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Hi everyone,
I've been going through the numerous threads talking about different versions of ROMs for wm6(on XDA EXEC). As a newbie, I would appreciate if you could help/suggest me the safest way and the best/latest WM6 Rom. I see different threads talking about upgrading using the bootloader method. However, the downloaded ROMs (XDA_Exec_WWE_20108_20301_11300_wwe_ship) have a inbuilt installer. I'm confused and wondering if bootloader was an older method used while having the inbuilt installer(exe) is the lates one.
I know some of you would refer me to already existing threads here which I've already gone through and thats what is causing the confusion to me.
Thanks
Rajat
that rom upgrade you mentioned the file name of is the newest released and easiest to install. just connect to active sync and run the upgrade, that's basically it.
There are a couple of additions to that just to be on the safe side...
1. Make sure battery fully charged before flash
2. Remove SIM card and SD card
... then, flash away.
Basically with ROM updates, there are OEM releases from your provider which are bundled packages consisting of Radio, OS, and ExtROM updates. Then there are the ROMs here written by the developers who mostly release just the OS ROM for you to install to give you choice on the other components (this is where bootloader is required). Jwright has released a full package in his latest WM6 release which does not require bootloader.
It's all quite straightforward if a little nerve racking at first, and well done for not blindly flashing before doing a little research.
Each developer's ROM will have different features and add-on's. Each radio seems to perform differently depending on geographics (don't quote me on that, just appears work for some, not others) and each ExtROM will contain further optional add-on CAB's or blank so you can use as storage.
You really have to read each release thread and work out if the components included match closely enough with your requirements... then read through some of the thread to see what tweaks are necessary, freezing problems, etc and take it from there.
I've tried all but one of the WM6 ROMs and they are all great, but each different too, and Jwright's suits my needs best, and is the most stable with my installed apps and tweaks, but this may not be the case for you.
Don't be put off by bootloader. It's just for developed ROMs not packaged with an installer like you say.
My advice: Stick with your current Radio! Start with a OS ROM flash that you like the sound of. My personal favourites are Midget's and Jwright's. One thing I can say for sure is that any one of the developed ROM's will completely change your device's performance and capabilities compared to your operator's releases!!!
Hope it helps, and good luck
What exactly does WWE Rom mean
Please pardon my ignorance. I have gone through most of the posts but could not find a clear explaination giving the difference between WWE Rom and other ROMs. Could anyone explain.
Where can I get the WM6 rom from, as I had a look on the FTP site and couldn't find the one mentioned in the first post.
Basically, I have the O2 XDA Exec and just want to upgrade to WM6, so what are the different roms (Midget/JWright). Are there different roms for different providers?
Also, what are radio/extended/cooked/dumped roms?
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d_ranade said:
Please pardon by ignorance. I have gone through most of the posts but could not find a clear explaination giving the difference between WWE Rom and other ROMs. Could anyone explain.
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wwe means "world wide english"
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wwe means "world wide english"
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Thanks aniel.
I think it is important that all people testing this rom have the best radio suited to it.
This would eliminate some of the connection issues people are clogging the forum with. Several reported user issues have been due to them using old RADIO versions that don't work well with WM6.
We need to bug fix the ROM, connection problems are more likely to be RADIO related than ROM related.
Kyphur has asked me to start a poll asking:
SHOULD THE BEST WORKING RADIO BE BUNDLED WITH THE NEXT XDA LIVE RELEASE? v0.30
What do you think?
Dumb question, but is there any "easy" way to downgrade the radio if the device needs to be sent in for warranty?
I still say no, thw whole point behind cooking ROMs is customisation, the only thing Kyphur will have to concentrate on is the OS making it better than if he had to work on radio aswell, also what happens to use people who have a new version of the radio (1.35.00.11 for example) do we have to downgrade?!
Any radio problems can be narrowed down to just the individual radio versions and not blamed on Kyphur aswell!?
I say we mix and match our OS/ExtROM/Radio etc... as we like and let Kyphur get on with developing this (already brilliant) ROM.
I think people should install the Radio ROM they prefer, not be forced into an update if it's not necessary.
Now, if we could just crack that ExtROM...
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I still say no, thw whole point behind cooking ROMs is customisation, the only thing Kyphur will have to concentrate on is the OS making it better than if he had to work on radio aswell, also what happens to use people who have a new version of the radio (1.35.00.11 for example) do we have to downgrade?!
Any radio problems can be narrowed down to just the individual radio versions and not blamed on Kyphur aswell!?
I say we mix and match our OS/ExtROM/Radio etc... as we like and let Kyphur get on with developing this (already brilliant) ROM.
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Fair points!
How about just a RADIO recommendation from Kyphur then? You're right, lets not add extra workload, just make a suggestion as to which radio instead?
Users can then make their own minds up as you suggest.
Squuiid said:
Fair points!
How about just a RADIO recommendation from Kyphur then? You're right, lets not add extra workload, just make a suggestion as to which radio instead?
Users can then make their own minds up as you suggest.
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A radio recommendation would be a good idea, like at the moment I gather from numerous posts radio 1.27 and hihger would be the preferred to use.
(P.s: sorry I read my last post, looked kinda forcefull)
(not a noob but not an expert :s)
what is the best radio to use tho? hehe
if i go to the wiki page download the 1.35.00.11 Download note: GPS Enabled!
run it
(same installer as for the rom)
and i go for it?
will it change anything to the current config?
thx a Lot
Kartboy said:
(not a noob but not an expert :s)
what is the best radio to use tho? hehe
if i go to the wiki page download the 1.35.00.11 Download note: GPS Enabled!
run it
(same installer as for the rom)
and i go for it?
will it change anything to the current config?
thx a Lot
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Test a few and find which one works best for you... It's amazing how little people are willing to experiment.
(I guess I was asking a lot of questions regarding ROM building, but that's something that could seriously screw a phone if you're not careful and I can't afford another Hermes right now!)
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A radio recommendation would be a good idea, like at the moment I gather from numerous posts radio 1.27 and hihger would be the preferred to use.
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I agree. Just recommend a min version and leave the ROM with OS only.
I can think of 2 more reasons for not bundling the radio, further to what has been said above:
1) you avoid making the upgrade process process longer and
2)if people have a preference for a particular radio (different than what is bundled), they would need to reflash their radio every time they upgrade the ROM from 0.3 to 0.4 and to 0.5, ...,etc.
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richy240 said:
Test a few and find which one works best for you... It's amazing how little people are willing to experiment.
(I guess I was asking a lot of questions regarding ROM building, but that's something that could seriously screw a phone if you're not careful and I can't afford another Hermes right now!)
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Why experiment when u got all this knowledge grouped in a forum,
not knowing if u might brick ur phone or not
IMHO radio should not be included with xda-live distribution. If flash fails while flashing OS or splash screens, nothing happens to the device, but if flash fails when flashing radio device is more dificult to unbrick.
I think the user should choose which radio he wants to have, and we do provide ways of upgrading only the radio.
An emphatic NO - don't include a radio.
1. One of the original ideas of this rom was to provide a stable OS with as few add-ons as possible.
2. This WIKI and forum encourages and helps us to learn about our phones, make informed judgements and customise to suit ourselves. OS, software, use, location etc are all user specific. What works for you doesn't work always for me.
3. There is already a suggestion of US and Rest of World roms to fix localised problems (PTT vs video). Does Kyphur then have to release these versions with & without his (our) chosen radio? Do each of these 4 roms also have to be released with & without Adobe? (now 8 roms)... etc, etc...
4. I travel all over the world with my job and I notice a good radio in UK doesn't work so well in China, Brazil, US etc. Which radio should I vote for? Or should we release the above rom versions with every available radio?
5. If we get Kyphur and the development team to embed a radio what's our next collective request?
6. Having everything done for me takes the fun out of having a Hermes - If I want to just wait for someone to solve my problem I might as well wait for Vodafone or HTC to release an update.
7. We already see loads of questions/complaints/comments about the few apps which are embedded in WMXL so the dev. team are now acting as tech support instead of developing more stuff for us to play with. If they get bored with this role they may stop - then who do we turn to for the next release of WMXL?
So, instead of including a radio I would prefer to see a WIKI which tells us how better to analyse the radio we have and maybe to compare the available radios for reception, data, country of use etc.
If Kyphur doesn't mind all the extra work and can release all the different versions then fine, but I'd rather let him work on a stable OS first.
Only my ideas, I'm sure others will disagree
Adding a Raido will add to the argument as to which is best? There are plenty of installs to do yourself. If you got the balls to do a ROM upgrade then download and install the Radio RUU of your choice before or after as you like.
I agree
Squuiid said:
Fair points!
How about just a RADIO recommendation from Kyphur then? You're right, lets not add extra workload, just make a suggestion as to which radio instead?
Users can then make their own minds up as you suggest.
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I agree, a list would be better, obviously if you are looking at GPS (here here)
you would need a different radio.
kudos to the gurus!
Because different Radio Roms work better in different regions of the world and even with different OS Roms.
That is a lesson learned the hard way from Wizard & AKU 3.x. Ironically T-Mobile NL 2.19 Radio never missed a call with AKU 3.x or WM6 but Cingular's 2.25 Radio was a dog in the Chicago area!
Personally, I would stay away from any of the Trinity GPS enabled Radio Roms (end in .x1) because they just add yet another element into the mix and the goal of this project is stable WM6 not GPS..
Kartboy said:
Why experiment when u got all this knowledge grouped in a forum,
not knowing if u might brick ur phone or not
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That will be BIG NO for me to include radio. As said in previous posts, there are various radios out there and depending on where you are will get different results. Recommending which radio worked well for you at your location with x version of ROM is the best thing in my mine.
I am currently using 1.27 and it seems to work well for me and I won't change until I see a reason to do so (e.g. feature, service, etc...). So I definitely would not want to be force into another radio (although I can just extract the OS and flash with TTY).
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Why experiment when u got all this knowledge grouped in a forum,
not knowing if u might brick ur phone or not
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We will not post a Radio ROM that is untested; at least I hope no XDA member would. So unless you screw it up it wont brick your device.
a wiki page is a better idea
I think that a sub page of the wiki special for the radio rom is the best solution...
Everybody can add their experience with any version of the radio rom...
A fool proof installer sounds a very very good idea for me!!
Is it possible to return to your original radio rom (or dump it) Radio rom 1.13??
Why dont you have the option for 0.3 with and without the radio rom. Before I put 0.1 on my hermes, I had 1.34 for my radio rom. I am going to attempt to get gps working soon, so before I upgarded to 0.1, I flashed my radio.
I think a lot of people that are holding out for a later version of WXML may be in the same problem that I had, that is, not having the latest radio rom.
Radios? We don't need no stinking radios! Sorry I couldn't resist...
Seriously, pof and the rest are right. Radio selection is highly variable based on location and carrier. Let the end user decide. Having said that, knowing the radios and locations/carriers that the ROM was tested in could be useful information.
Ninja1
I've been reading up on the cooked ROMs that people are using, and it seems that they are using an older version (1.48) instead of the released ROM from AT&T (1.54). Is there a reason for this?
The reason I ask is because i want/need a cooked ROM using the storage saver cab from tadzio.
I also like the looks of vp3G's WM6 v3.0 ROM, but it also uses the older ROM (1.40.30.00) instead of the AT&T version (1.54.07.00) I know this has to do with the radio and since I am using the 1.54 I have noticed a HUGE difference in signal gain... which is why I want to keep that.
So my question is, has anyone cooked up a ROM that uses the lates AT&T released version with vp3G's 3.0? And also, why do people use the older versions still?
There are many parts to a "ROM". The two parts you are probably talking about are the OS and the Radio. Most ROMs now are just OS ROMs - they don't change your Radio ROM. The best Radio is not necessarily the most recent one, so ROM cooks like to let people decide for themselves if they want to update their Radio or not.
Also, most unrecoverable bricks happen when flashing new Radio ROMs, so many people who don't have problems with reception or battery life (like me) don't bother to update their Radios.
If you want a certain OS with a certain Radio, you can use Dutty's Good NBH Tool. It is good. With that tool you can choose the OS, Radio, and other parts of your ROM before you flash it. Just download the OS you want, the Radio you want, use the tool to extract both and meld them together into a new ROM.
Happy flashing - and if you haven't already be sure to read Mr. Vanx's upgrade guide and flash Hard-SPL before you do anything else!
See, Im glad that I posted because I did not realize that there were two parts and that most ROMs nowadays are just opperating ROMs... so thats for that tidbit.
Alright, now I just have to go fishing for the OS that best fits me. I know that I want the storage/space saver and the updated BT and camera features. I also see that a lot of people are getting the WM6.1 so I'll have to check that out. Im going to have to spend a lot of time going throuh each and everyone.
Thanks again.
also, the os only roms WONT change your radio so you can find a rom you like that doesnt include the radio part of the rom and safely flash your os. you will keep whatever radio rom you currently have installed. so if you have the radio you like you can pick just about any cooked rom on this forum and still keep your updated radio (make sure its for the hermes though). happy upgrading. by the way, make sure you hard spl your phone 1st thing so if something does go wrong during flashing you migh recover it easier than if you dont. i suggest doing some reading 1st. cheers.
As the title says, I have the Telus Desire HD on the telus network, just rooted it and installed the leedroid rom.
Now it recommends that I flash the new radio to it, but I've seen radio's that are Telus specific out there, do I need to use one of those? If so could anyone point me in the direction of the newest one/one I should use?
I've found these two pages with telus radios...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139015
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877295
Thanks for bearing with me, still pretty new at this.
Also, found this post which seems to be sating that the radio in the first link there could cause sound problems..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=949909
pavedwaves said:
As the title says, I have the Telus Desire HD on the telus network, just rooted it and installed the leedroid rom.
Now it recommends that I flash the new radio to it, but I've seen radio's that are Telus specific out there, do I need to use one of those? If so could anyone point me in the direction of the newest one/one I should use?
I've found these two pages with telus radios...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139015
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877295
Thanks for bearing with me, still pretty new at this.
Also, found this post which seems to be sating that the radio in the first link there could cause sound problems..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=949909
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I have a HTC Desire HD from telus also but have not updated te radio. I have used my handset perfectly here in Canada on all the carriers and also in Europe. IMO there is no need to flash the radio as it works just fine. Unless there is something I am missing.. someone please chime in. OP where are you located?
Well agreed, It's probably not necessary... but if it can benefit in any small amount, if i know something will work, I might as well. Works perfectly here on the west coast, but as I said,if it can improve battery life, and maybe get more coverage, I may as well.
Can anyone help me out on this?
Bumping it one last time hoping someone has an answer..
Just my personal opinion of changing the Radio, I live in Penticton BC and I run a DHD from Telus on Telus and I just recently flashed from stock radio to the recommended radio from ARHD which is 12.65.60.29_26.14.04.28_M. I went from H "1"-2 bars Yellow -101dBm 6asu / 3G "2"-3 bars Blue -108dBm 4asu and stayed mostly on 3G not by choice, to H "3"-4 bars Blue -94dBm 8asu/ 3G "4" bars Blue -87dBm 13asu. So for me the Radio change was extremely beneficial!
It depends on what firmware you are on...... custom rom support different radio RILS (not much of a difference though)... the thing to flash a RADIO find the proper RIL... that to if you are using Sense rom.... other roms like CM or MIUI do not require RIL....
Thanks for the feedback, tried it with the radio reccomended for the leedroid rom and it worked no problem, so far seems like it might draw a little more battery though and the wifi connectivity might not be as good either, but I"m going to try it for a few days.
Is there any likely downside to flashing the newest radio out (along with the RIL for it) which I think is the one reccomended br ARHD.. Is there kernel settings or anythign like that specific to the radio/RIL as part of the rom?
Don't know what Telus means (I understand it's a provider, wait before fighting...)
In China there is 2 type of DHD. CDMA and WCDMA.
If Radio HW is different, I will not be surprized that you need to flash a different radio. They can have the same piece of software for the 2 HW, but I don't know. I didn'tfind the answer to this question yet.
Of course one will work on the other network, but you can't have 3G (only GPRS/Edge). European DHD works on CDMA network... but no 3G.
Anyway, if it doesn't work, you can always flash back
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Galaxtus said:
It depends on what firmware you are on...... custom rom support different radio RILS (not much of a difference though)... the thing to flash a RADIO find the proper RIL... that to if you are using Sense rom.... other roms like CM or MIUI do not require RIL....
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Any ROM need a RIL. It's the abstraction layer between Android (the OS) and the radio (HW specific to phone). think of it as a driver on your computer.
Radio=firmware of your "device"
RIL=Driver of this "device"
Hi!
Tried to search and search alot about this but no luck, so I'll just go ahead and ask..
I have a HTC DHD, flashed with CM10.1 4.2.2 (I think the radio is 12.56.60.25U_26.10.04.03_M). Sometimes the cellular signal is just complete and utter bulls*it. Does that have something to do with the radio or is it just network related things?
Should I test some other radio, and if so, which one? I've read something about this and it looks like I shouldn't flash RIL at all, just the radio.
And finally, it would be nice if some made a general thread for radios, which would list let's say 3 to 5 newest radios for each device and compatible roms so noobs like me wouldn't have to ask this question again :angel:
Or you could use the search function to find other threads from noobs that have asked the same question :beer:
Sent from a dream.
Like I said, didn't find the info I wanted by searching the forums..
But here's some info for DHD users who are facing similar questions:
As told in the first post, I have CM 10.1 4.2.2 installed to my phone. The old radio was 12.56.60.25U_26.10.04.03_M. I updated the radio to version 12.69a.60.29U_26.17.14.11_M presented here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996630
Conclusion after first 24 hours:
+ Better battery life (+25% at the moment)
+ Better signal (both wlan and cellular)
+ Overall performance (No idea how the radio affects this, but the whole phone seems lag-free now)
- None so far
And as far as I can tell, you can update the radio to your phone, no matter where you're located (Operator specific phones may not work if tried). AND remember, if you have a CM installed, DON'T even try to install the RIL, just the radio.
I hope someone uses this information somewhere to provide forum users some answers