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Is it just my imagination?

I got my Touch pro 2 from att about a little over a week ago. Now I must have flashed 10 roms on the phone so far. I used to have the first generation tilt for 2 years. Going from that to the new tilt 2 I am not that impressed with the difference in speed. I am wondering was the first generation tilt fully pimped out really that good for what it was or do we still have a way to go with the tp2 as far as development goes. That aside I feel the speed is only marginally better so far, aside from the hardware differences I am wondering, is this as good as it is going to get? Any other opinions about this? Just wondering what the consensus is.

ucanthang29 said:
I got my Touch pro 2 from att about a little over a week ago. Now I must have flashed 10 roms on the phone so far. I used to have the first generation tilt for 2 years. Going from that to the new tilt 2 I am not that impressed with the difference in speed. I am wondering was the first generation tilt fully pimped out really that good for what it was or do we still have a way to go with the tp2 as far as development goes. That aside I feel the speed is only marginally better so far, aside from the hardware differences I am wondering, is this as good as it is going to get? Any other opinions about this? Just wondering what the consensus is.
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Hello there... I also have the original Tilt (Kaiser) as well as the Tilt 2 now... I can really tell as well as you that the speed is not so much improved from the original at 400Mhz... and now 528 or so... those 100+ Mhz are lost with the new screen resolution and software like TouchFlo 3D... so it's pretty much the same thing when speaking about performance... The only things that I can tell for sure are...:
-> GPS Lock is awesome from 10 sec - 40 Sec... easy... (much better than Tilt 1)
-> Screen is a huge plus... obviously...
-> Tilt function same as Tilt 1... sluggish as hell often.
-> Camera is more or less the same thing... (a bit more resolution on the Tilt 2 but slow and buggy as Tilt 1 in my opinion)
-> Plus on Proximity / G-Sensor...
Also I have to mention something that everybody already knows... We all know that "in the World of PDA's the Iphone is just a toy" but I have to say that the touch sensibility / quality is much, much better on the Toy (Iphone 3G/3GS/Ipod Touch) than any HTC or whatever brand PDA including the HTC's Touch Pro 2 of course... I was hopping to finally get a much better Touch Screen on the Tilt 2 and I was disappointed as usual. The question stands... when are we going to get an Iphone kind of touch screen on our PDA's...?
I can continue and post a complete review... lol... but that's not the idea...
Now... what I find strange that nobody seems to realize is that there is no support for Flash on the new Tilt2 (with Opera)... I already tried to install the Juggalo_X Official Flash Lite 3.1 CE-OS 20757.cab plus replaced the Opera browser with other versions and there is no way I can get Flash working on the Tilt 2. Am I the only one that wants or would like to have Flash working? This was done in 2 minutes on the Tilt 1... and works great on Tilt 1... any ideas?

Well I am glad someone responded and shared my sentiment. It is a little bit of a let down so far with the tilt 2. The one issue I now am pending is do I return my phone before the 30 days and go back to the tilt and hold out for something down the pike for the holidays or get something to hold me over till then and get the leo whenever it makes its way down here. Samsung Omnia 2 will be arriving in multiple carriers soon I think as well. You get an 800 mhz processor with that and it def seems sleeker. Not sure what to do at this point. Unless there is an explosion of really quick and eye catching roms that maximize the performance of this device I dont think I will keep it past the 30 days.

Damn
I have a day one Tilt. I had about twelve roms on it ,including TPC Titanium Ultimate 23053. That was the fastest rom I ever had on my Tilt. The stock ATT ROM on my Tilt 2 murdered it. A co-worker at work has a 3GS and tried out my phone and was very impressed with the Touch screen. Apparently, as was the case with my original tilt, each batch has subtle differences. Even Cnet was impressed with it. Newtek, people realize. They just use skyfire or internet explorer mobile. There is a workaround for Opera, but it's hit or miss like the original fix.

If I am not mistaken, didn't the tilt 1 have only 64 megabytes of ram. For me, the hugest difference between my mogul and my previous phone, the Touch pro, was the HUGE gap in ram that I gained, ALONG with the drastically better resolution. Those two alone made the upgrade worth it by far. On my mogul, I would always have to fight for roms that give me 50% free ram at boot and could rarely multi-task. I get my Touch Pro 2 on monday. I don't expect it to be much different from my Touch Pro because it technically has the same guts. I will be looking foreward to the nice big screen though.

newtek1 said:
Also I have to mention something that everybody already knows... We all know that "in the World of PDA's the Iphone is just a toy" but I have to say that the touch sensibility / quality is much, much better on the Toy (Iphone 3G/3GS/Ipod Touch) than any HTC or whatever brand PDA including the HTC's Touch Pro 2 of course... I was hopping to finally get a much better Touch Screen on the Tilt 2 and I was disappointed as usual. The question stands... when are we going to get an Iphone kind of touch screen on our PDA's...?
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As soon as the HTC Touch HD2 is available. It's the first HTC device that contains a capacitive touch screen like the "toy" and the cpu has twice the speed as well.
André

well
i think kaiser is a real good cellphone ..but tp2 is better ...

I loved my original Tilt, but after getting my Tilt 2 there is no going back.
For me:
1. The screen is SOO much nicer and bigger..
2. It much more responsive the gestures and finger friendly.
3. It not instant but is noticeably faster than the Kaiser overall.
4. My experience with Opera is nicer and faster.
5. My GPS lock is MUCH quicker.
6. It retrieves my e-mail faster.
I for one am happy.

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Now... what I find strange that nobody seems to realize is that there is no support for Flash on the new Tilt2 (with Opera)... I already tried to install the Juggalo_X Official Flash Lite 3.1 CE-OS 20757.cab plus replaced the Opera browser with other versions and there is no way I can get Flash working on the Tilt 2. Am I the only one that wants or would like to have Flash working? This was done in 2 minutes on the Tilt 1... and works great on Tilt 1... any ideas?
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Skyfire's flash built in works great.

newtek1 said:
Also I have to mention something that everybody already knows... We all know that "in the World of PDA's the Iphone is just a toy" but I have to say that the touch sensibility / quality is much, much better on the Toy (Iphone 3G/3GS/Ipod Touch) than any HTC or whatever brand PDA including the HTC's Touch Pro 2 of course... I was hopping to finally get a much better Touch Screen on the Tilt 2 and I was disappointed as usual. The question stands... when are we going to get an Iphone kind of touch screen on our PDA's...?
I can continue and post a complete review... lol... but that's not the idea...
Now... what I find strange that nobody seems to realize is that there is no support for Flash on the new Tilt2 (with Opera)... I already tried to install the Juggalo_X Official Flash Lite 3.1 CE-OS 20757.cab plus replaced the Opera browser with other versions and there is no way I can get Flash working on the Tilt 2. Am I the only one that wants or would like to have Flash working? This was done in 2 minutes on the Tilt 1... and works great on Tilt 1... any ideas?
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If you prefer the way touch works in iPhone then you have to wait for HTC Leo which is also based on capactive screen. TP2 and others are all based in resistive screen.
As for Flash Lite 3.1, it comes with IE on TP2. Anyway, Adobe will make available the full Flash 10.1 player for WM phone. Public beta before end of the year.

att tilt 2 opera flash problem
kierandill said:
Skyfire's flash built in works great.
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i have the same problem at first when i got the phone it worked in opera but when i did a clear storage aka hard reset it stopped working. i called att and they called htc both of them had no clue that that would happen if you do a hard reset. so they sent me another phone i got it yesterday and set the phone up and it still didnt work. well they sent me a refurbed phone. so now today i have two tilt 2's that wont work right i have another one coming it friday and it is supposed to be brand new. i have tried every flash lite on the web and opera and it doesnt work. they are doing some thing to the phone. htc says that it is supposed to be on the phone but it looks like to me they set it in the phone as a third party software and if you reset the phone you lose it and after you can find flash lite and install it it still doesnt work in opera and p ie doesnt work as well after either. so they are about to lose alot of money becuase its supposed to work and it doesnt. but if anyone out there knows how to make it work with opera and tilt 2 windows mobile 6.5 email me asap at [email protected]

twilite318 said:
i have the same problem at first when i got the phone it worked in opera but when i did a clear storage aka hard reset it stopped working. i called att and they called htc both of them had no clue that that would happen if you do a hard reset. so they sent me another phone i got it yesterday and set the phone up and it still didnt work. well they sent me a refurbed phone. so now today i have two tilt 2's that wont work right i have another one coming it friday and it is supposed to be brand new. i have tried every flash lite on the web and opera and it doesnt work. they are doing some thing to the phone. htc says that it is supposed to be on the phone but it looks like to me they set it in the phone as a third party software and if you reset the phone you lose it and after you can find flash lite and install it it still doesnt work in opera and p ie doesnt work as well after either. so they are about to lose alot of money becuase its supposed to work and it doesnt. but if anyone out there knows how to make it work with opera and tilt 2 windows mobile 6.5 email me asap at [email protected]
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Dude?!! Did you even read this thread. Opera does not do flash out the box!!! There is nothing wrong with any of those phones. Use Skyfire! There is a hack someone created to do flash on Opera. It's called Opera flash fix. Stop wasting your time and HTC and ATT's time with this issue. Adobe is supposed to make Flash 10 compatible with Windows Mobile later this year.

HTC Touch HD to HTC Desire upgrade worth it?

Hi,
HTC Touch HD to HTC Desire upgrade worth it?
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what do you guys think?
jazz

Perso I got a Touch HD and I'm waiting for my Desire.
So, of course, I think it's a good idea buddy ;-)

I’m one of the many long faces, today i didn’t receive my desire
The HD is not bad device but is little bit sloWwwwwWWw
Yes I’m changing it for HTC Desire.

Yea I have ordered a desire, coming from a HD. HD is a beautiful device, but lags quite a bit. Only way to use it smoothly is running wm6.1 with m2.1, which just sucks anway lol.
If only a new version of the hd came out with snapdragon, android etc. Would be nice. Still feel the HD is one of the sexiest devices....

OnlinePredator said:
Yea I have ordered a desire, coming from a HD. HD is a beautiful device, but lags quite a bit. Only way to use it smoothly is running wm6.1 with m2.1, which just sucks anway lol.
If only a new version of the hd came out with snapdragon, android etc. Would be nice. Still feel the HD is one of the sexiest devices....
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That's a HD2 more than a HD.

I had my HD for around a year, it died on me due to constantly flashing, hard resets and WinMo in general.
I would be going towards WinMo ever again ... unless WP7 is leagues ahead and even then I prefer the Android freel (I own a Zune HD).
I think the Desire is going to be miles better in so many ways. Such as:
REAL FLIPPING KEYS! I hated the fact the HD didn't "catch" my touches sometimes.
Better camera, the HD camera was slow and a pain.
Android > WM 6 or 6.5
Faster ... that's a given ...
Sense; the real Sense UI!
That's just a summary list off the top of my head.

Same here, i'm moving from Touch HD to Desire and can't wait for it.
Even thou last sense ui version extracted from touch pro 2 is smooth and light, on touch hd animations and the overall usage of the phone is still a bit slow for my tastes.

I sold my HTC Touch HD few weeks ago because this phone, now I use one old Nokia E51 and I'm waiting HTC Desire to become available in on-line markets I have pre-ordered it about a 2-3 weeks ago,
I think that change is worthed:
Faster device,
As beautiful as HD,
Android is better,
Better screen,
Hardware buttons (this is better for me).

Personally I would move from any Windows Mobile device, Android is far superior in every way. Put it this way, I have a Hero and I am upgrading to a Desire.......

[Q] Touch vs Touch Pro - which to get

Hi all,
I have Palm Treo 700p's and want to update a bit without losing my fair and flex
family plan with Sprint; unfortunately Spring says I can't upgrade to any of the
phones that natively run Android,
I learned about flashing HTC phones running WM and have been trying to learn.
Trying to decide between the Touch or Touch Pro which seem to be the newest
HTC phones I can use.
It appears that the Touch had the best support but the developers have moved
on and the Touch Pro may now be getting more support; do I read this correctly?
Which would you recommend, Touch or Touch Pro, or is there another phone I
should check with Sprint for use?
I welcome your input
Thanks
FS

You're going to be very disappointed if you expect either of these phones to run Android natively well.
This port isn't nearly done. Perhaps the only phone (to my knowledge) that could be considered complete is the HTC Vogue - which is ironically the original Touch you are probably speaking of.
The TouchPro IMHO is a better phone (the keyboard is fantastic - only better is on the TP2 ) but does not run Android very well. Android is just a plaything, for testing and for fun on most WinCE devices.
To sum up - the Vogue & the HD2 have the most complete port of Android, with the Vogue probably being considered "completely finished" (full NAND), however... that hardware is old. HD2 is very promising, they have a few little bugs to squash and then NAND... But no HD2 love for Sprint.
Not sure how good of an Android experience it is on the Vogue. Won't ever be that fantastic on the TP or TP2 tho.... Old hardware there as well my friend

I was in the same boat. have a great (cheap) old data plan that I was not willing to give up.
I went with a touch diamond. My previous phone was a vogue.
I can say that the diamond is a far better phone than the vogue. Better screen, more responsive touchscreen, better video, accelerometer, better camera... but the Vogue probably does better with Android since it can run Android from Nand instead of the storage (SD) card.
Android is fun on the Diamond, but its pretty crippled. No camera. No speakerphone for things like GPS. Poor battery life. Too slow for any flash apps to run fluidly... Basically android on the Diamond feels more like an emulation- because that is all it is.
That said, its fun to be able to play around with android, and WinMo is not so bad for a dead OS. There are some decent ROMs and plenty of freeware still floating around. And the Diamond makes for a nice phone on terms of small size, GPS, good speakerphone, WIFI and even WIFI sharing with the right ROM.

tk76 said:
I can say that the diamond is a far better phone than the vogue. Better screen, more responsive touchscreen, better video, accelerometer, better camera... but the Vogue probably does better with Android since it can run Android from Nand instead of the storage (SD) card.
Android is fun on the Diamond, but its pretty crippled. No camera. No speakerphone for things like GPS. Poor battery life. Too slow for any flash apps to run fluidly... Basically android on the Diamond feels more like an emulation- because that is all it is.
That said, its fun to be able to play around with android, and WinMo is not so bad for a dead OS. There are some decent ROMs and plenty of freeware still floating around. And the Diamond makes for a nice phone on terms of small size, GPS, good speakerphone, WIFI and even WIFI sharing with the right ROM.
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Just to set the record straight, this project is running natively on the hardware - it's not a virtual machine, and it is certainly not being emulated in any way shape or form...
I could see how you would think that, because of all the broken/not working stuff... Well we just have to reverse engineer WinMo libs, dlls, etc and then write our own drivers basically for the different pieces of hardware.
Hence the reason new kernels come out so frequently - there's a lot of work that needs to be done on that kernel to get everything working the way it should. Devs are making some good progress lately, hopefully DIAM/RAPH will have NAND soon. I heard Neopeek was working on NAND back in August on his DIAM... haven't heard much about it since unfortunately. However, RHOD's have a partial NAND, and with the head of steam we've got going now, I'm pretty confident soon we will be up to the level of the Vogue - if not beyond it. However, the processor/RAM specs are pretty paltry compared to most native Android devices.
Sorry for the damned long post. One last question, your speakerphone doesn't work in GPS? Hrm. It should. Have you tried the newest kernels...? The autobuild service is down, but F22's been kindly building them for us...

why not just get a NEWER phone other then one that was released 2-4 years ago?

Cause after having invested SO MUCH time into running android on the phone, it's impossible to give up.. And having full control over hardware compensates for the hardware being ancient

Aaron McCarthy said:
why not just get a NEWER phone other then one that was released 2-4 years ago?
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Because moneys doesn't grow on the trees..

HELICOPTER88 said:
Because moneys doesn't grow on the trees..
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Exactly! Or I would have had a nexus 1 a long time ago... ;D

e334 said:
Exactly! Or I would have had a nexus 1 a long time ago... ;D
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and I would have had a Desire...

Worth Buying?

Hello good people,
First of all, Merry Christmas,
So I'm currently looking to buy a new phone. My current phone is a i900 Omnia which is great but I really like the HD2 and DHD. I probably won't buy a new phone for a year or two so would like something which will last.
Is there any people here that had/have a HD2 and upgraded to DHD? Was it worth it? The DHD is about $250 more then HD2 here and I'm wondering if I should get it or not. I like the tweak ability of the HD2 but have never used it so I don't know how it feels whereas I tried out DHD and was very impressed. Even if I did get the HD2 I would still use Android and WinMo for GPS, unless there's something as good as iGO8 on Andoid.
Also I read some people have issues recording in 720p, freezing while recording. Is there a workaround with this issue?
I had only a little play with Android so I'm new to all this root etc...
Thank you, have a nice day

Currently, android on HD2 is not so good as DHD, and I'm sure it's not going to, so pick up your choice between winmo or android.
I myself moved from HD2 to DHD, for finger friendly UI and newly developed apps.
Another good thing is android is both dev and user friendly, no more registry tweaks or volidate cleaning! Apps gone as you want it to, also easy to get back from market.

It is not a bad phone but the battery life sux big time. You need to carry spare battery with you.
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twosix said:
It is not a bad phone but the battery life sux big time. You need to carry spare battery with you.
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk
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I take issue with that statement, battery life on my DHD is typically around 20+ hrs. I use my device constantly with no problem about losing power.
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The battery life is ok for a phone with big display
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Thanks for replies people,
Is the touch screen much different from the HD2, as far as the sensitivity and such? When I tried the DHD I went into the messaging and tested out typing and it was just such a breeze, atm it's always a hustle without a stylus.
I'm not too worried about battery life, I won't be watching movies on the go, maybe just some gaming, web browsing and mp3 playing.
I just want a device that makes my life easier, I read that WinMo on HD2 needs ALOT of tweaks and registry changes to get running how it should be and while I am a computer whiz and love messing around with everything, I think now I just want something that works mint out of the box with great potential if I decide to try other stuff. Also apparently the SuperRAM Android builds on HD2 runs extremely well.
Are there any other good devices with 4.3" screen and 1Ghz CPU? I tried the Galaxy S but didn't like the build quality and typing seemed crap compared to DHD.
Is the DHD what I'm looking for?

Did you say Stylus?? hahahaha.. havent heard that word in a while... plus the stylus doesnt usually work on a capcitive screen..
In respect of HD2.. rightly said.. you need to do a lot of twearks,, but once done you are good to go.. or you find a good custom ROM and you are all set... With Sashmi you can install all your tweaks and the apps automatically when you flash a new ROM.. PLUS to Root (read HSPL) a WinMo phone is just too easy and straightfwd...
While going thru the rooting for DHD, goodness... i got confused.. so many times
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Thanks for replies people,
Is the touch screen much different from the HD2, as far as the sensitivity and such? When I tried the DHD I went into the messaging and tested out typing and it was just such a breeze, atm it's always a hustle without a stylus.
I'm not too worried about battery life, I won't be watching movies on the go, maybe just some gaming, web browsing and mp3 playing.
I just want a device that makes my life easier, I read that WinMo on HD2 needs ALOT of tweaks and registry changes to get running how it should be and while I am a computer whiz and love messing around with everything, I think now I just want something that works mint out of the box with great potential if I decide to try other stuff. Also apparently the SuperRAM Android builds on HD2 runs extremely well.
Are there any other good devices with 4.3" screen and 1Ghz CPU? I tried the Galaxy S but didn't like the build quality and typing seemed crap compared to DHD.
Is the DHD what I'm looking for?
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I just upgraded to dhd from hd2 last week. I had been running mdj's dhd roms for more than a month....so the upgrade was not revolutionary. It was not a necessary upgrade except that I was flashing new roms every other day....
The pros of dhd compared to hd2
Slightly better screen...colors and sharpness
Better screen sensitivity
Better battery
Maybe a bit faster and more stable??
Better cam & video
But external speaker is very soft.
if I had known...I prob would not upgrade. Now my son is running mdj gingerbread on the hd2...lots of potential...
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Yes Stylus!! LOL, Omnia has a resistive touchscreen so a stylus makes things easier. Yeah I've been doing alot of reading for HD2 and now how to flash, and I agree that it's much less confusing then rooting the DHD. The initial shock of reading how to root was overwhelming haha!
I think my only best bet now is to go and try a HD2 in a shop, but I must wait till the 5th for shops to open. If I can save 200bux for near same experience then I'm all for it. I'm a student and don't have cash just lying around lol, I mean the DHD costs more then my car!! (Had my 180sx stolen from where I study and needed something which nobody would bother stealing...POS '91 Ford Festiva)
@genting1 Will you be looking to go back to a HD2? Are you now regretting buying? Is the DHD enough?

IN that case.. an HD2 it is for you.. thats the phone I have had the longest
ErOR22 said:
Yes Stylus!! LOL, Omnia has a resistive touchscreen so a stylus makes things easier. Yeah I've been doing alot of reading for HD2 and now how to flash, and I agree that it's much less confusing then rooting the DHD. The initial shock of reading how to root was overwhelming haha!
I think my only best bet now is to go and try a HD2 in a shop, but I must wait till the 5th for shops to open. If I can save 200bux for near same experience then I'm all for it. I'm a student and don't have cash just lying around lol, I mean the DHD costs more then my car!! (Had my 180sx stolen from where I study and needed something which nobody would bother stealing...POS '91 Ford Festiva)
@genting1 Will you be looking to go back to a HD2? Are you now regretting buying? Is the DHD enough?
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Not regret...just that it did not have the WOW factor....as the hd2 and mdj did a fantastic job.
But I do miss my garmin gps on hd2 winmo
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Dude if ur a Android fan then buy a DHD
Yes HD2 is good but its good for moding, Android on it sometimes gets stuck n then u have to put a new build on it
I had hd2 for a long time n its the best phone I had
Learnt a lot about moding on HD2
Just got my DHD 2 weeks ago n no problems so far
HTC did an OTA update that fixed all the issues
Now DHD is the best phone as far as I no
Wait for few more days get some more money
Ask few of ur friends for some maybe they can help u out with ur money problem
But don't buy HD2 if ur gonna use Android for every day use
Hope this helps

To my fellow student...
I know what it's like, the ability and situation to spend money on any device you wish...an upgrade is however, necessary. Your old phone seems quite old, judging by its manufacture date and stylus interactions. What you have to remember, as a student as well as a person, is what device will serve your needs more? Do you want a more multimedia-oriented phone or a business phone? What will consume less time and work out of the box? Right now, it is a very critical time for me. I have seven exams in January alone. If you are in a situation even a fraction of what i'm in....well you get the point. I previously owned the HD2 for the best of a year before "upgrading" to a Desire HD. I would say that Windows Mobile, although an extremely flexible OS that allows for many tweaks and customisations, is an extremely old and "outdated" OS...it requires a dedicated owner and a lot of time to get it the way YOU want it. Also, you will get into a habit of regularly flashing custom roms and trying out another Android build etc. I believe that it is a phone for people who wish to experiment and realise the potential of a device.
On the other hand, you have a Desire HD. I would see it as an entertainment class phone. It has the same size screen as my old HD2, but more vibrant colours. The speakers are low and softer in volume, although who ever uses phone speakers to listen to music? As students and on the train and in lessons, we use our phones to listen to OUR choice of music in privacy and as a form of time-passing and relaxation. The Desire HD is a valuable music player, as it reproduces sounds far better than my HD2, thanks to SRS and Dolby sound effect algorithms. It is quite adept at playing multimedia, and has 720p capture AND playback abilites. There is also an 8mp camera sensor, and nice applications.
Personally, I believe a Desire HD will be more suited to you. It is a newer model with more powerful/updated hardware. From what I assume, if you were to purchase a HD2, primarily you would use it for Android on a daily basis and GPS navigation within Windows? If that is so, i'd suggest going for a Desire HD. I have one, and it is flawless. Android on the HD2 will never be on the level of a Desire HD. It natively runs the OS, and the device is fully stable. Booting into Android on a HD2 and back and forth to Windows will take at least a minute either way. It's up to you in the end, but I advise you go for a Desire HD. Although it's more expensive, it's all the more appealing and filling. Thus you will have the latest device, best hardware, a smooth OS experiance and the ability to download programs from the Market at the swipe of a finger. As a side note, if you want another device recommendation, it would be a HD7. Rumours have it that it is selling for £414.00 on Amazon and less on Ebay! In the end, the choice falls to you. I hope i've clarified the situation for you
(And in case you are wondering, no I don't regret getting a Desire HD. The experiance, smoothness and perfection alone are enough to make me happy and show off my device)

I won't even look at WP7 until it matures more and see how it turns out, seems too limited too me and I don't think I will be happy with it.
I'm not a fanboy of either OS but I do feel WinMo is getting old and customizing is essential to get the most out of it. I haven't had too much interest in Android until recently when I was researching more about it and it has really grown on me.
I've been keen for a HD2 for months and months simply to try Android without completely moving to a full Android device but that was before I knew more about Android and it seems like it's a great OS. Definitely "future proof" where developers will spend time on it so new software will always be available, unlike WinMo.
Better hardware is a lot what I've been thinking about, so why not right, it would be time for once to own the best right NOW.
But anyway, I think I've been convinced and I'm gona break my own "rule" ($400 max for a phone, in the past anyway lol) and thank you all for your time to help me out, I look forward to owning a Desire HD
So first thing I should do with the phone is get S-OFF and flash Buzz 1.0.6 kernel and then update to latest version? Or get S-OFF, update and then change kernel?

I'd suggest S-off, then flashing Android Revolution HD (either latest one for android 2.2.1) or Android Revolution 1.9.3 for android 2.2...real difference is slightly faster IO speeds..but with latest rom you can't flash a custom kernel...yet! You can also try Leedroid, and try out kamma's kernel, although I have gps problems with this combination. Hope I helped!

Desire HD ->Sensation/SGII

I'm concerned... My DHD is a super smartphone, but after all it's just a device that is getting "old".
I can't really say what will my next phone be. Sensation? GalaxySII?
The Sensation has good specs(although I played for a whole day with one, and it didn't seemed so fast), but lacks the beauty of the DHD.
SGS2 definitely has power on his side, and a amazing screen. But again, it's plastic body is hideos and overall seems like a larger Iphone.
So please tell me... what should I be looking at? I don't dig Sony Ericsson crapphones, nor other semimanufacturers like Motorola, LG, Huaweii or God knows what.

I guess an important question is, what do you need it for? That should inform your decision. (For me, I've never really seen the point in a dual-core phone, as I've never played a game on a phone and never will.)

Sensation and SGII getting old too - the next generation was in many previews, so wait for the future updates with better sound and displays and so on... If you want an actual smartphone, you have to buy one every two month. Dual and Quad Core are in all minds. They give you the chance for recording FULL HD Videos, navigate faster than before, play games with actual upcoming graphicchips...you must know, what you prefer. At this time the DHD has more abilities than the new HTC devices, because their resolutions are not supported by all apps. Also there are more specific roms and themes.

What do I need it for? What do you need it for? I use it at it's full potential, with games, various aps, recording, browsing, teethering etc etc.
Whoever buys a smartphone to use it a simple phone is not a normal person(no offence ).
Neo, your opinion is to wait for now. Probably you're right

I'll be very honest...I wouldn't be looking anywhere. Yes, the newer phones are more powerful, but trust me, if you upgrade, you aren't actually getting anything more. Dual core processors still aren't being utilised fully yet. The Sensation is literally nothing over a DHD with an official Sense 3.0 ROM, it's all very much the same.
To be honest, you've answered the question yourself. Stick with the DHD, you'll be happiest that way!

lambomanx1 said:
I'll be very honest...I wouldn't be looking anywhere. Yes, the newer phones are more powerful, but trust me, if you upgrade, you aren't actually getting anything more. Dual core processors still aren't being utilised fully yet. The Sensation is literally nothing over a DHD with an official Sense 3.0 ROM, it's all very much the same.
To be honest, you've answered the question yourself. Stick with the DHD, you'll be happiest that way!
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Second that motion!
I use my Desire HD with Sense 3.5 (RCMix3D Bliss ROM) and it performs very well. Once the bluetooth problem has been fixed, Capychimp will have an awesome ROM for us all...

lambomanx1 said:
Stick with the DHD, you'll be happiest that way!
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I guess that's what I've wanted to hear from the beginning.

pupilov said:
I guess that's what I've wanted to hear from the beginning.
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I know what you mean. I got my DHD when the dual core phones were coming out, on purpose; I knew it was going to be cheaper, and I knew I wasn't loosing out much. I rooted from the very start, then worried that I had made the wrong decision when the SGS2 and Sensation came out...looking at everything now though, it's pretty clear I haven't

ive been on my dhd 4 a yr now nd havent been fascinated by any of the recent phones.....although i still use stock roms.....i love the sense interface so sammy is definitely out of the question. all dual cores as i have been readng havent really been utilized yet...im eagerly anticipating sense 3.5 update....it would b a new experience smhow. other than that i guess the only phone i wish was there is an android htc portrait slider...u know smthng like the dell venue pro for WP. Anyone thnks were gettng smthng like that anytime from htc?

Stick with DHD...because it same man...if ur next phone is sensation/sgs2...it will be outdated to...maybe will be a quad core cpu maybe...the technology in growing fast...haha
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Neo, your opinion is to wait for now. Probably you're right
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You can see it in my signature.. i was often unable to wait, because i wanted to test all new systems...at least the WP7 UI, before i bought my DHD. I think, WP7 style is a modern way to operate with a smartphone, but today no abilities to have an individual style. Android UI is a new form of windows mobile, not really futuristic, but i can change all i want. On the DHD it´s nearly perfect at this time.
Maybe in one year i will use again a WP7 phone, because i like many of it´s features, especially the menus inside and the live tiles (with another style). But i hope, that google won´t sleep all the time and works also on new interfaces. The last updates remind me to the times, when windows mobile was updated. I miss the really impressive changes... see, what will come in the next years.

I would wait if i were you.... even the so called dual core are being updated. Word on the street is that dual core 1.2-1.5 GHz should be the standard before the end of the year....HTC have some nice lineup comming soon

I took your advises seriously. Me and my DHD are friends for almost a year now, so it has a few scratches and dents. So, in order to complete our "new" friendship, I send it back to HTC for a complete makeover(new housing and a internal cleaning ).
Thank you guys!