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Smartphone & PocketPC Magazine will help us by posting a full story!

Everyone,
Werner Ruotsalainen from Smartphone & PocketPC Magazine has agreed to do a full story on our current issues with Microsoft on their website (http://www.pocketpcmag.com)
He will also include a link to our petition against Microsoft so people that agree can help support us! (http://www.petitiononline.com/xdadevs/petition.html)
See below for details...
Comment from: Jason Wright [Visitor]
Dear Mr. Ruotsalainen,
My name is Jason Wright (better known as XDA-DEV handle: Jwrightmcps). I am contacting you today in regards to the latest issue xda-developers is having with Microsoft, which you may already be aware of.
The short of it is that MS wants XDA-Dev to remove all ROMs that contain any of their software (which means all of them, including OEM ones).
As many of us know XDA-Developers has been a great resource to the Pocket PC community years and what has always made it so, was our extensive collection of ROMs, updates and free support.
I myself have created many of these ROMs and updates for many of the devices and must say it breaks my heart that MS would be so un-thoughtful of the PPC community and harsh. We (the developers) have been picking-up where the OEMs have left off for years. If users didn’t have us as a resource the devices would not be as popular today as they are!
We (the members) have started a petition to stop MS from forcing us to delete all our work, but still need many more signatures before they will even think of re-considering. This is what I am hoping you may be able to help us with, as you have a much larger audience than we do.
Could you maybe post something about it with a link to the on-line petition, so people that agree could show their support and help us keep our great community alive?
I have included some links to the story if you would like to review it, also the link to our petition. You may also contact me directly via e-mail: xxxxxxx if you have any questions or comments.
Story:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=281
Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/xdadevs/petition.html
Thank you for your help.
Sincerely yours,
Jason Wright
(aka Jwrightmcps)
02/17/07 @ 02:40
Comment from: Werner Ruotsalainen [Member]
Sure I will! I've been having the flu the last few days, this is why I've stopped publishing stries or actively participating in discussions; I'll make a full story of all this, hopefully, tomorrow.
02/17/07 @ 02:45
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Source here:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/in...the_now_gps_enabled_htc&tb=1&pb=1&disp=single
(look under: "Comments, Trackbacks, Pingbacks")
Keep us alive!
-Jwrightmcps
P.S. Also a "BIG" thanks to midget_1990 for starting the petition! And thanks to Werner Ruotsalainen for picking-up the story for us!

thanks to you and to Smartphone & PocketPC Mag!

This is very good. Hope our plea would be heard by MS through this magazine. Thanks Jwright and midget to making this possible

Great stuff guys!!! Thanks for your hard work as always

i hope more members will participate and give support !

I have written to two UK based Magazines...
www.pcmag.co.uk and www.pcpro.co.uk to ask for their support too, will let you know if I hear anything.
Keep fighting guys!!!

Story is out!
Guys here is the story from Smartphone & PocketPC Magazine...
See:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1712&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#more1712
Take care,
-Jwrightmcps
P.S. We still need more support everyone!

I just got a reply from PC Pro magazine in UK...
Hi Simon – thanks for this. While I can’t promise any great prominence on the site or in the mag, we’re going to put something in our forums about it to try and drum up some support that way, and I’ve also flagged it to our mobile and wireless columnist.
All the best
Tim Danton
Editor, PC Pro
Will keep you posted with any further developments.

Great Job Guys !!!

at least a great start.

A very important fact about XDA Developers!

XDA-Developers is the best forum and site I have ever used. I love all you guys and how everyone is so helpful and if the posts are sensible no one flames!! As soon as I make some money I will be donating...?(bet you have heard that before.... lol)
I know how much effort it must take to maintain a site of this magnitude, Admin needs praise for all their hard work but most of all the Developers and cooks that give my phone a new lease of life every few weeks ;-)
Lets not forget the users who, lets face it go out of their way to help!
So once again
BIG BIG THANK YOU EVERYONE AND XDA-DEVELOPERS!!!
Glad to be part a of the community since 2nd January 2006

what means XDA? sorry i dnt want to make a new thread, im from dominican republic sorry

overmachine said:
what means XDA? sorry i dnt want to make a new thread, im from dominican republic sorry
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no biggie but my educated guess would be that Xda is a magnitude of o2 branded WM devices, that are produced by multiple manufacturers, most likely HTC was the initial main inspiration for this forum, considering it is only HTC manufactured devices.

HiJACKED!!

Thank u Very Much! to both my doubt was cleared up

The O2 Xda brand is a range of O2-branded Windows Mobile PDA phones, produced by multiple manufacturers (mainly HTC, Quanta and Erima). The first model was released in June 2002. The "X" represents convergence of voice and information/data within one product; the "da" stands for "digital assistant", as in PDA.

Install XAP without Marketplace on WP7S

Instead of whining about what WP7S isn't going to be (because Microsoft surely won't change their plans and development anymore) let's start to develop and hack this thing.
The most important question for the developers here would be: How to install apps without going through the marketplace. Just as we did it ever before here on XDA-Devs with cabs.
Because I am not alone when I say I'm not ready to pay 75$ a year for a marketplace developer subscription just to release my small just-for-fun freeware app.
Maybe there is already someone out there who figured it out...
EMBRACE CHANGE!

You can just load it with XNA Studio. I do it all the time with my Zune.

Then let's hope that this will still work for WP7S.

There's an option to deploy your project in VS too to deploy to a device, so I presume thats how you would install a non market place app

All phones will be "locked." It appears that only developers who pay the $99/yr fee will be able to unlock their device(s).

DMAND said:
There's an option to deploy your project in VS too to deploy to a device, so I presume thats how you would install a non market place app
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Yes, but this only works with projects for which you have the source code. And this is only for debugging.
I hope someone will hack this, so that we free developers can just post our xap and all users can install it on their phones without marketplace.
Or Microsoft should rethink their business plans for marketplace. Free Apps should stay free. The developers are already spending a lot resources to develop freeware apps. Why forcing them to pay 99$/yr, too??
It's ok for devs who wants to earn money with their app. Or for advertisers who create free apps just to advertise their company. But not for private free-time devs.
If Microsoft is able to do it for students then why not for all other freeware developers who doesn't want to sell their apps for different reasons (open source etc...).

RustyGrom said:
It appears that only developers who pay the $99/yr fee will be able to unlock their device(s).
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I keep hearing about it. Is there a definitive source for this information?

Cipher said:
Instead of whining about what WP7S isn't going to be (because Microsoft surely won't change their plans and development anymore) let's start to develop and hack this thing.
The most important question for the developers here would be: How to install apps without going through the marketplace. Just as we did it ever before here on XDA-Devs with cabs.
Because I am not alone when I say I'm not ready to pay 75$ a year for a marketplace developer subscription just to release my small just-for-fun freeware app.
Maybe there is already someone out there who figured it out...
EMBRACE CHANGE!
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For my know,M$ allows business user install xap without Marketplace, so I am sure xda brother can find the way to do that

vangrieg said:
I keep hearing about it. Is there a definitive source for this information?
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I spoke with a Microsoft employee (Technical Evangelist Developer Platform & Strategy Group) at CeBIT this month and he told me that. He also told me that he himself is not happy about this decision especially for all those freeware developers.

Well, that sucks. They could have avoided users relying to hacking their devices to do basic stuff. Jailbreaking, cracked DRM and piracy it is then. They made their choice.

The various presentations at MIX mention developers unlocking their devices for deployment.
It's important to note that a lot of the marketplace details are still up in the air. The pricing may change. They've specifically stated that they haven't decided on the 5app (or is it 3, I forget) limit. They very well may allow developers to sign up for a free account and only publish free apps with no advertising. We shall see.

I'm sure they are having much more heated discussions about it than we here are.

Cipher said:
I spoke with a Microsoft employee (Technical Evangelist Developer Platform & Strategy Group) at CeBIT this month and he told me that. He also told me that he himself is not happy about this decision especially for all those freeware developers.
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Hey my Friends,
let me ask this question: I'm using an HTC HD2 with a Windows 7. I love it, but the camera is really bullsh..!
So I found an XAP, what gives me the full camera option.
Does it means, that I have to pay Microsoft, to put this App on? Or is there another way to install it on my phone?
This is not really hacking, because if I can't use my cam, I have to go back to the android system. That will hurt Microsoft even more?!?
Please let me know about your oppinions
Thanks

KegelS said:
Hey my Friends,
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I'm using an HTC HD2 with a Windows 7
<snip>I have to go back to the android system. That will hurt Microsoft even more?!?
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How will it hurt Microsoft for you to stop using their OS when you haven't paid for a licence for it?

Mobile payment app project

Hi everyone...... My name is Stephen and I am an undergraduate student. Been told recently to develop a mobile payment app for my final project. Was advised by my supervisor to come here and meet good developers to work with if they find the project interesting enough. Would really love to have as many android developers as possible on board. Hoping to hear from someone soon. Cheers

Any ideas on how its gonna work ?

Can you describe your project?

[Q] Would like to dual boot my Tab 3 7.0 with windows RT

I want to dual boot my Tab with window RT. I saw this article on CNET saying it is possible. However I have not seen any information on the steps or process. Has anyone done this or tried this yet? Thanks in advance for your help :good:

swayzie9306 said:
I want to dual boot my Tab with window RT. I saw this article on CNET saying it is possible. However I have not seen any information on the steps or process. Has anyone done this or tried this yet? Thanks in advance for your help :good:
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Impossible!!!

safariking said:
Impossible!!!
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to elaborate on this guy windows rt is proprietary and is only installed oem (from the manufacturer) to do so would not only be illegal but would require windows arm drivers which aren't eother open source nor even available without like recompiling windows... it could be done but the level of coding would be so great that kind of people are probably already working for microsoft.
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reinaldistic said:
to elaborate on this guy windows rt is proprietary and is only installed oem (from the manufacturer) to do so would not only be illegal but would require windows arm drivers which aren't eother open source nor even available without like recompiling windows... it could be done but the level of coding would be so great that kind of people are probably already working for microsoft.
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I brought a iOS recovery disc from the apple store and did a dual boot on my desktop. I figure I can buy a recovery disc from the windows store for window RT. That would make my purchase of the OS legal and therefor as long as I am not redistributing the disc. And as I stated, I was not trying to talk about illegal software. There was an article posted on CNET's page regarding the dual boot possibility of the Tab 3 with windows RT.

swayzie9306 said:
I brought a iOS recovery disc from the apple store and did a dual boot on my desktop. I figure I can buy a recovery disc from the windows store for window RT. That would make my purchase of the OS legal and therefor as long as I am not redistributing the disc. And as I stated, I was not trying to talk about illegal software. There was an article posted on CNET's page regarding the dual boot possibility of the Tab 3 with windows RT.
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as legal as it might make it as a piracy issue the EULA prohibits such use. OSX and Windows RT have license agreements that limit which devices it can run on legally. Also the possibilities involved count on Samsung tabs that come with RT having similar hardware as the android ones; however there is no guarantee since the kernel is not open source and there is no known source for a windows kernel that uses arm. until someone leaks a source from rt's kernel and a savvy enough programmer adapts it to the android tabs its just not feasible or else cnet would have reported someone doing it not a "possibility"
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i have to......
reinaldistic said:
as legal as it might make it as a piracy issue the EULA prohibits such use. OSX and Windows RT have license agreements that limit which devices it can run on legally. Also the possibilities involved count on Samsung tabs that come with RT having similar hardware as the android ones; however there is no guarantee since the kernel is not open source and there is no known source for a windows kernel that uses arm. until someone leaks a source from rt's kernel and a savvy enough programmer adapts it to the android tabs its just not feasible or else cnet would have reported someone doing it not a "possibility"
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wow, you guys are really....legal...and non-piraty...piratey?
how about the part of the discussion where someone asks why would you throw away your money
on windows rt? for all of that you might be better suited to looking for a tab with windows at default
but mod-able to dual boot android. Arrrr matey !!! :angel:

moonbutt74 said:
wow, you guys are really....legal...and non-piraty...piratey?
how about the part of the discussion where someone asks why would you throw away your money
on windows rt? for all of that you might be better suited to looking for a tab with windows at default
but mod-able to dual boot android. Arrrr matey !!! :angel:
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meh once you go breaking eulas might as well break the "you have to buy it" rule. but lets not get into that. most of what I was saying is that xda won't like it because its illegal. you can't discuss illegal stuff on xda.
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ha
reinaldistic said:
meh once you go breaking eulas might as well break the "you have to buy it" rule. but lets not get into that. most of what I was saying is that xda won't like it because its illegal. you can't discuss illegal stuff on xda.
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you mean like smoking pot in the wrong state? [snicker] :cyclops: