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Blue Tooth Remote????????

My lad has a sony ericson K750i and he has a built in app that means he can connect to the home PC and use the phone as a remote for a number of PC based apps such as media player, the desk top etc..
Has any one seen anything like this for the Orbit?

Under Windows Mobile 6 you can use Remote Desktop Service to Remote Control your PC, with Windows Mobile 5 it is Terminal Services i think. Other software, for example Remote Amp, lets you Remote Control Mediaplayers like iTunes or Winamp, so Yes, there is Software like that, and i dare to say, that these programs are much more powerful than the Sony Ericson thing is

I use tightvnc on my desktop computer and pocket vnc viewer on my pda. You simply need to install tightvnc on your computer, set up a password and set up my firewall to let me get in.
I use another tool to use wake on lan, with this I can even turn on my computer (need to be enabled in bios) when I'm in range and then access it. There are a few versions out there, check out the big freeware pages, you will find it. It's like you are using your computer yourself, everything can be controlled.

Samson711 said:
Under Windows Mobile 6 you can use Remote Desktop Service to Remote Control your PC,
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Just done a bit of digging on this and found it is in the WM6 Pro version but not in the standard version. Does anyone know if this can be retro installed on a standard version ?
Many thanks........

I installed it on my device, I didn't try to get a connection but the application starts up. I still prefer other clients, that's why I didn't try to establish a connection. I found the cab somewhere in another forum, I think it was Wizard or Hermes forum in one of those "kitchen"-threads.

BT Remote on k750i uses Bluetooth HID Profile and acts as virtual keyboard. It has nothing to do with Remote Desktop and is much less battery expensive than it.

drkbg said:
BT Remote on k750i uses Bluetooth HID Profile and acts as virtual keyboard. It has nothing to do with Remote Desktop and is much less battery expensive than it.
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Yes I was looking for something really simple like a touch screen, play, rewind, fast forward etc etc for media player.....
I'm just being cheap really I do not want to spend money on a PC remote control!!!!

There is an application that does it very well!!
nicko666 said:
My lad has a sony ericson K750i and he has a built in app that means he can connect to the home PC and use the phone as a remote for a number of PC based apps such as media player, the desk top etc..
Has any one seen anything like this for the Orbit?
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There`s an application called "NET SUPPORT CONTROL" that makes magic.You can command everything of your pc from your phone or rather control your phone from your pc.

Salling Clicker ?
But Netsupport is something similar to VNC, but more options and it isn't free. imo Netsupport is a nice tool for a company that needs
remote controlling all the devices. we also use it in our company to support our clients.
I think he's searching something like Salling Clicker ?
Dunno this tool, it isn't free...but sounds like something you're searching for...
oh yeah, a free alternative would be nice
Cheers

So I was looking for something like this...
till now three solutions.
http://www.jaylee.org/remotecontrol/
free, over Bluetooth,
buggy but touchpad function works well.
http://www.sidesk.org/
free, over WiFi,
less buggy. no touchpad but lots of easy customized shortcuts possible.
http://www.aacompserv.com/AACompWeb/Modules/PPCTablet/WhatIsIt.aspx
paid, over WiFi
some bugs, easy to use. easy customized shortcuts + touchpad function. has also kind of VNC function

drkbg said:
So I was looking for something like this...
till now three solutions.
http://www.jaylee.org/remotecontrol/
free, over Bluetooth,
buggy but touchpad function works well.
http://www.sidesk.org/
free, over WiFi,
less buggy. no touchpad but lots of easy customized shortcuts possible.
http://www.aacompserv.com/AACompWeb/Modules/PPCTablet/WhatIsIt.aspx
paid, over WiFi
some bugs, easy to use. easy customized shortcuts + touchpad function. has also kind of VNC function
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Nice one - looks [promising I will give each a go and let you know how I got on - Many thanks friend

Thoughts on remotely logging in on TP2...

Hi Folks,
How realistic is this? Ie to remotely log in to a server and do something sensible like restart a web instance on IIS or whatever or am I being too ambitious? Some colleagues think I should stick with netbooks/laptops.
If realistic what would you recommend ie RDP, LogMeIn etc...?
Thanks,
Sam

SamJolly said:
Hi Folks,
How realistic is this? Ie to remotely log in to a server and do something sensible like restart a web instance on IIS or whatever or am I being too ambitious? Some colleagues think I should stick with netbooks/laptops.
If realistic what would you recommend ie RDP, LogMeIn etc...?
Thanks,
Sam
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=528880

Works and tastes great! I just posted the Logmein fix on my other thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524676
It's free, it's effective even on EDGE and it just works with Mac, Windows, or Ubuntu.

SamJolly said:
Hi Folks,
How realistic is this? Ie to remotely log in to a server and do something sensible like restart a web instance on IIS or whatever or am I being too ambitious? Some colleagues think I should stick with netbooks/laptops.
If realistic what would you recommend ie RDP, LogMeIn etc...?
Thanks,
Sam
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I frequently use RDP on my TP2 to access servers (and LogMeIn for workstations). RDP is a joy to use with the high resolution on the TP2. When I first started using it, I tried impressing my girlfriend with its capabilities, but she didn't give a ****. So, it's nice to finally tell someone who does!

I always though RDP was a little anemic. Is it still that way? One of the best things about logmein was the ability to set it and forget it even with dynamic IP addressing. Also it's easy to install for people that need help on their desktops or servers. The other applications I have tried are PCAnywhere which is nice but a pain if dynamic IP is present, also RealVNC which worked great but had issues with performance as well as interoperability between OSs. Any others out there that might be nice? I need to connect with OSX, Windows XP/Vista, and also Ubuntu.

whtrbt7 said:
I always though RDP was a little anemic. Is it still that way? One of the best things about logmein was the ability to set it and forget it even with dynamic IP addressing. Also it's easy to install for people that need help on their desktops or servers. The other applications I have tried are PCAnywhere which is nice but a pain if dynamic IP is present, also RealVNC which worked great but had issues with performance as well as interoperability between OSs. Any others out there that might be nice? I need to connect with OSX, Windows XP/Vista, and also Ubuntu.
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Possibly getting a bit OT? but RDP is certainly excellent for any server administration task, and it works well on the TP2, which was the original question.

Folks,
Thanks for this. Very reassuring......
Brynweb, I loved your comment about your girl friend. I had the same issue with my wife...!! It is just a mobile.... ! No it is much more....
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I frequently use RDP on my TP2 to access servers (and LogMeIn for workstations). RDP is a joy to use with the high resolution on the TP2. When I first started using it, I tried impressing my girlfriend with its capabilities, but she didn't give a ****. So, it's nice to finally tell someone who does!
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Thanks,
Sam

Its friggen convenient when I'm out somewhere and realise OMG I forgot to tell Media Center to record XYZ. I can remote into home and schedule it.
Kinda impressive to see the Vista orb 5mm high!
I've been using RDP since my I got my Universal. Its great. Love it! Just make sure you have your stylus handy!

I use SSH to connect to linux and windows machines. In addition I tunnel VNC if I want to have the full desktop instead of a command line.

What exactly is a CE??

Can't we upgrade it????
I have X1 and from what I read, it has an old CE..whereas the Win7Phone has CE 7 o something, if its software, can't we upgrade or update it????

circleofomega said:
Can't we upgrade it????
I have X1 and from what I read, it has an old CE..whereas the Win7Phone has CE 7 o something, if its software, can't we upgrade or update it????
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Can't be upgrade as it's completely different kernal.
<<Basic Definition Here>>

CE stands for "Compact Edition" I have a HP Jornada 420 that came out in 1999 and has the first version on it,They change it to Windows Mobile when you could use the phone on it..

spannernick said:
CE stands for "Compact Edition" I have a HP Jornada 420 that came out in 1999 and has the first version on it,They change it to Windows Mobile when you could use the phone on it..
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actually CE is the main operating system. Windows Mobile is a layer on top of it that includes telephony support and such.

spannernick said:
CE stands for "Compact Edition" I have a HP Jornada 420 that came out in 1999 and has the first version on it,They change it to Windows Mobile when you could use the phone on it..
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Officially, I don't think CE ever stood for anything until relatively recently when MS decided to rebrand the CE 6.0 kernel "Windows Embedded Compact". MS used to claim it stood for various things like "Compact", "Connected", etc. but they pretty much admit it never meant anything in the beginning.
Also, the Jornada 420 is hardly one of the first CE devices. It is a Palm Size PC that runs CE 2.11 with a color screen for crying out loud! It's at least the 3rd or 4th iteration of hardware designed for the OS. Heck, It isn't even the first release of Pocket PC's predecessor platform, Palm Size PC. Windows CE truly started with the original Handheld PC 1.0 platform back in 1996. Pocket PC and then Windows Mobile is really just another evolution of the original, intentionally crippled Handheld PC spinoff platform known as Palm (Size) PC. It was essentially the Smartphone of its day. Like Smartphone, it began as the intentionally crippled platform for weaker hardware while Handheld PC eventually evolved into a higher end, mini notebook replacement OS with support for USB, high resolutions color screens and faster processors. It is Palm Size PC we have to thank for lacking exit buttons, crippled file/save dialogs and the inability to open a second instance of applications on Windows Mobile. In some ways, my CE 1.0 MobilePro 400 is still feels less crippled and more productive than even the current Windows Mobile 6.5.3 devices. Perfect example: you can open multiple copies of Internet Explorer/Word/Excel/whatever, switch between them and open/save files from any location right out of the box. On the CE 2.0 rom, I can save/open anything to a UNC path over my network. Clearly, MS removing more "advanced" features and intentionally crippling the OS is nothing new when it comes to mainstream, consumer targeted CE platforms. :/ Though, Pocket PC at least retained backwards compatability, multitasking and added Office and IE. I guess Windows Phone 7 Series will just finish up their dream of making the most retardified CE OS possible that Pocket PC/PsPC began all those years ago. At least Vista/7 on the desktop lets you turn retard mode off.

RAMMANN said:
actually CE is the main operating system. Windows Mobile is a layer on top of it that includes telephony support and such.
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What's with people and their nebulous definitions of things.
"CE" is the name of the kernel that Pocket PC/Windows Mobile/Windows Phone Series/Zune devices use.
A "kernel" is the heart and soul of an operating system. Around it and its APIs everything else is built.
Windows 7, for example, is built ontop of the Windows NT 6.1 kernel.
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At least Vista/7 on the desktop lets you turn retard mode off.
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What exactly do you mean by "retard mode" in Vista and 7?
P.S.: If you're referring to User Account Control, it's you who's the retard.
; )

Spike15 said:
What's with people and their nebulous definitions of things.
"CE" is the name of the kernel that Pocket PC/Windows Mobile/Windows Phone Series/Zune devices use.
A "kernel" is the heart and soul of an operating system. Around it and its APIs everything else is built.
Windows 7, for example, is built ontop of the Windows NT 6.1 kernel.
What exactly do you mean by "retard mode" in Vista and 7?
P.S.: If you're referring to User Account Control, it's you who's the retard.
; )
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Heh. Nah, I wasn't talking about UAC though I guess you can count that. I was mainly thinking of stuff like the ability to show hidden files, hidden menu bars in Vista, admin settings and various other more advanced features that are hidden by default all throughout every version of desktop Windows but still easily disabled/found if power users need them. The CE platforms never got so lucky. Things just get removed for the hell of it to make room for crap in ROM or when they "confuse the user". It sure would be nice if Pocket IE still let you configure half the things it let you back in 1997... I really don't like this trend of removing and simplifying things just because it is a "Mobile" version.

TFGBD said:
Heh. Nah, I wasn't talking about UAC though I guess you can count that.
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Well UAC has nothing to do with "retard mode", it's actually a very powerful security feature, and turning it off goes against every best practice out-line in the security handbook -- which are written and designed for IT pros.
So unless IT pros are retards...
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I was mainly thinking of stuff like the ability to show hidden files, hidden menu bars in Vista, admin settings and various other more advanced features that are hidden by default all throughout every version of desktop Windows but still easily disabled/found if power users need them. The CE platforms never got so lucky. Things just get removed for the hell of it to make room for crap in ROM or when they "confuse the user". Though, I still think it would be nice if Pocket IE still let you configure half of the things it let you back in 1997... I really don't like this trend of removing and simplifying things just because it is a "Mobile" version.
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Yeah I agree with that design.
I appreciate the need to make things "user-friendly", even if that means jack **** to me.
What I don't appreciate is when companies assume that "user-friendly" and "enthusiast-friendly" are mutually exclusive. You just have to hide the enthusiast/power user/pro features in such a way that they're immediately accessible to their target audiences, without confusing or getting in the way of the average user.
I don't understand why Microsoft -- a company that's become the master of this -- has decided to just totally divorce themselves from it in their up-and-coming mobile platform.
The only thing I can think of is that the WP7S team is a bunch of modern tech populist assholes who can't get their heads close enough to being out of their ass to see anything beyond "iPhone" and "cloud computing".

PC Software –How to Run on Win Mobile?

I was wondering, tht when buying a new smartphone if I go with windows based OS on mobile, will I be able to run any software tht can run on windows based desktop computer? If not, such functionality is expected to come with forthcoming Windows 8 mobile?
PS: I wana run my live stock market terminal on mobile phone.

Since ver 7, the os is no longer called windows mobile; its now called windows phone. but to answer your question, no you can't run desktop applications on windows phone (or windows mobile for that matter) and this is unlikely to change.
That said I'm sure you can find another application to achieve whatever it is that you're after on the marketplace...

:-( my all needs are getting completed with an smartphone, but i guess eventually i will have to buy a laptop as well... just to run my stockmarket software.... Damn and they are telling smartphones (Like SGS2 etc.) are quickly replacing laptops...
PS: Wht is the latest ver. of windows phone called and, what is the windows phone marketplace url (Kind of new to smartphones)

Well for a lot of people smartphones or tablets can replace computers, most people aren't stockbrokers!
The latest version of Windows Phone is 7.5 Mango, which is currently at RTM stage - i.e. released to OEMs pending approval for new devices and upgrades to existing devices.
The Windows Phone Marketplace can only be accessed via the phone or via the Zune desktop software. The Zune software comes highly recommended from me, it's a very, very good media management software and I can't live without the wireless sync function anymore!
You can browse the marketplace through Zune without owning a Windows Phone device.
Perhaps you could let the community know what it is exactly that you need to do and someone might be able to suggest something?
EDIT: As you're new to smartphones, from a usability perspective Windows Phone 7 would be an excellent choice for you - it is simply brilliant to use, the interface is understated and elegant and the lack of pointless graphics makes it both simple and quick. Microsoft have clearly put massive effort into making Windows Phone highly usable and have surpassed pretty much all expectations, especially with the 7.5 update, which brings in a huge amount of functionality. A lot of people try and put Windows Phone down having never used it, because it's one of those things that needs you to spend 10 minutes with it to understand - but once you've spent 9 minutes with it, everything else just seems ridiculously complicated.
olivespin said:
:-( my all needs are getting completed with an smartphone, but i guess eventually i will have to buy a laptop as well... just to run my stockmarket software.... Damn and they are telling smartphones (Like SGS2 etc.) are quickly replacing laptops...
PS: Wht is the latest ver. of windows phone called and, what is the windows phone marketplace url (Kind of new to smartphones)
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Silverlight in Windows
Hi
Silverlight apps are currently available in Windows and I think that the concept being put out there at the moment is that Windows 8 will run the same apps as Windows Mobile 8.
Nobody knows if this will become a reality or not.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking

olivespin said:
I was wondering, tht when buying a new smartphone if I go with windows based OS on mobile, will I be able to run any software tht can run on windows based desktop computer? If not, such functionality is expected to come with forthcoming Windows 8 mobile?
PS: I wana run my live stock market terminal on mobile phone.
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The best thing for you to do would be to find a mobile version of the software you are trying to run. Then get the device that runs that particular software.
The closest you'll come to running your "exact" software on a mobile device is to get a Windows based tablet or laptop. But to run your stock software on a smartphone, you will need the "mobile" version of that software, if it exists.
Also, check to see if your stock-terminal application is web-based. If it is, you may be able to access what you need with ANY smartphone through the smartphone's web browser. That means your "stock terminal" would work on Windows Phone, iPhone, Android, etc.

Windows 8 and what it holds for the future

Hey,
I just installed the Consumer Preview, and I think we can find hints to WP8 in it.
For example, various hubs found on WP are in W8. An interesting one is the Messaging hub, which like on WP allow you to chat with your Facebook and Messenger contacts, I think the next logical step is SMS syncing.
Another thing I noticed is that Zune and Windows Media Player is completely missing. There's a seperate music and video player.
Also, when I plug in my HTC HD7 nothing happens. It doesn't say installing drivers, Phone found, .. nothing.
There are also a lot of mentions of syncing throughout the OS, syncing with other devices and users. I think this will eventually mean that alle info from your Phone can be seamlessly synced to your PC and vice versa, making things a whole lot easier when you buy a new phone. Just plug in, sync and go.
There are tons of similarities too.
Multitasking is much the same, you also get a small preview window of the app.
What did you find?

I pary every day that they change their minds and not release it for laptops or PC's. It's greate for touch screens and pads though but just doesn't feel the same on non touch devices; MS will be making a big mistake if they go through with making people use a mouse and keyboard on theire PC's and non touch screen laptops.

Im using it with a mouse, and it's just fine, I dont find it hard or unnatural to use.

Some ideas are brilliant and very innovative, like metro style switching between apps, screens etc.
But at the same time it's like a double OS what is just nonsense. Two different IE10? Idiotic. No background image under tiles? Tacky.
I think they have to unite it somehow, it's still looks like a half baked beta. I won't install this stuff on my PC.
I seriously have no idea what drives these guys, but it all looks like a half way through.

^^ You really would just be happier in Apple / Linux land.

dtboos said:
^^ You really would just be happier in Apple / Linux land.
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Why?? I'm perfectly happy on Windows 7 64bit!
Super stable, nice looking, great features.
And a great environment for proffessional work, in my case music. Apps I use work great.
As I said, I wish Windows 8 beeing united without loosing current usability and ADDING some great 8's features.
They just want to push some stuff too much.
BTW, I seriously don't like Apple stuff at all.

sinister1 said:
I pary every day that they change their minds and not release it for laptops or PC's. It's greate for touch screens and pads though but just doesn't feel the same on non touch devices; MS will be making a big mistake if they go through with making people use a mouse and keyboard on theire PC's and non touch screen laptops.
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I guess you know that there is a regular view also in W8?

doministry said:
Why?? I'm perfectly happy on Windows 7 64bit!
Super stable, nice looking, great features.
And a great environment for proffessional work, in my case music. Apps I use work great.
As I said, I wish Windows 8 beeing united without loosing current usability and ADDING some great 8's features.
They just want to push some stuff too much.
BTW, I seriously don't like Apple stuff at all.
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they did that because some people would complain about being forced into metro, which isn't the case. But I guess either way they get complaints.

From what I have heard or have been hearing, Windows 8 sounds amazing. can't wait to get it.

badboy70 said:
Another thing I noticed is that Zune and Windows Media Player is completely missing. There's a seperate music and video player.
Also, when I plug in my HTC HD7 nothing happens. It doesn't say installing drivers, Phone found, .. nothing.
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Well Zune was never preinstalled and when I connect my WP7 to a Windows 7 PC without Zune, it doesn't do anything either.
Windows Media Player is still there but it is just the desktop app.

im liking what i see so far with windows 8,
but on aside note,
Mobile World Congress...
no big MS stuff about windows phones

I tried Windows 8. It's not very good at all as a computer OS. I'm a power user, and I was totally lost. I can only imagine how confused your average Joe will be.
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You were lost because you hadn't worked with it. Same as if you picked up an ipad for the 1st time, a phone with a different O/S, ect. It took me about 8 hours to get the gist of the flow. Once i did though, man it's fast. I wish though the ep121 tablet i have had the resolution for snap though. That's a little dissapointing. Other than that, it's fast and smooth and actually now i wish the desktop was gone completely and everything metro.
Also anyone else have any issues with the USA today app? Seems to crash on and off on me. Other than that everything seems very stable and i LOVE the onscreen keyboard. Nothing like the crap that i had to use with Windows 7 on the tablet.

Great news
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I guess you know that there is a regular view also in W8?
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I didnt know this. Thats good to hear!

Just read comprehensive review of current Win8.
Must say: MICROSOFT WAKE UP!
Windows 8 is the most unintuitive crap I've seen.
Layers instead of logic.
Just hope it's just another beta and some sensible people will take care of this idiocy.
As I said before, improvements have to have sense.
Why the f... they even removed the Win key.
And yes, average Joe will have no freaking idea what is this.

Any reason this is not in the Windows 8 section?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1287

doministry said:
Why the f... they even removed the Win key.
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What are you raving about?
The Windows key works fine in my copy of Windows 8.

tai4de2 said:
What are you raving about?
The Windows key works fine in my copy of Windows 8.
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Ah I mean Win icon on screen of course, not the physical keyboard key.

Touch the right side of screen. Win / start key is there. Its not needed on the onscreen keyboard because of this. Please try it out before you makeup stories that aren't true.
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Dont know what the hate is about, its highly intuitive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhgJ4xMyzc0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
He attempts to compare it with WinPhone, but Windows 8 is a entirely different beast. It offers a ton of information with natural movements to get things done.
Thats windows x86 btw.
One thing I'm noticing is a lack of portrait mode.
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