many files on SDHC card slows the device down/eats RAM ? - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General

many files on SDHC card slows the device down/eats RAM ? - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General

hi, is it true that the device eats more RAM, and gets slower when a SD Card with many files is in use ?
if so, is it the number of programs (links in \windows\start menu\) , or documents, or just the number of files in the FAT32 system that causes it ?

is that true?

does not seem like it is, I tested by simply removing the SDHC , (not removing all shortcuts) - and there were no significant change.
Next time, I'll compare before/after copying in all links that points to SD.

slayerns said:
is that true?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Generally speaking, not at all.
If you put apps there, they may take very slightly longer to start. But once they start, they all run out of ran.
If you have a lot of data files, say music, the music player you are using may be indexing the files in the background. That will slow it down until the files are indexed.
I use an 8Gb card and have never seen a slowdown.

Related

Transferring Files Via Card Reader?

Caveat: I am unfamiliar with the ideosyncracies of Windows Mobile in this area...
As the Universal only has a limited amount of storage space, I have been storing pretty much everything on a 4Gb SD card. What I'm wondering is, when it comes to large video files, it takes roughly 1000 years to transfer across using the ActiveSync pipe. Will it bollux anything up if I simply take the SD card out of the slot and copy the video file over into the appropriate directory, or does WM need to do some weird-ass magic when it does a transfer via ActiveSync?
Thanks,
Doug

dougom said:
Caveat: I am unfamiliar with the ideosyncracies of Windows Mobile in this area...
As the Universal only has a limited amount of storage space, I have been storing pretty much everything on a 4Gb SD card. What I'm wondering is, when it comes to large video files, it takes roughly 1000 years to transfer across using the ActiveSync pipe. Will it bollux anything up if I simply take the SD card out of the slot and copy the video file over into the appropriate directory, or does WM need to do some weird-ass magic when it does a transfer via ActiveSync?
Thanks,
Doug
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have never had a problem with this. It is the only way to move large files across. Give a try.

It will work. My only recommendation is that you create a separate folder called "movies" to keep your sd card tidy. Or that may just be my OCD talking!

lulugirl896 said:
It will work. My only recommendation is that you create a separate folder called "movies" to keep your sd card tidy. Or that may just be my OCD talking!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
nah, you're right, i just didn't let my OCD talk for me

mavrik64 said:
nah, you're right, i just didn't let my OCD talk for me
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks, all.
And hey, you want OCD behavior, take a look at my follow-up post on the TCPMP thread. That's OCD, baby!
Doug

Suggest that you install the free wm5storage application on your PDA then you can transfer files between your PDA & PC without using Activesync, its a lot quicker.
You should find a link on this site.
Mike

Mikew said:
Suggest that you install the free wm5storage application on your PDA then you can transfer files between your PDA & PC without using Activesync, its a lot quicker.
You should find a link on this site.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Will do. Thanks, Mike.
See; that's what's driving me crazy about Window Mobile vs. Palm. While there were a number of applications on PalmOS that were nice to have, it pretty much comes out of the box with everything that I needed. With WM, I am having to install a whole buncha apps just to get things running the way it seems they should ("You need to install Pocket Hack Master, and Magic Button, and WM5Storage, and . . ."). I have been spending the last couple of weeks installing and tweaking. It makes me nuts.
Doug

dougom said:
Will do. Thanks, Mike.
See; that's what's driving me crazy about Window Mobile vs. Palm. While there were a number of applications on PalmOS that were nice to have, it pretty much comes out of the box with everything that I needed. With WM, I am having to install a whole buncha apps just to get things running the way it seems they should ("You need to install Pocket Hack Master, and Magic Button, and WM5Storage, and . . ."). I have been spending the last couple of weeks installing and tweaking. It makes me nuts.
Doug
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Dats M$ WM5

i use an SD to PCMCIA convertor on one of my laptops for 100's MB files, it's much faster than activesync/USB. for some reason though, on one of my PC's with a '5in1 USB adapter' it doesn't recognize the SD card filesystem (i never formatted them out of the box).

another thing, be careful when using the usb sync too much. i fouled up my battery because i used wm5torage heavily.. but im wiser now, i'll be getting an sd card with a usb adapter..

List your Favourite apps, and if it can be run from the MiniSD card or not?

Can we make a list of favorite applications (include a version number and link) and mention whether it can be run from the MiniSD card or not.
Thanks

There is a lot of information about this on the forum, just look around. Besides, favourite applications are all dependant on who you ask.

list is pointless
what you like...i many not

people can decide for themselves whether they like the apps or not.
This thread is meant to be a quick link to a stack of working apps and whether they can be run off your minisd card or not.
ie
TomTom6 can be run off the minisd, but hangs if more than
6 poi types are selected. (presumably times out)
Pocket e-sword must be run off the phone.

To me, anything not working from SD card would not become my favourite

ww2250 said:
To me, anything not working from SD card would not become my favourite
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well please do share!

check here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319468
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332438&highlight=black+keyboard
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1645355&postcount=2
Just examples, there are lot more

Need Help. How do I get to the Internal Storage area

OK, I got my Sprint TP2 yesterday and was playing around with it. I installed my SD card that had some files on it and when I tapped on one document file by mistake it "unzipped" it to the internal storage completely filling it.
I've looked all over but cannot seem to locate the internal storage memeory on the phone.
HELP!
Thanks in Advance.

OK, never mind. But.....
OK, after I opened it back up today I started looking at it like my old PDA and found the file and deleted it.
But..
I'd like to free up more internal memory as it shows I only have 158MB free. And only 59MB free for program memory. I'll be getting a 16GB card soon to replace my 2GB I have but I'd like to have more internal memory.
What programs/files can I delete safely from my Sprint TP2 to free up more space?

JohnMcD348 said:
I'd like to free up more internal memory as it shows I only have 158MB free. And only 59MB free for program memory. I'll be getting a 16GB card soon to replace my 2GB I have but I'd like to have more internal memory.
What programs/files can I delete safely from my Sprint TP2 to free up more space?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
158MB of "Storage" memory is actually quite a bit -- it's 60% open/empty. Considering that a lot of applications are less than a 1 MB, and a huge one is 5MB -- you still have room to install dozens directly to the device. To minimize use of Storage, install as many apps as possible to your card. And, wherever possible, configure settings on apps to store their data to the card...and set the camera to save to the card, etc. Even a 2GB card is a lot of space -- unless you're carrying full-length, high-quality movies.
Program memory gets filled up by stuff that's currently running, so deleting installed programs won't free up more of that -- unless these programs run automatically/all-the-time.

MCbrian said:
158MB of "Storage" memory is actually quite a bit -- it's 60% open/empty. Considering that a lot of applications are less than a 1 MB, and a huge one is 5MB -- you still have room to install dozens directly to the device. To minimize use of Storage, install as many apps as possible to your card. And, wherever possible, configure settings on apps to store their data to the card...and set the camera to save to the card, etc. Even a 2GB card is a lot of space -- unless you're carrying full-length, high-quality movies.
Program memory gets filled up by stuff that's currently running, so deleting installed programs won't free up more of that -- unless these programs run automatically/all-the-time.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, if you have 158MB storage free on the phone right now, be sure to take a screenshot if it so you can look back later and remember "back when" you had still had that much free space
MCBrian is right, moving stuff to your memory card is the best way to free up space on the phone's memory and keep it from filling up unneccesarily. Like he said, first change the camera settings to always save to the card, otherwise that will always eat into your available on-board storage, and quickly. I would also suggest going into the current album of pics on the phone, deleting anything you don't want to save, and move whatever you do want to save into a "pics" folder on your card (HTC's photo album can include pics saved there as well). Same for music...store any and all of it on the card, not the phone's memory. The one caveat with that is that the HTC music player (the music tab in touchflo) doesn't always find music on the card, not for me anyway, but I never liked that player anyway.
Managing my memory that way has given me enough space that even with dozens of programs on the phone, all of them installed to the phone's memory, I still have 95MB free space for programs on there. In fact, I still have a fair amount of junk (stuff I tried but don't use, etc) in there that I need to go clear out. Installing some of your programs to the memory card can help too, but if you're careful you can keep enough storage memory on there available to be able to avoid ever needing to do that (and the hassle that comes with trying to figure out which programs are ok with being installed on the card, as well as managing/maintaining separate install locations).
If you're going to start using file explorer to dig around in your directories, I highly recommend you first install File Explorer Extension. It simply adds a lot of the stock destop file explorer functionality that's missing in the mobile version ("open with>" in the context menu, for example!)...makes a HUGE difference in ease of use when digging through your file structure. I attachted it below, "fexploreext v2.05.CAB"
For keeping your RAM ("running" memory) from growing too fast, I also suggest running the other 2 cabs I have attached below (SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy.cab and nopushinternet.cab), they make a big difference in the active memory management on the TP2, you'll probably see a noticable difference right after soft-reset.

Thanks for those CABs. I'm pretty good at managing the storage on things like this, I just couldn' find the files/folder on the newer phone using the options available in WinMo6+. I've been using an Axim for years runnign WinMo5 and earlier versions. Storage cards are pretty easy for me as I'm use to running stuff between the Main/CF/SD cards that I had on the Axim. I just have alot to learn about the newer 6.1 OS. Probably, by the time I get used to 6.1, Sprint will come out with 6.5(6,7,whatever) and I'll get to relearn everything all over again.
If there are any other programs you'd recommend to help me out I'd greatly appreciate it.

JohnMcD348 said:
Thanks for those CABs. I'm pretty good at managing the storage on things like this, I just couldn' find the files/folder on the newer phone using the options available in WinMo6+. I've been using an Axim for years runnign WinMo5 and earlier versions. Storage cards are pretty easy for me as I'm use to running stuff between the Main/CF/SD cards that I had on the Axim. I just have alot to learn about the newer 6.1 OS. Probably, by the time I get used to 6.1, Sprint will come out with 6.5(6,7,whatever) and I'll get to relearn everything all over again.
If there are any other programs you'd recommend to help me out I'd greatly appreciate it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well the file structure is obviously still pretty much the same windows-standard, just some locations moved around. The bad news is that none of the programs installed by default in the stock rom are removable through the normal remove programs dialog, or any 3rd-party app I've seen. However you can just go perform the same steps manually by deleting any folders matching the program/publisher's name in these locations:
<root>/program files
<root>/application data
<root>/windows/start menu
...and then searching in the registry to delete any keys in there for the program as well. You'll need a registry editor to do that, I've attached my favorite free one, PHM Regedit...just search your registry by the name of the program you're removing. If you're not familiar with messing around in the registry, there's guides available here, let me know if you need me to point you in that direction. And, as always, be SURE to make a backup copy of your registry (PHM can handle that for you) before making any changes.
Here's a couple of other utilites I've found useful:
Advanced_Configuration_Tool_v3.3.cab -Gives you acccess to all sorts of advanced UI and system configuration options, a favorite and often-referenced tool here at xda.
Extra Camera Modes.cab -unlocks some capture modes that the TP2 camera is capable of, but aren't enabled from the factory on US models. New modes include MMS video, Burst, Sport, and geotagged images
SDK certs.cab -windows authentification certifcates necessary for installing many hacks/apps/cabs/etc that are available here
DivXPlayer_PPC.cab -a lean, mean .avi player from the people who came up with DivX (the codec standard, not the movie rental crap lol). I rip my DVD's at home to ~700MB DivX files, save them on my memory card, and use this app to play them...it gives far better performance and quality than any of the other players I've tried.

Very Much appreciated.
Now, I seem to have another probelm and I don't know if it's my unfamiliarirty with the newer Sync Center or am I just doing something wrong, or if it's an issue with the programs I've got.
I'm new to both Win7 and WinMo6+(and touch flo, etc). Up to now I had XP(w/ ActiveSync) and my WinMo5 Axim.
I can't seem to get my programs installed onto my TP2. I use a prgram for work called Tarascon. It's a medical reference program. I tried to install it yesterday and I never got the repsonse on the TP2 to request permission to install it. Today, I tried to install SOTI's Pocket Controller and this time I did get the request and I installed it to the device but I can't find it anywhere on it. It didn't install an Icon on the device and I've looked through every place I could think and can't even find an installation file for it. I didn't get an install error or failure notice and my memory size dcreased 2MB so something happened.

Glad to help
Since I don't really know anything about the medical reference software you're using, my first suggestion would be to check with the publisher and make sure that the version you have is compatible with Win7 and WM6.x...often software that worked on WM5 won't work just right on 6.
As for SOTI Pocket Controller, the latest version available on the site should be compatible with your setup. When you install it, are you doing that by running a .exe file on your PC and then letting Mobile Device Center (the new generation of ActiveSync) handle the install from there? It might be advisable to just moving the .cab file for the program straight to your phone (device memory or storage card is fine), and run it from there to install...bypasses the MDC, and ends up doing the same thing in the long run. In fact, it might be worth trying the same thing (running the .cab straight from your phone) with the medial software you've got.

It might just be that I'm using Ver4 and it doesn't want to run right with the newer install setup(MDC).
It worked fine when I installed it on my Axim(WinMo5) and using WinXP(ActiveSync).
Another odd thing, every time I plug in my TP2 and MDC starts to Sync, I get the request from Win7 for the Tarascon program to initialize. So that tells me something, somewhere set a pointer to my TP2 to update the program. I think.

When they compare mobile to PC...

UFS 3.0, 12gb ram...this and that...meh
Just transfer file (3.4gb) from point A to point B...full 6 minutes...old HDD is faster

from?
to?
with?

neodemonium said:
from?
to?
with?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
One folder from downloads to DCIM...all internal using file manager

I just tested this with a 3.3gb test file and it took 1 minute 20 seconds. That's about 45MB/s I think.
Not great but there's definitely something wrong with your setup, I'm just testing with my work laptop.

Makonator said:
One folder from downloads to DCIM...all internal using file manager
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
it's normal that it is slow when you move a folder with lots of small files in it

There so much lacking given informations to know what could be the issue here.

yep you will only reach max transfer rates on a single large file, if you transfer a load of little files each file will start basically a new transfer meaning you will never reach the full potential. it's the same on every single digital device a single large file will always beat out a bunch of small ones, be it windows, mac, ios or android, it's just the way file transfer protocols work.

UFS 3 is fast, but data transfer can be slowed down for a myriad of reasons, most commonly the number of files, such as a 2GB folder with a thousand small files, will take wAAAAAy longer than a single 4GB file.
Aside of that, if you're talking about transferring from PC to phone, or vice versa, there's also the unfortunate thing about only one data transfer operation being able to occur at a time.
Maybe you can clarify your issue.

Yeah, plus it depends of the cable, the USB port type used, the transfer protocol chosen, etc etc.

Since I see that someone here didn't understand what I said...I've dl 2200 wallpapers in one folder on my note 10+...transfer that file from download folder of my phone to another folder...that took around 6 min. Just to make it clear, it was not from pc to phone...it was all on the phone.
I've just dl same folder on my pc, and move it from one HDD to another HDD, took not even full minute.
Maybe it could be app that I've use to move it...but I doubt...
BIG EDIT: IT WAS DAMN FILE MANAGER APP!!!
Just used stock file manager from note 10+ and it was almost instant move...lol...

it should be near instant on the same drive as it shouldn't actually move the files, it only needs to change the indexing information for the files, so the new folder structure comes into play, as the files on the drives don't have to be physically located in a certain place to be in a certain folder.

Develop Bugs

welcome