Just as the title asks, has anyone been able to unlock their Sprint Touch Pro 2, since Verizon's isnt out yet, to work on a US GSM carrier such as AT&T or T-Mobile?
Are the bands on the CDMA TP2s compatible with any of the 3G GSM networks, such as the 850/1700/1900/2100?
I just hate the fact that the GSM TP2s dont come with the 3.5mm headjack, but I wont bother with the CDMA TP2s if they cant work on a 3G GSM network.
Thanks!
Daniel
from the specs that ive found online, especifically the "insanely detailed review" that comes up when doing a google serch for sprint thouch pro 2 review. the cdma version will only support edge speeds.
I tried a canadian CDMA TP2 on a canadian GSM provider and only saw the E icon too. I'm in Oz now and have H full time. There are some radio settings in the GSM section of the phone options that I am gonna play with when I get home to see if it makes any difference. But it looks like it doesnt support 3G speeds in NA. Maybe after hard-spl, maybe radios simply missing?
I used my unlocked Telus TP2 with AT&T when I roam in the states. My device is unlocked and I have an AT&T SIM card. The sad thing as is noted 3G does not work.... gotta get that thing to work in future fixes.
Hardware issues
It is a hardware issue and will never be fixed. Our crappy US companies force HTC to cripple devices to try to limit our choice of phones we use on their networks!
I'm a little green when it comes to 3G stuff, but please correct me if I am wrong...
Yes, you can put foreign SIM cards in US TP2's but not get 3G coverage in Europe. On the other hand from what I have read, European TP2's (even the unbranded ones) will not work with 3G is the US.
And if I am wrong... can someone please point me to a TP2 that will work on 3G networks in most of the world?
Or does one have to have two TP2's to enjoy 3G.. one for the US, and one for Europe, etc.?
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I'm a little green when it comes to 3G stuff, but please correct me if I am wrong...
Yes, you can put foreign SIM cards in US TP2's but not get 3G coverage in Europe. On the other hand from what I have read, European TP2's (even the unbranded ones) will not work with 3G is the US.
And if I am wrong... can someone please point me to a TP2 that will work on 3G networks in most of the world?
Or does one have to have two TP2's to enjoy 3G.. one for the US, and one for Europe, etc.?
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Where have you heard that a NA TP2 won't work with 3G in EU?
The only limitation I'm aware of is a NA TP2 won't work w/ NA GSM 3G.
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Where have you heard that a NA TP2 won't work with 3G in EU?
The only limitation I'm aware of is a NA TP2 won't work w/ NA GSM 3G.
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Until someone hacks it
I can't remember where I read it. But someone said if you wanted 3G in Europe, better to get a Euro unbranded model.
So perhaps this is under the assumption that it isn't hacked... not sure.
Slightly, off-topic Q but rather than start a new thread.... once a HardSPL is out for both the CDMA and GSM TP2's... will they effectively be "equal" devoces?
I really would like to pick-up a TP2 in the next few days... I like the VZ unit, but it's CDMA and since I travel quite a bit, really prefer and need more of a GSM phone, but don't like the TMO as no 3.5mm jack.
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I can't remember where I read it. But someone said if you wanted 3G in Europe, better to get a Euro unbranded model.
So perhaps this is under the assumption that it isn't hacked... not sure.
Slightly, off-topic Q but rather than start a new thread.... once a HardSPL is out for both the CDMA and GSM TP2's... will they effectively be "equal" devoces?
I really would like to pick-up a TP2 in the next few days... I like the VZ unit, but it's CDMA and since I travel quite a bit, really prefer and need more of a GSM phone, but don't like the TMO as no 3.5mm jack.
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The Verizon unit already has international GSM bands unlocked, AND international (2100MHz 3G). If you've been a Verizon customer for 60 days or more you can call them up and get an unlock code for free and use any SIM card in your phone so you can get a cheap prepaid SIM and not pay the high Verizon roaming costs. There's also a small (I'd say around 25%) chance that the NA 3G bands will be found/unlocked, but at this point who really knows if they are there or not.
Actually the Telus CDMA TP2 supports the European 3G bands but not the American ones becuase technically you will be using it in North America on CDMA and outside America on GSM. So its the other way around
It seems that if you have the Sprint TP2 that it won't register at all on US GSM networks, but comes unlocked by default.
On Verizon (which I have) a simple phone call to support they'll give you the unlock code and you're good to go. I use an Orange (UK) Sim in mine just fine in the US and others in other forums have reported that using US SIM's from TMobile/AT&T work fine also in the US.
--chris
TP2 = best 'World' phone I've ever owned.
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I'm a little green when it comes to 3G stuff, but please correct me if I am wrong...
Yes, you can put foreign SIM cards in US TP2's but not get 3G coverage in Europe. On the other hand from what I have read, European TP2's (even the unbranded ones) will not work with 3G is the US.
And if I am wrong... can someone please point me to a TP2 that will work on 3G networks in most of the world?
Or does one have to have two TP2's to enjoy 3G.. one for the US, and one for Europe, etc.?
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I have an unbranded HTC factory TP2, and it works in 3G mode anywhere I take it that has the 3G network... and I travel all over the US/Caribbean and back to EU/UK. Have not found one spot it hasn't worked (inlcduing some of the very obscure Carib countries), and I like the fact that it automatically picks up HS when within range without having to change any settings.
Just have to make sure that your provider gives you a 3G SIM (most of them are these days) and that you have the 3G service enabled on your account in the respective country.
Many people say they can't pick it up yet don't have it on their account, or think that their EU provider will automatically provide it as part of the roaming service... which is not a good assumption to make.
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I have an unbranded HTC factory TP2, and it works in 3G mode anywhere I take it that has the 3G network... and I travel all over the US/Caribbean and back to EU/UK. Have not found one spot it hasn't worked (inlcduing some of the very obscure Carib countries), and I like the fact that it automatically picks up HS when within range without having to change any settings.
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3G in North America? I doubt that. The phone does not support North American 3G bands. Are you sure it was 3G in North America??
Man, this is all confusing... I swear somebody has to come up with an HTML table of what phones work with what and where and stickify it.
Can people just put this to bed already!!!
The Sprint (North America) TP2 is suppossed to be used on CDMA in the US and GSM worldwide, hence the GSM radio is unlocked for outside America GSM use. This is how it comes default. If that is so hard to grasp, then there is no hope for some, sadly.
As for the title, the TP2 is a world phone, it works in the US (and North Ameria) on CDMA and elsewhere unlocked on GSM. That to me is the true definition of a World phone from a U.S CDMA perspective (and especially moreso as this is the CDMA version).
To put it in perspective, a Sprint customer (in this case, moi) gets the best of CDMA in the U.S and when traveling to visit his sister in High Wycombe in the U.K (like i'll be doing this Autumm) gets to pop in a PAYG U.K sim in the same phone and use it while over there. This phone doesn't get any "worldlier" to me than this scenario!!
Is the O.P attempting to specifically define a dual mode CDMA/GSM-unlocked World phone as not world phone because it's locked by default from doing GSM in it's primary market which happens to be CDMA (and in this case Sprint)?
This is not rocket science folks, it really isn't.
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Is the O.P attempting to specifically define a dual mode CDMA/GSM-unlocked World phone as not world phone because it's locked by default from doing GSM in it's primary market which happens to be CDMA (and in this case Sprint)?
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Point taken. It's just that with that same Sprint phone (correct me if I am wrong), you can't travel to Canada pop in a Rogers SIM card and get Rogers 3G.
Wouldn't the phone want to swing towards it's CDMA cousin, Telus or Bell?
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3G in North America? I doubt that. The phone does not support North American 3G bands. Are you sure it was 3G in North America??
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AT&T 3G runs on 850/1900 GSM, the TP2 supports both of those bands, how would it not work with 3G on AT&T in the US?
T-Mobile runs 3G on 1700/2100 GSM bands, both of which aren't included on the TP2, as far as my research has lead me to believe.
Basically while it may be a quad band GSM phone, it is only a dual band 3G device. It comes in two flavours - UMTS 900+2100 or UMTS 1900+850
The 900/2100 version is far more common than 850/1900
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AT&T 3G runs on 850/1900 GSM, the TP2 supports both of those bands, how would it not work with 3G on AT&T in the US?
T-Mobile runs 3G on 1700/2100 GSM bands, both of which aren't included on the TP2, as far as my research has lead me to believe.
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It supports those bands for HSDPA CDMA not GSM 3G
Network 3G EVDO Rev A (800/1900 MHz), UMTS/HSPA (2100 MHz), GSM/ EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
This is the Telus version btw
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Point taken. It's just that with that same Sprint phone (correct me if I am wrong), you can't travel to Canada pop in a Rogers SIM card and get Rogers 3G.
Wouldn't the phone want to swing towards it's CDMA cousin, Telus or Bell?
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"it Depends"
The US CDMA phone operates in 3 modes.
1 CDMA Only
2 GSM Only
3 'Global' (whatever it can find).
If you have it in Global it will generally take the CDMA local carrier over anything else. However, not always. I've had mine switch to GSM for a bit then go back to CDMA. But mine is Verizon and unlocked so it works everywhere in the US and I also have a UK sim card in it. So I'm a little 'different'.
But, in any case, you can tell the phone which mode to use if you want. All upto you.
--chris
(verizon TP2)
here we go again... (tp2 3g na)
"I have an unbranded HTC factory TP2, and it works in 3G mode anywhere I take it that has the 3G network... and I travel all over the US/Caribbean and back to EU/UK. Have not found one spot it hasn't worked (inlcduing some of the very obscure Carib countries), and I like the fact that it automatically picks up HS when within range without having to change any settings."
So, maybe he's wrong. But either way...
You wanna know why this keeps coming up again and again?
(not because we're all dumb and thick headed, which we may very well be)
But,
Because we just have trouble imagining them hardware "band amplifier" hobbling the hardware when it's so much easier to do it somewhere in firmware.
We all know that the less you fiddle with the hardware for multi-region functionality the less you have to fiddle with the production line and fiddling with the production line is the Last Thing a manufacturer wants to do.
Someone even once said that there wasn't room in the Rhodium platform for quad band data support. But now we're expecting the tilt 2 to do just that.
So, all protestations aside, those of us who paid ~700 us clams for this beauty, and who like the kbd layout.
And who have like me (as quite the Early Adopter), forked out for an sx56, sx66, 8135, x7510((quad band data)
Just feel a leetle wee bit of a sense, dare I say it, of Entitlement for the TP2 to be enabled into a fully world wide phone.
So we keep hunting, and digging, and dreaming, and .... posting.....
well here is my two cents i have the original unlocked euro version of the tp2 and all i get in the us it edge. it is really impossible to get 3g in the US (2100) because this version of the phone literally does not have the attena for it. and so that you can see all the different types of tp2s and the technical and physical differences between them here is a link: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...&id3=1792&id4=1829&id5=1766&id6=1989&id7=1751
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well here is my two cents i have the original unlocked euro version of the tp2 and all i get in the us it edge. it is really impossible to get 3g in the US (2100) because this version of the phone literally does not have the attena for it. and so that you can see all the different types of tp2s and the technical and physical differences between them here is a link: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...&id3=1792&id4=1829&id5=1766&id6=1989&id7=1751
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3g in the USA must be on the 1700 band then, as thats the only gsm band that the euro version doesn't support.
Euro version
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS2100
TMOUS version
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS1700, UMTS2100
Anyone know of a good site to order a prepaid SIM card? I plan on using my VZW TP2 in Spain and France. I was also wondering if I should or could disable data and use my TP2 with Garmin XT so I don't get nailed for data usage. Your thoughts would be appreciated...
Mugs
I switched to ATT because my wife wanted an IPhone. I figured the Tilt2 was the same as the Touch Pro2 on Verzion. I knew about the stupid keyboard, but had not realized it was missing the 3.5mm headphone jack. This is a big issue since the adapter is crappy and loose and audio is very poor. I use it in the car and everytime I pick it up to change songs the audio drops out and pops...
Anyway.. The Verizon phone has a Quadband GSM radio and Dual Band CDMA.
I read many places it will work on ATT, but only on the Edge network not the 3G network. See this article: http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/verizon-wireless-cdma-touch-pro2-works-on-gsm-att-network
If i'm not mistaken ATT uses 1900mhz
The specs on the VZW TP2 say:
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
CDMA dual band (1900/800 MHz)
UMTS European/Asian 3G (2100 MHz)
Does anyone know if this can be fixed to offer full 3G?
I would imagine you wouldn't want to keep the stock Verizon Rom.
Could you flash the latest energy Rom on a VZW TP2 and select ATT as your carrier?
I would also imagine flashing the latest GSM radio might be bad??
Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
I'd love to dump the stupid keyboard layout and lack of 3.5mm jack...
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Does anyone know if this can be fixed to offer full 3G?
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It cannot.
I would also imagine flashing the latest GSM radio might be bad??
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Verizon released a Verizon TP2 radio upgrade in their official 6.5 ROM. A cab to install that radio alone without the official rom is definitely on PPCgeeks, and I'd imagine it's floating around here somewhere too. I don't know what you mean by "the latest GSM radio", but stick to the radio upgrade Verizon offered and don't flash anything intended for a solo GSM version of the TP2.
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I don't know what you mean by "the latest GSM radio", but stick to the radio upgrade Verizon offered and don't flash anything intended for a solo GSM version of the TP2.
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Thats what I meant.. The solo ATT GSM Radio. I figured it would be bad. There are many warnings that say it would be bad, But until just now I have not seen the REASON it's "BAD".... Bad can be relative.
If I'm on VZW and I flash a GSM radio and loose my CDMA.. Yeah thats bad!
But If I'm taking my VZW phone to ATT and I lose my CDMA but gain 3G.. Thats not so bad.
If I just brick the device... Thats really bad.
From some other posts I just read.. I think it bricks the device..
So for now.. I'll stick with the Tilt2.
to use the the verizon tp2 on the att network you have to flash a gsm radio. its disabled because of fcc rules. you will loose cdma functionality. atts 3g network uses umts(wcdma) 1900 and the verizon tps has umts 2100 which is used everywhere except north america. you can find guides on how to convert a cdma touch pro 2 to a gsm one.
Hi!
I'm considering buying a HTC TP2 from USA. I'm from Portugal...
1 - Does this device work on Europe?
2 - I saw 3 versions: Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile wich one is the best?
3- Any diferences between this network branded devices and the HTC TP2 "OEM"?
Thanks
Im from Sweden and im considering doing this myself.
The operator versions have nicer looking keyboards and 3.5mm jack wich is a plus for more.
I dont know about the rest but the verizon version has cdma wich is something that only works in usa but also a sim slot for global roaming so i think it will work.
Theres lots of info on youtube about the different versions.
heres a comparisson between all the US versions.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1931&id2=2016&id3=1792&id4=1829
Pay attention to the UMTS bands and compare that to what your local network supports.
They should all be able to do voice and EDGE data but not sure about HSDPA or 3G.
Also only the CDMA versions have the 3.5mm headset jack.
i believe the sprint version is the only CDMA model that is sim unlocked out of the box
the battery cover is ugly though
As the question states I'm a bit of a newb to the actual developing of programs however why is it that there is an way more GSM roms/kernels/hacks for GSM GN or any phone for that matter?
Is it harder to develop for CDMA? or is it just less popular?
I have a verizon CDMA GN and understand its way new but am wondering if I should not get my hopes up on lots of different roms to choose from?
Coming from my old samsung vibrant its a bit of a change.
Thanks!
because gsm has been out alot longer
-Gsm has been out since november
-Cdma has only been out for a week or less. I believe it dropped last thursday morning.
as droidstyle said, it's basically because of the time.
the GSM version has been out since november, and is useable all over europe, and also in the united states on AT&T and T-Mobile.
the CDMA-LTE version has barely been out for a week, and is only available on verizon and is not useable anywhere else.
so already you have a larger userbase and timespan for the GSM.
but honestly, don't worry about it. all the major roms like cyanogen will come out for both.
Yeah pretty simple answer is GSM has a way larger population of owners, and been out 4 times as long as the CDMA version.
GSM is sold mainly in Europe and can be used on two U.S. carriers, where as the CDMA version is on one single U.S carrier only. And the CDMA phone just came out on Thursday.
Now if we get the other U.S. CDMA carrier to get this phone = Sprint that would help development, plus I believe one of the largest carriers in China is also CDMA ?
Plus I don't believe it would be too hard to port the GSM roms to the Verizon Nexus....Right?