I would add a Palm Treo Pro
5 way Navigator with Center Button for easier navigation.
Overclocking processor to 800Mhz all I ask!!
TAB missing key
The one button I would want to add to ALL windows mobile devices is a task manager button. Then bind that to your favourite task manager and there you have it, simple multitasking without the need to go to the today screen
cris_rowlands said:
The one button I would want to add to ALL windows mobile devices is a task manager button. Then bind that to your favourite task manager and there you have it, simple multitasking without the need to go to the today screen
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The PTT button on the Tilt 2 works great for that
Add in AE Button Plus and you can do single, double, triple, and long presses for even more options.
I would trade my zoom bar for ANY kind of hardware direction control in portrait mode...D-pad, trackball, trackpad, an 8-way cucumber, anything!!
I'd even be happy if the current 4 face buttons were set in a "+" arrangement, with a single short press being for direction, and a long-press for the default (current) function
EDIT: Yes, I know I can make the buttons work in that fashion via remapping...it's the layout that I'm whining and pining for
I agree, I miss the D-Pad from my MDA, the TP2 is useless for games that use a D-Pad
great photoshop skills
and +1 on d-pad
eknutson said:
The PTT button on the Tilt 2 works great for that
Add in AE Button Plus and you can do single, double, triple, and long presses for even more options.
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Sadly, I have a Touch Pro 2, not a Tilt 2
One of the very few differences between these 2 devices is the TP2 doesnt have a PTT button :'(
Otherwise that would be INSTANTLY turned into a taskman button
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Hi!
Is it somebody using any kind of Button Mapper? And how it works for you?
I have tryied few:
Vito Button Mapper didn't work at all.
Dabble launcher ... this soft can see only 4btns: GPS, Recording, Internet and Camera (Recording didn't work properly, gives me some kind of mistake with buttons.exe)
And last one what I tried it was AE Button Plus (but I didn’t have enough time to take a closer look on it)
So, what is you experience? Any luck?
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Hi!
Is it somebody using any kind of Button Mapper? And how it works for you?
I have tryied few:
Vito Button Mapper didn't work at all.
Dabble launcher ... this soft can see only 4btns: GPS, Recording, Internet and Camera (Recording didn't work properly, gives me some kind of mistake with buttons.exe)
And last one what I tried it was AE Button Plus (but I didn’t have enough time to take a closer look on it)
So, what is you experience? Any luck?
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In the past for the S200 (PROPHET ) we used a very nice applet, Softkey applet.
I am wondering if anyone has used that on the ARTEMIS.
Gerigo-Greece said:
In the past for the S200 (PROPHET ) we used a very nice applet, Softkey applet.
I am wondering if anyone has used that on the ARTEMIS.
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Try it yourself and report to the forum
Have tried it. Softkey Applet That is and it works nicely on the ARTEMIS.
The applet can be found on this forum under another link.(Prophet-Softkeys)
No, I am not looking for soft key applet ... My Soft keys working fine (and I have already installed soft for it, it comes in the rom) I can change them as I want ... But the question was: That I want to find soft which gives you opportunity to do a: Double click, Press and hold and etc.
Thanks ...
AE button plus
Here's an older reply of mine to a similar request for a button mapper.
Must have application for onehanders is a small utility called AE Button Plus at http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus.php. This allows you to map any number of system functions and applications to buttons (each button can acquire 3 more functions by double, triple and long press). For instance, I have mapped the mouse courser to a double click of a button. I have also mapped my ok button so that it really closes applications on a long press.
I know I sound like a sales rep but I am just a appreciative user.
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Here's an older reply of mine to a similar request for a button mapper.
Must have application for onehanders is a small utility called AE Button Plus at http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus.php. This allows you to map any number of system functions and applications to buttons (each button can acquire 3 more functions by double, triple and long press). For instance, I have mapped the mouse courser to a double click of a button. I have also mapped my ok button so that it really closes applications on a long press.
I know I sound like a sales rep but I am just a appreciative user.
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Yes, I have tryed it ... but what about "Win" buttoon? What eppening when you press it? On my device its gives me button.exe mistake ... did you had any problem with that soft?
Cheers
j0kkk3r said:
Yes, I have tryed it ... but what about "Win" buttoon? What eppening when you press it? On my device its gives me button.exe mistake ... did you had any problem with that soft?
Cheers
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jokkk3r - You are getting the buttons.exe error because you had Vito
Button Mapper installed at one time. I assume that you uninstalled it after you found that it didn't work (I did the same) - however, even after uninstall of Vito, any button that is not remapped by another app or by you through the standard WM5 button console will be stuck with the registry values that were assigned by Vito. So when that button is pressed again, the registry is telling it to look for the Vito software (called buttons.exe) that you have uninstalled. Hence, the error "buttons.exe not found."
Long story short, just disable any button mapping app you have running and then use the WM5 console to remap all problem buttons (even if it looks like they are already set.) Then start using your button mapping app again and the error should be gone.
By the way, I had the same problem with my record button (on press and hold) with Double Launcher. Single press, double press, and triple press would work, but press-and-hold would give me the error. That's how I found this solution. I still use Double Launcher despite the fact that it only sees 4 buttons (4x4=16 mappings is more than enough for me to try to remember! ) As I said - to get the press and hold function to work, you have to first disable DL and remap that function to whatever you want within WM5 - then use DL to remap the other 15 functions and the one you mapped in WM5 should remain (just don't assign anything to record button press-and-hold within DL)
Have tried it. Softkey Applet That is and it works nicely on the ARTEMIS.
The applet can be found on this forum under another link.(Prophet-Softkeys)
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jokkk3r - You are getting the buttons.exe error because you had Vito
Button Mapper installed at one time. I assume that you uninstalled it after you found that it didn't work (I did the same) - however, even after uninstall of Vito, any button that is not remapped by another app or by you through the standard WM5 button console will be stuck with the registry values that were assigned by Vito. So when that button is pressed again, the registry is telling it to look for the Vito software (called buttons.exe) that you have uninstalled. Hence, the error "buttons.exe not found."
Long story short, just disable any button mapping app you have running and then use the WM5 console to remap all problem buttons (even if it looks like they are already set.) Then start using your button mapping app again and the error should be gone.
By the way, I had the same problem with my record button (on press and hold) with Double Launcher. Single press, double press, and triple press would work, but press-and-hold would give me the error. That's how I found this solution. I still use Double Launcher despite the fact that it only sees 4 buttons (4x4=16 mappings is more than enough for me to try to remember! ) As I said - to get the press and hold function to work, you have to first disable DL and remap that function to whatever you want within WM5 - then use DL to remap the other 15 functions and the one you mapped in WM5 should remain (just don't assign anything to record button press-and-hold within DL)
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psargent I am really appreciating it. It’s solved my problem, and even the recording button doing everything what I need You are the man
Cheers ...
SPB pocket plus
softkey applet lets you change only 2 soft buttons
And SPB pocket plus do the rest of work - 6 other buttons are remmapable
And SPB plus also give you the really close applications button and many many more...
I`m using softkeya applet + spb pocket plus - it`s great
Instead of IE I mapped the alt-tab button
Instead of GPS - close app button
Instead of camera at the right side - rotate screen
Left soft key - Explorer
Right soft key - Contacts
j0kkk3r said:
psargent I am really appreciating it. It’s solved my problem, and even the recording button doing everything what I need You are the man
Cheers ...
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Glad to help! Have a great day!
I have searched and read almost every post regarding remapping of ok button.
Can anybody tell me if ok button on front side of hermes near call buttons and softkeys be remapped.
I am aeb buttons but it doesnt have option for it?
any thing else i can try?
I think ae buttons have the option to do what you want...
When you go to the configuration window where you can set the funtion to each button even that the front ok button is not listed there is an option of custom button or something like that, select that option, then pres the button you want (the fron ok) and then asign the function you would like to add...
Sorry I could not be more detailed but I only use this software for very few time because when instaled, the scroll wheel didn't respond...
hope it helps...
Regards
Mablan
As far as I know, nobody has published a way to do this. However, If you havent already, there is a way to hack the PTT button, which I use to change the volume. You can assign any function that you want for buttons 1-5 @ start-->settings-->personal-->buttons. There is also a cab in the hermes section to remap your softkeys. You may want to talk to Sleuth255 (he was the one who hacked the PTT) to see if there is a way to do this for the ok button.
mablan said:
I think ae buttons have the option to do what you want...
When you go to the configuration window where you can set the funtion to each button even that the front ok button is not listed there is an option of custom button or something like that, select that option, then pres the button you want (the fron ok) and then asign the function you would like to add...
Sorry I could not be more detailed but I only use this software for very few time because when instaled, the scroll wheel didn't respond...
hope it helps...
Regards
Mablan
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Worked like a charm
100x thanx 2 u
i know this forum rocks
hi guys, i am also looking for something similar to this. i have noticed that when i press the ok button on the front, or on the keyboard that it only minimises the program rather than closing it. now the background behind that is i have HTC X button on LVSW 3.30.0.9 (soon to be 3.30.2.1). and that is set to close the program.
EDIT: i stand corrected. i just googled ae button and noticed it was a program. i shall try that and see how it goes.
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hi guys, i am also looking for something similar to this. i have noticed that when i press the ok button on the front, or on the keyboard that it only minimises the program rather than closing it. now the background behind that is i have HTC X button on LVSW 3.30.0.9 (soon to be 3.30.2.1). and that is set to close the program.
EDIT: i stand corrected. i just googled ae button and noticed it was a program. i shall try that and see how it goes.
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I have been looking for something to do this since the Hermes dropped.. I would love to find a way to make a press on OK minimize the app and a hold on it to close the app.. Still nothing?
Edit: I second the edit above...
that one may be possible with a combination of x button and ae button.... i havent tried it and am still trying things with ae button. but it may be possible.
ok. i am using ae button now and have noticed a few things.
one. the memory manager is pretty cool
two. when i go to add the front ok button above the 'end' key, it comes up with button #4075. when i try to remap that as 'close active application' it does nothing. not even minimise it.
three. it works when i remap the internet key to 'close active application' it closes it completely.
four. the same happens when i add and try to remap the ok button on the keyboard to the same thing.
and five. i notice that the button #4075. the ok button on the front, says 'change volume or.... 1. close active application'
which is odd.
the rest of the remapping works well. except for added the ok buttons.
I've been searching forever for a low memory application that lets you map the close app to a button on the phone. The closest thing ive found is wisbar lite but i really dpnt wanna install that.
ae button plus lets you do it
never heard of it can you give me the link? thanks for the quick responce
PHM Keys
PHM Keys will work as well to assign Close to a button:
http://www.phm.lu/products/PocketPC/Keys/
Although the app shows as having been built in 2004, it works perfectly on every device I've tried (up to and including Hermes). The Alt+Tab option for a button is pretty handy sometimes too.
http://soft.photoracer.net/docs/wktask_en.html try this and you will never use x button that comes with the phone..it was option for mapping a button as well
also this link has a zip to map the launcher to open and close apps..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=330855&page=2
I've been Using SoftsKey And you can map The Soft Key to Close apps...As far as Using a Hardware Button Like on the side of the Hermes. The apps Mentioned abov Work well.
Can PHM Keys assign the real closing feature of X-button to the OK button?
Anakill said:
Can PHM Keys assign the real closing feature of X-button to the OK button?
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look here , use the ALTF4 program
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315906&highlight=altf4
BR
edward
Hi, I recently bougth a Samsung i780 (italian unbranded), I would like to use the volume buttons as scroller, I tried both Aebutton and Smartkeys and both are working almost fine.
Almost...
With both the utility the smartphone hangs whenever I launch the camera app, no matter if I use a program shortcut or the HW button, no matter if the default camera HWbutton is enabled or not.
Any other user faced this problem ?
Any workaround found ?
Any other sw I can use ?
Thanks in advance.
hi. I have had EXACTLY the same problem as I have tried to do exactly what you have done with the volume buttons. sometimes it works and sometimes not. . (actually I couldn't figure out what was making the camera hang - u think its aebutton: could be...). the i780 is a great device, basically my tytn ii but faster. slimmer and a far better form factor. mouse ideas is novel but it does miss the directional arrow buttons.
anyway. I haven't figured out a fix yet, just wanted to show my support for your post!
Yep !
Exactly the same here ! Hope I will find a software that works !
Thanks for your interest, i hope some more skilled user(s) can help us to solve the problem.
In the meantime I'm go to ask some help to Alexander Eltsin (the author of AeBUTTON PLUS), but I'm afraid that the response will be the same as when I asked about the the treo 750 problem (no device in my hand, not a lot I can do).
on my treo 650 and 680 i could assign a shortcut to ANY key on my keyboard (long pusdh). Anyone know which software can do this?
PQZ II, a freeware, can remap buttons, works on volume and the camera button as ok, and the camera keeps on working!! plus you can get more then one set of remapping using assigned alt and ctrl keys, really nice app, although buttons plus double, tripple press is great.
Also is there a solution to the mouse button not doing a long press to the "right click" menu like the regular dpad middle button or stylus long press? it's really annoying samsung not adding that, there are no direction keys so by default you cant even use the soft menu button because once you make a file it is executed.... nm PQZ solves this with the volume button, plus the annoying problem that the volume button works while device locked in pocket is also solved by this.
could you explain if its possible to remap the volume keys, using them has scroll???
sttifler said:
could you explain if its possible to remap the volume keys, using them has scroll???
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I think that if you read the first post you get the answer.
Has anyone got pqz working on samsung i780 yet? none of the cabs work on my device!
If you got it working could you please tell me which cab you used?
EwoutK said:
Has anyone got pqz working on samsung i780 yet? none of the cabs work on my device!
If you got it working could you please tell me which cab you used?
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the one for hermes install and works... I'm trying to set it up at the moment...
sevet said:
PQZ II, a freeware, can remap buttons, works on volume and the camera button as ok, and the camera keeps on working!! plus you can get more then one set of remapping using assigned alt and ctrl keys, really nice app, although buttons plus double, tripple press is great.
Also is there a solution to the mouse button not doing a long press to the "right click" menu like the regular dpad middle button or stylus long press? it's really annoying samsung not adding that, there are no direction keys so by default you cant even use the soft menu button because once you make a file it is executed.... nm PQZ solves this with the volume button, plus the annoying problem that the volume button works while device locked in pocket is also solved by this.
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can you show us how to configure it to remap volume keys to up/down?
Tested multiple version of PQz - it works and seem to be really powerful - unfortunately it is not able to catch the volume up/down on the I780. Any other key is recognized except volume up/down....
Ok managed to make it work (basically I've missed the flag to enable use of volume buttons).
I can confirm it works and doesn't broke the camera button!!
thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!!!
What version do i install? Can anyone help me configure the aplication?
Many Thks
thering said:
What version do i install? Can anyone help me configure the aplication?
Many Thks
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Hi,
The 0.0.8c version did not work but the 0.0.8 works very well on the i780 !!
It seems to be a very good software, with many possibilities (like AE button plus, perhaps with even more options) and it seems to take less memory
Very good, very cool.
Tks to sevet for your link ;
Regards
anyone experience many crash of PqzII?
How can i configure the volume keys to do up an down?
Thks
thering said:
How can i configure the volume keys to do up an down?
Thks
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Configure the apps (you can launch PQzII_Setup in the installation folder):
- flag "enalbe volume key convert" in the Window section
- in the Code section flag "use this section" and add a mapping IN= VOL-U => OUT=UP, IN=VOL-D => OUT=DOWN
PQZ II is not working at all on my device! The only thing I get is a little white square wich opens in front on my device...
Anyone who has a clue how to fix this?
just read the docs....
you have to tap on the square until a menu popup
Sorry if this was mentioned before but there is a way to create a d-pad using the AE Button Plus
http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus.php
I did it using the increase and decrease volume and changed them to up and down scrolling,
Thanks
pantelis25 said:
Sorry if this was mentioned before but there is a way to create a d-pad using the AE Button Plus
http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus.php
I did it using the increase and decrease volume and changed them to up and down scrolling,
Thanks
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The reason Rhodium doesn't have a D-pad in the first place is because you are suppose to use the phone with the qwerty keyboard out most of the time.
poetryrocksalot said:
The reason Rhodium doesn't have a D-pad in the first place is because you are suppose to use the phone with the qwerty keyboard out most of the time.
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It doesn't have a dpad because a) they thought it didn't need one because dpads are so 2005 and b) there wasn't room for everything and reviewers are already fond of calling it a brick.
I didn't notice AEB+ using the zoom bar as a dpad, but that's the hack I'm hoping for. Maybe it can capture the zoom bar action, I'm just not sure.
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It doesn't have a dpad because a) they thought it didn't need one because dpads are so 2005 and b) there wasn't room for everything and reviewers are already fond of calling it a brick.
I didn't notice AEB+ using the zoom bar as a dpad, but that's the hack I'm hoping for. Maybe it can capture the zoom bar action, I'm just not sure.
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Just trust me on this...the reason is that the keyboard qwerty is good enough"
Think about PLEASE!!!!!
Why the hell would you buy a phone with qwerty keyboard, ctrl, arrow keys, and proper function indicators? Obviously because you rely on those.
And if you rely on those than you obviously already have a D-Pad called "Arrow Keys" and "Enter/Select Key"
Also don't you find it absolutely ****ing pointless to have a volume control keys be used as a scroll wheel when you lack a freaking "select" button?
Man what are you people thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would you use up and down with volume rocker just to highlight an item and then tap on the same exact item to select it.
Why would you use a freaking volume rocker to scroll down a page when you obviously can do it better with a freaking stylus?
The same goes for the zoom bar!!! That ludicrously illogical to use zoom bar to highlight items and then having to get the stylus out to tap it. Waste of time and efficiency without a freaking "enter/select key"
Think aF***ingBout It! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
poetryrocksalot said:
Why the hell would you buy a phone with qwerty keyboard, ctrl, arrow keys, and proper function indicators? Obviously because you rely on those.
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In order to type. It is entirely possible, and preferable to some to navigate without always having it open.
Now, about your caffeine intake...
fortunz said:
In order to type. It is entirely possible, and preferable to some to navigate without always having it open.
Now, about your caffeine intake...
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haha that's hilarious
DPad Desire
I just got my TP2 a few days ago, my personal desire would be a DPAD app that uses the whole keyboard, so generically pressing rowards the left of the keys is left (like Q,W,A,S,D), towards the top is up (like 4,5,6,R,T,Y) etc. etc.
Then an assignable button for select, like space bar or FN.
Anyway, it would make sense to me and be easier to use especially for games , I find the DPAD being on the bottom right a bit annoying but they've done a good job fitting it all in!
Calm the hell down! How old are you, 12? The dpad is nice when you are only holding the phone with one hand. It is nearly impossible to use it with one hand while open. If your reasons why it doesn't have a dpad were true then the last 4 generations of HTC sliders wouldn't have a dpad. It doesn't have a dpad for multiple reasons including the iPhone's lack of a dpad, how a USABLE (Touch Pro!) dpad doesn't look good, and the lack of room on the front.
Up/Down without enter is still somewhat useful if you are reading something while only holding the phone with one hand. You can always map something else to be enter, like long press on start or back. I will DEFINITELY experiment with this once AT&T releases the Touch Pro 2 since I still do use it on my TP.
If only they put a ball or sensor like tbe Samsung Epix and new Blackberries have it would have greatly increased one handed usability.
so HOW can you map different actions to the zoom slider? like scroll?!
petard said:
Calm the hell down! How old are you, 12? The dpad is nice when you are only holding the phone with one hand. It is nearly impossible to use it with one hand while open. If your reasons why it doesn't have a dpad were true then the last 4 generations of HTC sliders wouldn't have a dpad. It doesn't have a dpad for multiple reasons including the iPhone's lack of a dpad, how a USABLE (Touch Pro!) dpad doesn't look good, and the lack of room on the front.
Up/Down without enter is still somewhat useful if you are reading something while only holding the phone with one hand. You can always map something else to be enter, like long press on start or back. I will DEFINITELY experiment with this once AT&T releases the Touch Pro 2 since I still do use it on my TP.
If only they put a ball or sensor like tbe Samsung Epix and new Blackberries have it would have greatly increased one handed usability.
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He spaced the hell outta himself one time.. pissing of an employee at SE so he wouldnt give us valuable info anymore on a new phone that comes out in the end of the year
pantelis25 said:
Sorry if this was mentioned before but there is a way to create a d-pad using the AE Button Plus
http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus.php
I did it using the increase and decrease volume and changed them to up and down scrolling,
Thanks
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pantelis if you need a d-pad on a tp2.. try the acer m900.. it looks like the tp2 and has a fingerprint scanner that you can use as d-pad.. better camera with flash too.. but no tilting, ****ed up RAM, and a ****ed up KB
poetryrocksalot said:
Just trust me on this...the reason is that the keyboard qwerty is good enough"
Also don't you find it absolutely ****ing pointless to have a volume control keys be used as a scroll wheel when you lack a freaking "select" button?
Man what are you people thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would you use up and down with volume rocker just to highlight an item and then tap on the same exact item to select it.
Why would you use a freaking volume rocker to scroll down a page when you obviously can do it better with a freaking stylus?
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this may be your oponion, but that's no reason for putting other people down.
personnaly i use the volume buttons as up/down. thsi works very wel if you are scrolling in your emails. if i want to clean up my mailbox i can scroll the mails and delete them with my left soft-key. ik i tap the email is opened, but i dont always want to open the mail because this is time-consuming.
So you see, for some people these functions can be very usefull.
So please have an open mind en don't think you opinion is the only one.
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xdadJeroen said:
pantelis if you need a d-pad on a tp2.. try the acer m900.. it looks like the tp2 and has a fingerprint scanner that you can use as d-pad.. better camera with flash too.. but no tilting, ****ed up RAM, and a ****ed up KB
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Ive seen the reviews. The OS is bs its generally a bs phone. Wouldnt bother with it. Although fingerprint scanner is very cool.
On topic: SCROLL WITH ZOOM BAR! Had the wheel as a scroller on my TP and i want similar on my TP2
poetryrocksalot said:
The reason Rhodium doesn't have a D-pad in the first place is because you are suppose to use the phone with the qwerty keyboard out most of the time.
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What about the Topaz? It doesn't have a QWERTY keyboard or a D-pad.
poetryrocksalot said:
Just trust me on this...the reason is that the keyboard qwerty is good enough"
Think about PLEASE!!!!!
Why the hell would you buy a phone with qwerty keyboard, ctrl, arrow keys, and proper function indicators? Obviously because you rely on those.
And if you rely on those than you obviously already have a D-Pad called "Arrow Keys" and "Enter/Select Key"
Also don't you find it absolutely ****ing pointless to have a volume control keys be used as a scroll wheel when you lack a freaking "select" button?
Man what are you people thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would you use up and down with volume rocker just to highlight an item and then tap on the same exact item to select it.
Why would you use a freaking volume rocker to scroll down a page when you obviously can do it better with a freaking stylus?
The same goes for the zoom bar!!! That ludicrously illogical to use zoom bar to highlight items and then having to get the stylus out to tap it. Waste of time and efficiency without a freaking "enter/select key"
Think aF***ingBout It! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OMG. Somebody is a grumpy-pants and got up on the wrong side of the bed.
This phone would be almost perfect if it had a scroll wheel or a D-pad. This device uses WM6.1 and this is the norm for WM6.1 (this may change with WM6.5)
I can easily envision how the use of the zoom bar or the volume buttons as a scroll wheel or d-pad replacement could work efficiently and better than the "freaking" stylus. All because you lack the vision to make it work doesn't mean that it cannot work well.
For example. The zoom bar could have five zones: up, left, select, right, & down. Just put some tape over the zoom bar with the map, and viola.
Also, what about phones like the Topaz? Where's the "freaking" arrow keys or the enter/select key?
You may be content with the phone, but others may not.