking on this site for sometime and also feel I have something to finally contribute so hopefully I dont run in to any server issue after my 10th post, really like this site!

[Q] Blocking PM usage to new members

Recently I've picked up on a trend where people are signing up to the site and then, without searching or reading the threads, they start to shoot off questions via PMs. Is there a way to ensure that new members do not have access to the PM function until they have a certain number of post of have been a member for a specific period of time (if you want to stop spam posting)?

Intratech said:
Recently I've picked up on a trend where people are signing up to the site and then, without searching or reading the threads, they start to shoot off questions via PMs. Is there a way to ensure that new members do not have access to the PM function until they have a certain number of post of have been a member for a specific period of time (if you want to stop spam posting)?
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I wish there were a way as well. I normally just have fun with them when I get a PM from someone who obviously didn't search or read. I've sent two users to lemon party dot com already.

So no reply from XDA?

If we extend the 10 post rule to PMs, that would probably increase the number of junk posts in other forums. The thinking is... "ok, I can't post in any development forum, and I can't PM anyone...I might as well inundate other sections with my question until I get a reply!"
...so, not sure it's the best solution.

How about the second suggestion then? They have to be a member for a certain period of time before the function is available to them?

Intratech said:
How about the second suggestion then? They have to be a member for a certain period of time before the function is available to them?
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I like tat this suggestion!! Set a Certain period of time.
But may I suggest, also implement 10 post. Of course with CAPTCHA implemented. (But implementing CAPTCHA, meant the WHOLE Global XDA posting will have CAPTCHA, will end up a GLOBAL Panic for DEV)

cajunflavoredbob said:
I wish there were a way as well. I normally just have fun with them when I get a PM from someone who obviously didn't search or read. I've sent two users to lemon party dot com already.
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LMAO!
I do know a pretty annoying Rickroll site that could be useful for this.

svetius said:
If we extend the 10 post rule to PMs, that would probably increase the number of junk posts in other forums. The thinking is... "ok, I can't post in any development forum, and I can't PM anyone...I might as well inundate other sections with my question until I get a reply!"
...so, not sure it's the best solution.
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I totally agree. The Q&A and General forums are getting inundated with "I can't post in the dev threads" questions. It's made matters worse. I think new users should be able to post in dev forums, but not create a thread their own in there.
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LMAO!
I do know a pretty annoying Rickroll site that could be useful for this.
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Do tell

johncmolyneux said:
I totally agree. The Q&A and General forums are getting inundated with "I can't post in the dev threads" questions. It's made matters worse. I think new users should be able to post in dev forums, but not create a thread their own in there.
Do tell
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This one is a bit annoying

2 minutes before editing a comment

Hi,
I just wanted to reedit a comment because a tag was missing and it said that I have to wait 2 minutes before I am allowed to do another posting.
Well, I didn't want to do another posting, I just wanted to edit an already posted comment.
Maybe this could be fixed easily...
Thanks
Rebista

Came here to try to find just the same answer. It's just editing, 2 minutes is too long to wait for something like that!
But I understand what the reasons may be. What amount of post will take this away?
thanks in advance

I would have expected you to be beyond that point now with more than 10 posts, but perhaps there are new restrictions on junior members, which should end at 30 posts when you become members.

mf2112 said:
I would have expected you to be beyond that point now with more than 10 posts, but perhaps there are new restrictions on junior members, which should end at 30 posts when you become members.
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I can confirm that haveing more than 30 posts will get rid of this limitation. I don't have it anymore
Thanks!

ChicaAndroid said:
I can confirm that haveing more than 30 posts will get rid of this limitation. I don't have it anymore
Thanks!
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You will still have a restriction it is just brought down to somthing like 20 sec

s.d.oconnor said:
You will still have a restriction it is just brought down to somthing like 20 sec
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Nope. Already tried, is instantly done.

Okay, so free edits come with 30 posts ...
As it just happens this very post now is my 30th post
What an unusual solution. Post in this forum and through the very act of posting everything is taken care of
lol

Just came in here to comment about the very same thing. I can understand limiting the amount of posts new users can make within a given period (helps prevent spam)....but editing a post should be excluded from this limit.

rebista said:
Okay, so free edits come with 30 posts ...
As it just happens this very post now is my 30th post
What an unusual solution. Post in this forum and through the very act of posting everything is taken care of
lol
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I think it's allright and something you can live with, for 30 posts. They say in their FAQ that limiting posts is the only way to control spammers (well, one of their ways) and chaos.
30 is NOT that much, when I came to this thread I tought I was to find some limit of 100 posts and THAT would be annoying.
If you plan to stay in the community, 30 posts are ok and 2 minutes are bearable. Just MY opinion

woah 30post until edit???
now isnt that like tooo much??

xdanewbi said:
woah 30post until edit???
now isnt that like tooo much??
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No, there is a 2 minute time limit between post and edit until you reach 30 posts. You can edit before 30 posts, you just have to wait a bit.
Think about what you write before clicking Submit. Use the advanced edit mode and the Preview button. Make sure you have furnished enough information in your post to help people answer your questions.
If you have any other questions, please read this guide.

I don't have any complaining about it ( I'm new junior member) cause its much nicely read and post to the good forum ( some boobs don't read and follow xda's rules)
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I came to this thread via google. Shouldn't this info be in some FAQ?

I have no idea why this faq http://forum.xda-developers.com/faq.php is not linked anywhere for people to go clicky.
Conspiracy theories:
It's almost like they don't want users to find the faq.
They assumed users won't read it anyway.
They are lazy.
/runs for cover.

There's too many restrictions at xda, I mean yea they got a lot of helpful tools, but come on...but whatever...lol
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