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I read again and again that people want Android on their devices. I still don't see the advantage.
Android is a 1.0-release and lacks the large pool of software available for Windows Mobile. It's own set of features seems somewhat lacking to me - no pushmail (including synchronisation of calendar and contacts with exchange) being the biggest of the disadvantages in my opinion.
Have fun!
Bingo, what I was thinking and saying for a long time... But as the saying goes, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Everyone will put it for a second, say "wow" and return to the good ol' WM.http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/grassisalway.html
1) It's something new. New is always more exciting than old. When WM7 comes out, most people will want to upgrade.
2) Features and software that is not available to WM. Location aware games that don't exist for WM,
3) App store- finding apps for WM kinda sucks, you find something that looks really cool only to find that it doesnt actually work on your device.
4) Open environment. WM (until future releases) looks the same. Skins can change it, but they slow down the phone. Android can be completely changed at a system level so things don't slow down the same way.
5) There are more reasons, but just go to engadget and read about it.
Edit- I think the G1 kinda sucks by the way. I have never used one, but would want a device with atleast a vga screen.
No one's saying new software isn't cool. But let it cook for a while, it isn't better now.
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I see 2 advantages:
- I think android is faster than WM. WM take a while sometimes to launch a small app.
- Android can be fully controlled with one hand.
- I think that in the future much more applications will be available on it. (like a real browser supporting java and flash.)
Most of people are curious about new thing, whether it is good or not. People would like to try out for themselves. This is human instinct.
This topic totally subjective as some may look different aspect such as nice interface, performance, application compatiblility etc.
Well i think that LINUX is the word, it's an open system and probably is easier for the coders.
Have you ever seen the Ubuntu release of linux for PC? maybe android could become the same for PPC.
Bye
I hope I will get very fast main-phone functionality, more speed and less buggy
Apps will be developed quicker.
the major thing that makes me want to move over to Android is the fact that my hang up key takes AGES to respond when i make a call and it really annoys me to the point id rather change OS, oh and the fact that it's open source, so be prepared for heaps of software
Lol
that hang-up key is programmed to 3 seconds delay and can be changed with Advanced-Config
Addicteddddd said:
the major thing that makes me want to move over to Android is the fact that my hang up key takes AGES to respond when i make a call and it really annoys me to the point id rather change OS, oh and the fact that it's open source, so be prepared for heaps of software
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Hi, get AdvancedConfig for your Diamond and there you have the option to change the hangup delay from default 5 seconds !! (crazy, I know) to zero if you want.
i have changed it, keeps resetting for some reason
More infos:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Launch-Windows-Mobile-6-5-on-May-11-109719.shtml
br,
Chris
Any news about when HTC are planing to release 6.5 for our Diamonds?
cyron_at said:
More infos:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-to-Launch-Windows-Mobile-6-5-on-May-11-109719.shtml
br,
Chris
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Great news, thanks! I can't wait
anyone know whats in it that we dont already have??
sapiora said:
Any news about when HTC are planing to release 6.5 for our Diamonds?
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Never.
mike21pr said:
anyone know whats in it that we dont already have??
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well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?
The biggest improvement is that now, you can control your phone only with your finger, it's more "finger-friendly". No need to have a stylet.
Otherwise, it's only a "graphic" improvement I think...
racerx_ said:
well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?
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Actually I would say that usability has been greatly improved. It's not just a new start menu and a today screen. There are some very nice touches here and there like a much better menu interaction, drop-down lists are improved so that you no longer need to use the stylus, there's a new Internet Explorer which even though it's not as good as Opera it does have some things that might be useful for certain websites...
Oh, there's also the new widget system for small web-based applications (MSN Weather and MSN Finances are good examples) and the new Titanium home screen seems to be highly customizable with plugins that look beautiful and so far seem to work well.
I would say that the main change is that Windows Mobile no longer looks like an outdated PDA and looks more like a modern hi-tech phone without the need of TouchFlo 3D which never got to the deeper parts of the OS.
Anchelspain said:
Actually I would say that usability has been greatly improved. It's not just a new start menu and a today screen. There are some very nice touches here and there like a much better menu interaction, drop-down lists are improved so that you no longer need to use the stylus, there's a new Internet Explorer which even though it's not as good as Opera it does have some things that might be useful for certain websites...
Oh, there's also the new widget system for small web-based applications (MSN Weather and MSN Finances are good examples) and the new Titanium home screen seems to be highly customizable with plugins that look beautiful and so far seem to work well.
I would say that the main change is that Windows Mobile no longer looks like an outdated PDA and looks more like a modern hi-tech phone without the need of TouchFlo 3D which never got to the deeper parts of the OS.
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i guess it's a matter of preference. The main thing i see is that its designed to be much more finger-friendly. But personally the way they did the menus, i find quite annoying and a bit sluggish.. i manage quite well right now without my stylus actually.. In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc. every time some menu takes over your entire screen it slows down the process of entering and selecting data
as far as not looking outdated? i don't know about that. I think looking at what HTC did with TF3D, although not perfect and the iphone interface, microsoft could have done a lot better for their first real facelift of windows mobile.. widgets? yeah but if i needed widgets i'd be using an omnia or a google phone
I tried WM6.5 for a few hours last weekend, hoping to embrace it.
I wasn't used to the home screen as it doesn't provide much information at first look. The menu enhancement is nice, but apparently HTC has it's own which seems to feel better.
The start menu is simply cluttered and feels sluggish. The scroll arrows don't look good either. Anyways.. my conclusion is that HTC seem to do a better job than MS. Perhaps WM7 is what they're spending their efforts in..
thanks cyron_at... yeah i read that yesterday somewhere as well that it's about to get released...
i think it's a great compliment to tf3d... tf3d aims at making the interface finger friendly - however you still find yourself taking out the stylus now and then (specially when behind the scenes in winmo!)... i think 6.5 further reduces the need for this... but its not "officially" coming to our diamonds, so let's c how it goes...
Officially speaking, WM 6.5 isn't supposed to be available on "older" devices (with respect to release date), but that may be subject changes.
racerx_ said:
well let's see... there's a honeycomb-styled start menu (i mean, how did i ever live without a HONEYCOMB start menu?)... and a today screen that's a sad attempt to compete with the iphone and TF3D... am i missing anything else?
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I think it has built-in kinetic scrolling so that 3rd party manufacturers (like HTC) no longer have to write their own implementation. I believe the new IE has built-in support for Flash as well.
racerx_ said:
i guess it's a matter of preference. The main thing i see is that its designed to be much more finger-friendly. But personally the way they did the menus, i find quite annoying and a bit sluggish.. i manage quite well right now without my stylus actually.. In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc. every time some menu takes over your entire screen it slows down the process of entering and selecting data
as far as not looking outdated? i don't know about that. I think looking at what HTC did with TF3D, although not perfect and the iphone interface, microsoft could have done a lot better for their first real facelift of windows mobile.. widgets? yeah but if i needed widgets i'd be using an omnia or a google phone
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Totally agree.
MasK said:
.. my conclusion is that HTC seem to do a better job than MS. Perhaps WM7 is what they're spending their efforts in..
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Exactly. HTC has done wonders for revamping the old look and feel with winmo.
Interesting to say is that M$ took some ideas from HTC and implemented them in os(shouldn't they be the one to offer innovations?!).
I hope wm7 will be more finger friendly, but as the rumors say we will probably see one more wimmo 6.x iteration (6.7?) before the 7.
I'm really looking forward to see more android based phones and some more improvements of the os itself with a lot more soft(gps like igo for instance).
Resistive screens are really becoming outdated not only do they diminish the "touch" feel compared to capacitive screens but they are a ***** to use in the sunlight.
Cheers.
how's the keyboard in WM6.5, I can't find screenshot of it nor any special talk here about it, is there any keyboard in it at all
also, video call doesn't work yet, right?
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thanks cyron_at... yeah i read that yesterday somewhere as well that it's about to get released...
i think it's a great compliment to tf3d... tf3d aims at making the interface finger friendly - however you still find yourself taking out the stylus now and then (specially when behind the scenes in winmo!)... i think 6.5 further reduces the need for this... but its not "officially" coming to our diamonds, so let's c how it goes...
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for me spb mobile shell 3.0 is very finger friendly an very customize able.
racerx_ said:
In fact, although a bit small, i felt that the drop down menus in windows mobile are what gave it an edge as a business phone over say the iphone, etc.
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Smartphones and PPCs are not business only any more.
If MS only focused on the business market WINMO would disappear, or atleast not develop any further. Phone manufactures are about selling handsets. If the general consumer (who buy more handsets than businesses) are not happy with an OS they will not by that phone.
Not every phone user is techsavy enough to flash updates from websites. They want updates sent to their device in a way that means they have little interaction and risk.
WINMO needs to develop to become a general consumer friendly OS whilst still pandering slightly to the business community. This is what I see happening in 6.5
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Windows Mobile 6.5 May Launch Not Likely
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/04/windows_mobile_10.html
Windows Mobile 6.5 ...
... Is only a better version of Windows Mobile 6.1. They changed some graphics and the start menu. But they aren't able to make it like it should be. YOU'LL NEED A STYLET! look at the dropdown menus and the little buttons. How does microsoft thinkt people should use this little items without a stylet?
No sorry , I hope that Winodws Mobile 7 will be better!
windows 6.5 for Evo?
Why would you want to? And this from a prior touch pro custom rom flasher....
You currently can't. It's probably possible but I'd be very surprised to see anyone putting any effort into it.
Yuck, just wait and see if someone get's Windows Phone 7 for it.
WM6.5 is junk compared to Android and even WP7.
Anyways, I don't foresee it with full drivers anytime soon, we're having enough issues w/ Froyo which Froyo itself is open source.
There are no 4G drivers for Windows Mobile anyway so you might as well just get an HD2.
why would you want to take a perfectly good phone and make it garbage?
WinMo 6.5.3 has a very slick contact management app built in. The ability to quickly switch from Exchange to Gmail to Yahoo to SMS inboxes simply by clicking <right arrow> or swiping to the right is also very slick. There are a lot of well-built MS tools available for 6.5 such as Livemesh Mobile, Word, Excel, OneNote etc. If you have a Windows computer and you work at a company that has all windows servers WinMo 6.5 is not a bad enterprise oriented OS. Facebook + social media apps and games? CRAP but for MS Geeks, it's quite nice.
Full disclosure, I have previously owned TP2, TP, SCH-i760, Treo 700w, SCH-i700 so I'm a little partial to the OS.
Windows mobile has it's perks. I still have an HD2 and I like it, but having an android OS takes all of the guess work out of using the phone. I will say though that having CHTEditor for sense UI is great. I wish the dev who created it for winmo would do that for the evo.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633590
windows mobile is nice for some things, but android is so much better.
this has been gone over way too many times and people need to search.
Example of a huge android fail for such a basic want. I want 7 full screen widgets and just one folder. Is the only place you can put folders on the main screens?
I don't see why it couldn't be done as this phone is similar to the hd2 but i doubt you would get a dev to port it and honestly android is 10x better!
I'll believe it's 10x better if you can tell me how I can have 7 full screen widgets and just one folder. In winmo the start screen holds apps and folders. You can also put folders in the links on the today screen and that little row of links can open up to multiple pages up to about 80 links I think.
In android you could put 112 folders on the main screens, but nothing else. Those screens would be maxed out. Sounds like android wins, but think of it this way.
You can add all the apps you want to android (all apps screen) or winmo (start screen) limited only by memory. In winmo that goes for folders also. Not so in android.
Let's compare further. Let's say I'm using sense in android so I have 7 screens instead of 5 and have 7 full screen widgets and I compare it to sense in winmo...no that's not fair since in winmo it comes with about 15 fullscreen widgets. Ok, let's say in winmo I don't have sense and use UL and make 7 screens so it's like android and put full screen widgets (lots of free ones out there) on them.
Now I want some folders. In winmo I create them in my start page. What do I do in android? Is there an app out there that holds folders? That would be a good option. Just go to the all apps screen and open that app to see my folders.
ok, so I have no opinion on the major topic of this post, but as a suggestion, I mean, you could just use multiple scenes. Then you would have 7 screens for each scene, and to switch you just do like 3 clicks and you have 7 more screens.
Obviously it is a little more work, because you will have to save the scene when you modify, but its some form of accommodation for what you are looking for.
I also think there is something called launcher pro or something on the market that allows you to add more than 7 screens. I am not sure and have never used it.
Sorry if this suggestion in no way accommodates you, just ignore if so.
Well,...It's an option. A little bit of a pain in the ass, but I kind of like that. You can expand quite a bit that way. Still a little overcomplicated compared to winmo though, but in effect I guess you're not limited to just seven screens. How many scenes can you create? Is that a memory hog?
you should really try something like adw.launcher from the market just to see if you like it. You can have 7 screens but you can change it to have up to 7x7 grid on each screen. It is highly customizable
But I am pretty sure you can have a bunch of scenes, shouldn't affect memory since its only loading one scene at a time.
Well, it looks like Windows 95 has now been ported to Android. Why not Winmo? I'm betting some one will do it just because so many say it won't happen, just for the bragging rights.
Manicmobileaddict said:
Well, it looks like Windows 95 has now been ported to Android. Why not Winmo? I'm betting some one will do it just because so many say it won't happen, just for the bragging rights.
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Did all 4 of the WinMo threads needed to be bumped just for this?
I miss having a d pad specifically the joystick from the apache. i tried everything-virtual dpad, assigning the updown keys and the ok and start with click double click triple click, the zoom bar one. reassigning the hardkeys worked best but still was only a fix. I really miss one handed operation without having to touch the screen especially to scroll through an article. I used to press down once and it would scroll exactly one page foward it made reading websites great. Now I use opera instead of pie but i find that the scrolling is annoying use and moves all over the place. Also when you need to edit something you typed, the joystick allowed you to get right where you needed. Ive tried using the hard keyboard but its also not as good as joystickk,trackball, dpad because i have to be in landscape. Does anyone here think its possible to modify the tp2 and disable the zoombar and put in a old joystick from the apache? Is that realistic. I would be willing to pay to have this done because i love the tp2 running 6.5 and spb and dont want a new htc device with android. Why cant htc get the hardware perfect they seemed to fix one thing and make another worse with each new model (apache,mogul,tp,tp2).
Thanks
I know I missed the joystick, but now, whenever I want to use my phone for more than a reply to a text or checking the time or something. I just open my phone and use the joystick there. I know its not always conventional, but it seems like the only logical thing to be done. If you notice, more and more of the new phones (most of them are Android OS) are coming out with the Trackballs like the Blackberry's (see Aria, Hero, Incredible, etc.)
This seems like its goin to be the new style, and there are going to be fewer and fewer phones with physical keyboards
I've recently replaced my ATC Tilt 8925 with the HTC Tilt2 because I like the windows operating system and the fully customizable capability I have with the Tilt (I don't like restricted phones with controlled options by the provider).
I do miss the dpad that the Tilt 8925 has. It would be nice if HTC developes a Tilt3 with the best of both 8925 and the T2 all in one handset.
It's funny you should ask, because I was just thinking about how much I miss the configuration on my 8925 Tilt! If they could have kept the d-pad and the scroll wheel on the side, I would be happy. Personally, I am not a huge fan of the touch screen, but the genie is out of the bottle now, I guess.
I share exactly your feelings. I had the apache witht the joysick which i prefered over the dapd but my wife had the mogul with the scroll wheel where I has the slider. They both worked great and are missing on the tp2. Altough I dont think im gonna like wp7 but i was hoping that thr new phones from htc would have at least a track ball but it looks like there qare just three barley buttons on the wp7 pro that will be coming to sprint- search,start and back. What a shame. Im really happy with the tp2 running 6.5 and spb mobile shell and the resistive touch screen and am not happy about what the future holds.
It has been announced in the MWC that M$ are going to include in an update later this year a Multi-Tasker for WP7.
The video is available to view here, it is the 2nd video down. I am aso wetting my pants at the arrival of IE9 to WP7.
When I were using my old Iphone 3GS (I know, big mistake), they had a jailbreak version of the Multi-Tasker before the release of IOS4 which already had it included.
I were just wondering if the developers at XDA could create a simular version of the Multi-Tasker to keep us hungry WP7 users who cant wait happy until the update later in 2011 arrives.
im glad they are adding it this year. but imo i dont like the design... its minimilistic gone too far... i mean a blank screen with thumbnails?? i mean i would have been better if they kept the homescreen or whatever screen u were on in the background and made the thumbnails appear front an center.
my idea was a left swipe to reveal the tasks as live tiles in a horizontal list and switch between them at will (sorta like the design the zune hd has)
yes i will...
i will wait for the update, as i like this new OS, its smooth and do not hang on me as wm os i use to use before this...
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I'll be only too happy to wait. Love WP7 and never realized just how poor WM 6.5.x was until I used this OS. No amount of custom ROMs or tweaking of WM 6.5.x could get to the same level of smoothness and stability of WP7.
Anybody else catch on to his tone and presentation of, "free update"? Makes me wonder if they might at some point start charging for updates. Or maybe are currently considering charging for updates.
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im glad they are adding it this year. but imo i dont like the design... its minimilistic gone too far... i mean a blank screen with thumbnails?? i mean i would have been better if they kept the homescreen or whatever screen u were on in the background and made the thumbnails appear front an center.
my idea was a left swipe to reveal the tasks as live tiles in a horizontal list and switch between them at will (sorta like the design the zune hd has)
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The final design might be different, a pure green backgroud doesn't look good...