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Wm 6.1 - 6.5 upgrade

I sure hope this is the correct forum for this post. If it is not please excuse me for improper placing.
Way back when in 2007 I purchased an HTC Tytn and immediately found this website and was able to unlock the Tytn and was able to successfully upgrade to Windows Mobile 6.0 Professional - I believe I also upgraded my antena as well. I also found some cool weather app or something.
Since then I have not messed with the phone at all - in actuality it has been inactive for large periods of time. Well fast forward to 2009 and I am looking to upgrade this to 6.1 or 6.5.
There seems to be a plethora of options and posts out there - could anyone point me to a good stable working upgrade? As well as advice on any new cool APPS / Programs that they would recommend - that may have been developed in the past 1.5 yrs?
I thank you for your time in advanced.

Upgrading to 6.1 or 6.5
Good morning,
Well, you're probably going to be flashing a lot, since there are many new builds available since you've been gone. You'll find there is not going to be one that is an overwhelming recommendation, as much is personal preference.
That said, before you do anymore flashing, make sure you have the hardspl done and also that you have downloaded a stripped ROM, both of which you can find many places here.
There doesn't seem to be much difference between standard 6.0 and 6.1. I would suggest trying a few of the 6.5 builds, they are much more exciting and add new life to our phones. TAI_Sw has been churning out more ROMS than McDonalds has hamburgers lately - I would try one of those first.
You'll notice the today screen is much different, the interface is called Titanium - I personally don't like it, so the first thing I do is go into Settings, Today, and take that out and check the items I like. Besides the Titanium, some of the ROMS have Manilla, which is another cool option, and FCW has a newer ROM with a PointUI cooked in, another neat interface.
Bottom line, I believe you'll be happier with 6.5, which build is purely a personal choice. In any event, have fun flashing over and over until you find something you're happy with.
Best Regards.

Well I thank you for your reply. I have acquired the HARDSPL download from the sticky. As for the stripped rom - I seem to be lost at this point I have done a few searches but have not come up with much. Is this stripped rom specific to your carrier/provider? I am with a Canadian Carrier Rogers Wireless - I did see Tai_Sw reference a stripped rom for At&T. Hmmm?
Thoughts? Thanks for the heads up on WM 6.5 - I will definately narrow my focus to the 6.5 variety (just got to sift through the thousands of posts - to find a download for 6.5)

6.5 Links
I would stick to the first two pages of posts, that is if you're sorting your posts by the most recent activity. Read the comments toward the end of each post to see if there have been any problems with a specific ROM. I don't think it would be a problem using the AT&T stripped ROM, as you're immediately going to flash another, so carrier settings are not important.

I've played with 6.5 a little bit. Had it on my 8525 for a few days. It always feels slow in comparison to 6.1 for me. It takes a lot of memory to run. Keep in mind that it is still in beta at Microsoft, so anything you flash is going to have bugs, regardless of the tremendous talents of the chefs here.
The IE in WM6.5 is REALLY slow. There have been a few complaints about that and I concure. If you want fast and stable, I'd stick with 6.1 for a little while longer. I'm sure 6.5 will be much better when Microsoft finalizes it (or at least hits release candidate status). For now though, it is just too BUGGY.

Also, 6.5 probably has a time limit on it right now. I'm guessing it won't go away till someone finds it and removes the time limit, or when 6.5 comes out of beta.

boog321 said:
Also, 6.5 probably has a time limit on it right now. I'm guessing it won't go away till someone finds it and removes the time limit, or when 6.5 comes out of beta.
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on the other hand theres some good things coming out of 6.5 now and the official release is due soon so as for the timebomb built in there shouldnt be a problem. dispite its bugs i think 6.5 is a worthy upgrade and will become better as time goes on and new builds come out for us to play with.

Can you upgrade and then downgrade?
Ive just started flashing for the first time (ive already successfully flashed two 6.1 roms) and i have a question about upgrading from 6.1 to 6.5. Once you upgrade to 6.5 can you easily go back to 6.1 just by flashing a 6.1 rom? I know it seems like a simple question but ive looked around and havent seen any answers to it yet. Also, is flashing the 6.5 rom just the same as flashing a 6.1 rom or is there something else i would need to do?

jrodizzkool01 said:
Ive just started flashing for the first time (ive already successfully flashed two 6.1 roms) and i have a question about upgrading from 6.1 to 6.5. Once you upgrade to 6.5 can you easily go back to 6.1 just by flashing a 6.1 rom? I know it seems like a simple question but ive looked around and havent seen any answers to it yet. Also, is flashing the 6.5 rom just the same as flashing a 6.1 rom or is there something else i would need to do?
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It's all the same. You can flash any rom you want (as long as you have hardspl!).

boog321 said:
It's all the same. You can flash any rom you want (as long as you have hardspl!).
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thanks! just flashed a 6.5 rom on my touch pro and it rocks!

the time-limit on WM6.5 is true. i am currently using WM6.5 on a Treo750 and last week I noticed (with a lot of others) that this version of WM6.5 will stop functioning on 01-july 2009!
Hopefully we can find a 'way-around' this...
I am open for suggestions

treo-xxx said:
the time-limit on WM6.5 is true. i am currently using WM6.5 on a Treo750 and last week I noticed (with a lot of others) that this version of WM6.5 will stop functioning on 01-july 2009!
Hopefully we can find a 'way-around' this...
I am open for suggestions
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we also should have the official soon. its finished at least now wont see a new phone with it on till september but we should have it very soon.

upgrading from WM6.1 to 6.5
so would anyone recommend flashing a 6.5 ROM on a sprint HTC touch pro??
and how would i go about doing it??

Rhahkeem said:
so would anyone recommend flashing a 6.5 ROM on a sprint HTC touch pro??
and how would i go about doing it??
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I really wouldn't flash a hermes rom to it! Might need to do a bit more research first!

a call to our hermes chefs!

first of all...everyone who offers cooked roms did a great job.
but the last months i noticed there are only WM6.5 roms with titanium.
for myself, i made the experience that 6.5 "with" titanium isnt realy made for our little devices. besides that it doesnt really give the comfort like manila does.
sure...at the beginning it seems smooth, but then after u start to work with it more often u notice the lack of "power"
so, is it possibe to try WM 6.5 with M2D insteat of titanium?
or if it doesnt work because of ram...why not just go back to the latest WM6.1 and make it stable and comfortable. after testing several wm 6.5 roms with tianium i went back to joshs V15 m2d, its just faster and easier to use.
just my thoughts, maybe others have the same.
but anyhow...keep on cookin'!^^

I have played with 6.5 a little, and I kinda feel the same. Except, I like a very lite today screen (lite on memory) and the standard 6.1 today plugins have suited me just fine, with the addition of pocket digital clock.
I guess we will have to see what the future brings, maybe titanium (chome) will improve. I'll probably be sticking with 6.1.
And, to me the latest build number (at least for 6.1) doesn't mean a whole lot. So many things can be changed in the kitchen that the build number becomes irrelevant.

ya, it doesnt have to be always the latest one.
but i guess it is just the hype for 6.5 an its titanium
it looks fresh and new, everbody wants to test and use it. and here the desire for the latest stuff comes in. a lot of people forget about the comfort they had with their previous roms (speed and usablitly).
we always have to keep in mind...6.5/titanium is made for another generation of devices...our hermes cant keep up with them anymore and it doesnt make sense to have a pseudo diamond2 which cant be used for daily tasks.

I have cooked a 6.5 ROM with manilla instead and had wayyyyyyyyyyy less memory then when using titanium. I like manilla better but the scrolling with 6.5 is something I just can't live without anymore.

I guess it's 6.5 all the way!
Hi,
I agree with MrDSL that things like scrolling in WM 6.5 is something even I cant live without... And I am on wm 6.5 and there are very good ROMs for hermes dished out by our chefs.. and in my personal experience are stable as any of 6, 6.1 ROMs.. I use them every day for my professional use..
and on the proactive note since the world is going forward.. I guess we should adapt WM 6.5 rather than taking a step back to 6.1; in any case if I would ever go back I'd do so to WM 6 than 6.1 since the later is more stable...

Titanium takes really low RAM... not comparable to Manila - even my small HS++ theme takes more!
For now the best ROM is 6.1 with one of the latest builds (21051/21048) - they're hell fast and rock solid. In the meantime I'm working on the WM6.5 stripped of the honeycomb and Titanium - and it seems really fast and stable! Soon I will release it, too for you, guys

utak3r said:
Titanium takes really low RAM... not comparable to Manila - even my small HS++ theme takes more!
For now the best ROM is 6.1 with one of the latest builds (21051/21048) - they're hell fast and rock solid. In the meantime I'm working on the WM6.5 stripped of the honeycomb and Titanium - and it seems really fast and stable! Soon I will release it, too for you, guys
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sounds cool!
@ manila issue
ok...it might use more RAM than titanium but its way more usable than titanium.
you have quicker access to main features. and i think that is what one wants...easy to use and comfortable.
of course its just a matter of taste but why should i "upgrade" to something newer which isnt that comfortable and with less speed than my previous version?
@scrolling issue
some guy at pdaviet managed to include a working touchflo into his hermes roms (6.1), without FTouch. i think it was dvha's rom.

M2D it's not for Hermes. I'm sure.
Titanium works fine in WM6.5 if you use only the plugins you need. I don't use titanium because I can't (or I don't know how to do) configure Weather for Spain cities and quick shortcuts to my favorite applications. Until I resolve that issues I use and recomend the old HTC Home.
M2D.....never again....
Titanium....yes...in one or two months.

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I love NFSFAN"s roms. He does such great work. I know in his knew v12 manilsa2D exists but, I personally don't care for the 6.5 roms. I'm not a great fan of the start menu system. Along with some other things. I'm starting a bounty with $50.00 to try to convince NFSFAN to update the WM6.1 rom for sprint. Hoping others may feel the same way. Please chime in with a donation, and see if we can get his attention.
Thanks For Looking ..... T M Z

I would be all for it as well. Not a big fan of 6.5 yet. But I think about the only thing that can be updated on 6.1 now is some of the apps. I think there has not been any new 6.1 sys released since the release of NSFAN's last 6.1 roms. I am so used to M2D now that I don't want to switch to a different UI until I get a new phone, and I don't know when that will be.

Exactly, what is there left to do with 6.1? it's a dead end. everything new is with 6.5. why you dont like the start menu is beyond me. the old style start menu is so dumb and is one of the (if not the)number one complaints of WM. 6.5 is where it's at and the future. I'd be tempted to offer a bounty to NOT work on 6.1 anymore as that will stunt the developement and growth of 6.5 and 7 (hopefully very soon).. Most, if not all, the big name chefs have now finalized their 6.1 roms and moved on to 6.5. I would focus your bounty money on working out a custom start menu or whatever to fix what you dont like in 6.5 because it is so far superior to 6.1 it's not funny.

Wow. I hate 6.1 so much that I started using Android exclusively. Can't believe anyone would want a 6.1 ROM let along pay for it. Not trying to be rude. Just saying

I have tried 6.5 for a week and went back to 6.1
Phone was really slow and i find titanium plug-in really useless.
Start menu better in 6.5 then in 6.1 ? Maybe ....i use Quickmenu anyways!
So yea 6.1 rules !!

dasfast said:
I would be all for it as well. Not a big fan of 6.5 yet. But I think about the only thing that can be updated on 6.1 now is some of the apps. I think there has not been any new 6.1 sys released since the release of NSFAN's last 6.1 roms. I am so used to M2D now that I don't want to switch to a different UI until I get a new phone, and I don't know when that will be.
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NFSFANs 6.5 V12 ROM has Manila2D in it. 6.5 is way more finger friendly and has purdy icons too!

If the start menu in 6.5 is so "finger friendly", why do I keep launching applications when I am simply trying to scroll the list? There should be some dead space between the icons in the start menu, IMO. And I still think M2D in 6.5 defeats the purpose of 6.5. Titanium is the new interface with 6.5 and I am not that fond of it. To each his own. This is exactly why there is a thing called variety.

Try reflashing!
If you have problems with WM6.5's scrolling, I strongly suggest flashing the ROM 3 times in a row (wich should be done for any custom ROM to work well, btw).
The scrolling and response of the screen is 100 times better on WM6.5 than on 6.1.
You don't have to use Titanium, you simply take it off the Today screen items and use the built in manilla (touchflo).
The only difference will be that the start menu will have bigger icons (wich is more finger friendly and scrolls just as well as an iPhone) but the interface will look the same as with WM6.1 with manilla 2D. You can even use the reStart app. and organise your start menu just the way you prefer!
You should definitely give it another try! But remember to flash the 6.5 ROM 3 times and also, flash from a original 6.1 ROM and not from a custom one.

Hey guys. I notices i'm starting to get a debate here. That's not why I started this thread. I appreciate some of your guys advice, but believe me I have more than one 6900. One with 6.1 and one with 6.5. I do know the difference between them. The whole reason I started this thread is because my personal prefence is 6.1. I strongly believe there are others who feel the same way I do. I would really appreciate if we could stay on topic here. That is people that want to support and update for the 6.1 sprint rom. I just have to say to all others, if you would like to pm me with other suggestions that's fine, but please don't clog my thread up. I'm hoping toget support from you out there so we might be able to get a 6.1 update. Thanks everyone. T M Z

Sorry if you feel this is polution but the thing is, this thread shouldn't even exist if you understood what we mean:
WM6.5 is the updated WM6.1... They could have called it 6.1b if they wanted to...
Globaly, you should see this as an evolution of Windows Mobile 6. The 6.5 ROM is WM6 and any 6.X ROM is an evolution but is still WM6...
It's like if you told microsoft to keep supporting and improving Windows XP SP1 because you don't like what they did with SP2 or SP3... It is still Windows XP anyways...
Well WM6.5 is still WM6 just like WM6.1 was... You can do exactly the same things as with 6.1, but better.
You can decide not to upgrade to 6.5 if you wish, that is fine , but there is nothing more that can be improved in 6.1. If you want to make your ROM better than the actual 6.1, there is only one option: 6.5.
Once again, the only reason you had a bad experience is from bad installation of the 6.5 ROM. Just try and you'll see! Like my mom said to me: You'll thank me later...

Have you guys read the thread? All those issues with speed and response are solved by flashing to a stock ROM then flashing to NFSFAN's ROM. Ultimately choice is why we are all here so if 6.1 is your cup of tea then knock yourselves out.

tmz said:
Hey guys. I notices i'm starting to get a debate here. That's not why I started this thread. I appreciate some of your guys advice, but believe me I have more than one 6900. One with 6.1 and one with 6.5. I do know the difference between them. The whole reason I started this thread is because my personal prefence is 6.1. I strongly believe there are others who feel the same way I do. I would really appreciate if we could stay on topic here. That is people that want to support and update for the 6.1 sprint rom. I just have to say to all others, if you would like to pm me with other suggestions that's fine, but please don't clog my thread up. I'm hoping toget support from you out there so we might be able to get a 6.1 update. Thanks everyone. T M Z
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And again, your thread makes no sense. Again, what is there to upgrade on 6.1? As has been said, 6.5 IS the update of 6.1. If you don't like the update, then don't do it. Otherwise, make a list of what YOU want 6.5 to be and send that to Microsoft. Either live with 6.1 or go to 6.5, but there will be NO major revisions to 6.1 EVER again. As I said, it's dead and wasting developer time on it is detrimental to the evolution of our WM phones.

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And again, your thread makes no sense. Again, what is there to upgrade on 6.1? As has been said, 6.5 IS the update of 6.1. If you don't like the update, then don't do it. Otherwise, make a list of what YOU want 6.5 to be and send that to Microsoft. Either live with 6.1 or go to 6.5, but there will be NO major revisions to 6.1 EVER again. As I said, it's dead and wasting developer time on it is detrimental to the evolution of our WM phones.
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Very well said

I don't see why you guys have to bash him. He wanted to start a thread like this, in the hopes that I update 6.1. I told him that I will update it if it is worth my time, and there is more than just one request.

Neither 6.1 nor 6.5 UI is of interest to me (nor is TF2D) - I layer SPB Shell on top. Given that, I much prefer the stability of 6.1 over 6.5, and would love to see NFSFAN continue to update 6.1 - assuming there are still improvements to be made.
NFSFAN Roms are the best out there!

I mean really is this a community or a mob? Cause I mean, if the guy likes 6.1 better then he does, it's his choice...Personally I love 6.1 more than 6.5 because it's more stable and has a better feel to it
So if you want to bash me as well then go ahead, but I will warn you....you will not like me at the end of it

Winmo6.1 versus 6.5 is not like xp sp1 versus xp sp2.
Winmo 6.0 and 6.1 are like XP
Winmo 6.5 is like Vista
Winmo 7.0 will be like, well Windows 7
Would everyone agree Vista is better than XP??
Yes 6.5 is more finger friendly, personally I like the new start menu, scrolling, and while not the best, the new PIE is a step up as well. I still prefer M2d to titanium and always will. HTC rocks, can't wait for sense or a qvga m2.5.
6.1 was stable, the last Bell 1.31 was ultra fast (dare I say faster than V12???), stable and everything worked. I am not sure if 1.31 has the "latest" or last 6.1 build number but the OS is not always the only part of a ROM. The parts are what makes up the whole. There has since been new versions of RSS, office, adobe, audio manager, camera, and M2D itself. Sure a guy could try and load up all the latest apps after digging all the latest cabs (if available, or cab up the oem's), but a new packaged 6.1 with all the latest updates that 6.5 offers would certainly appeal to some people.
There was a thread in the base Vogue forum called 6.1 or 6.5? Not many people chimed in there. Perhaps all this discussion would be better moved there and we could respect the original posters wishes of having this as a pledge thread only.

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6.1 was stable, the last Bell 1.31 was ultra fast (dare I say faster than V12???), stable and everything worked.
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I stopped flashing roms after Bell 1.31 just for the exact reason you mentioned. FAST, STABLE AND EVERYTHING WORKED Isn't that all we want? It took NFSFAN a long time of trial and error to reach NIRVANA with 6.1 and it will take a little bit of time to reach that same reliability with 6.5. Until then I will stay with 1.31. I think a lot of people just want the newest 6.5 roms because it is unique and they will sacrifice stability and live with a few things not working yet. I will wait until 6.5 is as reliable as the 1.31 before I flash it.
As for updating 6.1, I can see that it could be tweaked a little but I believe it has reached it limits of perfection.
D.

I'm going to weigh in here too. Like I mentioned in the 6.1 v. 6.5 poll, I stick with 6.1 so I can use my Redfly. I also find the 6.5 interface to be ugly, but like joemike, I use Spb MS3 as my interface. I have used NFSFAN's 6.1 ROM and it worked ok. The bluetooth wouldn't connect with my Redfly and the dialer had serious issues. About half the time I'd go to it, the numbers wouldn't show. The last time it happened was when I was on call and it was 1:30am. The next day I flashed back to the stock Verizon ROM. This is MY phone and MY issues, I don't in any way want to slam what NFSFAN has done! For my purposes, the current 6.1 ROM won't work for me.
Given all that biching ;-) I'd still like to use a custom ROM. My ideal ROM would be very clean, very minimal, fast and stable. I don't want touchflo, manilla, or any "today screen" programs, I use MS3. I'd like the stock bluetooth stack, Office Mobile apps, the CDMA smart dialer, .net 3.5 or 3.7, and that is about it. I don't know anything about cooking ROMs or what makes one fast and stable, but that is where I'd put the emphasis on rather than adding software that gets updated. Since this is my only phone and it needs to be available 24x7 I had to go back to stock, but I'm not done looking for the perfect 6.1 ROM. So far NFSFAN's has come the closest, but I need a couple of tweaks before it will replace the stock version.
However, if I see a new clean 6.1 from NFSFAN, I'll be flashing again ;-)

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I don't see why you guys have to bash him. He wanted to start a thread like this, in the hopes that I update 6.1. I told him that I will update it if it is worth my time, and there is more than just one request.
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Agreed, when I was posting every day in Nfsfan's vogue rom thread,
there were a few handfuls of people in his thread that asked about updating 6.1 roms.
I say to each his own.
If he wants 6.1, let him have 6.1
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I mean really is this a community or a mob? Cause I mean, if the guy likes 6.1 better then he does, it's his choice...Personally I love 6.1 more than 6.5 because it's more stable and has a better feel to it
So if you want to bash me as well then go ahead, but I will warn you....you will not like me at the end of it
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haha, quick, lets flood whosdaman's inbox with messages aobut how lame 6.1 is!!! lets go!!!
jmitr said:
Winmo6.1 versus 6.5 is not like xp sp1 versus xp sp2.
Winmo 6.0 and 6.1 are like XP
Winmo 6.5 is like Vista
Winmo 7.0 will be like, well Windows 7
Would everyone agree Vista is better than XP??
Yes 6.5 is more finger friendly, personally I like the new start menu, scrolling, and while not the best, the new PIE is a step up as well. I still prefer M2d to titanium and always will. HTC rocks, can't wait for sense or a qvga m2.5.
6.1 was stable, the last Bell 1.31 was ultra fast (dare I say faster than V12???), stable and everything worked. I am not sure if 1.31 has the "latest" or last 6.1 build number but the OS is not always the only part of a ROM. The parts are what makes up the whole. There has since been new versions of RSS, office, adobe, audio manager, camera, and M2D itself. Sure a guy could try and load up all the latest apps after digging all the latest cabs (if available, or cab up the oem's), but a new packaged 6.1 with all the latest updates that 6.5 offers would certainly appeal to some people.
There was a thread in the base Vogue forum called 6.1 or 6.5? Not many people chimed in there. Perhaps all this discussion would be better moved there and we could respect the original posters wishes of having this as a pledge thread only.
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I beg to differ, vista is horrible.
you can't compare 6.5 to it. haha

How many of you liked Win 6.5 ?

As the title goes.. Did u really like the new Windows 6.5 ?
I tried to change my attitude positively so much but still couldn..
I feel 6.1 is still better ..
I DIN'T LIKE IT ... What about you ? Which Rom are you using currently ??

Haven't tried the "official" release, but many,many cooked flavors
and think it kinda hohum. Not that much of an upgrade if any really.
6.1 is fine and does what I need. Not sure if I'll try the "official".

cbreze said:
Haven't tried the "official" release, but many,many cooked flavors
and think it kinda hohum. Not that much of an upgrade if any really.
6.1 is fine and does what I need. Not sure if I'll try the "official".
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Not much has changed from 6.1 to 6.5.
The two things that really catch the eye are:
- the new start menu
- the new lock screen
Both things are far better than with 6.1 so I prefer 6.5.

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I DIN'T LIKE IT ... What about you ? Which Rom are you using currently ??
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What is it that is in WM6.5 that you don't like. Many said that WM6.5 is like WM6.1. What are the changes in WM6.5 that you don't?

Personally, I'm ecstatic about WM6.5. WM6.1 had an 8 email account limit. That was a bummer for me since I have about a dozen that I would like to check on my phone and SMS, MMS, and Outlook counted against the eight. WM6.5 doesn't have the limit (that I have found). I have 12 email account configured and the "add email account" button is still active.

yea, 6.5 is prettier because its not them ugly white backgrounds in the programs and settings options, but really no actual difference......... but, id say 6.5 for being prettier.......

Lord_BlackAdder said:
What is it that is in WM6.5 that you don't like. Many said that WM6.5 is like WM6.1. What are the changes in WM6.5 that you don't?
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More importantly, what is in 6.1 that they like so much? As far as I see it, anyone that would take 6.1 over 6.5 is stupid AND crazy (provided 6.5 is free).
Hmm, let's see... do I want the clunkly, old looking, non-fingerfriendly 6.1 or do I want the newer, less clunky, fingerfriendly 6.5? No brainer.
Do I lose anything 6.1 had? No. Do I gain anything good? Yes. Does anything change for the worse? No. Again, no brainer...
Granted 6.5 isn't revolutionary, but it is evolutionary.
Anyhow, the 6.5 haters/6.1 lovers are probably lame ass Windows XP lovers/Windows 7 haters or people that don't actually understand technology. Probably old people actually. Also, what's with talking about 6.5 in the past tense?

WM6.5 is so much more finger friendly. i rarely find myself taking out the stylus anymore, which is great.

I have been reluctant to use 6.5 simply because of the new Start Menu. I'm not a big fan of the offset layout. I don't know why, but the layout makes me really confused. Seriously, don't ask me why...
But I like everything else about 6.5 (ie, the lock screen and the finger friendly features).
I wish there was a 6.5 ROM that uses Manila 2.1 with the HTC Start Menu...

My biggest pro is the capility to lock the screen without having to install 3rd party apps that chow battery life.

Am I wrong to prefer WM6.1 on the TP2?

Hi All
I made an upgrade yesterday; I previously had the stock HTC rom with Windows Mobile 6.1 & TouchFlo 2.1, and I hard reset, then upgraded to the official HTC Windows Mobile version 6.5.
Are there any other users who prefer the old version? The phone seemed so much smoother before the upgrade, it almost feels as though the hardware isn't up to the job of running the new version. I even preferred the old black and white Touch Flo menu colours, the colour ones don't look as nice. I don't really see any amazing 'must-have' new features on the OS either - as a result, i'll be 'downgrading' my phone, back to the old ROM 1.19.401.1 later today.
I wondered if there are others who feel the same way, or am I just not giving the new OS time to win me over?
Have a good weekend everyone....
LJ

Glad its not just me then...

Same here. I very much prefer WM 6.1. Multitasking on WM 6.5 is a pain and it is slow. Only problem is that I cannot initiate VoiceCommand over Bluetooth on the 6.1 ROM. That is the only reason why I moved to 6.5. And nobody seems to know a cooked 6.1 ROM that enables voicecommand over bluetooth.

Same here. After upgrading, and installing a few programs, I started having stability issues. Nothing serious, but I hadn't noticed that on WM6.1. Also, the battery consumption is higher, the memory consumtion is higher (I've seen it use as much as 85% of memory, which leaves about 40-45Mb free), and TF3D looks like it's half finished.
I've already flashed back to WM6.1. Maybe I'll try again if HTC releases an updated WM6.5, but until then I intend to enjoy my device with the original ROM.

Same here, tho I'll maybe try it again when verizon gets theirs together. After trialing many cooked 6.5's on my old tp I'm not a big fan. I think my tp2 as is, is a very outstanding device.

6.5 was on my TP2 for about 15 minutes. it seemed slower then the Orange shipped 6.1 ROM I've been happy with, but without any benefits. So im back on the Orange ROM.

May I ask how many of you have HardSPL'd to install an upgrade not meant for your device?
I only ask this because most others (including me) have noticed a marked improvement. Disregarding colours layout etc. as they are only personal preference.
I wonder if we are getting back to the old Kaiser/Tilt scenario where people forget the devices marketed for the US are HW different from the rest of the world due to US laws and US operators requirements and US having a different radio system to most others?
JMHO

Farsquidge said:
May I ask how many of you have HardSPL'd to install an upgrade not meant for your device?
I only ask this because most others (including me) have noticed a marked improvement. Disregarding colours layout etc. as they are only personal preference.
I wonder if we are getting back to the old Kaiser/Tilt scenario where people forget the devices marketed for the US are HW different from the rest of the world due to US laws and US operators requirements and US having a different radio system to most others?
JMHO
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You make a very good point. In my case, the device in question is a standard, stock, UK unbranded TP2 from HTC, so I this scenario does not apply in my case, but I have tried it on a Vodafone UK handset which HAS been HardSPL'ed. Most people who are familiar with the Vodafone UK ROM know that it's plain ugly with one of the worst themes known to man
But yeah, it could indeed be the reason why some people are having problems.
I'm glad i'm not the only one who feels this way too though - thanks all for sharing your thoughts. I guess in my case, a lot of it is just down to personal preference - plus, without realising it, the phone already did everything I needed it to, and did it well enough for me - so I don't really know what I thought 6.5 was going to do that would change that.
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers all...

You could always turn off the TF3D and other Win 6.5 stuff and have a 6.1-ish homescreen in 6.5
But I love the new interface, it took me about 3 hours to get used to, and now I'd never go back

I'm a fan of 6.1 but it really sucks that all the new tf3d won't work on 6.1. I've come to terms with 6.5.1. I like that version of 6.5 but the regular interface to me just sucks!!

lol - Snap!
Im not overly fussed about TF versions and what not, the device is plainly slower on 6.5
(Stock UK HTC)
GermanGuy said:
Same here. I very much prefer WM 6.1. Multitasking on WM 6.5 is a pain and it is slow. Only problem is that I cannot initiate VoiceCommand over Bluetooth on the 6.1 ROM. That is the only reason why I moved to 6.5. And nobody seems to know a cooked 6.1 ROM that enables voicecommand over bluetooth.
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I disagree, I have been using 6.5 on my Tytn II for ages and when I finally got my TP2 on Vodafone here in the UK I came home, HardSPL'd it and found a cooked 6.5 ROM that I liked (Thanks NRG) I have experienced no problems at all and it gets rid of the ugly Voda theme too.
I love 6.5 and couldn't stay on 6.1 for longer then I did.

Winmo 6.1 v 6.5 on touch pro2
Initially the upgrade was staccatto but a new hard reset fixed that. Wifi turns itself off now but gProfile still works so no worries there. MMS have gone back to early TP 1 mistake of flipping the image by 90degrees for MMS (annoying).
Battery life seems better and the web scrolls better with fingers (or is that me)
Couple of oddities -e.g. Text boxes dont wrap well on web pages. Also i have had to restart more often then 6.1. (tp2 6.1 is the most stable winmo ppc i have ever known)
I shall stick with it for now I think however.

In the end, I believe the phrase "To each his own.." is most appropriate. Some love WM 6.1, some love 6.5 and others absolute hate any official/stock ROM. That's the beauty of the HTC dev community, I think there is something for everyone!

Are they still using that horrible WIDCOMM bluetooth stack/driver on WM6.5 upgrade?

I totally agree with you.
I have downgraded to Orange's stock ROM.... That's the first time I find a stock ROM better than an official or cooked ROM.
It starts using 42% or less RAM
It works "correctly" (stilll has unexplained problems) with BB Connect.
It works fast (of course, there's 58% RAM left for software execution).... and with a few chnages, the GPS is effective.
What I miss from WM 6.5 is just the My Location option that doesn't exist in Orange's ROM.
I'll wait for their official 6.5 ROM and maybe will test it...

cerealfreak said:
I disagree, I have been using 6.5 on my Tytn II for ages and when I finally got my TP2 on Vodafone here in the UK I came home, HardSPL'd it and found a cooked 6.5 ROM that I liked (Thanks NRG) I have experienced no problems at all and it gets rid of the ugly Voda theme too.
I love 6.5 and couldn't stay on 6.1 for longer then I did.
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So you never really tried 6.1 on the TP2 and don't have a basis for comparison? (obviously 6.5 on the TP2 will work a lot better than on a TytnII, it's a case of apples and oranges).
Will try the upgrade when it comes out. Though I know from the screen shots I prefer the colour layout of TF3D2.1 to the colour icons of TF3D2.5
But I'll give it a try and go with what works best for me.

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...Will try the upgrade when it comes out. Though I know from the screen shots I prefer the colour layout of TF3D2.1 to the colour icons of TF3D2.5
But I'll give it a try and go with what works best for me.
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You may want to check out this post of mine if you really don't like the color icons that HTC provided...

Power Functions in 6.1
I started a thread, posted in multiple threads, exchanged P.M.s, searched like it was my job and flashed multiple 6.1 variants. The one function, or lack thereof, that was the deciding factor for me was the power saving functionality in the media players response to pressing the power button to turn the screen off to save battery. It would stop the music playback!
My old Herald did this. The Fuze did this. Both on 6.1 Roms. Why the TP2 could not, with the smooth Tmobile stock Rom, I could not understand. I used so many different playes that all worked in the past. My current favorite is Nitrogen. But since I listen to music so much I couldn't have the sreen, even 'dim', for the hours I listen to music. My battery would be dead in no time.
This, ultimately, was the reason for me flashing and sticking with 6.5. If any one has found the magic registry edit or whatever for this fix, let me know.

Do you listen to your music with the speaker? Because my stock 6.1 US TMo TP2 continues to play via headphones just fine after pressing the power button. I'm no audiophile but I could not imagine listening to music on that speaker. Just thinking about it makes me shudder.
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