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I have had the TYTN II for the past year and a half and now I can upgrade my phone. I have narrowed the choice down to the Touch Pro 2 as it seems like the next logical step and the Hero with Android, but I was put off by the fact that there is still no screen drivers for this for the QUALCOMM chip ( the same as it was with the TYTN II ).
I am used to having a brick of a phone so the size is not that big an issue. Is the screen an issue like it was on the TYTN II, as some games required you to touch the screen to control, the TYTN II at least had the pad for control, but this isn't present on the Touch Pro II so the screen is the only input method ( other than the keyboard ).
I primarily use the phone as a phone, MP3 player and to play Divx via core player I also play the odd game as I have a long train trip in the mornings and evenings. I ruled the Hero out at this point as I cant seem to find a decent Divx player like Core Player on the Windows mobile.
The other question I wanted to know is, what is the screen like when viewing in the daylight. The TYTN II gets washed out and I end up cupping my hands over the screen to unlock it ( the screen really dims when locked ) Is it viewable without having to set the brightness up to full... I have a Blackberry 8820 and than can be used in the daylight no problem.
Does anyone know how the battery life also compares to the TYTN II with roughly the same usage ?
Thanks in advance.
Hi there mate,
Previous to my Rhodium (TP2) I had a TyTn II.
Currently im loving my TP2, the brightness isnt an issue as it has a light sensor so adjusts accordingly and does a good job of it.
The screen is awesome, IMO much better than the one on TyTn II.
I have tried two 3d games on my Touch Pro 2, however i do have Neo beat direct3d (??? correct me if im wrong) drivers installed, and both games seem to run flawlessly.
Battery life is my only issue, it seems my TyTn II was better, however, admittedly, I have yet to fully charge it since I bought it on Saturday, its only had random charges.
Overall, im very impressed with the device and to me its definatly superior to the TyTn II and worth the upgrade
That's too bad to hear about the battery. I'm upgrading from the TyTn II as well (how many of us are there..?) and it's in the mail so I haven't gotten a chance to check out all of it yet (hard to tell with a store model)
Like many, I've also upgraded from the TYTNII to the TP2. Awesome device and much better than the TYTNII in every way possible.
(also very proud to say to I've converted 2 iCrap admirers to TP2s...)
yes, it's the logical step and yes i was tytn ii user (and two others beforehand)
and i can testify that tp2 plays video better than diamond and sex1, same spec'd they are, even when the differences are small. it's even better than tytnII, amazing if we think that it has more than quadruple tytnII pixels.
and yes my tytnII could achieved better battery life, better sigtnal reception, better gps, but that's only after dozens of testing radio roms and also os roms, after more than 1 year. you must know, of curz...
more amazing is, all my tp2 current performance is still based on my original WWE OEM rom. imagine result when using cooked ones
hope i help you stopped hesitating, mate
I too used a TyTN II before with several custom roms, and I must say I'm impressed by the TP2 on stock. In fact, the only reason I'm currently looking at getting Hard SPL fixed is because I've a Dutch OS and I prefer English.
If I were you, I'd base the decision to buy a TP2 over other models on the need for a hardware keyboard. The features/stability/smoothness of the stock rom does not have to be a reason to avoid it imo.
i don't wanna open another thred so i'll post here... it is still related to upgrading to tp2
i have had the tytn... i jumped to nokia for only one reason... it drived me crazy the latency of the phone app... and of course the blacklist apps that were worthless considering that the busy tone entered at least 1 sec after the actual ring... one other issue was the connection with my parrot car kit... ck3100... it worked but not 100%...
now i ihave seen the touch pro 2... first i had my eyes on the n97... but after holding it in my hands for a few minutes i got disspointed... the touch pro 2 i just like it... althogh i have never seent it live..
my issues are
1. how it is from the responsivnes point of view... compared with the tytn and also with symbian phones
2. should i buy tp2 now or just wait a little more considering that this was launch quite a while ago and it could apear not far in the future another one better?
3. i haven't found a video with the autorotate function in action... is it working?... i mean based on the g sensor not the keyboard sliding...
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and yes my tytnII could achieved better battery life, better sigtnal reception, better gps, but that's only after dozens of testing radio roms and also os roms, after more than 1 year. you must know, of curz...
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Man, that is disappointing. I never used the GPS on my Tilt, but either way T-Mobile's service will kick the **** out of AT&Ts in my area. I don't get service ANYWHERE right now. I charge my phone every night, anyway, though..
Thanks for the replies. For all its quirks I think the TyTn II is one of the best phones I have ever had, and I have gone through some phones, the first windows mobile I had was an SPV E100 with the clip on camera ( I am a hoarder so its still in my loft !! ). Because of the keyboard and the tilt screen I ( like others ) see the TP2 as a logical step to go to....
The thing is the lack of a touchpad kinda niggles me, but looking around, it looks like its being dropped from a lot of touch phones now, there wouldn't be much of an issue it was multi touch, but in this case it isn't. The dropping of the touch pad looks more to me like making the phone look like the iPhone rather than an improvement.
That said I am swaying more and more to the Touch Pro II, but a just a couple more questions if you wouldn't mind...
Does Tom Tom 7 work OK on it and does the lack of the touch pad really make a lot of difference...
I tried using my phone without touching the pad and I found navigating test to be a pain, but that may just be because I am just used to the pad, and I guess I will just get used to it not being there.
Just want to make sure before the jump as it will be my phone for the next eighteen months, and as its something I use every day then I just wanted to make the right choice.
The only other phone I was looking at now was the Omnia II but no keyboard
Again real big thanks for all the replies.
No problem, mate, i also read the "i got mine" thread over and over before buying since I was practically "engaged" with my sex1 at that time. My gripes for sex1 was smallish 4-row keyboard (i have fat fingers too), non-flushed screen and no accelerometer. I trade those for lack of d-pad, and after a month now i'm content The keyboard is a feast! (take this from a guy who had used several devices with sliding keyboard)
I use Garmin XT so i cannot comment on Tomtom which doesn't have map for my region. *IMHO, touch and drag is faster than clicking d-pad*
And the autorotate can be tweaked to work all-time (default is only limited programs).
Responsiveness is excellent in stock rom, with minor tweaks it beat tytnII running the fastest 'naked' custom ROM. Symbian (N97)? I read many reviews and most are not very happy with its responsiveness, so i can safely say it's unmatched =)
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i don't wanna open another thred so i'll post here... it is still related to upgrading to tp2
i have had the tytn... i jumped to nokia for only one reason... it drived me crazy the latency of the phone app... and of course the blacklist apps that were worthless considering that the busy tone entered at least 1 sec after the actual ring... one other issue was the connection with my parrot car kit... ck3100... it worked but not 100%...
now i ihave seen the touch pro 2... first i had my eyes on the n97... but after holding it in my hands for a few minutes i got disspointed... the touch pro 2 i just like it... althogh i have never seent it live..
my issues are
1. how it is from the responsivnes point of view... compared with the tytn and also with symbian phones
2. should i buy tp2 now or just wait a little more considering that this was launch quite a while ago and it could apear not far in the future another one better?
3. i haven't found a video with the autorotate function in action... is it working?... i mean based on the g sensor not the keyboard sliding...
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no one willing to give his opinion on this?
OK, finally got round to taking the plunge and got one on contract from Vodafone as Orange tells me they are not stocking the phones anymore.....
Got it on Your Plan 100 + unlimited Mobile Internet for £25 a month and only had to pay £60 for the phone
Thought it was a good deal as its the same as my current Orange plan.
Due for delivery tomorrow.
Going to be fun re-installing all the apps stuff I want on it.
Hey,
I have Verizon and currently have a XV6800 (Titan). I have loved the phone, I got it the first week it came out and it has never let me down. I flashed it when the ROMs first came available, and I use all the features the phone has: keyboard, touchscreen, bluetooth, GPS, Wifi, etc...
My contract expires on the 11th of this month, and I've been due for a phone upgrade for quite some time now. I can get the TP2 for $99 with no other fees, because I work for Goodyear and we have a corporate thing set up with them.
My question is: should I get the TP2? It's obvious that there's a lot of custom ROMs out there and the hardware looks great. I just don't want to buy this phone and another one come out a month from now that's better. I understand that phones are always being released and they become outdated weeks after their purchase, but I don't want to miss out on anything cool.
-Randy
If you love your Titan that much, I don't know what's stopping you from upgrading to the TP2. It's the Titan on steroids with a gorgeous 800 X 480 screen. The keyboard is much improved as well (I had that keyboard with the grid layout on my Mogul, and I barely used it). In fact, the soft keyboard even much improved and usable. Battery life is also improved.
The only real drawback from the Titan is the lack of a DPad (VolDPad does a pretty good job of turning the volume rocker keys into a DPad).
BTW, video playback on the TP2 is outstanding (TP2 does full DVD resolutions). Totally kicks ass over the iPod.
There will always be something better/newer coming down the road. Could be a month... could be 6... couid be 12 months. I don't think we'll be getting really new in the short term.
The TP2 is far and away the best WM phones I ever handled. I ver glad I moved to it from my Kaiser. Heck I'm glad I skipped the original TouchPro and waited for the TP2.
The HD2/Leo looks nice but not being able to use a stylus and lack of a keyboard just might keep me away. I like writing hand written notes in my note pad.
The other thing too is that the Touch Pro 2 just came out, so it should be quite a while until it is surpassed (but 3 months ago if you were to ask to buy a Touch Pro, I'd easily tell you to wait b/c of the Touch Pro 2...that and Verizon nubbed up the TP1 with locking the GPS and removing RAM). I'd say go for it!
Jason
Thanks for the good info.
Does this phone have a dedicated graphics accelerator?
I went from an XV6800 (titan) to a Tilt2 on AT&T...
Network sucking issues aside, the TouchPro2 is a GREAT phone and an amazing upgrade the the Titan.
I stayed away from the original TouchPro/Fuze phones because I didnt think they were a massive upgrade, only more RAM which helped run TF3D, but no WinMo6.5, and not much in terms of real improvement.
I love WinMo6.5, I love the TF3D 2.1, and the ram and speed of the new Tilt2 is noticeably faster than a Titan.
Oh, and did I mention the AMAZING screen improvement?
Upgrade. You wont be disappointed.
I was on a mogul, which then i went to the touch pro, and now I'm on the touch pro 2. The single biggest upgrade from the mogul, to the touch pro was the ram. Running Opera Mobile on the mogul was hell. It's a great browser on the touch pro although i preferred the speed of opera mini. The other big improvement was the resolution/ lack of recession on the screen. Notice how it's rather difficult to hit the task manager button on the top right of the screen? That was fixed in the touch pro.
The biggest improvements from the touch pro to the touch pro 2, for me, have been the increased screen size and the keyboard. The Keyboard is ****ing amazing. No more of those little bubble keys that were present in the mogul/touch pro. I still haven't heard anyone talk about the change from bubble keys, to actual keys that depress when you press down on them. Sure the offsetness and size of the keys is great, but the fact that they are actual buttons that depress when pressed sold me. The speaker phone is much nicer as well.
Don't forget that you also will get all the latest TF3D stuff as well until a new dominant resolution comes out (or we simply can't run it because of lack of clock speed). I'm currently running TF3D 2.5 and it adds loads of improvements over TF3D 2.1. The only problem currently with 2.5 is that it's sluggish in some areas such as the landscape transitions on music/pictures.
All in all I'd say hell ****ing yes to a mogul-to-pro2 upgrade. There was a big enough difference to ditch the mogul for the touch pro alone. Ram was always the biggest pain on the mogul, and now I can't find myself ever running out of ram even while leaving everything open. I don't have to fight with the device to have it do what I want it to do.
See.... I get all these good reviews from you guys here, and you're all saying "Go for it!" Then, I go in the Verizon store too look at it, and they don't have it. I guess none of the stores have them on display, and I have to have it shipped. On top of that, the sales guy convinced me to come in Friday morning to see the new Motorola Droid when it's released. They're gonna be the same price.... so I don't know what to get now...
No Vzn stores ever got the new phone. Yea the Droid looks like it can be quite nice, but at my heart I'm still a WM user at least for now (Android is probably my 2nd bet, then maybe WebOS, and the OSX mobile isn't an option for me).
If you want to play with one, go to a T-Mo or AT&T Store. My sprint store near me (and its a big one, with a repair center and everything) still doesn't have TP2's yet either :-/
Jason
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No Vzn stores ever got the new phone. Yea the Droid looks like it can be quite nice, but at my heart I'm still a WM user at least for now (Android is probably my 2nd bet, then maybe WebOS, and the OSX mobile isn't an option for me).
If you want to play with one, go to a T-Mo or AT&T Store. My sprint store near me (and its a big one, with a repair center and everything) still doesn't have TP2's yet either :-/
Jason
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You know what... I'm ordering the TP2. Windows Mobile isn't perfect, but there's a huge community on here for it, and Android is new and still isn't quite perfect.
It's just like running any distro of linux on your computer. Sure, there's a lot of great versions out there, but none of them are perfect, and when something screws up, there's not always an easy fix.
One more thing about the TP2:
If you want to run emus, the offset keyboard gives you a reasonable rendition of a Dpad. Diagonals won't work, but it's more than adequate for JRPGs or any game that doesn't require twitch action.
I use W,A,S,D as a Dpad.
just wanted to update everyone who gave me their input - I got the TP2 and I'm in love with it. There's nothing I've tried to do thus far that I haven't been able to do. I've tried a few ROMs on it and I'm on the latest MightyROM right now ad it's great. Thanks again for the input guys!
My contract is up for Tmobile so I decided to give up my BB Pearl (Never did like that thing). I went out and upgraded to the Touch Pro 2, but after reading the specs on the HD 2, I'm not sure if I want to keep it or wait for the newer model. (They give you 14 days to decide if you like it).
I like the TP 2 especially with the keyboard but the Nexus One has the animated desktop which is nice. I would like some opinions on which phone you would choose and possibly why. My guess is the HD will probably be about the same price as the others.
I went from a Dash 3G last weekend to a TP2. as soon as I heard about the $199 pricing for the HD2 I decided to return my TP2 and wait for the HD2. I never thought I would make much use of a touch screen, but now I am hooked. The HD2 is faster and larger. No brainer for me.
i've got a sprint tp2 and plan on getting the tmo hd2 and getting rid of my bb.
I would go for Rhodium for sure, as the others do not have hardware keyboard
But if they were the only options on the market definitely I would go for Leo as it has WM!
Remember all the flashy things will become trivial pretty soon, so what you should ask yourself is which properties are the most useful to you.
Myself, I can't live without the hardware keyboard. Sure, I wish the TP2 had the speed of the HD2, but for me the keyboard beats that. If you can do without, there is no reason to get the TP2 at all. As for Nexus vs HD2 - personally I'd take the HD2.
I have had the Touch, Touch Pro, and Touch Pro2 that my wife and I have used. I am waiting for the Touch HD3.
I love the TP2 for its keyboard and the HD2 for its screen
I possess both: the TP2 and HD2.
I like the keyboard of the TP2. I like the screen of the HD2 and its superb Sense user interface.
I transformed my TP2 with an official ROM update to WM6.5 and the tweaks (especially Co0kie hometab) I used for my HD2 to a HD2 Mini with WVGA.
Now I have the best of both on the TP2. By the way the TP2 is very responsive and speedy despite its slower processor.
For an average business user I prefer my TP2, only voice dialing using Cyberon Speed Dialer can not be activated by the call key on my BT carkit due deviating BT stack implementation by HTC
While I like TP2 (due to keyboard, and price), unfortunately it's not completely future-proof (no WM7).
Although there is still hope in Android port..
Just love my TP2 with a hardware keyboard..... sure wish it had the big screen, speed and memory of the HD2 lol
no wimm7 for hd2 as well (at least today sometimes they say yup and other times no) but hmmmm right now I am not sure hd2= 1ghz processor big screen lots of memory but touch pro 2 good size screen and a keyboard
My work is going to provide me with a new phone (new contract) Right now I have the Wing. I'm looking at either the HD2 or the TP2.
I need some input please. Some things to consider when you read this thread.
1) I don't find myself using the hard keyboard on my Wing
2) I do use the hands free speaker phone often.
3) I need WMO for a certain app that requires 16megs free ram (cooked ROM on my Wing helped here.)
4) Will the HD2 require a change in my data plan with T-Mobile?
Just some "if I was you" advise.
Thanks
Get the HD2. The only advantage the TP2 has is the keyboard and if you don't use it then there is no competition. The processor used in the TP2 is the biggest pile of crap ever.
Basically, it goes like this: If you want Windows Mobile 6.x, the best hardware keyboard of any mobile device on the market, and don't care about device speed, stay with the Rhodium. If you don't want/need a keyboard, want Windows Mobile 6.x, and you don't care about not getting a Windows Mobile 7 upgrade, get the HD2. If you don't need a keyboard and want the best Android device on the market, get the Nexus.
The Rhodium is a great device in terms of external looks, but as petard has already said, the Qualcomm MSM7xxx processor inside is quite possibly the sh*ttiest mobile processor on the market. If I were to buy a new device right now, I would certainly buy the HD2 or Nexus, NOT the Rhodium.
I've got 2 of the 3, and I'm using a Rhodium with 6.5.x and Titanium as my everyday phone. The Nexus One is on my night stand.
With the Rhodium, if you keep messaging, contacts, and calendar resident in memory and use arcsoft client, the phone is lightning quick and I have zero delays or lockups. Coupled with the keyboard, its the best all around solution.
The N1 has great google software, and as my sig says, the Navigation stuff is better than a Nuvi, IMO, and I'll probably start transitioning over to android until WinMo7, especially if swype becomes officially available (it may already be). There are also a couple apps I've found that could actually make it past the initial novelty stage of "wow thats cool" and be everyday apps.. which if you check the average lifespan of these iphone & android apps theyre so proud of, after about a week and half of saying to your buddies "hey check this out", people quit using them all together yet are still out their $1, but i digress..
Thanks for the input so far. Good stuff.
I know this isn't the the HD2 forum but it's still on topic.
What about the voice/speaker quality on the HD2? I haven't read good things on that. Is it really a problem?
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I've got 2 of the 3, and I'm using a Rhodium with 6.5.x and Titanium as my everyday phone. The Nexus One is on my night stand.
With the Rhodium, if you keep messaging, contacts, and calendar resident in memory and use arcsoft client, the phone is lightning quick and I have zero delays or lockups. Coupled with the keyboard, its the best all around solution.
The N1 has great google software, and as my sig says, the Navigation stuff is better than a Nuvi, IMO, and I'll probably start transitioning over to android until WinMo7, especially if swype becomes officially available (it may already be). There are also a couple apps I've found that could actually make it past the initial novelty stage of "wow thats cool" and be everyday apps.. which if you check the average lifespan of these iphone & android apps theyre so proud of, after about a week and half of saying to your buddies "hey check this out", people quit using them all together yet are still out their $1, but i digress..
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I'm sorry but nothing about the Rhodium is lightning quick, nothing. I use the builtin WM messaging client and Arcsoft MMS and once I get over a couple messages per thread it takes about 5 seconds from clicking the thread to where I can type. This is due to both the crappy WM messaging client based on the IE rendering engine and the garbage processor.
I use vito SMS-chat for text messaging and once it is loaded up it has some decent speed but it takes about 5 seconds to load the program which is why I leave it running in the background as much as I can. The program is really ugly though.
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I'm sorry but nothing about the Rhodium is lightning quick, nothing. I use the builtin WM messaging client and Arcsoft MMS and once I get over a couple messages per thread it takes about 5 seconds from clicking the thread to where I can type. This is due to both the crappy WM messaging client based on the IE rendering engine and the garbage processor.
I use vito SMS-chat for text messaging and once it is loaded up it has some decent speed but it takes about 5 seconds to load the program which is why I leave it running in the background as much as I can. The program is really ugly though.
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I'll give vito a shot..
check out "S.V.I keyskin" in the TP2 themes/apps section, its also helped my phone feel snappier by decreasing the load time for the SIP
So, I'm looking at getting a new smartphone through my work. Unfortunately I'm locked with Verizon, which is usually a slow adopter of new phones AND my work is a slow adopter of new Verizon phones, so I'm sorta double-whammied. My current phone is dying, so I need to upgrade now and seeing as it would likely be a year at the earliest before any Windows7 phones would be available for me I'm looking at upgrading now.
The TP2 is one device that I can get. I'm very familiar with Windows Mobile 6.1, so this has an appeal. But I have some questions.
Does anyone know if the GPS is "unlocked" out of the box? I'd like to use some GPS programs other than VZNavigator and I'm wondering if I need to install a custom ROM first.
Will a new TP2 device now be installed with 6.5 or will I need to upgrade? Can someone give me a quickie run down of 6.5 vs. 6.1?
How's the Battery life of the TP2? I'm a heavy power user so I want to make sure I can get through a day without charging.
Lastly, I _might_ be able to get a Droid. I've never used Android before, but I have to say that I'm tempted. Anyone have an opinion? Is the Droid a lot better? Is it worth trying to push for the Droid?
aGPS works out of the box, you need to make sure to use the Quick GPS tool to update the satellite though. There are some free navigation programs but I've heard they sometimes do not choose the most logical route. Garmin, Tom Tom, and other paid GPS programs should work as well.
The new VZW phone comes with 6.5 as far as I have seen lately. One ordered off their website in early April came with 6.5. Here is a post with everything you'll need to know about all windows 6 versions, 6.1 vs 6.5 will be down towards the bottom more: http://www.modaco.com/content/i9x0-...m/299717/com-branches-explained/#entry1153714
The phone can make it through a full day of usage in most scenarios. I would say unless you talk 3+ hours and run GPS, 3g/wifi, and multiple programs ALL day you should be fine. If not there are extended batteries you can purchase (although the phone is already big enough as it is).
In my opinion Android is a great OS, motorola is not my favorite phone manufacture, but beyond that it is still a nice device. It is slightly more responsive than the TP2. The keyboard is much more cramped and the top row is difficult to get use to. It doesn't quite replicate the desktop feel I get when I use WM. I can't give a real in depth break down because I've only messed with them a couple times.
Hope that helps your decision a little.
I have a coworker a few desks away from mine who has a Droid, and we often pass the time with a few heated rounds of "yeah, but can yours do this??" LOL Neither of us has done much to convince the other that our phone is better (his Droid vs my TP2)....but, the one thing he openly admits he wishes he had was the MUCH better hardware keyboard that I enjoy all day long
In fact, I suspect that once a fully-working version of android appears on the TP2, he'll be finding a way to sell his droid, and join the ranks of the HTC fans
Thank you both. I appreciate the info!
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Will a new TP2 device now be installed with 6.5 or will I need to upgrade? Can someone give me a quickie run down of 6.5 vs. 6.1?
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I'm pretty satisfied with 6.1, though I use SPB Mobile Shell for my UI. Though I can't give you a run down, having not used 6.5, the only feature I've come across yet that I actually want is a reg entry for the keyboard backlight. Also, last I checked Office Mobile 2010 is 6.5 only. Once OneNote Mobile 2010 is out, I'll probably bite the bullet and upgrade.
Personally I'd avoid the Droid. If I didn't need a better hardware keyboard than that, I'd probably get a Nexus One and use the on screen keyboard. Cramping the keys that close together with minimal key differentiation... I honestly don't know what the point of that was. Another nice thing about the Nexus One is you get OS updates straight from Google. No waiting on VZW and no fragmentation concerns.
Choosing the TP2 instead means being outdated in terms of power but having marvelous levels of interface comfort. I'm already plotting trying to find a similarly sized android snapdragon that I can somehow transplant into my TP2's casing. It's probably impossible, but it is super comfortable. I'll just have to dual boot and pretend I don't mind the ancient guts.
I've never heard the battery life described as anything other than average. Although the CPU is slow, the newer faster processors also come with new power-saving tech it doesn't have, so a nice snapdragon will go longer on the same battery capacity (though most snappys come with a smaller capacity battery stock). I'm actually using my VZW TP2 as a PDA right now, typically with all radios off, so my usage couldn't inform you. If you're a heavy power user, average might not do it. You can get a 1700ish mah battery that fits in the existing casing, or up to a 3500mah battery that requires a new battery cover if that suits you. Alternatively you can get a charger that charges both your phone and a spare battery simultaneously and swap as necessary.
Since this is posted in the TP2 sections, you'll get biased results, same as if you were to post this on the Droid forums. I have a Droid and my girlfriend has a Tilt 2. My Droid is rooted with AdamZ 2.1 Android and overclocked; the thing is lightning fast. My girlfriends Tilt 2 has been custom cooked with EnergyROM Sense 2.5 and have also installed Android to test it out.
Performance wise, the Droid is faster, much faster if overclocked; it was a huge performance upgrade for me since my previous phone was a Samsung Omnia i910 with a cooked WM 6.5 rom. There is virtually no noticeable lag between scrolling screens and opening apps. Her Tilt 2 was fairly slow out of the box loaded with AT&T bloatware, she even complained to me about the phone being laggy. However, it is noticeably faster since installing the cooked rom.
I know Android is still in it's beta phases for the TP2, but it's still fairly buggy, many of the apps don't function correctly and eventually gave up on using it.
If apps are a big thing for you, I'd stick with Android, as there are many more fun apps, many of them free. With the Windows Marketplace, many apps are merely trial or lite versions, an example being Shazam, which is free on Android, but limited to 10 uses on Windows. I'm not sure if it's just Microsoft's doing or what. Also, the Droid has Google Navigation, which is arguably the best GPS for a phone, and is completely free. I've even thought about selling my Garmin 265WT since I barely use it anymore.
As for the keyboard, the Tilt 2 is clearly better, but I've never had any problems typing on the Droid, which many people complain about. I type with the tips of my thumbs, so that may make a difference. Battery life is pretty much the same, which can last about a day or two depending on usage.
All in all, I'm happy with my decision and when I asked my girlfriend which phone she preferred, she picked mine, but the for her it was between an iPhone and a Tilt 2.
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Since this is posted in the TP2 sections, you'll get biased results, same as if you were to post this on the Droid forums.
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I actually disagree, especially considering the responses thus far. There's plenty of Android love in this thread, but I'd wager there'd be little WinMo love in a droid thread. I think TP2 users are dramatically more aware and more willing to admit to their device's weaknesses than users of more popular phones.
I would appreciate if anybody could give comparison between HD2 and Touch Pro2 because I am torn between the two models. I am now using Dopod 838pro (Tytn)
and want to upgrade coz my phone is "dying". Basically I like the HD2 for the speed and the screen but it don't have video call or macro mode. I like most of the spec in touch pro but it lack speed compare to HD2. So i guess someone who have used both of these models would know the pros and cons. Especially the speed of these two processor in real life. Any input would greatly appreciate
You should go for the HD2. The speeds of the TP2 is getting really anoying. And the fact that android is running very smooth on the HD2.
And there is the possiblity of a WP7 rom for the HD2 in the future.
The biggest decision you have to make is how much do you value a physical keyboard? If it's a big deal for you, then go for the Touch Pro2. If you don't care about a keyboard, then the HD2 is a far superior choice in terms of hardware as well as software development. HTC's website lists the specs of both machines. Keep in mind that the T-Mobile version of the HD2 has 1GB of internal storage as opposed to half of that on any other version of it.
my own opinion, go for TP2, it's qwerty hardware keyboard are valuable things to have, just like Your Hermes, it make different easy way related for daily working usage
Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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Thanks for all the replies. My problem with HD2 is there is no secondary camera for video call. Then if I choose TP2, how bad is the speed, is it acceptable if compare to Hermes (Hermes is quite slow to me)?. Or is it just about the same?.
Well.... I think I have to choose TP2 for the secondary camera. If HD2 come with secondary camera that would be a dream. I have also look at other WinMo device such as Omnia Pro with the slide keyboard, secondary camera and 800MHz but not so good UI, and I like HTC more.
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If you are in the US, the second camera makes no difference as it will not work for video calling here. Video calls on the TP2 only work in Europe.
Ok dx3me, here's my personal opinion. I had previously purchased the Touch Pro2 because of its keyboard form factor as well as the front camera. I came from the Xda Exec/Htc Universal phone and this greatly influence my choise for the Tp2.
-->First complain edited since the TP2 can play smooth videos provided you know how to convert it with this tool--->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
Second complain is that the internet experience is not that great and after using a hd2, I really prefer its bigger screen as it delivers a new approach on how you can easily browse, email, chats and so on. Very stylish in the hands and its look is simply amazing - it will surely not go unnoticed by people around you due to its huge screen + "slim" size.
Third and last one is that some softwares are so damn slow to run on it and the lack of extra RAM suffers greatly.
So I am definitely planning to switch to a HTC HD2 in the coming weeks as compared to the TP2, the HD2 has specifications of a new generation phone where as the tp2 is very very far behind. Now that many phones are coming out equipped with a 1ghz proccessor, I bet that most people will follow the trend and get similar powerful phones unless keyboard is an absolute must or money is a key factor...My opinions only...
Okay, you want an opinion? I'm a person with both a Touch Pro 2 and a HD2.
Well first, I loved my TP2. I thought it was the best phone I've ever had. Loved the physical keyboard, it seemed to be running fast, and it can run Android on it, although not quite so well. The resistive touchscreen was very accurate, even though it could sometimes be one big pain in the arse. That's when the stylus came in.Pop it out, use it, pop it back in, simple. But then after a while, the darn thing felt so slow. Pages took a long time to load, no Flash support in browsers, my battery drained fast. One day I went to the T-Mobile store in my area. What do I see sitting in front of me? A live working HD2, hooked up to their security system. So I try it. So fast, I have to have it. So I h'whipped p) out $500 bucks from my pocket a few months later, and I had my HD2. It can run Android 2.2. It can run Flash videos perfectly. Hell, even Windows Mobile was fast. Then I thought, oh shucks, the keyboard. I flipped the phone into Landscape mode and that friggin keyboard is amazing. Now I have big hands - my fingertips are about as big as the keys on my keyboard. This keyboard won't make you miss your Touch Pro 2. Since then, my Touch Pro 2 has sat in a corner, neglected. I feel sorry for it from time to time and use it p), but then I go straight back to the HD2.
One disadvantage of the HD2 is the BATTERY LIFE. Heavy use - 4 hours (constantly on)
HD2...I really like the hard keyboard on my TP2, but it just doesn't have enough Ram, My older Samsung Epix ran better, the TP2 just sucks away ram, I end up soft resetting a couple times a day, just from text messaging or checking my calendar or weather, it's a pretty big disappointment in that area. Just think, the HD2 will have a processor about twice the speed of the TP2 and twice the ram, plus half a Gig to 1 Gig of internal storage, for pesky programs that won't go on the storage card. If you want specs just check out: http://www.htc.com/us/products/compare/104-65-61?view=1-3&sort=0
I think I know which one to get!!
Thank you everyone for the inputs.
Well, I'm changing my mind. I have tested a demo HD2 in the shop and like it. I think I have to get the HD2. I also can't consider any of the WP7 devices at the moment because I think I would not buy the WP7 devices until it become better devices. That could be a year or two. Well if I could not live without the video call (on HD2), I have to fix my Hermes a bit as a backup. So I can use the video call on my good old Hermes. Hopefully this could work. (The only bad thing is I have to carry my Hermes along if I intend to do a video call)
Hi Mate,
I Have both the Touch Pro 2 and HD2 and I would only recommend the HD2!! My personal opion is that I would not waste your money on the touch pro 2.
Col
Hmmm, I've been using the HD2 for 1week now and my previous excitement has a bit vanished for this phone. I used the phone a lot for business purposes (especially using emails and chat a lot) and the lack of a keyboard suffers GREATLY. Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
The touch screen though is very responsive but I feel that the TP2 resistive screen has a bit more precision. Speed wise, the HD2 blows the TP2 and it is definitely great to watch your pictures/movies on the large screen. Apart from the mutimedia use, I am going to stick back to my TP2 and return the HD2. Nothing feels better than a physical qwerty keyboard and...a resistive screen for selecting a specific word easily when typing (...my opinions only).
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Though the HD2 screen is large for typing, I ended up in making mistakes couple of times when typing fast and I was really frustrated having to constantly correct my mistakes. This is time consuming especially when I have a lot of emails to respond on the way, and often gets my nerves to the limit.
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I have big hands and I only make one error out of every hundred words.
Hi there,
I'm hoping to help you with my story: Using my father's old WM device (MDA Compact III) for about one year, in the beginning of this year I decided to go for something new. My most important requirement for the new device was a QWERTZ-keyboard (here in Germany). So, there wasn't much of a choice I had and after scanning through some device's reviews looking also at those without a QWERTZ to get to know the current standards (among them the HD2, "old" TouchPro, G1, BlackBerry 9700, Xperia X1 and some of the Samsung and LG devices) I bought the TouchPro2 as it seemed to me the best choice concerning specifications and my demands. And I was really happy about it! It was way faster than my former MDA, had much better graphics, loads of software to use and so on...
When time passed by, I started to pick up on some custom roms, as I wasn't satisfied with the speed (everyone know about the upgrading his personal requirements). Found the roms of NRGZ28 very good, stable and fast.
However, I was constantly getting more and more fed up with WM6(.5) and the phone as there are some constant (to me unknown) freezes and hangs. And as WM7 will not be seen on this device I decided to go for another change: I ordered the Desire Z, which is (finally) on its way, maybe arriving today.
My advice for you: take a look at Android or WM7. And try around with those keyboards and decide, if you *really* need a physical one. There is a whole bunch of good devices, that will be released with WM7 and Android.
Cheers!
OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
cajunflavoredbob said:
OP got the HD2. There is no longer any reason to try to convince him of anything.
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ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
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ah, too late... well then, have fun with the hd2
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Hmmm I would be curious to hear your opinions on both phones - may you share?
I'd vote for the HD2 because of it's specifications. Like it was said earlier the HD2 blows the TP2 out of the water. But also pointed out is the problem with WinMo 6.5. This stock ROM is a dinosaur in age and just doesn't hold a candle up to Android or WM7. I also was fed up with it on my HD2 so I made a complete change and switched my device over the Android via custom ROMs found on these forums. I've never been happier!
So the debate really is between Android and WM7. Considering the future I think getting android would be a better deal. It's going to explode in popularity due to Microsoft's and Apple's security lockdowns on their devices (they aren't very customizable, WM7 and the iPhone etc), and because of Android being open source.
So before I get going on a tangent , I'd recommend getting the HD2 if you like customizing your phone A LOT. It can be kind of a scary procedure. But if you're not up to that kind of stuff I'd recommend looking at HTC's Android phones. They're very stable and fun to use. The TP2 will become a very average phone in the next while with all the new and cool stuff coming out.