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I tried the Oxygen v2.0-RC7 rom a few days ago. Has been working relatively well with some minor bugs (like not being able to move icons without them dissapoearing). But yesterday something really odd happened and got me kinda worried.
I turned the sound off on the phone via the lockscreen, then locked the phone in my locker when i worked out. The battery was at about 80% at the time. When i came back about two hours later my phone was _REALLY_ hot and the battery was totally drained and the phone dead (ofc).
Anyone else experienced this? New user here so can't post in the official thread for the rom. What got me worried was that the phone was getting extremely hot.
There is nothing wrong with the ROM as far as battery drain is concerned. I have been running RC7 since release and with my current configuration get almost 3 days of battery usage before I need to re-charge.
I would suggest that it is more likely to be a rogue application that is constantly running in the background eating the battery.
If the phone was getting hot, I would suggest that an application is hammering the CPU (such as navigation) which would drain the battery pretty fast.
Odd thing is, I had the phone in my pocket for maybe 3 hours prior to this incident. Then it was at about 80% (remember because I checked when i turned off the sound). Then only thing I did was turn off the sound via the lockscreen. Didn't even unlock the phone at all. Then this happened.
Seems really strange. But it has only happened this once, and it is a homebuilt rom so I don't really expect everything to be perfect. Just that I've had the phone run hot before, just not this hot.
Was actually worried it had broke before i got home and put the charger in It was completely dead. Couldn't even start to boot up that you sometimes can do when the phone has died and then rested for a few mins.
could be a faulty handset, i had issues with my phone running out of battery pretty fast and after a warrenty replacement seems to have sorted it.
phone shouldnt be over heating...
Kesio said:
I turned the sound off on the phone via the lockscreen, then locked the phone in my locker when i worked out. The battery was at about 80% at the time. When i came back about two hours later my phone was _REALLY_ hot and the battery was totally drained and the phone dead (ofc).
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Wasn't a metal locker, by any chance ? A metal locker would function as a faraday cage, meaning your phone would get at best a very weak signal, and would be using maximum power to try and communicate with the base station. Would explain why the phone was hot, too.
So...my girlfriend's galaxy nexus started randomly shutting off in the past few weeks..it was completely stock..so i decided to root it, change the kernel, ROM and baseband...
However, it still does it with no particular pattern..the only consistent thing is that it seems to happen when we're out of the house..not turning on or off any particular wireless service like wifi Bluetooth etc...i even tried tapping on the back a few times like some other forums suggested...but that didn't recreate the problem..so I'd really be happy to hear any troubleshooting/suggestions/etc..
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So...my girlfriend's galaxy nexus started randomly shutting off in the past few weeks..it was completely stock..so i decided to root it, change the kernel, ROM and baseband...
However, it still does it with no particular pattern..the only consistent thing is that it seems to happen when we're out of the house..not turning on or off any particular wireless service like wifi Bluetooth etc...i even tried tapping on the back a few times like some other forums suggested...but that didn't recreate the problem..so I'd really be happy to hear any troubleshooting/suggestions/etc..
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heat? is it getting hot? the phone has a safety to shut odd when the cpu temp reaches 110C. but i find it hard to imagine that it reaches 110C just sitting there(unless its plugged in, sitting in a non ventilated area).
If it's doing that and its stock and unrooted then you need to take it back
forgot to remind you to return to stock & locked before taking it back....if you choose to do so
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heat? is it getting hot? the phone has a safety to shut odd when the cpu temp reaches 110C. but i find it hard to imagine that it reaches 110C just sitting there(unless its plugged in, sitting in a non ventilated area).
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Yeah...i don't think it gets that hot
The phone is just usually in the car..and I've had the chance to hold it right after it shuts off..i wonder if taking the case off..in case, like you said, ventilation might be the problem..
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If it's doing that and its stock and unrooted then you need to take it back
forgot to remind you to return to stock & locked before taking it back....if you choose to do so
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Definitely..the root toolkit helps and i would able to flash a stock image and relock the phone..
just an extra bit of info in case someone googled/searched for this same problem and fell on this forum...
because after my searches, everyone that has had the same problem doesn't seem to have an answer...and now my phone, who did it a few times in the first few months...now has started to do it almost consistently...
randomly when i leave the house, it just goes to sleep and then the phone is turned off
the phone is NOT hot and it's literally minutes of being in the car or going for a walk, without bluetooth or gps or wifi on...and even when it is, sometimes it will still turn off
no pattern at all...both rooted and not, stock rom and not...stock kernel and not (have tried stock, james bond, and trinity so far)...
i'm going to try uping the min frequency and different governors to see what happens...
i will keep this thread updated
Try to see what happens if you hold the phone screen up and drop it 1 or 2 inches.
I am currently on my 5th Galaxy Nexus from Verizon. Phone 3 and 5 had a problem of turning off in my pocket. Almost every time I took the phone out is was off. I finally discovered that any jarring movement turns the phone off. If I did anything more then gently place it on the counter the phones would shut off. This occurs with the standard battery and back and the slim extended battery and battery back. The phone is inside a Seidio Convert case and this still occurs.
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Try to see what happens if you hold the phone screen up and drop it 1 or 2 inches.
I am currently on my 5th Galaxy Nexus from Verizon. Phone 3 and 5 had a problem of turning off in my pocket. Almost every time I took the phone out is was off. I finally discovered that any jarring movement turns the phone off. If I did anything more then gently place it on the counter the phones would shut off. This occurs with the standard battery and back and the slim extended battery and battery back. The phone is inside a Seidio Convert case and this still occurs.
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it seems like there's a good chance that's what's happening...as a fresh boot/install of any rom, including stock, and any kernel, any radio, all cause it to randomly shut down. but i noticed if it's NOT in my pocket and i hold it in my hand it almost never ever shuts down...so i'm thinking this is the problem...will keep this updated..thanks
I'm on my 4th Nexus because of "randomly" shutting down
As much as I love my rooted Nexus (4.1.1 ) full_toro_userdebug, after a couple of weeks, each phone has been shutting off randomly in my pocket or just jarring it in any way. I finally seemed to have fixed it by putting a small block of tissue paper the size of the battery between the case back and the battery.
It has allowed me to drop it from an inch or two above a wood table as drop it....It is 24 hours now. I will update with any change.
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just an extra bit of info in case someone googled/searched for this same problem and fell on this forum...
because after my searches, everyone that has had the same problem doesn't seem to have an answer...and now my phone, who did it a few times in the first few months...now has started to do it almost consistently...
randomly when i leave the house, it just goes to sleep and then the phone is turned off
the phone is NOT hot and it's literally minutes of being in the car or going for a walk, without bluetooth or gps or wifi on...and even when it is, sometimes it will still turn off
no pattern at all...both rooted and not, stock rom and not...stock kernel and not (have tried stock, james bond, and trinity so far)...
i'm going to try uping the min frequency and different governors to see what happens...
i will keep this thread updated
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Any updates from you? I am having the same problem in that my screen will turn off and I can't get it to turn back on without pulling the battery. I can tell the phone is still on because LED notifications will continue to blink but the power button doesn't do anything.
Interestingly I've noticed lately that after I pull the battery and restart the phone, it seems to reset the battery stats. For example, tonight my phone has been off the charger for about 2 hours but after I just had to pull the battery, it booted back up and battery stats say it's been on battery for 24 minutes only.
Anyone else experiencing anything similar?
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As much as I love my rooted Nexus (4.1.1 ) full_toro_userdebug, after a couple of weeks, each phone has been shutting off randomly in my pocket or just jarring it in any way. I finally seemed to have fixed it by putting a small block of tissue paper the size of the battery between the case back and the battery.
It has allowed me to drop it from an inch or two above a wood table as drop it....It is 24 hours now. I will update with any change.
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had this problem for several weeks: as long as i used the phone everything went fine but when i put it to sleep and stuff it in my pocket it shut itself down every second or third time.
your tipp with the tissue paper did the trick for me, no shutdown in the last five hours. thanks!
Has anyone found the reason for this happening? first time in eight months, my nexus turned down. first few turning offs phone has been hot and battery normal (70 ,80%). the last time the phone was cold and empty battery (although it was full). i am on custom rom (AOKP).
husko said:
Has anyone found the reason for this happening? first time in eight months, my nexus turned down. first few turning offs phone has been hot and battery normal (70 ,80%). the last time the phone was cold and empty battery (although it was full). i am on custom rom (AOKP).
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I suspect the phone is turning itself off because of a bad battery connection. I've had my GN for several months and it has just started turning itself off whenever it is in my pocket, and occasionally when I'm holding it. It all began after about a 4 foot drop which caused no visible damage. Reseating the battery appears to help. I hope it's this simple for everyone else.
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I suspect the phone is turning itself off because of a bad battery connection. I've had my GN for several months and it has just started turning itself off whenever it is in my pocket, and occasionally when I'm holding it. It all began after about a 4 foot drop which caused no visible damage. Reseating the battery appears to help. I hope it's this simple for everyone else.
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i do not think that the battery connection is here a problem... when the phone was ˝off˝ i tried to call myself from mothers phone and everything was normal (in speaker of her phone it was ringing), but my phone was dead... nothing..
so i came to the conclusion that the phone is not exactly turned off, but the screen is and the power button does not work also. that is why i cant ˝turn on˝ my phone.
looks like the phone is in some kind of standby, but i dont know why this happens, maybe it is rom issue... i switched from AOKP to CM10 and so far (4 days) the phone has not been turned off by itself.
battery connection for me
colinlbc said:
I suspect the phone is turning itself off because of a bad battery connection. I've had my GN for several months and it has just started turning itself off whenever it is in my pocket, and occasionally when I'm holding it. It all began after about a 4 foot drop which caused no visible damage. Reseating the battery appears to help. I hope it's this simple for everyone else.
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I agree with the battery connection guess. I had the same problem of it turning off randomly and it hasn't happened to me since I cleaned off the connectors on both the battery and the phone. Good luck to everyone else!
i am having the same problem
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So...my girlfriend's galaxy nexus started randomly shutting off in the past few weeks..it was completely stock..so i decided to root it, change the kernel, ROM and baseband...
However, it still does it with no particular pattern..the only consistent thing is that it seems to happen when we're out of the house..not turning on or off any particular wireless service like wifi Bluetooth etc...i even tried tapping on the back a few times like some other forums suggested...but that didn't recreate the problem..so I'd really be happy to hear any troubleshooting/suggestions/etc..
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do you also have dream scene enabled? i have noticed that when i have my nexus plugged in and the dream scene is on that it is hard to get it just to the main passcode screen upon hitting power button.
now the phone just randomly turns off , while in the middle of charging sitting completely still on my desk.
wtf is going on with this phone?
I had this issue when I first got the GN.
Unfortunately, I think it is a permanent hardware issue (at least it was for me). Not due to software/firmware or anything like that. I would get random reboots, sometimes once a week, sometimes twice a day.
I finally had to make use of the warranty and send it into verizon. I got a new one, and it works great! Not a single random shutdown or reboot.
Within a second my Captivate Glide will suddenly go to 0% power then slowly charge back up over time..or if I charge it, it jumps back up to about where it left off. And it happens pretty much every time I turn my phone on for more then 5 mins. It seems to happen while sending or receiving text? Any ideas what could be causing this or a solution?
I keep my data off, and theres 3 apps (Stock SMS Messenger, Handcent SMS, and the Contacts+ App) that can handle SMS on my phone, and I have locker pro that displays my notifications. And I also use the Nova Launcher, but thats the only app's I keep running. Maybe a conflict with the apps or a bug with one of the apps? I don't see how that'd effect the battery that much but possibly?
I've also changed my ROM a few times, but right now I'm back on the newest ICS update and I've rooted it. Maybe I need to change it again? I can't remember if this problem started happening before I did my last change.
Or maybe just a bad battery? I don't know much about batteries but I haven't had this phone long, I don't think it'd be the battery.
If you have any more questions feel free to ask and I appreciate any help!
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Within a second my Captivate Glide will suddenly go to 0% power then slowly charge back up over time..or if I charge it, it jumps back up to about where it left off. And it happens pretty much every time I turn my phone on for more then 5 mins. It seems to happen while sending or receiving text? Any ideas what could be causing this or a solution?
I keep my data off, and theres 3 apps (Stock SMS Messenger, Handcent SMS, and the Contacts+ App) that can handle SMS on my phone, and I have locker pro that displays my notifications. And I also use the Nova Launcher, but thats the only app's I keep running. Maybe a conflict with the apps or a bug with one of the apps? I don't see how that'd effect the battery that much but possibly?
I've also changed my ROM a few times, but right now I'm back on the newest ICS update and I've rooted it. Maybe I need to change it again? I can't remember if this problem started happening before I did my last change.
Or maybe just a bad battery? I don't know much about batteries but I haven't had this phone long, I don't think it'd be the battery.
If you have any more questions feel free to ask and I appreciate any help!
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I had about the same problem, with it working fine with a decent charge (anywhere between 30-80%), and all of the sudden it would say "battery critically low" and shut down. Putting it on the charger would often get the charge to show what it was before it freaked out.
I noticed that the battery was starting to bulge and get somewhat "mushy"....which told me the battery was probably going to explode or leak if I didn't replace it soon
I have had the phone for a year and four days, and this just showed up in the last few days...fortunately I bought an extended warranty and they will pay for the replacement battery I just picked up today.
FYI, the battery should be totally flat on both sides. Mine would wobble if I set it on a table.
Ok, TL1170, Thanks!
I already narrowed it down to my battery by the time you posted that because I factory reset my phone multiple times and changed the ROM once to see if that'd help, and it didn't..I was running out of stuff to blame it on ..
But yeah, my battery is pretty badly deformed and I just ordered a new one.
Thanks, mine is doing the same thing - about once every 2 days or so. I can see in the battery life plot that it sometimes goes from 90% almost completely vertically to 0% and then right back up to 90%. I don't see any obvious bulges or "mushiness" to it, but it doesn't seem to be completely flat when put on a table. I'll see if I can get a replacement battery, this phone was not used by it's previous owner for maybe a year or so before I bought it, maybe that might have been part of the problem.
suret said:
Ok, TL1170, Thanks!
I already narrowed it down to my battery by the time you posted that because I factory reset my phone multiple times and changed the ROM once to see if that'd help, and it didn't..I was running out of stuff to blame it on ..
But yeah, my battery is pretty badly deformed and I just ordered a new one.
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Any time a battery is misshaped it can do the oddest things.
Pull out and visually inspect your battery. If there are any visible cracks or bulges, dispose of it carefully. Damaged lithium ion batteries are incredibly dangerous; a properly pissed off LIon will produce a sizable fireball.
If your battery looks fine, fully charge it (until your phone says "100%" or "Charged"), then fully discharge it (don't connect to the charger again until your phone shuts off for lack of power). This is to calibrate the charge estimator chip in the battery itself. Don't bother with batterystats.bin, it's completely unrelated.
If the above doesn't work, you need a new battery. If the new battery behaves the same way, you need a new phone
Happening to us too
It's been happening to my phone for a while now, but I'm usually using it while at a desk so I can keep it charging. However, it just started happening to my wife's Captivate Glide also. I checked my battery and don't notice any bulging or non-flatness... but it happens about once or twice a day now - Pretty much anytime I do anything more than make a call with the battery indicator saying it's somewhere less than maybe 90% charged. I've taken to using a portable backup battery when I'm out.
If you view the battery usage screens, you can see the cliffs where it drops from 80-90% down to zero and right back up. We've only had them for about a year, so I'm going to take it to AT&T and see if they can do anything for it... probably not.
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Pull out and visually inspect your battery. If there are any visible cracks or bulges, dispose of it carefully. Damaged lithium ion batteries are incredibly dangerous; a properly pissed off LIon will produce a sizable fireball.
If your battery looks fine, fully charge it (until your phone says "100%" or "Charged"), then fully discharge it (don't connect to the charger again until your phone shuts off for lack of power). This is to calibrate the charge estimator chip in the battery itself. Don't bother with batterystats.bin, it's completely unrelated.
If the above doesn't work, you need a new battery. If the new battery behaves the same way, you need a new phone
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It's been happening to my phone for a while now, but I'm usually using it while at a desk so I can keep it charging. However, it just started happening to my wife's Captivate Glide also. I checked my battery and don't notice any bulging or non-flatness... but it happens about once or twice a day now - Pretty much anytime I do anything more than make a call with the battery indicator saying it's somewhere less than maybe 90% charged. I've taken to using a portable backup battery when I'm out.
If you view the battery usage screens, you can see the cliffs where it drops from 80-90% down to zero and right back up. We've only had them for about a year, so I'm going to take it to AT&T and see if they can do anything for it... probably not.
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If you're really desperate to get those particular batteries working, you could try cleaning the contacts, both on the battery and in the phone, with rubbing alcohol and Q-tips. But most likely you will need new batteries.
Battery( low power) Shut Down Issue Fixed
I also was having the "critical powerl level" shut down issue over the past two weeks. My phone is about two years old, and there was a few occasions in the past two weeks where i pulled it out of my pocket and it was off. Then this past week the phone (on a full charge) would go anywhere from around 90% sometimes %40, and then all of a sudden say "battery low" and shut off. It would turn back on, but would only stay on for a few minutes.And a few times it also got really hot. It wasnt doing this when plugged into the wall so i examined my battery and there was NO visible flaws or bulging of any kind, it looked fine. But as we all know just because it looks good certainly doesnt mean it is so i odered one on ebay for about $10. It arrived 2-3 days later and instantly fixed my problem. The phone is fine now and hasnt done anything wierd. It was the battery. These batteries have a limited life span, and very often the phone may say the battery is 76% charged but the capacity of the battery under load can still draw it down to 0%. You cant always trust the level the phone says its at. So if anyone else out there is having this power issue it really isnt expensive to find a good battery out there. The one i got was $9.98 and it is a Samsung battery identical to the one that came with the phone. Except the new one has a fresh date of 2013 on it. Very happy to have my phone back. Ive never been a part of any sites like this, but im posting here now because there seems to be a lot of people having this issue, and often someone will put a very complex procedure on these sites to fix an issue when its not always necessary. If you have the power/shut off issue like i've described here and your phone does the same as mine was its probably the battery, and for the price of a new one like i got, its worth trying.
So for the last few months, my phone would randomly restart itself around once or twice a month. I didn't really care since it was a minor annoyance. Usually it would be when I was trying to do a bunch of things at once so I figured it might be a software problem. However, over the last two weeks or so, it has gotten worse. I usually charge my phone in the morning for about an hour while I get ready for the day. So by the time I leave the house, my phone is at 100%. What'll happen is I'll unplug it from the charger then will get about ten/fifteen minutes of uninterrupted usage before the screen goes black and the LG logo comes on. And the phone turns back on with less battery. Then, as I go to put in my knock code, it crashes again. Turns back on. Now with even less battery. This continues about five or six times until I'm left with anything from 3-15%. I can't make calls without the phone turning off, can't take pictures. Can't really do anything. However, there are no problems when the phone is charging. I can use it fine during that. I'm almost positive this is an issue with the battery (going to order a new one soon), however I just wanted to see if anyone else had this problem too and found a fix?
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So for the last few months, my phone would randomly restart itself around once or twice a month. I didn't really care since it was a minor annoyance. Usually it would be when I was trying to do a bunch of things at once so I figured it might be a software problem. However, over the last two weeks or so, it has gotten worse. I usually charge my phone in the morning for about an hour while I get ready for the day. So by the time I leave the house, my phone is at 100%. What'll happen is I'll unplug it from the charger then will get about ten/fifteen minutes of uninterrupted usage before the screen goes black and the LG logo comes on. And the phone turns back on with less battery. Then, as I go to put in my knock code, it crashes again. Turns back on. Now with even less battery. This continues about five or six times until I'm left with anything from 3-15%. I can't make calls without the phone turning off, can't take pictures. Can't really do anything. However, there are no problems when the phone is charging. I can use it fine during that. I'm almost positive this is an issue with the battery (going to order a new one soon), however I just wanted to see if anyone else had this problem too and found a fix?
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had this same problem many times. For me it's the battery. The battery really sucks on this phone.
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had this same problem many times. For me it's the battery. The battery really sucks on this phone.
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X2 Same problems, same solution.
Hello,
I bought a used T-Mobile HTC One M8 a couple of days ago off of eBay. While it's a cool phone, I've had a serious issue with the battery. When plugged in, the phone works fine. However, after being charged for several hours and removed from a power source, the battery will read 100%, slowly dying to around 96% or so with use, and then shut off randomly without warning only a few minutes after being taken off the charger. It won't give the normal "shutting down" message; instead, the battery will go from whatever percent it was to 0% and then the screen will go black.
From what I've seen online, the battery might be bad. s suggest that this problem results in an inflated battery. In this M8, I noticed that the left edge of the screen was almost separated from the metal bezel as if something was pushing it up from behind. This makes me think my battery might be bloated, causing the battery issue and pushing up the screen.
I have tried wiping the phone before flashing Lineage OS instead of the stock ROM, fully charging the battery up, and fully discharging the battery, but nothing so far has worked. Do you have any tricks I could try that might fix this if it is a software issue? Or does this seem like a bad battery that would have to be replaced?
If the battery is bad, the M8 doesn't make it easily removable, so I would either have to take the phone apart or send it in and possibly pay someone to replace it. The previous owner said it was working fine, but I have yet to hear his reply to my eBay message asking about the issue. He included all of the original packaging, including the original limited warranty. While the warranty is probably long expired and technically doesn't transfer over reselling a phone, do you think there is any chance that HTC or T-Mobile might be willing to fix the phone or send a different one?
Thank you for any help you can provide.
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Hello,
I bought a used T-Mobile HTC One M8 a couple of days ago off of eBay. While it's a cool phone, I've had a serious issue with the battery. When plugged in, the phone works fine. However, after being charged for several hours and removed from a power source, the battery will read 100%, slowly dying to around 96% or so with use, and then shut off randomly without warning only a few minutes after being taken off the charger. It won't give the normal "shutting down" message; instead, the battery will go from whatever percent it was to 0% and then the screen will go black.
From what I've seen online, the battery might be bad. s suggest that this problem results in an inflated battery. In this M8, I noticed that the left edge of the screen was almost separated from the metal bezel as if something was pushing it up from behind. This makes me think my battery might be bloated, causing the battery issue and pushing up the screen.
I have tried wiping the phone before flashing Lineage OS instead of the stock ROM, fully charging the battery up, and fully discharging the battery, but nothing so far has worked. Do you have any tricks I could try that might fix this if it is a software issue? Or does this seem like a bad battery that would have to be replaced?
If the battery is bad, the M8 doesn't make it easily removable, so I would either have to take the phone apart or send it in and possibly pay someone to replace it. The previous owner said it was working fine, but I have yet to hear his reply to my eBay message asking about the issue. He included all of the original packaging, including the original limited warranty. While the warranty is probably long expired and technically doesn't transfer over reselling a phone, do you think there is any chance that HTC or T-Mobile might be willing to fix the phone or send a different one?
Thank you for any help you can provide.
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Flash t mobile RUU (software problems will slove with this ) . If the issue still there ,then it must be a hardware issue i.e faulty battery or some other.
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The battery in my M8 is really weak now, and as of maybe 6-9 months ago the phone is not tracking the battery level well. When the phone is idle, it powers off at 20-30% indicated charge remaining, with games active, maybe it will power off at 45%. I get 1 hour PoGo from a _full_ charge.
Previously, I've experienced the phone getting hot when charging (mainly in the car) and this has probably had a serious impact on the battery capacity. Assuming the phone you have is over a year old, you should assume the battery is badly aged by now.
my adorable M8 in his third year of use recently has the same symptoms of @tshoulihane. Is necessary to say that I've took so much care in his first 2 years like disconnecting the battery after few minutes of reaching the 100% (also voiding to charge all the night) or turning off the phone at 10% and I never be waited for the auto turn off at 0%. All this that I'm telling you is in the first 2 years. In this third year of using the m8 as my main phone, I received this bad symptoms doing the opposite of the first years of care. Now I just connect powerbank or something at 30% to void awkwards sudden death of battery. Mmm I have plans to keep 1 year more my m8 with me, it still a beast in camera, sound and no lag, so I'm looking for a battery replacement im Amazon but the reviews are bad, I think is very difficult to get a good *new* battery because that replacements get old too with the years of storage... mmm I don't know but this was my little story with my battery experience with M8. Regards guys.