Hi All
I did bring this up before and on another thread, but thought it may be worth some collective advice for everyone.
For the TP2....
The specified RAM is 288mb - TOTAL
The specified ROM is 512mb - TOTAL
My TP2 shows only 188mb of RAM in 'total' (not 288) and 277mb of 'total' Storage which is well away from the specified 512mb.
With a working RAM total of just 188mb, with 100+mb in use (for the OS + TFlo - which is a bloody lot!) with no apps running at all, this leaves less than 100mb to actually 'run' apps and gives the user 'out of memory' issues if 2 large apps (like GPS and Photo Gallery are trying to run) - check yours by all means...
My TP2 often shows over 130mb in use (just for the OS and TF) - with no apps running at all - which leaves less that 60mb to run apps!! (There is a big problem with this device globally, or maybe just mine).
Unless i have the wrong end of the stick in my understanding completely (and i might!), this should be what we get - 512mb storage and 288mb RAM (each as totals).
I note that the RAM difference has been mentioned in another thread, and a fix from HTC is available only for the Hong Kong version to date. Someone suggested that it only relates to what is displayed, not what is actually in use, but with the above info, this seems not to be the case as the memory is very much affected.
Can someone shed some more experienced light on this whole memory thing...?
I think that the OS + TFlo using 100mb's or more of available RAM is waaay too high. My old Dopod 838 Pro, with WinMo 6.1 + SPB Mobile Shell 2.1.5 running uses less than 30mb of RAM.
So what the hell is going on here...?
Cheers
Jabberoo
jabberoo said:
Hi All
I did bring this up before and on another thread, but thought it may be worth some collective advice for everyone.
For the TP2....
The specified RAM is 288mb - TOTAL
The specified ROM is 512mb - TOTAL
My TP2 shows only 188mb of RAM in 'total' (not 288) and 277mb of 'total' Storage which is well away from the specified 512mb.
With a working RAM total of just 188mb, with 100+mb in use (for the OS + TFlo - which is a bloody lot!) with no apps running at all, this leaves less than 100mb to actually 'run' apps and gives the user 'out of memory' issues if 2 large apps (like GPS and Photo Gallery are trying to run) - check yours by all means...
My TP2 often shows over 130mb in use (just for the OS and TF) - with no apps running at all - which leaves less that 60mb to run apps!! (There is a big problem with this device globally, or maybe just mine).
Unless i have the wrong end of the stick in my understanding completely (and i might!), this should be what we get - 512mb storage and 288mb RAM (each as totals).
I note that the RAM difference has been mentioned in another thread, and a fix from HTC is available only for the Hong Kong version to date. Someone suggested that it only relates to what is displayed, not what is actually in use, but with the above info, this seems not to be the case as the memory is very much affected.
Can someone shed some more experienced light on this whole memory thing...?
I think that the OS + TFlo using 100mb's or more of available RAM is waaay too high. My old Dopod 838 Pro, with WinMo 6.1 + SPB Mobile Shell 2.1.5 running uses less than 30mb of RAM.
So what the hell is going on here...?
Cheers
Jabberoo
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did you check your device information -> hardware ?
RAM should say 288 and ROM 512, if RAM is 256, upgrade your TP2 ROM
if you're looking the RAM and ROM size in the memory settings, you are looking at the wrong channel mate...
cheers!
Damn, mine says 256. But I have no idea how to upgrade.
I posted a separte thread on this but unfortunately haven't had responses. In Device Information, my ROM version shows as 1.14.161.5 (50207) WWE. I have a Vodafone TP2 which I got on a business contract about 10 days.
Everyone else on this forum that I have seen reports ROM version as 1.19.x.x
Do I have a real old version? Where should I be looking for a ROM update? There's only a couple of hotfixes listed on the HP site, no ROMs, and I can't find anything on the Vodafone site yet.
Any info much appreciated!
HTC put a new ROM on their site just 2 or 3 days ago, which specifically fixes the 288MB RAM size, but they also say you may have to wait until your provider makes this available. The HTC support site also has instructions on how to load the new ROM.
piet8stevens said:
HTC put a new ROM on their site just 2 or 3 days ago, which specifically fixes the 288MB RAM size, but they also say you may have to wait until your provider makes this available. The HTC support site also has instructions on how to load the new ROM.
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HTC put a new ROM on their SEA site, it doesn't appear to be suitable for phones from other regions, let alone phones from the network operators :-(
Gordon
gunggu said:
did you check your device information -> hardware ?
RAM should say 288 and ROM 512, if RAM is 256, upgrade your TP2 ROM
if you're looking the RAM and ROM size in the memory settings, you are looking at the wrong channel mate...
cheers!
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Sorry, what do you mean..?
My device info says RAM size 256mb/should be 288 - so i am down 32mb. In memory it says 188 total (not 256), with 120mb currently in use (no running apps) - this leaves just 60mb or sometimes less, for running any installed apps.
This can't surely be right, can it? - Where is all that RAM gone, what is being used and for what? Explanation please....
Flash size in device info says 512mb, in memory it says 277.72 total - where is the rest of the 512...?
Confused i am.
Why is Winmo + TFlo using over 120mb (no other running apps) on my TP2...?
Why did my old Dopod 838 Pro use way less memory to run WinMo 6.1 + SPB Mobile Shell 2.15 + a Theme over that...?
Can anyone noob it out for me, i just don't get it.
Cheers
Jabberoo
jabberoo said:
Confused i am.
Why is Winmo + TFlo using over 120mb (no other running apps) on my TP2...?
Why did my old Dopod 838 Pro use way less memory to run WinMo 6.1 + SPB Mobile Shell 2.15 + a Theme over that...?
Can anyone noob it out for me, i just don't get it.
Cheers
Jabberoo
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With regard to winmo+tflo using a large amount of ram compared to older devices you need to look at resolution (for the most part). The Dopod is a QVGA device (like my Titan) and renders at 320X240 pixels. The TP2 is a WVGA device, so already needs 4 times the effective memory for rendering the screen (simplified, but generally the case).
I would say turn off TouchFlo and go back to mobile shell if the memory is really running that low. As soon as rom cooking gets in swing people will cut down a lot of the fat that runs under stock roms.
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With regard to winmo+tflo using a large amount of ram compared to older devices you need to look at resolution (for the most part). The Dopod is a QVGA device (like my Titan) and renders at 320X240 pixels. The TP2 is a WVGA device, so already needs 4 times the effective memory for rendering the screen (simplified, but generally the case).
I would say turn off TouchFlo and go back to mobile shell if the memory is really running that low. As soon as rom cooking gets in swing people will cut down a lot of the fat that runs under stock roms.
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Thanx for the advice (screen res makes sense, but geez!)
Out of interest, i turned off TFlo, uses a stable 92mb of RAM for the OS, with TFlo on, after soft reset it starts at 73mb and then climbs to as high as 130mb in use (no running apps).
I ran this issue past HTC here in Oz and they had no answers for the RAM use, apart from saying that using 120 to 130mb (with no apps running) was certainly not correct.
A Mate has a TP2 as well and his does the same (both Singapore models).
Going to try the new SEA upgrade which suits my model, who knows, may be the fix cuz it seems TFlo is perhaps the culprit...??
I still don't get why memory says i have just 188mb of RAM total though and just 277mb of total storage?
Cheers
Jabberoo
jabberoo said:
Thanx for the advice (screen res makes sense, but geez!)
Out of interest, i turned off TFlo, uses a stable 92mb of RAM for the OS, with TFlo on, after soft reset it starts at 73mb and then climbs to as high as 130mb in use (no running apps).
I ran this issue past HTC here in Oz and they had no answers for the RAM use, apart from saying that using 120 to 130mb (with no apps running) was certainly not correct.
A Mate has a TP2 as well and his does the same (both Singapore models).
Going to try the new SEA upgrade which suits my model, who knows, may be the fix cuz it seems TFlo is perhaps the culprit...??
I still don't get why memory says i have just 188mb of RAM total though and just 277mb of total storage?
Cheers
Jabberoo
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http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/17/494177.aspx should explain things pretty well, and if you want even more detail about how the system uses what you can see, check out http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/29/498154.aspx
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I still don't get why memory says i have just 188mb of RAM total though and just 277mb of total storage?
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Got the same issue, which I only just noticed when I saw this thread. Device info only shows 256MB ram and Memory says 188MB.
Not going to bother doing the ROM upgrade just for the RAM. Gonna wait for a decent ROM to come out to justify the effort of installing all the programs etc etc.
nimnox said:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/17/494177.aspx should explain things pretty well, and if you want even more detail about how the system uses what you can see, check out http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/29/498154.aspx
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Thanks for the info nimnox...
I took a look and it did offer some explanation. I think that this HTC device, using around 190 odd megabytes to run is ludirous. The general public spec list for ROM at 512mb (when it really isn't) certainly gives the impression that it has this much available as usable storage is a bit of a fluffy area too.
Essentially, the device offers a little over half of the spec in actual usable storage and about one third in actual usable RAM.
I believe this is shamefully misleading (most folks are not overly tech savvy) as it represents an extreme lack of clarity and understanding.
I did a reflash with the SEA update ROM, the RAM spec increased to 288mb (from the displayed 256), but did little in the way of adding available RAM (still at 188mb). I am hoping it will clear up some of the other problems being reported with this device.
Thanks to all for the advice.
Cheers
Jabberoo
Personally I don't think it's that misleading.
People might not be that tech savvy, but these aren't your average phones.
When you buy a computer with a 250GB hard drive, you don't get upset because part of that is taken up by the OS or the backup/restore partition. Granted, in this case it's proportionately a lot more, but it's also understood that most of your memory needs will be covered by a microSD card. No one advertises just the available memory. It's like hard drives' GB, they measure them as 1000MB and not 1024 as it should be (which means the computer will always detect less). And as for the meomry reserved by the system, we see things like this with Windows Vista and other OS's.
well, just my two cents (I am not saying it's not irritating to have all that memory unavailable, just that it's common practice and therefore not that misleading as many people might be used to it).
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I did a reflash with the SEA update ROM, the RAM spec increased to 288mb (from the displayed 256), but did little in the way of adding available RAM (still at 188mb).
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Wait.. the hotfix worked for you? or are you talking about something else?
agree, its normal in a sort of ways.....the more capability your phone has, the more memory it would use, the more complex an application is, the more ram it will consume.
btw, the 256 false RAM info is just a false info, so even if you upgrade the ROM, it doesnt mean you will get an additional amount of RAM, it only fix the info from 256 to 288 MB.
the manufacturer already states the truth: physical RAM of 288 MB and ROM of 512 MB. thats why i said, you should look into the device info, not the memory settings. In the memory, it will only show total of RAM and ROM available to be used when the device is turned on.
I have the same confusion:
I like to put everything into the phone bringing with me everywhere, including all kind of software and all kind of materials, photo,music, e-book, home video etc.
if the ROM and RAM are not big enough, I will always be worried about them when install software or copy materials. Even it still does not run out off memory, but I do worry about it all the time.
although it can be expanded by TF card, however, many software can't run on TF card and the read/write speed of the TF card is slower than the main memory.
If the main memory is big enough, I can install all of the software into main memory and copy all of the materials into TF card. At that condition, I can easily change TF card to get anymore new contents.
My last device is O2 flame, I do feel comfortable with its big Flash ROM but its RAM still too small and also many other shortcoming.
I ever think of N97 for the built in 32G memory, however, I am used to WM system.
I ever think of samsung i908 for the built in 8G memory, however there is several week points in its specification.
I do not understand why HTC build in so small memory in such a highend model while its competitor,such as Apple,Nokia,Sumsung, are goint toward another way.
more details may refer to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=542322
Whoops, erroneous posting, please ignore!
net_walker said:
I have the same confusion:
I like to put everything into the phone bringing with me everywhere, including all kind of software and all kind of materials, photo,music, e-book, home video etc.
if the ROM and RAM are not big enough, I will always be worried about them when install software or copy materials. Even it still does not run out off memory, but I do worry about it all the time.
although it can be expanded by TF card, however, many software can't run on TF card and the read/write speed of the TF card is slower than the main memory.
If the main memory is big enough, I can install all of the software into main memory and copy all of the materials into TF card. At that condition, I can easily change TF card to get anymore new contents.
My last device is O2 flame, I do feel comfortable with its big Flash ROM but its RAM still too small and also many other shortcoming.
I ever think of N97 for the built in 32G memory, however, I am used to WM system.
I ever think of samsung i908 for the built in 8G memory, however there is several week points in its specification.
I do not understand why HTC build in so small memory in such a highend model while its competitor,such as Apple,Nokia,Sumsung, are goint toward another way.
more details may refer to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=542322
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My friend, the advantage of having a device with a micro sd or mini sd expansion slot is that it enables you to have the amount of storage that you want and even with the possibility to change it on the fly, like for example carrying around two 32Gb memory cards and using them as you like (one for gps and one for music for example). Now tell me how do you do this when the mobile has a built in memory of 8Gb or 32Gb but no storage expansion? It's a matter of choice.
Regarding the execution memory, it's more than enough, apple allows you one application per time, so no example here, nokia you can have multiple application running like in windows mobile, the trick is to make it cleverly, otherwise your mobile will be slow (either nokia or any other mobile suffer from this).
My suggestion:
Get a couple of memory sticks, have your software installed in one of them, then copy it over to the other, this way you have your software everywhere. Then use on memory stick for gps and/or photos and another for music.
It's only a matter of wanting to do things and not waiting for them to happen ;-)
cheers
Hello everyone,
It's been a long time since I didn't come on the forum, and I am interested in buying a replacement for my Hermes, and the Rhodium is the perfect candidate!
As I got interest in it, I just saw that today was released a rom upgrade dealing with the memory issue for EU phones:
http://www.htc.com/fr/SupportViewNews.aspx?dl_id=629&news_id=219
They also say to wait for update from your provider. Hope this can help.
See you after I buy my new toy.
Toni
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Wait.. the hotfix worked for you? or are you talking about something else?
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Hi
Yes, installed fine, but did nothing to aid the working RAM available, just makes the hardware info show 288 instead of 256mb. It is a full ROM replacement, not a hotfix per se.
It did not fix the Keyboard backlight not working properly and a bunch of other things, infact, i can't see that it fixed much at all.
My device right now is running 128.28mb of RAM (in use) with no apps running at all. This leaves a meagre 59.33mb available to actually run my apps (manin memory or sd installed).
This is just ridiculous.....
Often, I have tried in the past to run IGO 8 (Sat Nav) off my sd card and it won't start because of a lack of available RAM to run it.
Soft reset and it will load.
Did i say this is ridiculous..?
Essentially, of the available 288mb of RAM, 100mb disappears straight away doing 'something', a further 188mb is in use presumably with the OS and TFlo, leaving the user with less than a meagre 60mb.
As for it being misleading - i don't recall any advertising advice, anything printed on the box, anything at all alerting me to the fact that the bulk of the RAM will be taken up with 'processes'....
Consider your PC, adding 8gb of RAM and having the OS taking more than 2 thirds of it to just run. Then all your apps not running because of a lack of available RAM. It really doesn't make much sense, does it?
The hope is that Minmo 6.5 will use much less to run, we'll see.....
Cheers
Jabberoo
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My device right now is running 128.28mb of RAM (in use) with no apps running at all. This leaves a meagre 59.33mb available to actually run my apps (manin memory or sd installed). ...
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Huh? Only with 59.33mb available to run your apps? That is very strange. I have 84mb++ when nothing is running, i only get that amount when I have apps like S2U2, secondtoday, and other apps etc running. I even can launch Igo8 with that amount of mem with others apps were running.
I know when i have S2U2 running, it will slowly takes a lots of memory and sometime it even goes to 50mb++, but I used the cleanRAM to clear it up.
In your case... Very strange indeed.
Is it possible? i beieve the personal data partition which is 127 Mb takes place in the physical ram and it causes that we have only 300 and something Mb of ram for users.. since it s mostly taken by android apps users have about 120-150 mb of ram.. even galaxy tab with froyo has 444Mb.. so i thoght that 127 Mb part could maybe be created in sd card instead of ram.. it would be slower of course but with ext4 convertion this slowness could be ignored with the huge amount of free ram in my guess..
so is there a way to do that? or is there any unlogical part? because i really want to know why i cant use my whole ram for user (after switching to touchwiz 4and filling the screens with widgets the phone got really slower with freezes some times.. so it made me think about that)
Sounds like an awesome idea if someone knows how to pull it off
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Is it possible? i beieve the personal data partition which is 127 Mb takes place in the physical ram and it causes that we have only 300 and something Mb of ram for users.. since it s mostly taken by android apps users have about 120-150 mb of ram.. even galaxy tab with froyo has 444Mb.. so i thoght that 127 Mb part could maybe be created in sd card instead of ram.. it would be slower of course but with ext4 convertion this slowness could be ignored with the huge amount of free ram in my guess..
so is there a way to do that? or is there any unlogical part? because i really want to know why i cant use my whole ram for user (after switching to touchwiz 4and filling the screens with widgets the phone got really slower with freezes some times.. so it made me think about that)
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There is no personal data partition in RAM.
What you see in missing RAM is what is reserved for the kernel. He needs RAM to manage the system. And some RAM is reserved for special purpose (by device drivers), like video recording etc. That is why you see only 330 MB as maximum free RAM.
it might not be a perfect idea because the sd card partitition is so slower than RAM .. so moving dbdata (personel data) to there would slow it down ..
but i have just looked at a samsung galaxy tab again and realised it has 489 Mb of user avaiable memory out of 512 MB (with the turkcell turkish rom).. so it made me wonder what that 127 Mb part which exists in galaxy s but does not in galaxy tab is.. because i have read that personal data makes the device make/recieve calls and mesages.. i dont think so because galaxy tab also can do that without sacrofising 160-170 Mb of memory..
thanks for the asnwer.. so what exactly is inside of this missing RAM part? as far as i know to record video it needs the cache memory.. its something like 30 Mb.. thats ok.. and samsung galaxy tab is also missing nearly that amount.. but this 160 Mb is too much for only a kernel i guess? kernels are like 6 mb..
and why galaxy tab does not need to sacrofise such amount of memory? because they share the same ram, CPU and GPU.. so pysically they are same but why are their structures different..
I believe the Tab has actually more physical memory available than the SGS. If I remember correctly it actually has more than 512mb of ram and so the available ram is higher than in the SGS. Its possible they didn't advertise it because it would simply make it look like they made something wrong with the SGS architecture or advertisement.
i never thought it like that.. maybe..
but in every source i can find it says both have 512 Mb of memory.. so if samsung is not lying (i guess if they did someoe would find it out and spread the news) galaxy s has a software disadvantage.. besides we all know some kernels are expanding the memory from a few Mbs to 10Mb.. maybe there is a way to exapnd it even more without harming the working of the phone..
or maybe there is a way to make an entire new software and partitition structure (which reminds me of cyanogen mod, how much memory it gives to the user?) ..
i found this ;
"the samsung rom uses a ram disk for the os. that's not necessary. putting the OS on "disk" will free up a lot of ram. "
so i believe this software related situaton could be fixed (at least some of the ram could be saved) ?
I think there's a reason samsung didn't put the OS on the "disk".
Ram is lots faster than the internal SD card, so I think it would only slow the device down.
My little brother has a HTC Sensation, which has ~750MB of ram, but only 5xx is usable.
So i think it wouldn't be possible to have that much free ram...
i have checked.. in HTCs web page it says HTC Sensation has 768Mb of ram .. and samsung says both galaxy s and galaxy tab have 512 Mb of ram..
i assume everyone is saying the amount of the ram including the shared parts..
and i assume they all create their roms and kernels based on google sources..
so what is the reason of the difference between the ram amounts of galaxy s and galaxy tab? kernel needings can not be so much different.. they have lots of things in common...
i came back to stock rom (odexed) with stock UI and filled the screen with as much as widgets i could... then i tried everything to get it frozen but i couldnt even slow it down...
for the first time i felt like some hardware in my galaxy s was not enough after i installed touchwiz 4 with other sgsII apps (like e-mail, weather widget etc..) .. and i could not believe a UI could cause lagging (even freezing) ..
then i realised that galaxy tab had much more available ram.. i am still kind of obssessed about this and really wonder if this is possible..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8587641&postcount=75
Like I said before, the Tab has actually 640mb of physical ram, more than the 512mb on the SGS. I'm guessing there really is nothing more we can do right now. Read up on the link I posted. If you want you can also read the whole thread that post comes from. There is lots of Dev talk on the subject.
i read all of them.. and it encouraged me to write and e-mail to samsung.. every source i can find says both deviced have 512 mb of ram.. (please nobady say samsung does not have to tell how much of the ram will be available for users, its like announcing an 1ghz cpu with a software which only forces it to work at 800Mhz) ..