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I've been reading the forum, and based on the information and the tools there I have been able to modify my extended ROM, which is great. Now of course I'd like to modify the main ROM as well, but despite the many hours I've spent searching the forum, I can't find the necessary information to do it. There's always something essential missing, something which probably is obvious to a programmer, but not to a normal user. As I've been able to modify the extended ROM, I guess I should be able to modify the main ROM too. Who can point me in the right direction?
from what i understand it's not even 100% possible with xda1 since people cant seem to make the extracted files back to a nbf file
and there are no tools that i know of that even extract the main rom from a xda2
As I understand it, when you upgrade the operating system, you're actually modifying the ROM. Some people here like to call it to "flash", I think, and there are a lot of messages about it in here. I just haven't found the information necessary to do it. I want to modify the ROM on my XDAII.
no the operating system is the rom which is in a eeprom in the device
when you flash the rom you replace the operating system with the new one
when you say modifying it mean more in the way of exchanging different files inside the rom
but if you just mean flashing the rom with a newer then here is a guide
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/HimalayaRomFlashing
What does EEP stand for? How many ROMs are there?
I've seen a ROM created here for the XDAI, containing more programs than what the devices normally come with. I would like to have a ROM on my XDAII containing the programs I use, so that I don't need to reinstall them every time the device is hard reset. Isn't this possible?
What does EEP stand for?
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huh what does EEP have to do with this ?
suppose it could stand for
Executive Excellence Publishing
or
European Environmental Press
how many roms there are i think there are 1.5 1.6 1.66 and 1.72
about extra programs then they are not! in the rom they are in the extended rom any CAB file you copy to the extented will install after automatic after a hardreset
you should take a look at the romkitchens ( specifically for xda1, but can be made for xda2 as well ).
and mkrom, and the other romtools
EEPROM stands for "electrically erasable programmable read only memory".
this is sort of the predecessor of flash memory.
"electrically erasable programmable read only memory" sounds like a contradiction, but thanks for that, it makes more sense than EEPROM.
What about all of us users who don't have a Unix machine? I suppose we're stuck with the original ROM then, and have to install our programs over and over again for every hard reset. Of course you can put a few of them in the extended ROM, but it becomes full too quickly and you're left with installing the rest of them manually.
well you can upgrade to a newer rom as they come out
like i have 1.66 but if i wanted 1.72 i could upgrade
about contradiction heh yeah suppose so but then if it was 100% always READ ONLY then it would be random was what in it as how the transistors randomly set when it was produced
A newer ROM wouldn't contain the programs I want.
no :/ but it could contain bug fixes for ms and radiostack and such
i suspect that extented rom was made so it would be easier for the phonecompanys' and other 3th party resellers to get programs preinstalled fast without having to mess around too much in the rom
this is at the cost of memory though
but then some programs dident like to be in the rom i believe here i mean if setting files were places in the rom aswell and the program could not write to the setting file
mkrom also works on cygwin under windows.
( now I also wrote this in the wiki page )
Isn't that just for XDA I?
it works for windows ce in general.
that doesn't mean that there is no work involved in getting it to work, but it is possible to make it work for the xda2. I use it to build custom roms for the devices we sell, that is why I wrote it in the first place.
What's cygwin?
How much space is there in the ROM to add extra programs? In the ROM that this forum developed for XDA I they added quite many programs from what I could see.
http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&ie=UTF-8&q=cygwin&btnG=Google-søgning
Thanks for that, Rudegar.
To Itsme: I don't mind the work, but it looks like its written for programmers and that if you're not a fairly skilled programmer, you wouldn't be able to do it.
Hey, I was wondering, is there anyone else who would like to see a GUI Kitchen with support for multiple devices as modules( compatibility packs if you want to call 'em that ), and that would fetch packages from a central repository?
It would allow you to create a new project, choose from several target devices, if it's not on the list it would fetch a list from the server allowing you to download the module, some modules could have a 'supported devices list' on its description files.
The packages would work the same way, fetch the list, download package.
Auto-update for everything including the kitchen itself.
IMHO it's a great idea, there's currently lots of file duplication/scattering, it would also be great because chefs would only need to create packages, base roms, developers would create the device modules, I mean, it's simpler.
Users would have the choice of picking a base rom, selecting the packages from the menu and create their own rom configurations, thousands and thousands of them, no more complaining about softwareXXX being or not included on the final rom and creating a rom with updated software would be as simple as "Update>Packages" "Project>Rebuild".
Even if the final product has a price( :X ) I think it is worth it.
You bet I would.
we're the only ones though
ME 2
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we're the only ones though
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Dnt Forget me...i am trying using command type..but iwished of GUI
although its aawailable by Xpload for BA only..i want for Himalaya
This is a nice ROM tool but if there were only more detailed instructions...
This is a nice ROM tool but if there were only more detailed instructions...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324682
cash365 said:
This is a nice ROM tool but if there were only more detailed instructions...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324682
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Yeah, that's a nice set of tools and batch files.
There's also a multi-device version here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324680
It isn't hard to use, and it's quite complete in terms of functionality, plus, the method he used to make it multi-device is nice, you only need to change one line and it's done, all the parameters for a specific device are on a separate conditional batch file.(tho I tested it and it didn't work, previous CORE kitchens worked nice)
But the ideal would be something like this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304461
To be available to public and have all the functionality of the CORE kitchens.
btw, I don't think this is a noob vs pro issue, the kitchen I try to describe in the 1st post would centralize all packages, and IMHO is something the whole xda-devs needs.
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Apoc said:
Yeah, that's a nice set of tools and batch files.
There's also a multi-device version here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324680
It isn't hard to use, and it's quite complete in terms of functionality, plus, the method he used to make it multi-device is nice, you only need to change one line and it's done, all the parameters for a specific device are on a separate conditional batch file.(tho I tested it and it didn't work, previous CORE kitchens worked nice)
But the ideal would be something like this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=304461
To be available to public and have all the functionality of the CORE kitchens.
btw, I don't think this is a noob vs pro issue, the kitchen I try to describe in the 1st post would centralize all packages, and IMHO is something the whole xda-devs needs.
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It may be multidevice but it doesn't cover the hx4700.
Is there a kitchen for the trusty ipaq?
Dear Sirs and senior members and members:
At the beginning I would like to make it clear why I called the Title like that, not to make me important or to gain more readers, its because I appreciate the great efforts that have been done in this Forum to make it great and to help each other to find new ways to make your work better and better.
My Suggestion this time is to avoid the unnecessary copies of the same Rom build with all the extras or without anything “Full, Lite, Big storage etc…” and I think all of the Rom cookers faced the problem that they cant make a Rom which will make all the members satisfied, and many of them got the problem that as soon as they are finished with there ROMs a new versions appears of the same programs included in there ROMs and that way the cant be called NEW because of some old things, and the most weird thing that the Rom cookers make is to include many programs in the Rom that an be installed separately on the memory card which I can understand at all they work hard for very long time to make a fast and stable Rom as possible and they put all the extras in the Rom which make it heavy without any reason programs like “Winrar, Adobe acrobat reader, Adobe Flash lite, Real Player, etc…” puts many megabytes in the device memory and the Rom.
My SUGGESTION is very simple please use some kind of a program Like PocketPc installer (http://www.pocketpctoolkit.com/WhatIsIt1_PPCInstaller.php) which you make include all what you want of programs in it and port it with the Rom which we can copy to our memory cards to install the chosen programs that any one of us likes on the device memory or the memory card just like some modified copies of Windows XP which asks after the installation which programs to install , Please make a look at this program to get more detailed information about the idea.
Thank you for your kind Patience to read the Long post.
Ahmedkom
The foundation of XDA and its tools is built on free and open software, while windows mobile is not, the installers that are used, the build tools that are used, and the other various tools we use are built on donated time, resources, and a willing to share knowledge. We do not however want to use software that requires us to pay for to package the software that we are trying to give to the community to make better.
This is not an advertising forum, nor is this a place to try to make a false plea to our developers/packagers to buy and use software that you may own and are selling.
While your tool could be of use. If you were to release it free, I could see them using it. As for paying for something so we can give the community free roms doesn't seem very smart.
Thanks,
Andrew
exstatica said:
The foundation of XDA and its tools is built on free and open software, while windows mobile is not, the installers that are used, the build tools that are used, and the other various tools we use are built on donated time, resources, and a willing to share knowledge. We do not however want to use software that requires us to pay for to package the software that we are trying to give to the community to make better.
This is not an advertising forum, nor is this a place to try to make a false plea to our developers/packagers to buy and use software that you may own and are selling.
While your tool could be of use. If you were to release it free, I could see them using it. As for paying for something so we can give the community free roms doesn't seem very smart.
Thanks,
Andrew
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My SUGGESTION is very simple please**(Use some kind of a program Like)** PocketPc installer
Please **(Take a look at this program)** to get more detailed information about **(the idea)**.
I am not and dont have any cnnection to this site or the programm maker to push you to buy anything, and the link that i have gave is just to show you my idea with Pictures and more details .
Thank you for your replay and i would like to know your openion for this idea.
Ahmedkom
Hi ahmedkom,
I totally agree with your idea, rom chefs could make an ultra lite roms as the base rom and including an installer program to run CAB files from memory card. So that everyone could have their custom set of program and setting, and remove/updates could be apply without the process of downloading a new buly rom and take risks of flashing the device every week/few days...
CAB files could do manything from minor settings, registry, file operation to full program installation.
Beside PocketPC Installer, I suggest to use a program called CeleCommand (http://www.yonsm.net/read.php?329) for installer program. Worth try it out coz it can do many tasks..
just my 2 cents.
I totally agree ahmedkom too.
ok, i'm agree with you, but there are differences between integrating the apps and installing them after running the rom, many of apps use windows directory to install some files and that give the OS overload, otherwise if they are already integrated with the rom, they will not overload on the OS.
we have to keep this (lite and full versions) if the user doesn't need some apps integrated on the rom, he can use the lite version then he have to install whatever he wants.
the good thing from cookers is to create lite and full versions with make add ons cabs for the apps were not include on the lite version.
good thread dude for users and cookers .
Although I don't think it's a straight replacement for options, or variations I should say, in a ROM, I do think this looks like a damn useful app.
its a big honor to me to get answers from the seniors and i am very glad for you post its right but i didnt mention the programs that are installed in windows folder i am talking about the programs that we can install in the memory card just like pocket rar ,realplayer, totalcommander,gsfinder,1-calc LITE,tcpmp etc..
hi
good day
my new friend is a developer
he made an app and wants to publish a beta for tests
so is there any idea on how to make a small package for testing like darijoa from badanation.de did it??
http://www.badanation.de/topic.php?t=3966&page=1
P.S: i am not a developer so i'll just deliver data
Thanks in Advance
With bada SDK...
There is an option to make package... so only "Binary" is included instead Source Code.
If no one is faster, I will make an Screenshot... sooon.
Best Regards
What's the problem? You just need to replace the application in the "\App\" folder on his own and edit the "\App\App.cfg". Darijoa installer is just part of the Bada SDK with skillfully written bat-file.
hahahahahaha
Xenon do you expect from me to understand this??
my friend is just a new bada developer who needed some help
he knows C/C++ but didn't study the bada SDK
i didn't believe him when he told me that he wrote an app just 4 days after downloading SDK (thats too fast for me)
anyway i'll tell him what adfree said and what you said too
Thanks for helping guys
XDA rocks
Hi Guys
adfree/Xenon, is there any way to install any app [without having certificate to this application] by Darijoa bat file? If I'm installing original app with cert, for example Voluntas, installation goes well. But I was tryin' something different - I put MyExplorer app in "App" folder, changed strings in config file. When I tried to install this app using this method, my phone says "Error 0108" - no certificate to myExplorer. Is there any way to install ANY application using this method? Is there any option to create certificate to application what I didn't created?
If you don't know what, I wanted to, I thought to create new spoof method for people using JL2 firmware. After this f*****n' Samsung Apps update, only way to run "non-free" games is to reflash their phones [downgrade to JK1 for example]. Not everybody want to do this
Btw, Xenon, good work with sp.so protection
adfree, good job with all U R doing
Best regards,
wxtester
I am sure Adfree has absolutely no interest in supporting a new "****ing" method of spoofing.
Btw, with that **** you are not damaging Samsung, but small developer groups and freelancers like us.
@wxtester
This installation method is only available for applications signed by developers certificate. And so by this way is possible to install only one application. Create a certificate - a task nearly impossible. Possible way to solve - edit apps_сompressed.bin, so I'm hope for success in the holod's QMD packing, this will open a new stage in the creation of custom firmwares.
06/16/2011
The screenshots are not important. This is not a theme!
You can install a theme from here, for example if you like.
The theme it comes with is the:
Go Louncher Classical Theme (The new version of it)
The software installed is also not important, because you can remove it.
Google Market is installed, and you can install what ever you like, just like on your computer.
https://market.android.com
This is the actual Android Froyo operating system for the HTC Kaiser
So, stop asking me for screenshots and software installed, it's not relevant.
And the how to install guide is been posted here
Bug reports are welcome, other then that, I don't wont to hear from you.
Don't post a thank you either, there is a bottom for that, and you can also vote on the poll up there, but install and test it first!
Again Bug reports only, please!
I been working on this for 3 days straight, and figure I'll share what I got.
Everything seems to be working, except the camera is blurry, but that seams to be the norm.
Included is the rom, radio and kernel
ROM: 2.2.1
Kernel: 2.6.25
Radio: KAISER 1.70.19.09
Panel: 2
Key Map: US Normal
Resolution: 240x320
Storage: Nand & Nand
Most everything is installed in userspace and can be uninstalled or upgraded.
Oh got GO Launcher EX installed (Also in user space)
Credits:
I stole ideas from, and used following tools:
Makers of atools
Makers of NBH creator
HTC Flasher
kallt_kaffe
Krazy-Killa
dzo (dzo's posts wore a big help. just wish he would answer his own questions after he found the solution)
n2rjt
and many more.
@todo
Resize NAND partitions to the smaller system size
Original post and download Links are posted on my blog:
http://press.pzzazz.net
Can you write something more about this? Is this your system and kernel(compiled yourself)? Any changes?
MaRekRM said:
Can you write something more about this? Is this your system and kernel(compiled yourself)? Any changes?
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Yeah witch apps are include. Some yours tweaks or etc... ???
MaRekRM said:
Can you write something more about this? Is this your system and kernel(compiled yourself)? Any changes?
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That sounds like a trick question.
Yes, at first I compiled everything my self but then to resolve bugs, I looked at other systems and basically stole stuff from them to fix my bugs. In other words, I can't take all the credit, it was a community effort.
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Yeah witch apps are include. Some yours tweaks or etc... ???
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I removed most everything from the system and installed it in user space. So the system is very lean. You can uninstall what you don't like.
how is the rom？just waiting to see
gruessle ...!! thanks for your efforts in getting this done... I been looking from long time to install Android on my HTC TyTN II. However i was not able to get the proper build...
can you share the screenshots of the build which you provided as well some steps at high level on installing this..
Thanks in advance.
Please, I don't really understand how to go upgrade this. I find it hard to do. Is everything needed packaged in this download, or please can u list things needed to change to android. I'll appreciate your response.
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Please, I don't really understand how to go upgrade this. I find it hard to do. Is everything needed packaged in this download, or please can u list things needed to change to android. I'll appreciate your response.
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here is the howto
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680518
kkp said:
gruessle ...!! thanks for your efforts in getting this done... I been looking from long time to install Android on my HTC TyTN II. However i was not able to get the proper build...
can you share the screenshots of the build which you provided as well some steps at high level on installing this..
Thanks in advance.
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The screenshots are not important.
This is not a theme.
You can install a theme from here, for example if you like:
http://golauncher.goforandroid.com/category/themes/
The theme it comes with is the:
Go Louncher Classical Theme (The new version of it)
The software installed is also not important, because you can remove it.
Google Market is installed, and you can install what ever you like, just like on your computer.
https://market.android.com/
This is the actual android froyo operating system.
Anyone else having trouble getting the kernel to install?
I get to 33% and the phone reboots...
Radio installed fine even though I was already using 1.70.19.09, just to be sure I installed everything in the package.
Installed HardSPL 3.34 and a WinMo 6.1 rom (custom) to see whats wrong. Installed L1q1d's kernel and goes right in like it should.
Checked .NBH with NBHCreator and only found 1 thing wrong: kernel set to Eclair instead of Froyo. Changed to Froyo and saved, attempted reflash and still won't go in...
;(Losted);
I also tried to install this kernel but I can't. Flashing in hardspl after few second give folowing error:
00018003
Os Fail
Update Terminate
UPDATE Fail.
Changing parameters in atools not helping. Every another kernel is flashing without problems so it's not phone fault
Gruessle, thanks for your efforts! I want to try your rom but being a noob waiting for more comprehensive list of known errors before flashing it to my kaiser.
Ok, quick "bug report":
After working with the kernel pack multiple times I have come to the conclusion that there might be a bug in the actual kernel file itself, throwing a code back to HardSPL and RUU (how I install).
I first noticed a problem in that the kernel was originally set up for a Polaris and had no resolution set. The size of the file should be unimportant as Scoot's newer kernel is in the order of 3.2-3.3MB in size (with the RIL patch installed it gets even larger), this one is 3,099KB, and l1q1d's is almost always 3,092KB.
The second issue I noticed is with the Froyo package itself... It's split up into many files (open the package in 7zip and you'll see what I mean). Normally, the packer has the files all listed inside the .tgz file, this one has the files inside many other files.
I have thus not installed the system on either phone because (correct me if I'm wrong), the kernel contains the basic directories for where everything is installed, and if I were to try and install this package on say, l1q1d's kernel, the phone would most likely crash because the files would not be found, including /system.
If ANYONE wants to dig deeper into this problem, feel free to message me. Personally, I think we've about finished getting all we can from the Kaiser, and much respect goes out to those who have done all the work in the past, but there's always that glimmer of hope that someone will find a way to pack this into a working rom installable through RUU or HardSPL.
I have one last thing to say:
Gruessle, please do your homework BEFORE posting things like this. There are people out there who still depend on this phone to operate as it is their only phone. I Personally cannot afford to go spend $100-200 on a replacement phone if this one goes down (thats why I have 2 of them). If you post something that does not work on the platform that you say it will, please correct it or move it to the proper forum.
BTW, I call shenannegans on one of the 5-star votes... just sayin'.
Your kernel have fake ;/ . rom works great ;D
sorry for bad english;p
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Ok, quick "bug report":
After working with the kernel pack multiple times I have come to the conclusion that there might be a bug in the actual kernel file itself, throwing a code back to HardSPL and RUU (how I install).
I first noticed a problem in that the kernel was originally set up for a Polaris and had no resolution set. The size of the file should be unimportant as Scoot's newer kernel is in the order of 3.2-3.3MB in size (with the RIL patch installed it gets even larger), this one is 3,099KB, and l1q1d's is almost always 3,092KB.
The second issue I noticed is with the Froyo package itself... It's split up into many files (open the package in 7zip and you'll see what I mean). Normally, the packer has the files all listed inside the .tgz file, this one has the files inside many other files.
I have thus not installed the system on either phone because (correct me if I'm wrong), the kernel contains the basic directories for where everything is installed, and if I were to try and install this package on say, l1q1d's kernel, the phone would most likely crash because the files would not be found, including /system.
If ANYONE wants to dig deeper into this problem, feel free to message me. Personally, I think we've about finished getting all we can from the Kaiser, and much respect goes out to those who have done all the work in the past, but there's always that glimmer of hope that someone will find a way to pack this into a working rom installable through RUU or HardSPL.
I have one last thing to say:
Gruessle, please do your homework BEFORE posting things like this. There are people out there who still depend on this phone to operate as it is their only phone. I Personally cannot afford to go spend $100-200 on a replacement phone if this one goes down (thats why I have 2 of them). If you post something that does not work on the platform that you say it will, please correct it or move it to the proper forum.
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1) The kernel doesn't care where you place the files. Right now I use a debian system with Ferora and Gentoo in a chroot. Both work fine with the Debian kernel.
In other words, if you have a kernel that works for you then use that it should work with the rest of the installation.
2) I don't get what you mean with files are "split up into many files", I am just guessing but you must be extracting it wrong. Maybe it's a windows thing, I haven't used windows in 15 years so I wouldn't be able to help you with that.
3) I have included everything you need to duplicate what I got, which works for me, and it appears to work for others too. Now i don't use that phone much, and there might be bugs I am unaware of, but don't tell me it doesn't work at all, just because you can't get it to work.
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Gruessle, thanks for your efforts! I want to try your rom but being a noob waiting for more comprehensive list of known errors before flashing it to my kaiser.
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barmalini, it appears that a few people have trouble installing the Kernel, but the ROM seams to work for everybody as far as I can tell.
According to my server records the files have been downloaded over 200 times and I have yet to hear a complain about the ROM.
So I would say try to install the Kernel, but if you can't still use the ROM with a Kernel that works for you.
If you have trouble installing from windows you can also try a live CD from debian or knoppix. I installed everything from a Debian system. (Knoppix is based on Debian)
If you don't know what a live CD is then go here for info:
http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD
PoXFreak said:
Installed HardSPL 3.34 and a WinMo 6.1 rom (custom) to see whats wrong. Installed L1q1d's kernel and goes right in like it should.
Checked .NBH with NBHCreator and only found 1 thing wrong: kernel set to Eclair instead of Froyo. Changed to Froyo and saved, attempted reflash and still won't go in...
;(Losted);
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PoXFreak,
you are not the only one having trouble, installing the ROM it appears.
I am wondering, are you also using Microsoft Windows to install the ROM?
If so can you try again with Linux, because it worked fine for me.
If you don't have Linux you can use a Live CD
Also if you can't get it to work, try the ROM with a Kernel that works for you.
Please report, I will check back.