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The first WM7S prototype phone from LG, with a full keyboard [with video]

Not much information at the moment, apart from the standard headphone jack, 5 megapixel camera and the usual three button configuration.
Video from the source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/27/exclusive-lgs-windows-phone-7-series-early-prototype-unveiled/
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The guy from Microsoft refused to answer a direct question: "Is the HD2 getting the upgrade?", his answer was "Come to MIX"

very ugly hd2 is the best

Cool ... but how big is the screen?
3.7" .... ?
It looks smaller ...

hoss_n2 said:
very ugly hd2 is the best
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HD2 MAKES THIS LOOK LIKE A MOUSE... i believe hd2 will get upgrade

From what I see is that LG already has the Software..
and the HD2 looks 1000% times better!!!

The front reminds me of the enV Touch, but it's pretty nice overall. The keyboard is meh, not quite as nice as the TP2's, seems decent.
Nothing amazing design-wise, but we are still questionable with these specs.
What is that screen size though???
Unless my eyes are completely deceiving me, it really doesn't seem that big: 3.2", 3.4" maybe??
I don't recall a physical size minimum, and it is really not necessary.
Yes, the HD2 looks nicer, but it is a different style phone.
Remember we still have hardware choices with WinMo.

kel16harris said:
HD2 MAKES THIS LOOK LIKE A MOUSE... i believe hd2 will get upgrade
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Didn't HTC say it was going to get the upgrade?

I love looking at all the new cell phones. I haven't liked LG because the quality hasn't been good in the past. HTC is my favorite and before them, HP.

I don't think I'd ever buy an LG product..it'll have to be HTC or nothing, hopefully I can just upgrade my TP2 (I know, I know, it may be too slow..but we'll see!) I'm surprised this has a keyboard..that is a must have for me and everyone I talk to says they are "out"..guess not!

trinest said:
Didn't HTC say it was going to get the upgrade?
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Some grunt in their Russia tech support dept "announced" that a while back. HTC head office immediately issued a statement saying this was incorrect.

very simple phone (old styled)

He looks like as LG Monaco but the buttons are new(search,windows flag,back) maybe it is Monaco but created for wp7s?

actually i like the style and especially the keyboatd layout. curious about how the next htc wp7s phone will look like.

I'll be waiting on the Touch Pro3 or whatever they decide to call the next landscape slider.

and where can we download this leaked rom LOL .

ceesheim said:
and where can we download this leaked rom LOL .
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Soon my friend, it will leak soon

VilDreamX said:
He looks like as LG Monaco but the buttons are new(search,windows flag,back) maybe it is Monaco but created for wp7s?
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Its actually interesting you say that, Windows Phone 7 Series may not be possible on the HD2 because of the actual button configuration.
Guys/Gals, please see post #28 via this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=637919&page=3
Let me know your thougts/opinions.
Thank you.

I don't like this phone too. It's typical LG-phone and there is nothing new in the phone.

It's really ugly. Can't wait for the first HTC WP7 phone (with a qwerty)

what is with WP7s and the words coming off the screen???? they are trying to be trend setters but it just looks tacky and unfinished!

Windows Phone 7 Series device from Samsung is just a hacked i8910 HD

engadget dot com/2010/03/16/windows-phone-7-series-device-from-samsung-is-just-a-hacked-i891/
What does this mean for chances of W7S on the HD2? I'm a complete noob here. Please don't bash me too bad if this is a dumb question. It seems the i891 meets even fewer of the WP7 specifications than the HD2!!!
Sorry, cant post links

Now that's creepy. Microsoft better not be playing a bunch of people. If Windows can run on lower-grade devices, it better be released for them too.

That may be true- but I think its going to be optimised over its life before its released so it will be a different device.
WM7 is more about standards, and things have to have lots of stuff to be allowed to use it- which makes sence.

Is it possible that Microsoft are shunning HTC because they've focused more on Android than Win Mo in the past year?

i think its the same body as the i8910 HD but they might have updated the internals. i.e. processor, RAM, ROM ..

brummiesteven said:
Is it possible that Microsoft are shunning HTC because they've focused more on Android than Win Mo in the past year?
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OR maybe it's HTC wanting to provide phones for the business end of the consumer spectrum and thus staying far away from WP7 and instead going with android.

The device in question is a prototype that will NOT go on sale; I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from this.

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A prototype using existing hardware for an OS that should not run without a magical "video scaler"...good going M$. What a nose dive. It's all about pushing over priced phones now. Where did the pda concept go? You killed it.

I guess my point is, if it can run on this phone, why not the HD2?

The phone is hacked, the screen size is obviously different.

the fact that they look the same doesnt mean that they are the same
first of all, the bottom part of the phone shown at mix is longer
second, the distance between "samsung" label and screen is obviously bigger
they just put the hardware in a shell just to have something to demonstrate.
its like taking your hard drive and sticking it into a case to make it portable

skylinepigeon said:
I guess my point is, if it can run on this phone, why not the HD2?
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Because they can make more money with new HD2 + new hardware buttons + 7 Series OS (this world has bad sides I know)
I accepted that the HD2 will not get 7 Series, because there really are a few good reasons. The HD2 does not meat at least 3 to 4 requirements.
BUT, then I see this...
Anyway, I am moving to Android in April/May.

XDA mark said:
Because they can make more money with new HD2 + new hardware buttons + 7 Series OS (this world has bad sides I know)
I accepted that the HD2 will not get 7 Series, because there really are a few good reasons. The HD2 does not meat at least 3 to 4 requirements.
BUT, then I see this...
Anyway, I am moving to Android in April/May.
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what are the 3 of 4 requirements

hoss_n2 said:
what are the 3 of 4 requirements
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The HD2 has no search button, no hardware camera button, no dedicated power button, half a gigabyte of flash memory when the minimum requirement is 8GB, and has an SD card reader which is banned on WP7S devices. In addition there is a significant question-mark over whether the touch-screen is capable of registering the necessary four independent points of contact, and some doubt as to whether it has the necessary non-GPU-based hardware image scaler.

just found this..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649068:cool:

[Q] Similar App - SGS Touchscreen Booster.

Hi I recently came came across this app so haven't used it. Looks very intriguing though.
Is there any chance we will get this for our phone?
Link: http://market.android.com/details?id=br.shop4apps.touchscreenbooster.com
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You've tried it on your SGS2? I did, but it seems that none of the modifications make that much of a difference, unfortunately . Pretty weird, since the Galaxy S 2 uses, from what I know, exactly the same touch screen as its predecessor (Amtel MaxTouch or something).
Wonder how much effort a port would cost.

It seems samsung patched that on 2.3.3. After updated to jv5, touchscreen booster don't work on my sgs1 too.

Unfortunately, I have never used this apk on my Samsung galaxy s 1. So I wonder; does this screen booster make your phone get rid of the split second screen delay? (Noticeable when you navigate very slowly with your finger on a webpage, 0.3~0.5 seconds after you initiated your gesture the screen jumps to your finger and starts following. If so, then this phone is on the same level of smoothness as the iOS devices (well, that's what I think).

I don't know if anyone else noticed but the SGSII also has Touchscreen lag(a pretty bad lag I would say, around 0.1-0.2sec delay).
The lag is VERY VERY noticeable when playing games which needs fast response like Fruitninja, Modern Combat 2 etc.
On my old DHD and iPad these games were really enjoyable with 0 lag! Hopefully some Devs can look into it and find a way to fix it.
Well..for now i guess i will just wait and pray.

alanjp168 said:
I don't know if anyone else noticed but the SGSII also has Touchscreen lag(a pretty bad lag I would say, around 0.1-0.2sec delay).
The lag is VERY VERY noticeable when playing games which needs fast response like Fruitninja, Modern Combat 2 etc.
On my old DHD and iPad these games were really enjoyable with 0 lag! Hopefully some Devs can look into it and find a way to fix it.
Well..for now i guess i will just wait and pray.
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thats true lag is definetly here. Very easy to notice when playing Impossible Game. On my previous SGS playing was much easier.
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The app is actually working... when I set it to Super Optimized I can see a difference! People in the comments write that it also works on other devices...
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d3sm0nd said:
The app is actually working... when I set it to Super Optimized I can see a difference! People in the comments write that it also works on other devices...
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That is false, I tested it and it does not work. To verify this, install "Multitouch Tester" from market and run it(maybe any other touchscreen test tool will do). You can easily see the lag while sliding your finger over the screen, cuz the circle simply cannot catch up.
And this lag does not exit in DHD or any other LCD devices i guess. Hope it is not an AMOLED input lag.

I wouldn't say the touchscreen is slow, it's actually very fluid in tracing your movements. But try and tap on your screen in the touch-viz app, tapping quickly; I can manage to touch the screen without registering a touch... No doubt there is a slight delay. But I it's not a deriving from the use AMOLED screen technology, others android devices I've seen suffer from this delay as well. I guess it's just part of the overall android touch calibration. Most touchscreens mange to house response times below 0,001 ms I once read~
Btw. People in different forums are complaining about the slight delay as well. For some of them the delay is even more noticeable. Maybe a future firmware update can solve this “potential downfall”.

Lecctro said:
Btw. People in different forums are complaining about the slight delay as well. For some of them the delay is even more noticeable. Maybe a future firmware update can solve this “potential downfall”.
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I certainly hope so!
BTW this is what Samsung avertises on their website. But in reality the response time is no where near fast.
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alanjp168 said:
I certainly hope so!
BTW this is what Samsung avertises on their website. But in reality the response time is no where near fast.
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Samsung is talking about the claimed sub-1ms display response time of the SAMOLED+ display itself - this has nothing to do with the touch substrate or its related delays.
All displays have some delay from the time the GPU sends a signal until it is shown onscreen. Sammy claims that this screen is among the fastest ever put into a device. For reference, good desktop gaming displays aren't that fast in response time, nor are good HDTVs.

Nokia's First WM7 Device

Looks like Nokia's first Windows Phone has been leaked by the CEO no less. It looks a lot like the recently announced N9, but no word on what the internal specs are. It will have to blow the current generation of phones out of the water for me to give up the Super AMOLED screen on my Focus.

i didn't see any windows buttons. In the video he didn't actually turn it on.
Who knows

Full video can be found here:
http://www.technet.hu/telefon/20110624/exkluziv_video_elop_bemutatja_az_elso_windowsos_nokiat/

vetvito said:
i didn't see any windows buttons. In the video he didn't actually turn it on.
Who knows
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yeah the lack of front 3 buttons was what I was wondering about as well.

Hmm can't get the full video to load, but it's about time we get a peak of a Nokia WP7 phone. Can't wait!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M1wC0pS_No
Here you go, enjoy

So does anyone know if this would work on Sprint if it had the same quadband CDMA radios as the meego version? Because I would buy this immediately, if that were the case.
PS - In the long version he turns it on, and another guy comes out and demoes it.

Thanks for the links.
Looking at this unreleased phone, and looking at the already released HTC sensation 4g. All I can say is, Microsoft is in deep ****.
Deep, deep, deep ****. SMFH.

Microsoft is in a very poor situation with regard to WP7, trying to push a new OS to a market which isn't exactly dying for one, needing hundreds of phones and friendly distribution, but the video doesn't make it any worse.

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nokia nb66

Why were they still recording when he asked everyone to switch off their camera?

Should be more coming as well.

but the here's my question....will it have a FF camera? that's the only thing I want in my next windows phone and well mango too

That's.... kinda ugly at first glance.
I don't particularly enjoy the Nx designs. Sad to see them sticking with it for wp7.
ALTHOUGH I do like the boxiness aspect. I think rounded edges are old school, boxiness is a good thing design-wise.

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I think rounded edges are old school, boxiness is a good thing design-wise.
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Or, you could say that rounded phones are a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Pulling a square-edged, boxy phone out of my pocket can be a real pain, but a phone that has nice rounded corners is not a problem at all.
And personally, boxy = ugly to me.

RoboDad said:
Or, you could say that rounded phones are a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Pulling a square-edged, boxy phone out of my pocket can be a real pain, but a phone that has nice rounded corners is not a problem at all.
And personally, boxy = ugly to me.
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Hmm never thought of it that way. Would never have thought of that as I've never owned one without rounded edges.

sumdumdude said:
Looks like Nokia's first Windows Phone has been leaked by the CEO no less. It looks a lot like the recently announced N9, but no word on what the internal specs are. It will have to blow the current generation of phones out of the water for me to give up the Super AMOLED screen on my Focus.
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I like it. I like the N9 and think this model would make a good WP7 device.

vetvito said:
Thanks for the links.
Looking at this unreleased phone, and looking at the already released HTC sensation 4g. All I can say is, Microsoft is in deep ****.
Deep, deep, deep ****. SMFH.
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Yeah, the Sensation is aptly named. I would love to have one. But I can't see anything wrong with this WP7 Nokia device. Imagine it in some other colors.

SteveChou said:
nokia nb66
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Those on screen buttons are nasty looking, I can see myself now always accidentally hitting them trying to play a game or something. plz bring something else Nokia, because that is not what I want at all

havox22 said:
Those on screen buttons are nasty looking, I can see myself now always accidentally hitting them trying to play a game or something. plz bring something else Nokia, because that is not what I want at all
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Since they are on-screen buttons, they can be minimized or disappear altogether during a game or open app. This would completely eliminate the accidental press of these buttons.

[Q] upgradeability ,text sharpness and screen burn in?

hi,
as someone who wants to finally board the android train, and is particulary impressed by the note's concept, i was waiting for thw GN2 to be avilablele, but i have a few questions:
1. i intend to use my next device for approximately 2-3 years. i've read here about concerns regarding the GN2's "outdated" hardware. normally it wouldn't bother me, but it's my understanding that the A15 is a huge leap forward, and in light of HTC's announcement about updating only to 2012 devices, i wonder if the A15's could become the new standard and when key lime pie (or the next one) comes, it would be too demanding in samsung's eyes and it won't be officially supported. in addition, some devs. dropping development for exynous based phones combined with the fact that afaik, CM doesn't support the s-pen's features (which are a main part of why i chose this device) may leave it behind for me. is it reasonale to expect at least 2 years of support by samsung?
2. has anyone used the handwriting recognition to solve math problems (i.e. infinitisimal calculus)? does it work well?
3. how much time can i keep the screen on wih a still background before i risk screen burn in?
4. does the screen appear not so sharp while viewing text, due to the somewhat low pixel density?
5. i've read here a comment about the note 3 supposedly released on march 2013. is that a popular\ reasonable opinion?
thanks a lot for the patience reading this post, and in advance for your much needed help!!

Two years of support will definitely happen. The old Note 1 is still getting updates, and recently includes the multi-tasking sidebar.
I've used the handwriting with equation inputs. It does not solve calculus for you. You just get to input it.
Not sure about burn in. But on HDAMOLED screens. I've heard upwards of 2 years on moderate usage.
The PPI thing is personal preference. I came from iPhone 4, and while the Note 2 PPI is lower. It does make up with its monster display.
Note 3 rumours need to be taken with a pinch of salt. I don't see it happening. Although anything can happen. There are credible reports of Apple releasing i5S as soon as feb or march.

I can only comment on text sharpness. And in my opinion it is perfectly fine. Words still look great when zoomed in etc. All the round letters look round abd not jagged
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AjunNg said:
Two years of support will definitely happen. The old Note 1 is still getting updates, and recently includes the multi-tasking sidebar.
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that's very reassuring. does "support" usually mean implimentation of certain features or the full ver. of android?
AjunNg said:
I've used the handwriting with equation inputs. It does not solve calculus for you. You just get to input it.
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i read about the partnership with wolfram alpha, since i check many of my results on their site and given the note's ability to recognize handwriting, i thought it would save me a lot of time. is it not possible or did you not try it on wolfram alpha?

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that's very reassuring. does "support" usually mean implimentation of certain features or the full ver. of android?
i read about the partnership with wolfram alpha, since i check many of my results on their site and given the note's ability to recognize handwriting, i thought it would save me a lot of time. is it not possible or did you not try it on wolfram alpha?
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full version of android. seems like my old galaxy s2 will still receive full jelly bean even though it is 1 1/2 years old. Samsung is actually quite good with updates compared to other oems (except google and apple of course)
I used s note with wolfram alpha a little. It does work flawlessly for what I tried. Didn't try it excessively though.

lolmensch said:
I used s note with wolfram alpha a little. It does work flawlessly for what I tried. Didn't try it excessively though.
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thanks for the rapid responses!
since it's pretty much why i need the s pen, can anyone with n7100 try to write some short random integral/ derivative with Exponentiation with the s-pen to see if wolfram can use it? it would erase every shred of doubt i have, and assert this phone as the chosen one..

a-a said:
thanks for the rapid responses!
since it's pretty much why i need the s pen, can anyone with n7100 try to write some short random integral/ derivative with Exponentiation with the s-pen to see if wolfram can use it? it would erase every shred of doubt i have, and assert this phone as the chosen one..
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Seems to work just fine.
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thanks! the recognition works really well.. where can i see the solution?

a-a said:
thanks! the recognition works really well.. where can i see the solution?
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The search button (the one with the questionmark) takes you to the solution at wolfram alpha.