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AT&T Owners: Ready to Tell AT&T to Kiss Off?

I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?

Hey I feel your pain I am still using the Hermes from 3 years ago. I really want this phone but I can't do Sprint (Not enough custom ROM's etc) and Verizon well they just totally suck!! T-mobile is an option but coverage isn't that great here and there is no 3G and I have heard the sound volume is sucky on that one for some reason.
So I am stuck for now. As far as the whole 6.5 thing it really doesn't matter to me because I would just be using a custom ROM from here anyway but I really have no choice but to wait
While the Leo looks bad as hell I think its the first time I have actually thought hmmm maybe that phone is just too damn big for me lol

They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?

MrDSL said:
Verizon well they just totally suck!! T
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Why do you say that?

californiarailroader said:
Why do you say that?
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Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.

MrDSL said:
Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.
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They used to do those things, that's true, but no more, all their smartphones (and regular phones) come with all features (like GPS, Bluetooth OBEX, etc.) intact and ready for use. They have also released ROM updates for many devices, like the original Touch Pro and Omnia that unlock the GPS on them. They said they'd do it, and they did, I am surprised but pretty happy they have

Thats probably true but at this point its the principle of the matter because I have way too many options in my area. Besides they are also the most expensive.

We've got 5 carriers, AT&T (formerly Edge Wireless here, an AT&T affiliate), Verizon, US Cellular, Metro PCS and as of this summer/fall, T-Mobile, who is just building out in our area. In terms of actual coverage, it goes like this-
1.US Cellular
2.Verizon
3.AT&T
4.Metro PCS
5.T-Mobile (they are just building out, hence the low rating).
Sprint and Nextel have licenses to serve our area as well, but have never built out a network here. Sprint roams on US Cellular, and Nextel phones are just dead paperweights.

californiarailroader said:
They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?
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Oh it's obvious that they don't give a crap about it. My problem is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. "We don't give a crap about Windows Mobile users and we'll release the phones we're going to whenever we darn well please, but we want to be sure that HTC doesn't give people the opportunity to buy it before we make it available."
The fact that they keep the manufacturer from releasing an unlocked version that will work here is criminal. It's almost a cellular monopoly but in the sense that the carriers have gotten together as a team in an effort to remove choice from the consumer. They can claim all they want that you can still buy one from the manufacturer but that's like saying you can only buy a Porsche in the US from a Porsche dealer. If you order one from overseas, not only will you pay significantly more, we're also going to replace the engine with one from a 1987 Ford Escort.
Why can't we just buy the phone we want from whoever we choose and let that be that. I still have to pay for service any way you cut it. They can't be making THAT much money of the device itself anyway!

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Who's with me
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Not me.
I'm cruising along just fine on my Kaiser till AT&T gets the Tilt 2 like they want it.
Everything I've read leads me to believe it's a great device and worth the wait. If I get 2 years out of a Tilt 2 like I have my Tilt 1, it's all good.

I'm with you. Hopefully I'll be saying byebye to AT&T today...Once my TP2 arrives..

I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.

While I'm certainly not enjoying the wait to upgrade my 8525, I don't really see the issue with them waiting for WinMo 6.5. Sucks for me, but then I know the carrier is going to fully support it. Are all the other carriers going to have 6.5 upgrades ready and waiting on Oct 6th?
Also I feel like I'm in the minority, but my experience with AT&T has been great. Their 3G coverage in my area is fantastic. I'm not a big fan of AT&T as a company, but I have a hard time arguing with the service I receive.

My first post.
I've been waiting on ATT for what seems like forever. Think I'm going over to Sprint in a week or two so I can try out both the TP2 and the Hero then decide which one I want. Not to mention the monthly cost will be significantly reduced compared to ATT.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.

jonnyp4l said:
I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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I'm way ahead of you. I left AT&T 3 weeks ago for the TMo TP2.
argoldst said:
I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.
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Let's see, you don't have a TP2, don't even have an HTC phone, and are advocating that all of us also refuse to buy HTC altogether so WTF are you doing here in a forum dedicated primarily to HTC phones? It seems to me that if you really were serious about your little boycott you would put your money where your mouth is and "take your business elsewhere."
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SoapDoctor said:
My first post.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.
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I highly doubt it.

i think the main reason att hasnt released the touch pro 2 is that their network isnt ready to handle all the data the will be running on those devices, they have already alot of activity from the 3gs , also they are waiting to release it with windows 6.5 so that will be a plus because it will be definite that it will be fully supported, just my .02

jonnyp4l said:
I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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Ditto, Verizon (coverage and unlocked GSM sim card), sprint if they have good coverage in your area (4G),

I would have jumped ship if not for the fact that it would cost me a minimum of $30/month more on any other carrier compared to my grandfathered plan.
So in the meantime my Tilt is enough to keep me going, though my patience is very thin at this point. I just want to know a release date (price too would be nice). That would at least make the waiting more bearable knowing when it would end.

Leave AT&T cause they release a phone 2 months after others? Doubly a solid reason.
I like AT&T, I like their prices (I pay $20 for unlim internet, + $70 for 2 phones (700 mins)). Plus their rollover feature is cool, I got like 4.8K minutes accumulated (way too much I know).
Plus their customer service is awesome, they've repeatedly forgiven me $200-$300 on my account when I went way out of limit (about 4 years ago). My friend with Verizon was so jealous.
Just hang tight, AT&T's tilt 2 will be out in Nov '09.

AT&T Announces Aggressive Marketing of Android Devices-No WP7 Love

According to the story in today's NY Times, having lost iPhone exclusivity, AT&T has announced it will be aggressively marketing its Android lineup. Not a word of WP7 from AT&T. I remain dumbstruck that Microsoft made AT&T their "premier launch partner," they couldn't care less about WP7 phones.

here's the link
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/28/technology/28phone.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

it's nothing personal against WP7, they're just going with where they think the money is.
Give it some time, this OS is not going to succeed for probably a few years.

Maybe I do take it too personally I love the OS, I love the Focus, and it seems to me if a company partners up with another company to sell its products, they should do something to sell the products. I was in a AT&T store recently with my college age son to get an iPhone (he has no interest in anything Windows), and just for kicks I asked the head sales engineer about the WP7 phones. He basically told me that they would have to be the last phones in the store for him to sell them. That's quite a partner.

Guess they didnt learn from putting all their eggs in the iphone basket.

efjay said:
Guess they didnt learn from putting all their eggs in the iphone basket.
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what ? att made TONS of easy cash off the iphone. they just have competition in price now. competition is good for everyone.

ohgood said:
what ? att made TONS of easy cash off the iphone. they just have competition in price now. competition is good for everyone.
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And now they suddenly want to be behind android, but Verizon has that crown with their droid campaigns so now they are considered to have the best network AND the best phones. at&t is known as the former exclusive iphone carrier and for (alleged) poor wireless service, not as a great carrier for android phones and it will take time for them to make it as profitable for them as the iphone was. So putting all their eggs in the android basket doesnt seem smart. Nothing says they cant be strong supporters of both android and WP7, which benefits them now and not wait around till Verizon decides (if they ever do) to get behind WP7 in a big way and then at&t is once again just a one-OS carrier.

gmfeld said:
He basically told me that they would have to be the last phones in the store for him to sell them. That's quite a partner.
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just one douche in one store. In the AT&T near me the reps think the phone is great, a few have them and they have told me specifically that they think it is better than android...

I went from Winmo 6.1 to 6.5 and just spent the past ten months on an Android device, albeit a POS SE X10, but still Android.
I am thrilled to be back with WP7.
I think this OS will take off also. It will take time but I'm confident a substantial user base will materialize.
It would behoove MS to release updates on schedule.

I'm sure AT&T has a WP7 strategy also, but just wasn't mentioned in the article.
I hope it's an aggressive one.
For now, their main rival doesn't have any WP7 phones. So now is the best time to hype it up.

Whatever happened to being the "premiere" WP7 carrier?

So, all those WP7, I've been seeing from AT&T, were dreams.

canadariot2312 said:
Whatever happened to being the "premiere" WP7 carrier?
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I don't know where "premier carrier" comes from or means really. id rather the isp's just be big, fat, dumb pipes... and buy the phone from whoever makes it.
really, how do we, consumers benefit from a carrier logo on a phone ?
another cool thing would be phones using all gsm bands instead of one or anothers... maybe someday... maybe

ohgood said:
I don't know where "premier carrier" comes from or means really. id rather the isp's just be big, fat, dumb pipes... and buy the phone from whoever makes it.
really, how do we, consumers benefit from a carrier logo on a phone ?
another cool thing would be phones using all gsm bands instead of one or anothers... maybe someday... maybe
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There was a reason the AT&T Mobility CEO and President Ralph de la Vega was addressing the keynote during WP7 launch.
I thought the reason was that WP7 and Microsoft will be AT&T's safe haven after iPhone users would depart to Verizon. What happened?

lqaddict said:
There was a reason the AT&T Mobility CEO and President Ralph de la Vega was addressing the keynote during WP7 launch.
I thought the reason was that WP7 and Microsoft will be AT&T's safe haven after iPhone users would depart to Verizon. What happened?
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partners don't stay partners for long if there isn't money to be made, and tons of it. att was looking past the iphone exclusivity, and hoping wp7 was going to explode just like iphone did. if it does not, att will push whatever (android, blackberry, a box of crap that is perfumed like honey) it can to get people to sign a contract.
also, i wonder why people are supposed to suddenly drop att (and pay etfees) to go get on contract at another carrier ?
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side note, i went shopping @ att's online chat service for a new phone, and service. the rep wouldn't even get into android, iphone, or wp7 MODELS without pushing for a contract first and foremost. they don't give a DAMN what phone you buy, so long as they can bill you (on contract) for $120 a month per line.

^ sounds about right. Contract first, then they will talk to you about any phone.

Verizon Draws Line In The Sand For Microsoft's WP7

While Verizon has the HTC Trophy as it's one and only Windows Phone, the wireless provider has given Microsoft an ultimatum of sorts that could see the Verizon dropping Windows Phone all together.
In a recent interview with CNET Verizon Wireless's Chief Marketing Officer Marni Walden commented,
"We've communicated to Microsoft that LTE is critical to us. We need to see a timeline that makes sense if we want to continue to represent them."
Microsoft hasn't responded to Walden's comments but has said it would add LTE support to Windows Phone but hasn't addressed the "when" of the subject. Should Microsoft and Verizon part ways, the wireless company will focus it's smartphone line-up on Android devices and the iPhone (which doesn't support LTE).
Verizon is still working with Microsoft on this issue and hopefully common ground can be found to bring the second generation Windows Phones to Verizon. If not, does the success of Windows Phones hinge on a Verizon model or will Microsoft do just fine without?
Source: CNET Via: Winsupersite
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deadwrong03 said:
While Verizon has the HTC Trophy as it's one and only Windows Phone, the wireless provider has given Microsoft an ultimatum of sorts that could see the Verizon dropping Windows Phone all together.
In a recent interview with CNET Verizon Wireless's Chief Marketing Officer Marni Walden commented,
"We've communicated to Microsoft that LTE is critical to us. We need to see a timeline that makes sense if we want to continue to represent them."
Microsoft hasn't responded to Walden's comments but has said it would add LTE support to Windows Phone but hasn't addressed the "when" of the subject. Should Microsoft and Verizon part ways, the wireless company will focus it's smartphone line-up on Android devices and the iPhone (which doesn't support LTE).
Verizon is still working with Microsoft on this issue and hopefully common ground can be found to bring the second generation Windows Phones to Verizon. If not, does the success of Windows Phones hinge on a Verizon model or will Microsoft do just fine without?
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I'd think it's more of a planning prep on V's part. They can't exactly start an ad campaign that states "the most LTE devices" or anything like that if apple and microsoft haven't caught up yet. V is pushing it's LTE big time, and LTE should be pushed. It's not necessary to sell a phone, but every time a standard is adopted and speeds are increased, we all benefit.
Microsoft doesn't really benefit by LTE directly in phone sales. It's just another radio to them, much like Apple. On the other hand, they're in the business of getting more mindshare, and selling more licenses. With those licenses come more vender tie-ins, and that means BIG MONEY.
whatchathink ?

Lol even though they would never draw that line for apple and iPhone...

...not to mention as soon as LTE is finished, there will be 5G or Super-Duper LTE or some new thing...

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Lol even though they would never draw that line for apple and iPhone...
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I was wondering about that too.
Re-reading the quote from Walden, it is a bit ambiguous. Verizon wants to see a roadmap/timeline from Microsoft about LTE support, but they don't mention Apple at all. That could imply that Apple has provided such a roadmap to the carrier, while not releasing it to the public (a somewhat reasonable conclusion, I suppose), or that Versizon believes that Apple represents a large enough revenue stream to overlook the lack of LTE (which WP doesn't quite represent yet).
The question is, why wouldn't Microsoft want to communicate their plans to the carrier, at least to confirm that LTE is coming?

LTE support will require re-speccing CDMA devices for Verizon's network. The SoCs that Microsoft uses in WP7 do not support LTE. They will likely not have LTE support until they have Dual Core CPU [official] support in the OS/Devices.
The next iPhone is almost guaranteed to be LTE, and Apple isn't comparable to Microsoft, because Apple has greater Mindshare and sells way more phones than WP7. The 4S set records on almost every carrier who got it, and sold 4M units in a weekend on Pre-Order. No other phone performs that well.
Trying to call Apple out would not help Verizon, especially with AT&T starting to roll out their LTE network now. By the time the iPhone 5 launches, AT&T can have LTE in enough places that iPhone users wanting an upgrade (and leaving for AT&T) can significantly affect their bottom line. It would be a dumb move.
WP7 is the platform with something to prove, not Apple. iOS matches or exceeds WP7 in every area. Microsoft needs a competitive Advantage, and not getting to LTE before Apple does on Verizon (or even WiMax on Sprint) is not a good strategy, IMO.

calling out only one single os is an equally dumb move imo...
wouldn't want to upset the isheep though
Lte is barely available anywhere anyway.

N8ter said:
LTE support will require re-speccing CDMA devices for Verizon's network. The SoCs that Microsoft uses in WP7 do not support LTE. They will likely not have LTE support until they have Dual Core CPU [official] support in the OS/Devices.
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Doesn't the HTC Thunderbolt use the same SoC used in today's Windows Phones?
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Lol even though they would never draw that line for apple and iPhone...
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Verizon (and everyone else) isn't in the position to dictate anything to Apple. Apple dictates to them. Just look at the Sprint deal.

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calling out only one single os is an equally dumb move imo...
wouldn't want to upset the isheep though
Lte is barely available anywhere anyway.
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You're that clueless about Verizon LTE coverage and the speed at which they're rolling it out?
Apple phone launch = camp outs at the store. WP device launch =?
Verizon is in the business of making money. They will push what sells and make them the most money. Additionally Apple users are more willing to upgrade a phone year over year than WinPhone users. It has nothing to do with iSheep or WinTards.
See what I did there?
As for the Thunderbolt that needs confirmation. (You're right)
It has the Qualcomm MSM8655 Snapdragon. Is that the same one in the new Mango phones. The radio would be totally different, though, so I'm unsure of the technical details beyond that. I think the Thunderbolt is renowned for terrible battery life, though the Photon 4G and Bionic seem to have better battery life on 4G/LTE.
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Dual Core, 4G, LTE all this will do is drain the $h!t out of your battery life. I can't wait to see the iFans faces drop when their battery goes down hill because of LTE.

N8ter said:
You're that clueless about Verizon LTE coverage and the speed at which they're rolling it out?
Apple phone launch = camp outs at the store. WP device launch =?
Verizon is in the business of making money. They will push what sells and make them the most money. Additionally Apple users are more willing to upgrade a phone year over year than WinPhone users. It has nothing to do with iSheep or WinTards.
See what I did there?
As for the Thunderbolt that needs confirmation. (You're right)
It has the Qualcomm MSM8655 Snapdragon. Is that the same one in the new Mango phones. The radio would be totally different, though, so I'm unsure of the technical details beyond that. I think the Thunderbolt is renowned for terrible battery life, though the Photon 4G and Bionic seem to have better battery life on 4G/LTE.
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considering I dont live in the states I can only go with what i read/hear..
So what iPhone sales are higher?
A phone company should know better than to show that blatant of favoritism..
What if wp7 gets huge? It will take a bit but it could happen.
I'm sure they wouldn't forget that

Not many people follow what Verizon says...after all, they're the same guys that rejected the iPhone then kissed Apple's ass to get it.

They're the largest wireless carrier in the USA.
Over 100M people follow what they say.
If WP7 gets huge then they can use their user base to dictate the terms of deals, as Apple has done beautifully.
Sprint isn't exactly the richest carrier, but look how much they were willing to invest just to get the iPhone 4/4S.

Glad to see you're back to your usual masking opinions as facts self, but truth be told, Verizon was last to release a WP7 phone...and they only have one...they are hardly in a position to make demands...they can decide to sell Android and iPhone...Microsoft will still get paid.

Dr.8820 said:
Glad to see you're back to your usual masking opinions as facts self, but truth be told, Verizon was last to release a WP7 phone...and they only have one...they are hardly in a position to make demands...they can decide to sell Android and iPhone...Microsoft will still get paid.
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I'm glad you're not in charge

...don't really know what that has to do with what I posted, but it's true...Microsoft knows "LTE" "4G" and all that is just marketing...everyone using a WP7 phones knows it doesn't need dual core, 4G, or none of that stuff.

Dr.8820 said:
...don't really know what that has to do with what I posted, but it's true...Microsoft knows "LTE" "4G" and all that is just marketing...everyone using a WP7 phones knows it doesn't need dual core, 4G, or none of that stuff.
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Its all just marketing? What makes you say that? It kind of sounds like you've fallen for some "you dont really need this thing we don't support" marketing. WP7 needs features and hardware that can compete with iOS and Android. That's it.

Says you, I've been using this HD7 since December 2010....still works fine and with no lag...only spec sheep care about that...the iPhone 4s sold more than all the others WITHOUT LTE or 4G.

That's exactly my point. The iPhone can afford it. Windows phone can't. That's what happens when you're three years later to market and gave apple a 3 year lead in building out their ecosystem.
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The iPhone didn't start off on fire, it gained a following...case in point: I had Sprint and a TP2, have a friend w/T-Mo and got an HD2 on their 2nd line. I then got my HD7 and they left T-Mo and got an Evo 3-D...they just left Sprint and got a Radar because of my HD7...word of mouth is way better than specs.

Looking for new carrier, any help?

Hey guys. I was with T-mobile for a while but after they started throttling me aI switched to Sprint and got an Evo 3D. I'm sick of sprint now, but NEED Unlimited data because this is what I use for my home internet. Would anyone know of any good, cheap month-to-month GSM carriers that fit this discription? HSPA+ connectivity would be awesome too if that exists.
Can't wait to get back on the Nexus train!
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There are no month-to-month options that give you unlimited data without throttling.
The only possible option is signing contract on Verizon and tricking them into giving you unlimited data. At that point you can just buy cable high speed at home and a month to month cell plan for much less... and you never have to worry about anything.
Get a home ISP. For God's sake people, these wireless plans are not meant to be exploited as home network solutions. Unless you're an extremely light home user that'll only use 10-15gb between both the phone and home, you need to just pay for cable high speed...

Most carriers don't give unlimited data anymore. If that is a priority, you could see if Verizon/AT&T and/or T-Mobile give unlimited data for business users, and see if you could sign up as a business user.
And martonikaj is right, if you use 10s or 100s of GBs per month at home, better to get a landline internet option. That itself will save you money.

And for the few ones that claim to have unlimited data, the data coverage is ****ty. What's the point of having 'unlimited' when you have no data most of the time?

I'm sorry to say but everyone is right. Go buy home internet. Quit being el cheapo.
Its people like you that require cell providers to throttle, remove unlimited plans , and "optimize networks"
If you used the cell phone as designed and as intended as a mobile device not home internet you'd be fine
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nowhereman1223 said:
Quit being el cheapo.
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That's classic.

I already pay for one Internet bill. I'm not paying for two. I do almost everything from my Mobile and I've done it this way for the last 5 years. And I'll continue to do it this way, thank you all very much.
Mobile phone's aren't dumb phones anymore, they are full on computers. Stop acting like it's 1999.
It's my fault that AT&T continues to waste cash on failed mergers or rebranding efforts? That Sprint bet on the wrong wireless standard? That T-Mobile was cheap and didn't want the iPhone when they had multiple chances to grab one and as a direct consequence it stunted their growth and with the continual loss of subscribers will eventually finish their company? It's my fault that companies couldn't look five years down the road and see a hint of the future? It's literally right there in the palm of your hand. It's my fault for signing a contract to use "unlimited" data when it was offered and offered gratefully? I even got a thank you when I re-signed. Twice.
The future is MOBILE, gentlemen. I just embrace it and use my iPhone, Galaxy Nexus, N9 and Lumia 800 the way it was designed and meant to be used as my central communications tool. Voice, text and data all working together without limits.

Quit making excuses for being cheap
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bmstrong said:
I already pay for one Internet bill. I'm not paying for two. I do almost everything from my Mobile and I've done it this way for the last 5 years. And I'll continue to do it this way, thank you all very much.
Mobile phone's aren't dumb phones anymore, they are full on computers. Stop acting like it's 1999.
It's my fault that AT&T continues to waste cash on failed mergers or rebranding efforts? That Sprint bet on the wrong wireless standard? That T-Mobile was cheap and didn't want the iPhone when they had multiple chances to grab one and as a direct consequence it stunted their growth and with the continual loss of subscribers will eventually finish their company? It's my fault that companies couldn't look five years down the road and see a hint of the future? It's literally right there in the palm of your hand. It's my fault for signing a contract to use "unlimited" data when it was offered and offered gratefully? I even got a thank you when I re-signed. Twice.
The future is MOBILE, gentlemen. I just embrace it and use my iPhone, Galaxy Nexus, N9 and Lumia 800 the way it was designed and meant to be used as my central communications tool. Voice, text and data all working together without limits.
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That's cool and all, but these phones aren't meant to be home routers for regular home internet use on multiple computers and devices. People really need to just buy a modem and pay for home internet. Having just a smartphone for their only data may be practical for some people but its nowhere near efficient (cost or hassle wise) for most. As I said earlier, its cheaper to get a prepaid plan for your cell phone and a home cable connection with no data cap than it is to pay Verizon or AT&T monthly for just cell service.
Cell companies don't offer unlimited data anymore because they don't need people taking their phones and burning 150gb a month on 3G/4G. That's just not where the industry is right now. And you're crazy if you think that unlimited data on phones will be coming back any time soon.

To the poster who said "everything should be mobile", I can only say that there's a fixed amount of spectrum that very large and powerful companies and the very large and powerful government in the US is fighting over. There's only so much data that can be transmitted on that spectrum. Therefore you will have limits on mobile. Even with LTE, the engineers are getting very close to maxing out what they can transmit over mobile. Now of course they can get more by sticking a cell on everything, but that is going to take a while.
All in all, if you use more than 10 GB you should use a wireline connection that has the bandwidth capability to feed high bandwidth uses over a long time frame.

Let's help John Legere send a message to Verizon & AT&T

T-Mobile is doing an amazing job trying to give consumers what they deserve. Let's help continue to push AT&T and Verizon to do better... I've signed
http://androidandme.com/2015/04/new...end-a-message-to-verizon-and-att-on-overages/

Umm, no thanks. I am very thankful At&t is not more like Tmobile or I would have spotty, at best, cell service. From a root standpoint with the advent of Lollipop on my Note 4 I have more apps then ever able to be put on the SD card, and file explorers can now write to the external card. Many to most of the bloatware can have data deleted, giving them many times 0 data, and then frozen. Yes I would like root for some other reasons just because I like have full control and I wish At&t didn't lock down the phone, but I want reliable cell and data service more.
As for overages, I just went and re read the agreement just to be sure nothing has changed. They still will throttle you and may be before you have reached your limit. And of course as I mentioned above, does me no good even if truly unlimited unthrottled if I don't have a signal.

2swizzle said:
T-Mobile is doing an amazing job trying to give consumers what that deserve. Let's help continue to push AT&T and Verizon to do better... I've signed
http://androidandme.com/2015/04/new...end-a-message-to-verizon-and-att-on-overages/
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You know, I have been devving for a long time, i have seen many devices come to the consumer locked down. I can count the number of times that ANY change.org or emails to carriers/mfg's has made any type of difference and that number is "0", zilch, zip, nada no way not once. what many people seem to forget is that the percentage of users who are members or devs here at XDA or any other forum is way less than 1% of the total market, more than 99% of users never even know anything at all about root or custom roms so unfortunately signing petitions and emails is nothing more than a futile waste of time.

yeah......... despite these nay sayers here, I'll always hope for a better tomorrow, and ill still vote in my local elections, and ill still take the 30 seconds to sign a change.org petition when it's for something I support.
signed.

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You know, I have been devving for a long time, i have seen many devices come to the consumer locked down. I can count the number of times that ANY change.org or emails to carriers/mfg's has made any type of difference and that number is "0", zilch, zip, nada no way not once. what many people seem to forget is that the percentage of users who are members or devs here at XDA or any other forum is way less than 1% of the total market, more than 99% of users never even know anything at all about root or custom roms so unfortunately signing petitions and emails is nothing more than a futile waste of time.
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I would agree with you but this one is setup by the ceo of T-Mobile. I believe he carriers a little more power and credibility than someone on xda...
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soraxd said:
yeah......... despite these nay sayers here, I'll always hope for a better tomorrow, and ill still vote in my local elections, and ill still take the 30 seconds to sign a change.org petition when it's for something I support.
signed.
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Thanks for the support. I don't usually jump on board with change.org but the ceo of T-Mobile is awesome. Yes T-Mobile coverage can't compare with Verizon or AT&T, but they are trying to change that. Obtaining frequencies is not easy or cheap. T-Mobile morals are correct, and that's why I support them. I personally have Verizon unlimited coverage, but I hate Verizon the company.
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I think I had signed this petition back when it started. I've always thought overages were just fees they charged to give the CEO a nice bonus...

John Legere is one of the most obnoxious people of the current wave of "media hungry" senior executives. Crashing another company's client event? Fighting with Donald Trump on Twitter? He's running a multi-billion dollar corporation not pledging a frat.
I have no interest in aligning with T-Mobile but am grateful that in their quest for market share they've forced the entire industry to lower its profit margin which has benefitted me personally. With discounts I'm paying $90 a month for two phones on AT&T with 7GB for of data which I'm thankful to John for. It doesn't mean I ever want to be part of his circus though or deal with the challenges of all their high frequency spectrum.
I also moved from Cox to U-Verse recently and am saving a fortune on similar service because of my "wireless customer" buy-more-and-save discount from AT&T. Communication and content delivery is a sophisticated game of which wireless is only a small part. Only VZW and AT&T were smart enough to make investments in other related categories like Internet and TV to guarantee them some revenue diversity and to position themselves to capitalize on the IoT of things as it evolves. I wouldn't count AT&T and VZW out; they may not be the low price leaders but they aren't stupid either.

Seems like some people just don't understand.
The only reason ATT and VZ could invest in the internet was because they are the only companies that have access to the utilities that provide them other than the cable companies.
Traditional Telecom companies like ATT and VZ are government assisted monopolies even if someone wanted to invest in the internet they would have to request access to the public utilities that are literally managed by ATT/VZ biased government
Remember they bought out all the baby bells to build their monopoly they are not going to just let anyone walk into their territory.
The only threat to the telecoms is technically Google Fiber but that is only possible due to Google's popularity and economic power. If tmo or any competitor tries to encroach into the telecom giant's territory it would be red tape nightmare. And they will be stuck on some gov. inspector's desk for a decade until they get anywhere.

Even the largest share holder of t mobile thinks it's a failing company, http://www.computerworld.com/articl...stainable-while-legere-calls-it-nonsense.html
Att has won 4 out of 5 jd power awards for customer care in a row, t mobile has no stores to go to and a lack of caring customer care reps. Why back a company who doesn't care about you? They offer better deals? Yeah because they are failing, if I was gonna go out of business as a company id offer you the world to join my company for services too, once I'm back up and running the deals are gone and its business as usual. That's why att and Verizon aren't dropping prices on plans anymore, they saw what t mobile did, reacted and saw t mobile just kept throwing out more crazy deals and just shrugged and went about their own business. T mobile is a time bomb

If course t mobile has stores, I pass one almost every day.

The funny part in all this is that most T-mo subs would never have overages since they dont have any data coverage to go over with..
Hey John, how about less corny "pr stunts" and talking crap and worry about coverage..

thanitos said:
Even the largest share holder of t mobile thinks it's a failing company, http://www.computerworld.com/articl...stainable-while-legere-calls-it-nonsense.html
Att has won 4 out of 5 jd power awards for customer care in a row, t mobile has no stores to go to and a lack of caring customer care reps. Why back a company who doesn't care about you? They offer better deals? Yeah because they are failing, if I was gonna go out of business as a company id offer you the world to join my company for services too, once I'm back up and running the deals are gone and its business as usual. That's why att and Verizon aren't dropping prices on plans anymore, they saw what t mobile did, reacted and saw t mobile just kept throwing out more crazy deals and just shrugged and went about their own business. T mobile is a time bomb
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I don't care if they are a time bomb or not they forced at&t to do some changes and at&t forced verizon, if not for them I would never have the double data plan on my verizon plan.:good::fingers-crossed:

2swizzle said:
T-Mobile is doing an amazing job trying to give consumers what they deserve. Let's help continue to push AT&T and Verizon to do better... I've signed
http://androidandme.com/2015/04/new...end-a-message-to-verizon-and-att-on-overages/
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Blah blah blah, that's all I hear out of T-Mobile but their coverage doesn't improve in my area. I am VERY grateful for the pricing strategies they've introduced which forced ATT/Verizon to follow suit, means cheaper service for me. But the last time I compared ATT to T-Mobile the savings were minimal in exchange for a marked worsening of reception, no thanks.

2swizzle said:
T-Mobile is doing an amazing job trying to give consumers what they deserve. Let's help continue to push AT&T and Verizon to do better... I've signed
http://androidandme.com/2015/04/new...end-a-message-to-verizon-and-att-on-overages/
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John Legere is douche. T-Mobile won't last for too long until someone buys them out or just dies.