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I have a t-mobile touch pro 2 from htc and i dont know if it is GSM or CDMA, how do you check? im a noob at this so i wouldnt know.. Also is living in american version different from overseas version of the phone for t-mobile?
t-mobile would be GSM
the US version would be locked to US t-mobile and i dont think you would be able to use it internationally without unlocking first
what do you mean by locked to US t-mobile and for sure it is GSM? dont want to risk bricking my phone :/
That means that you can ONLY use your TP2 on the US T-Mobile Network, unless you unlock the sim. And yes T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 is GSM.
okay thanks a lot. any advice you guys want to give when you guys were starting off?
pandaxownage said:
I have a t-mobile touch pro 2 from htc and i dont know if it is GSM or CDMA, how do you check? im a noob at this so i wouldnt know.. Also is living in american version different from overseas version of the phone for t-mobile?
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T-Mobile anywhere worldwide is GSM, not CDMA. (Verizon and Sprint...and a few others are CDMA).
However, the version of TP2 released/branded by T-Mobile USA is different -- with somewhat different radio hardware -- than what is used in Europe.
It will definitely work on the EDGE-speed GSM networks in Europe...but not as sure about the 3G-speed bands.
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That means that you can ONLY use your TP2 on the US T-Mobile Network, unless you unlock the sim.
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That's not quite true...it's only true if you want to put a non-T-MoUSA sim card in your phone. I've taken my previous (not TP2) T-MoUSA phones to Europe more than once and they work and access the networks fine. It's just that you have to pay international roaming charges...but it definitely works.
T-Mobile international data roaming charges in most places in the GSM world are $15 per megabyte...so that's pretty steep for web browsing, but not bad for mostly-text e-mail which is typically only a few kilobytes per e-mail.
Charges for international voice calls are quite high, too. That's why some people who plan to make local calls -- e.g., to call a Rome number while in Rome -- (or use a lot of data) get a local/European/whatever sim card...and that's the situation for which you need to have the sim-unlock done.
pandaxownage said:
okay thanks a lot. any advice you guys want to give when you guys were starting off?
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Run these two cabs (I also recommend running and archiving all cabs you use, in a folder on your SD card)....they're the official "welcome basket" for all new TP2 owners
Together they help clear up memory management issues the TP2 has, which you would see the negative effects of rather quickly.
The first one turns off internet pre-caching (a waste of resources with little or no benefit), and the second one lets the phone free up memory better when apps are done using it.
sirphunkee said:
Run these two cabs (I also recommend running and archiving all cabs you use, in a folder on your SD card)....they're the official "welcome basket" for all new TP2 owners
Together they help clear up memory management issues the TP2 has, which you would see the negative effects of rather quickly.
The first one turns off internet pre-caching (a waste of resources with little or no benefit), and the second one lets the phone free up memory better when apps are done using it.
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i am currently using clean ram should i delete that?
pandaxownage said:
i am currently using clean ram should i delete that?
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Nope, that's just one more tool that can help, it just may not need to lend as much of a hand after you run those.
thanks, anything else i should need or know before i start flashing and stuff?
pandaxownage said:
thanks, anything else i should need or know before i start flashing and stuff?
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Read the first post of "Flashing your first GSM Rom..." thread -- and associated HardSPL thread -- carefully.
That's the most important thing you can do before flashing custom rom.
just to make sure its http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550131
and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550540 right?
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just to make sure its http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550131
and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550540 right?
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Yes and yes.
should i download the cooked rom and after hspl i install then flash or how does it work?
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should i download the cooked rom and after hspl i install then flash or how does it work?
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The big bold red steps #2 and #3 at that second link answer that for you
pandaxownage said:
I have a t-mobile touch pro 2 from htc and i dont know if it is GSM or CDMA, how do you check? im a noob at this so i wouldnt know.. Also is living in american version different from overseas version of the phone for t-mobile?
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If you got the phone directly from HTC, it is probably the international verson that works with the European T-Mobile high speed network. Does the box it came in say "T-Mobile" or "HTC"?
But it is definitely GSM.
Is it unlocked?
it came in the t-mobile box. what do you mean by unlocked?
pandaxownage said:
it came in the t-mobile box. what do you mean by unlocked?
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altered at the firmware level to allow it to work with sim cards from other carriers. It's something you have to do or pay somebody to do for you, so if you did neither, then it's still "sim-locked"
yeah its locked :X
pandaxownage said:
yeah its locked :X
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Not a big deal, don't sweat it...that has no bearing on flashing radios or roms, only matters if you want to use it on a carrier other than T-Mobile (US)
I think what stevedebi was asking for is because the euro version comes unlocked from the factory, and I believe is labeled as such.
Good afternoon everyone
I'm going to Ireland here in October and i want to talk my HTC TP2 (world edition) phone with me. I gave telus a ring and they told me the following.
1) they need to activate an international roaming feature which requires a 200 dollar deposit.
2) Then i need to pay for any international Airtime (which was expected)
3) Date will cost me 25 dollars a meg. This to me is the worst because thats all I really need. I don't need the phone.
I have no intentions of giving into Telus's demands so really here's my question. As I said I'm using a world edition HTC touch pro 2 loaded with Mighty Mikes latest rom. Is there an international or European version of this rom (or something similar) i can load up so that I can use my phone in Ireland without it actually needing to go through telus? Like i said data being the most important thing to me.
thx
Worldphone is CMDA right? You should read this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566043
I think that you should unlock your phone and then buy a simcard in Ireland for the data. I think that that would be your best solution.
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Worldphone is CMDA right? You should read this thread.
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A worldphone is both GSM and CDMA.
Sorry for the offtopic, just wanted to clarify
Jackos said:
A worldphone is both GSM and CDMA.
Sorry for the offtopic, just wanted to clarify
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Yes I know, but then he can't use the gsm unlocker can he?
Is there a way to make a rooted and SIM-unlocked DInc2 usable on AT&T and T-Mo networks in the US? Any sort of flashable upgrade to any internal components, hacked radio or whatnot that would achieve that purpose?
Really?? Your question wasn't answered when you posted this in the development forum? You need to sim unlock your phone via verizon or xtc clip.
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Ah, rude comment followed by subpar answer, apparently that's the norm on xda? What would the world be if we didn't continuously punish people for harmless mistakes? Grow up.
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Taebom said:
Really?? Your question wasn't answered when you posted this in the development forum? You need to sim unlock your phone via verizon or xtc clip.
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I will be as nice as I possibly can.
LEARN TO READ, will ya?
The phone is *already* SIM unlocked and rooted. However, Verizon blocks AT&T and T-Mobile SIMs even on SIM-unlocked phones. Hence the question.
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Ah, rude comment followed by subpar answer, apparently that's the norm on xda? What would the world be if we didn't continuously punish people for harmless mistakes? Grow up.
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Thanks for the support, snowman, but this was no mistake.
The question was phrased perfectly, and I am sure I am not the only one who would benefit from a solution.
In fact, the whole reason I posted it in the development forum initially is because, based on my research, there is no solution as of yet, and if it is possible at all, it will probably require further developers' involvement to find it.
If anyone here wants to prove me wrong, I would appreciate a concrete answer or a link to a solution.
I'm fairly certain I've read of the DINC 2 being used on T-Mobile successfully, not sure if I've read of AT&T though. Can't for the life of me remember where I read it though, probably here or Droid-Forums.net.
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I'm fairly certain I've read of the DINC 2 being used on T-Mobile successfully, not sure if I've read of AT&T though. Can't for the life of me remember where I read it though, probably here or Droid-Forums.net.
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My understanding is, it is not possible out of the box:
http://androidforums.com/htc-droid-incredible-2/327419-sim-unlock-issue.html#post2907910
My experience has been the same.
This is what I came up with. I hope it can help you!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201154
lightninjay said:
This is what I came up with. I hope it can help you!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201154
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Thanks, but I don't believe this thread answers the question. Or am I missing something?
Haven't tried it, but here's a link that should offer a solution:
androidforums.com/htc-droid-incredible-2/327419-sim-unlock-issue.html
The thread contains instructions for how to input an unlock code that should allow you to use other carriers' SIM card both in the US and abroad.
Good luck.
I;m in the same boat....I have unlocked my phone via xtc clip but still wont work att nor t mobile...what needs to be done for it to work.
What part of the memory is the gsm software lock stored, anyone know?
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Taebom said:
Really?? Your question wasn't answered when you posted this in the development forum? You need to sim unlock your phone via verizon or xtc clip.
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Correct me if im wrong, if I use the xtc clip (which i did), I do not need to call Verizon for a sim unlock code?
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I;m in the same boat....I have unlocked my phone via xtc clip but still wont work att nor t mobile...what needs to be done for it to work.
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Try reading: http://androidforums.com/htc-droid-incredible-2/327419-sim-unlock-issue.html
Have you done everything suggested there? (Changing to GSM, changed APN settings, etc)
If I'm not mistaken its a global phone. However the GSM frequency used abroad is different than in the states. Therefore I don't think it's possible.
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loki154 said:
If I'm not mistaken its a global phone. However the GSM frequency used abroad is different than in the states. Therefore I don't think it's possible.
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It's a quad band phone, so the problem is not with frequencies.
The problem is with verizon specifically precluding AT&T and T-Mo SIMs from working even when DInc2 is SIM-unlocked. Not sure which part of firmware is responsible for it, but I'd imagine it's flashable, so, given attention from the right developer, fixable.
I would really prefer to hear from people that know of a solution or are able to produce one. Lots of guesses resulting from being misinformed or, worse yet, misreading the original question just distract everyone and make it less likely that the real solution will ultimately be found.
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It's a quad band phone, so the problem is not with frequencies.
The problem is with verizon specifically precluding AT&T and T-Mo SIMs from working even when DInc2 is SIM-unlocked. Not sure which part of firmware is responsible for it, but I'd imagine it's flashable, so, given attention from the right developer, fixable.
I would really prefer to hear from people that know of a solution or are able to produce one. Lots of guesses resulting from being misinformed or, worse yet, misreading the original question just distract everyone and make it less likely that the real solution will ultimately be found.
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If you know someone that can write modem firmware then it's possible. but good luck with finding someone that can do that.
I can't remember where but its on xda somewhere. Apparently 3g won't work due to different bands. I really just can't remember.
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I unlocked my Dinc2 through a code from VZ. I can be on AT&T or T-Mo's network for EDGE; 3G no so much.
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I don't know if I am asking in the right place but if someone knows the answer I would really appreciate it.
I found a good deal on a Note ll that would save me a lot of money, only thing is I'm with Windmobile/Canada (which uses 1700/2100 frequency/bands and AWS network similar to T-Mobile in the USA as some of you know) but the phone isn't (works with Rogers, Bell, Fido...).
Now, I'm just dying to know, is there ANYTHING I can do to make the phone work with Wind? I've read and read and read I can't find a definitive answer. Some people selling Note ll phones on Craigslist claim their phones work with any carrier including Wind or Mobilicity. But some people say no way in hell that's possible.
So, please, can someone give me an answer to my question? Yes or no?
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I don't know if I am asking in the right place but if someone knows the answer I would really appreciate it.
I found a good deal on a Note ll that would save me a lot of money, only thing is I'm with Windmobile/Canada (which uses 1700/2100 frequency/bands and AWS network similar to T-Mobile in the USA as some of you know) but the phone isn't (works with Rogers, Bell, Fido...).
Now, I'm just dying to know, is there ANYTHING I can do to make the phone work with Wind? I've read and read and read I can't find a definitive answer. Some people selling Note ll phones on Craigslist claim their phones work with any carrier including Wind or Mobilicity. But some people say no way in hell that's possible.
So, please, can someone give me an answer to my question? Yes or no?
Thanks.
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Yes, it is possible. There is an unlock method before upgrading to 4.1.2. When the Note II came out with 4.1.1, there is a method used (go to the general forums to find more about this) without rooting the device.
If I were you, though, I would not trust online purchases of the Note II. Some people claim it stolen after you buy it so they get compensation for it if they have insurance for their phone.
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Caveat emptor. There are stolen devices out there, and fraudulent sellers.
With this disclaimer out of the way, your sellers with I317Ms claiming they'll work on Wind and Mobilicity have simply applied the mod outlined in this thread which you could do yourself.
If I were to buy another Note 2 via classifieds now, I'd pick a locked I317M (I'd avoid a locked BMA3 running T889V due to its modem-related bootloop issues), flash its initial release modem with Odin, unlock, update, and apply the AWS mod. (Granted I'm using Virgin Mobile, but having AWS could come in handy stateside with a T-Mobile prepaid SIM.)
Thanks kennyglass for moving my question to the right place. I wasn't sure where to ask because I'm not a frequent user of this site.
Thanks a million to Crinkypops and Darkshado for answering my question. I appreciate that. The good news is that now I know it is possible to make the phone work on an AWS network. The bad news is I have no clue how to do any of that stuff myself. I have zero experience or knowledge in this stuff, which means l'll probably have to get someone else with the necessary expertise to do this for me.....if l can find one.
Now a couple of things, if I get a new phone (factory unlocked) and it's already 4.1.2, would it be possible to change it to the older 4.1.1 ?
Is doing all the stuff you guys told me about involve rooting or whatever? I really don't want to mess up the phone with changing all kinds of things on it because I don't want to get stuck without a phone if something goes wrong and like I said I don't know anything about this stuff.
So, what if I buy a phone that was made to work with Wind or T-Mobile, would it be possible to modify it to make it work with other companies too? I really don't know why things have to be this complicated.
You have to start somewhere, it'll take a fair amount of reading, but it can be done.
Aside from their previous Nexus models, as of writing these lines, there's no such thing as a "factory unlocked" phone for Samsung Canada. All the SIM-unlocked devices you encounter were sold through carriers, and originally locked. Some sellers might also have grey market imports that were indeed never locked, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion, since we're interested in the North American variants of the Note 2.
You can downgrade the ROM back to 4.1.1 on all Canadian Note 2 variants, although I wouldn't try it on the T889V because it's been known to cause issues. Seems like there's a bug specific to this model.
You said you didn't want to be stuck without a phone if things went wrong, how about having a backup phone? The nice thing with two Android phones is that it's easy to keep their contacts and calendars synchronized.
The downgrade-to-unlock procedure can be done entirely using official (leaked) Samsung ROM images and tools, and does not require root. Done properly it will not trip the custom flash counter.
The AWS mod uses hidden factory built-in menus with leaked (QPST/QXDM) or reverse engineered tools (NV reader-writer / CDMA Workshop / EFS Pro). Again, it doesn't involve root and won't trip the flash counter. I317Ms that have had the AWS HSPA mod applied still work with their original carriers as before.
Thanks again, darkshadow.
Quick question. How do I know if the phone is I317M or BMA3 and running T889V ? Is l317M or BMA3 written on the back (once the cover is removed)?
Electroman365 said:
Thanks again, darkshadow.
Quick question. How do I know if the phone is I317M or BMA3 and running T889V ? Is l317M or BMA3 written on the back (once the cover is removed)?
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You can check it at the bottom of the box with the IMEI. I would advise you to actually go on the phone, though, and go to settings>about phone and then you'll see the IMEI, baseband, and model number in there. Make sure that the IMEI matches with the box. Some people steal phones and then just buy boxes so beware.
Good luck on your purchase!
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You can check it at the bottom of the box with the IMEI. I would advise you to actually go on the phone, though, and go to settings>about phone and then you'll see the IMEI, baseband, and model number in there. Make sure that the IMEI matches with the box. Some people steal phones and then just buy boxes so beware.
Good luck on your purchase!
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Thanks, crinkypops. I appreciate it and thanks for the info. If I buy a used phone I'll ask for the receipt and the box too.
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Thanks, crinkypops. I appreciate it and thanks for the info. If I buy a used phone I'll ask for the receipt and the box too.
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Just trying to help a fellow Canadian PM me how the purchase goes.
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Thanks again, crinkypops. I will. I first have to find out if the phone the guy can get me is an i317m and I'll go from there.
Well, looks like the only option I have is to buy a used Note II on CL. My "friend" who was going to hook me up with a new phone through a buddy of his is an unreliable scum bag of a "friend" and I'm not going to bother with him any more.
So now I'm looking on CL but I'm trying not to buy any phone unless the seller has the sales receipt to make sure I'm not buying something that's stolen.However, some sellers don't want to give the receipt -although willing to show it- because it has their personal information and my question is, would the receipt have the ID # (if that's what it's called) of the particular phone printed on it? If the phone is still under warranty, would it be possible to get it repaired (if there's a need) without a receipt?
Any other advice on how to avoid getting scammed buying a phone on CL?
Thanks.
Which city are you from? I am in vancouver and might consider selling if the price is right. I have the box and receipt. Phone is rooted running x14 with wind. Its still locked though.
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I don't know what the problem is. I tried to send private messages to vseslija and crinkypops but I don't think they went through.
vseslija, was your phone purchased from Wind?
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I'm a bit confused. Some guy is telling me I need to get the T889 and not the i317m if I want to use my phone with Wind, but from the answers here and from what I see on CL that can't be correct. Am I right? He says the i317m will be slow and unstable. Speed of T889 vs i317m : 42 mbps vs 21 mbps. Any thoughts?
Thanks.
Yup mine was purchased directly from wind.
That guy is bsing you
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Hmm, the guy isn't completely wrong, but he's not completely right either...
The (Canadian) T889V and I317M as well as the (US) T889 and I317 are all capable of 42 Mbps DC-HSPA. The 21 Mbps numbers you might have seen are due to AT&T's HSPA network not supporting dual channel operation, unlike most (all?) Canadian HSPA networks.
The T889 and T889V work on AWS HSPA carriers like Wind, Mobilicity, Videotron or T-Mobile USA out of the box. (The T889V won't work on LTE if you decide to switch back to Robellusfivirkoo, but that's another story, and there's also a way to enable that.)
The I317 and I317M won't, but are very easy to modify in order to enable the AWS HSPA you'll need. There have been a handful of reports of flaky connections on the AWS mod thread, but the ratio is so low that I'm lead to wonder if: there's an undocumented hardware revision for which the mod won't work, their phones or cellular networks had other issues, or if those trying to apply it did something wrong along the way.
I haven't checked Kijiji or CL for phones in a while, but I do recall the T889V commanding a slight premium over the I317M at one point because they were rarer.
Thanks again guys for replying. Man this has given me a lot of headache. Get a Wind Note and get it over with or get an i317m and mod it (have someone do it for me) to get it to work with AWS? I guess listening to what you guys had to say, plus asking a local cell phone shop is making me feel confident that it IS possible to get an i317m work on the AWS without any problems. Now, I think I'm going to take my chances and look for one on CL. In the worst case scenario if for some reason it gives me a headache I'm assuming I can have the process reversed (restore it to its original system) and I'll just sell it and get me a Note that was made specifically for Wind.
To those who helped me and answered my questions, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Just noticed the i317. So I guess there's an i317 and an i317m. Did some reading but the only difference I can see is that the "M" model is for the Canadian market. Am I right? Does an i317 work in Canada just fine?
The AT&T I317 should work just fine. But, (there's always one, isn't it?) its baseband has some "annoying" limitations (RAT lock is the term you'll want to search) that prevent you from toggling between network modes easily, i.e. you can't switch it between GSM only, WCDMA only, GSM/WCDMA/LTE like you can the Canadian model. Plus there are all the import related considerations you have to keep in mind (taxes and brokerage fees), plus buying something expensive sight-unseen.
The other differences are more benign and software-related. Nothing that can't be fixed with some ROM-flashing, like non-Robellusfivirkoo CSC settings.
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The AT&T I317 should work just fine. But, (there's always one, isn't it?) its baseband has some "annoying" limitations (RAT lock is the term you'll want to search) that prevent you from toggling between network modes easily, i.e. you can't switch it between GSM only, WCDMA only, GSM/WCDMA/LTE like you can the Canadian model. Plus there are all the import related considerations you have to keep in mind (taxes and brokerage fees), plus buying something expensive sight-unseen.
The other differences are more benign and software-related. Nothing that can't be fixed with some ROM-flashing, like non-Robellusfivirkoo CSC settings.
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Thanks for the reply and the info. I just got an i317m. Finally.
Can we use the Verizon Note 4 Variant on AT&T since according the specs, the developer edition is listed as GSM?
Don't need LTE, only need the phone for basic calling.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N910VMKEVZW
If you don't need lte you're probably fine with Verizon on att. However wait to hear what others have to say
Someone on the tmobile (i believe it was) forum said they were on the Verizon and it was connected to LTE. I'll look for the thread, and link it later when I have time
Thanks, please do keep me informed. Its $700 on Samsung's website and is bootloader unlocked. Probably even has a better resale value if you know what I mean, Cheers
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Someone on the tmobile (i believe it was) forum said they were on the Verizon and it was connected to LTE. I'll look for the thread, and link it later when I have time
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arjun90 said:
Thanks, please do keep me informed. Its $700 on Samsung's website and is bootloader unlocked. Probably even has a better resale value if you know what I mean, Cheers
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Here's the link to the the thread, post #6
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/verizon-note-4-t-mobile-network-t2916727