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...any luck? any radio updates for this?
I am a US TMobile subscriber, and here's what I know:
TMobile has only released 3G in a handful of cities, including NY, Vegas, and Houston (or maybe it was Austin).
Tmobile US runs on UMTS 1700/2100.
The Euro version of the Diamond runs on UMTS 900/2100. However, this 2100 band is supposedly "different" and will not run on TMobile US.
And the US version of the Diamond runs on UMTS 850/1900, which is what AT&T uses, and that won't work on the TMobile 3G network.
Long story short: no you won't get 3G with TMobile.
I have gotten 3g to work on tmobile but not in nyc. It was actually in central nj by philly. I took a few screenshots but not uploaded them yet. i got radio 1.25.05.
Great, could you please post the screenshots as well as your ROM version?
Dimond supposedly supports 1700 so not all is lost I think.
Krad said:
I have gotten 3g to work on tmobile but not in nyc. It was actually in central nj by philly. I took a few screenshots but not uploaded them yet. i got radio 1.25.05.
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do you have an european diamond??
I'm sure if it's true, we'll get more confirmations to back him up.
http://tmonews.com/2008/09/t-mobile-officially-announces-3g-cities/
Might road-trip to vegas to find out.
Charly_mx
mi HTC es para Europa, DIAM100
tu tienes el DIAM110 para USA?
I just got my "US version" and it's WCDMA 850/1900...
And I can see "G" icon coming up in "some" place.
But most of time, I only can get "E"....
I am sure my city already got T-mobile 3G service,
Because my friend who got a T-Mobile NOKIA 5610 ( 850/2100 ? )
His phone can always get a "G" coming up, and we tested the up/down speed
it's 153 / 42 kbps something.
I really want to know how to make mine working.
G is actually bad, it means GPRS not even EDGE (E) and the speed you posted is way to low for the 3G which should be a few MBPS actually.
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I just got my "US version" and it's WCDMA 850/1900...
And I can see "G" icon coming up in "some" place.
But most of time, I only can get "E"....
I am sure my city already got T-mobile 3G service,
Because my friend who got a T-Mobile NOKIA 5610 ( 850/2100 ? )
His phone can always get a "G" coming up, and we tested the up/down speed
it's 153 / 42 kbps something.
I really want to know how to make mine working.
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Victor, the "G" is GPRS, not 3G. "E" is EDGE, which is a bit faster than GPRS.
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Victor, the "G" is GPRS, not 3G. "E" is EDGE, which is a bit faster than GPRS.
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I got G... but when I went to the info on top it didn't say GPRS... it said T-Mobile 3G...
I have a htc diamond 3700 DIA100.
Same as above post, I get G sporadic around philly, but it says 3G not GPRS in the info.
I think that's just the name of the data network. Your actual data connection would have a 3G icon if it were 3G.
my diamond is from hong kong.
i have t-mobile and live in new york city.
when i look at the top of the screen i see the [E] icon, and next to that, the signal bars with an E above them.
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I just got my "US version" and it's WCDMA 850/1900...
And I can see "G" icon coming up in "some" place.
But most of time, I only can get "E"....
I am sure my city already got T-mobile 3G service,
Because my friend who got a T-Mobile NOKIA 5610 ( 850/2100 ? )
His phone can always get a "G" coming up, and we tested the up/down speed
it's 153 / 42 kbps something.
I really want to know how to make mine working.
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just curious, how did you get the US version
victortung said:
I just got my "US version" and it's WCDMA 850/1900...
And I can see "G" icon coming up in "some" place.
But most of time, I only can get "E"....
I am sure my city already got T-mobile 3G service,
Because my friend who got a T-Mobile NOKIA 5610 ( 850/2100 ? )
His phone can always get a "G" coming up, and we tested the up/down speed
it's 153 / 42 kbps something.
I really want to know how to make mine working.
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I don't think the WCDMA work on 3G networks. Different technology. I also don't think the regular US GSM phone will work on the tmobile network. Different wireless bands from AT&T...
I don't think any of the Diamond (US/Euro version) will work with US T-Mobile 3G, only PDA phone that I am aware of is the SonyEricsson X1 with 1700/2100 band.
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I don't think the WCDMA work on 3G networks. Different technology. I also don't think the regular US GSM phone will work on the tmobile network. Different wireless bands from AT&T...
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WCDMA is the air interface used by UMTS & HSDPA so it is what we need/use for 3G on AT&T (and T-Mobile - just on a different frequency.)
On all WM phones I've owned I've never seen the choise of choosing UMTS or HSDPA in phone settings. You always get either AUTO, GSM (straight GSM or EDGE) or WCDMA (UMTS or HSDPA). And, when choosing WCDMA I will get HSDPA (as long as I'm in an area with it, of course.)
Anyone know if they will be releasing an unlocked version for the US carriers? I would get the European version myself, as 3g isn't a big deal for me, but what gives me concern is the Wall charger doesn't include a US plug. Im sure this is a small deal considering i could proly just buy a standard HTC charger, but im just curious if they will be having an unlocked that will both include the US charger, and work on US 3g networks.
no word yet hua?
Why do you think the European model won't work on U.S. 3G networks?
European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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HTC.com sez...
Network:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.) BUT...
3G networks are running the 850Mhz in the U.S. We already knew that the HTC Touch Pro2 would sport 3G frequency support in the 900Mhz and 2100Mhz WCDMA bands, but the 850Mhz WCDMA band isn't yet available.
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European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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I have been on a number of blogs for the TP2 and they are seem to be in agreement that the European TP2 will only work over the EDGE network in US...
Personally, I am currently an iPhone user, but my wife is driving me crazy waiting for this US version!
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HTC.com sez...
Network:
HSPA/WCDMA:
Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz
Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
(Band frequency, HSPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.) BUT...
3G networks are running the 850Mhz in the U.S. We already knew that the HTC Touch Pro2 would sport 3G frequency support in the 900Mhz and 2100Mhz WCDMA bands, but the 850Mhz WCDMA band isn't yet available.
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Here is a good story on MSNBC.com on the various 3G standards. It is dated last Sept. but it is still good.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26511322/
uk/europe model will only work on edge in US. devicewire have done a detailed review on a europe model and could only get edge. to get 3g will need to wait for official model for that region.
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European 3G I believe works on the 1900 MHz band (supported by the Touch Pro 2). U.S. 3G operates on the 850 MHz band (also supported by the Touch Pro 2). By technical standards, this should work fine in the U.S. on the 3G band.
As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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Actually you have it awry. European 3G runs on 2100mhz not 1900. U.S 3G runs on 850/1900mhz.
If you go to HTC's site, the TP2 Euro model will do GSM/GPRS/EDGE on 1900mhz. SO if O.P imports a Euro version, he could use it on EDGE or he could just wait for the AT&T version. T-mobile USA's 3G runs on 1700mhz though.
T-mobile USA's 3G requires both 1700mhz and 2100mhz. Suppose to be hear around July 22nd...
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As far as the charger goes, yes, that is a concern. But I don't doubt that somewhere in your house you've got a miniUSB charger lying around. If not, your local Wal-Mart/Target/Radio-Shack/Best Buy will have a million of them.
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Standard mini usb cables, yes and i also am aware i can also just charge the thing using the included USB cable. What im asking about is the WALL charger. If HTC uses thier standard USB-mini cable that is on a good chunk of their devices, including the HD/ Tilt/Diamond ect.. im sure finding a US charger wont be that hard.
Also, i was asking about an Unlocked US version, i do not intend to get one though the carrier as i dont want a modified version that they lock down. Nor do i care to wait till the fall when AT&T gets off their duffs to finally release it.
In any event, im just keeping my ear open and seeing what the grapevine heard about it.
Sorry guys. My bad.
I was confusing the specifications thinking that HTC would at least be smart enough to include full support for all markets. I was reading the Quad-Band GSM as support for HSPA/3G bands. I was totally bypassing the HSPA/WCDMA dual-band specification.
Chalk it up to a mix of wishful thinking and childish excitement. That does, however, kick the crap out of my week. Only HTC can bring me down this hard.
Well, I guess ATT got approved for theirs. Now the only question remains is, will their be an unlocked US version that supports 3g? or will we have to get the European version?
I'm in Taiwan for Computex and am so tempted to buy a touch pro 2 here. I would wait for the AT&T version but after seeing they changed the keyboard I want the HTC model. Only reason I haven't picked one up yet is because it only gets edge in the US on AT&T.
Does anyone know if the hardware cannot physically work on at&t's 3g bands or do we just have to wait for the at&t version to come out so the radio can be copied over or something. Thanks!
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I'm in Taiwan for Computex and am so tempted to buy a touch pro 2 here. I would wait for the AT&T version but after seeing they changed the keyboard I want the HTC model. Only reason I haven't picked one up yet is because it only gets edge in the US on AT&T.
Does anyone know if the hardware cannot physically work on at&t's 3g bands or do we just have to wait for the at&t version to come out so the radio can be copied over or something. Thanks!
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The hardware physically cannot handle it. The Euro/Asian model only supports 3G on the European and Asian bands which are completely different frequencies from the ones used in the U.S. It's definitely not just a matter of software.
And I think we all need to be clear that no one has any idea what the AT&T keyboard will actually look like. The promotional material we have all seen and discussed ad nauseum is a slap-together of the HTC mockup with AT&T's promotional verbage. Even the promotional bullet points list that the "HTC Fortress" has a 5 row keyboard while the mockup picture shows a 4 row keyboard. That picture, at this point, means pretty much nothing at all.
I see, Ill hold off then. Its kinda hard to justify ~$800 on a phone here anyways that doesn't have a warranty in the states. Thanks for the help!
Will the US Unlocked Version have the secondary VGA camera for video conferencing like the European one does?
What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
I'm currently with Sprint and want to switch to a GSM provider.
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Will the US Unlocked Version have the secondary VGA camera for video conferencing like the European one does?
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no, the us carriers don't support that feature => no front facing camera.
sad but true.
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What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
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the carrier phones usually come with some sort of branding (software: e.g. sprint tv application / hardware: different battery cover, different keyboard layout and so on)
This can either be an advantage or a disadvantage...
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What is the advantage of getting a carrier specific phone (AT&T or T-Mobile) as opposed to a US Unlocked phone outside of price?
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Having 3G capabilities vs. Edge only!
iodaed said:
no, the us carriers don't support that feature => no front facing camera.
sad but true.
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galaxys said:
Having 3G capabilities vs. Edge only!
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So basically what I was hoping for in terms of a 3G phone with a front facing camera won't happen this round.
Is anyone using the A8181 on USA EDGE network. Would it be possible to post your download and upload speeds? I have one coming in the mail and I haven't decided what to do with it.
I am thinking of selling it to get a Nexus One, which I sold to get a Slide.
is 900kbs/sec out of the question for edge? 1mb?
Yes, 900 kb/sec is out of the question for edge.
EDGE (Enhanced Data rates for GSM Evolution) or EGPRS provides data transfer rates significantly faster than GPRS or HSCSD. EDGE increases the speed of each timeslot to 48 kbps and allows the use of up to 8 timeslots, giving a maximum data transfer rate of 384 kbps.
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Source
Remember, that is max possible speed. The real-life speed is much lower.
Thank you. I don't think I can live with 328 max. My slide is getting 3000+, on the new updates. That is in the peak in city though, in my neighborhood I average 1200 or so. Looks like I will never get to know the Desire.
You didn't understand what I quoted. That is the max speed of EDGE technology, it has nothing to do with Desire, Slide, or whatever. That is the technology capacity.
Are you sure Slide is on EDGE and not on 3G or HSDPA?
My mistake, I understood. I forgot to tell you my service provider, sorry. I have a USA t-mobile and I pay for 3G service.
If I use the A8181 in the USA it will only get EDGE, SO FOR ME**key words** it will not go faster than the EDGE technology will allow it.
On my slide I am able to pick up USA 3g and hsdpa+ as you can tell from the speeds I listed
My low end speeds are around 700 and that would have been enough hypothetically. But I am an idiot, because I should just disable my 3G and run an edge test from my own neighborhood.
Thank you again though, you gave me EXACTLY the answer i was looking for, and quickly.
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My mistake, I understood. I forgot to tell you my service provider, sorry. I have a USA t-mobile and I pay for 3G service.
If I use the A8181 in the USA it will only get EDGE, SO FOR ME**key words** it will not go faster than the EDGE technology will allow it.
On my slide I am able to pick up USA 3g and hsdpa+ as you can tell from the speeds I listed
My low end speeds are around 700 and that would have been enough hypothetically. But I am an idiot, because I should just disable my 3G and run an edge test from my own neighborhood.
Thank you again though, you gave me EXACTLY the answer i was looking for, and quickly.
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Doesn't the A8183 work with T-Mobile 3G?
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Doesn't the A8183 work with T-Mobile 3G?
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I wish man. The A8183 will work on USA ATT 3G. I am stuck with T-mobile.
If I had ATT I would look into the A8183 for sure.
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I wish man. The A8183 will work on USA ATT 3G. I am stuck with T-mobile.
If I had ATT I would look into the A8183 for sure.
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I have a A8183 that I bought in London and use it here in the US on AT&T...no 3G only EDGE.
3G bands on this phone are limited to 900/2100, AT&T uses 850 and 1900.
A8183 is the Aussie model, not the Euro model, which is A8181.
A8183 = 850/1900mhz 3G
A8181 = 900/2100mhz 3G
Actually if you look online the A8183 uses 850/2100 bands for the Data.
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Actually if you look online the A8183 uses 850/2100 bands for the Data.
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Oops, you are correct.
A8183 on US 3G
Is AT&T the only US 3G network that the A8183 will work on ?
I ask because I am trying to find a phone (ideally a Desire) that will work on UK 3G and US 3G.
The A8183 does 850/2100 which I believe will let me do this ?
thanks
Alternatively, you could get a Nexus One as this will work on TMo in the US, and on UK networks.
Regards,
Dave
Looked everywhere but have only found a few comments mainly regarding the AT&T network.
I have a AT&T branded Tilt-2 with TP2_Core_Cell_Evo_V3.1_(23127) and am on the T-mobile network.
In my area we have HSDPA and 3G, and my HTC 3G Dash shows those connections and runs from 583K up to 898K.
My Tilt2 on the other hand runs between 36K and a max of 156K (usually its under 50K)
I have tried everything and a ton of different radios and nothing seems to help.
I can't believe I am the only one, and I am sure its in the forum but I havent been able to find it and I have been looking for 2 days now. Does ANYONE know if there is a solution to this or am I stuck with a great looking phone and ROM that is slower than my old HTC Universal.
So I am starting this thread with the keywords in the title to help others find the info/help/cab/settings to fix this issue.
Any help would be appreciated..
Charles
Can I assume from the deafening silence that there is no solution and this would be why I couldn't find anything when I was searching all over the forums.
I thought AT&T and T-mobile use different bands for their 3G...haven't met anyone yet that can switch between these two and get the others' 3G service to work on the phone from the other...only Edge.
Yep, 3G are are different bands and AT&T's unique.
Most likely, hardware limit and T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 version is what you wanted.
However, for my Tilt 2, I use AT&T Prepaid Pay-as-you-go and get full 3G service and for $20 get 30 days of 100MB data at full speed. The Pay-as-you-go offers a $3.00 per day for unlimited calls during 24 hour period when you choose plan.
But the settings on the phone even show the 2100MHZ band and other stuff.. thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks. I guess that must mean the phones are but not the data portion of the phone.
So it would seem I have a really nice looking phone thats about as functional as a Windows 7 computer with a 56K dialup modem. Great...
Anyone on AT&T and have a T-mobile Touch Pro2 that they would like to swap with me.
when you talk about gsm (gprs/edge/2g), there are 4 bands and pretty much all devices can work on those. when it comes to umts (3g/hspa encap) thats where proprietary bands come in. word wide you will have the 900 and 2100 bands, att uses the 850 and 1900 bands, and tmobile uses 1700. what bands a phone is capable of running on depends on the baseband hardware in the phone. theres no way to change this without basically swapping the phone out for the carrier branded device.
cdma like sprint and verizon is another monster...
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thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks.
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They do, but working and working optimally are 2 different things. You should always buy a phone to work on the network you use regularly, and be happy it works at all on others when you travel.
Live and learn..
I wonder if anyone out there in the community has a TouchPro2 that they got for use on AT&T and would like to swap..?
Charles
Can't get 3G Either
I'm using an unlocked HTC Touch Pro 2 (Euro Version) on T-Mobile and can only get Edge. The funny hting is that T-mobile is stumped on the issue even though they've seen that I'm using an HTC Touch Pro 2, not the branded T-Mo version. I just started looking into hardware differences tonight and will post whatever I find. I'm glad you started the thread.
T-Mobile HSPA bands
Just confirmed my suspicions.
The branded T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 operates on HSPA/WCDMA on the following bands: 1700/2100 MHz.
The HTC Touch Pro 2 (unbranded) operates on HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz.
So, if you want 3G, you need to stick with the T-Mobile branded phone.
Wow...I never thought I'd hear myself saying those words. *sigh* =(
I actually have a t-mobile branded HTC Touch Pro 2 I use on ATT, if you really wanna swap I'm totally down for that. My email is [email protected] shoot me a message and lets work out how to go about this.
I will be finishing my contract with VZ in about 2 months and I have seriously been considering getting a R800at (AT&T Xperia PLAY) and unlocking the bootloader to also remove the simlock. So that I can use it on T-Mobile here where I live. VZ has sucky service in my area and I hate them anyways.
My question is are there anyone people here using the AT&T 4G (I know its not 4G but 3.5G Xperia PLAY) on T-Mobile and with TMo converting their 2G to AT&T 3G compatibility are you able to use the 3G service on your PLAYs?
I know the service coverage is all subjective to where you live, just curious if anyone is doing this and what their feedback / thoughts are on it.
Thank you in advance
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I will be finishing my contract with VZ in about 2 months and I have seriously been considering getting a R800at (AT&T Xperia PLAY) and unlocking the bootloader to also remove the simlock. So that I can use it on T-Mobile here where I live. VZ has sucky service in my area and I hate them anyways.
My question is are there anyone people here using the AT&T 4G (I know its not 4G but 3.5G Xperia PLAY) on T-Mobile and with TMo converting their 2G to AT&T 3G compatibility are you able to use the 3G service on your PLAYs?
I know the service coverage is all subjective to where you live, just curious if anyone is doing this and what their feedback / thoughts are on it.
Thank you in advance
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I have the R800a on T-mobile USA and im stuck on Edge which is 2g. If you want 4G or 3.5G for your play your stuck with At&t otherwise if you go to t-mobile usa your stuck with 2g on your R800at the same boat as me.
I get 4g fine with an att sim on straight talk but sadly only 2g with t mobile sim. Suppose it doesn't matter to me though since in using r800i firmware. Stuck on 3g
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I get 4g fine with an att sim on straight talk but sadly only 2g with t mobile sim. Suppose it doesn't matter to me though since in using r800i firmware. Stuck on 3g
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Straight supports at&t frequences and towers.
ozzmanj1 said:
I will be finishing my contract with VZ in about 2 months and I have seriously been considering getting a R800at (AT&T Xperia PLAY) and unlocking the bootloader to also remove the simlock. So that I can use it on T-Mobile here where I live. VZ has sucky service in my area and I hate them anyways.
My question is are there anyone people here using the AT&T 4G (I know its not 4G but 3.5G Xperia PLAY) on T-Mobile and with TMo converting their 2G to AT&T 3G compatibility are you able to use the 3G service on your PLAYs?
I know the service coverage is all subjective to where you live, just curious if anyone is doing this and what their feedback / thoughts are on it.
Thank you in advance
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Have you considered using your 800X on another CDMA network instead of buying an 800AT?
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Have you considered using your 800X on another CDMA network instead of buying an 800AT?
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No. Most of my family has switched to tmobile. That and I can get an awesome rate as I have a relative who can hook us up n
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No. Most of my family has switched to tmobile. That and I can get an awesome rate as I have a relative who can hook us up n
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An awesome rate stuck on 2G doesn't sound worth it to me.
I would look into: Sprint, Boost Mobile, Metro PCS.
(Not sure if Virgin Mobile and Straight Talk are CDMA tho)
There's a list of current locations where T-Mobile support the 1900MHz band, you'll have to check it to make sure you're in one of those area, and to be on the safe side, not on the edge but within the city zone. http://www.androidcentral.com/tags/t-mobile
I live in Miami which is one of the supported location so I did exactly that. I cancelled my LG Nexus 4 preorder since it's taking a long time to ship and bought an R800i, talk about vast gap in performance. I will report on it once it get here, but I'm already certain it'll work in my area since already tested it on other devices.
Not sure if it's possible to unlock the R800at through Sony website method though.
I'm using the $30 100min and 5gb T-Mobile plan, usually keep an extra $10 deposited which give an extra 100min, and using the Vonage app to make free outgoing VoIP call.
Sent from my R800x
*Edit Note: R800i do not work on ATT nor T-Mobile 3G!
eksasol said:
There's a list of current locations where T-Mobile support the 1900MHz band, you'll have to check it to make sure you're in one of those area, and to be on the safe side, not on the edge but within the city zone. http://www.androidcentral.com/tags/t-mobile
I live in Miami which is one of the supported location so I did exactly that. I cancelled my LG Nexus 4 preorder since it's taking a long time to ship and bought an R800i, talk about vast gap in performance. I will report on it once it get here, but I'm already certain it'll work in my area since already tested it on other devices.
Not sure if it's possible to unlock the R800at through Sony website method though.
I'm using the $30 100min and 5gb T-Mobile plan, usually keep an extra $10 deposited which give an extra 100min, and using the Vonage app to make free outgoing VoIP call.
Sent from my R800x
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My brother works for HP, but knows the Utah state Region Director. (Southern ID, and UT) With the deal I would be able to get a plan with 5 lines, 3 with 500 minutes and up to 5gb of data on each, then 200 minutes on the last two phones with only 200mb of data. As it would only be my wife and I, we would be able to set it up for about $45 for both phones with the 500 each, and 5gb of data for about $50-55 a month. Currently we are paying $120 a month for VZ and its service blows.
Yes, currently where I live there is no converted 2G from T-Mobile but eventually it will roll out. I am pretty sure I can live with 2G until its converted, couldnt be any slower then VZ where I live (50-70kbps)
Did some digging, this is T-Mobile USA's spectrum chart for 2G
850 MHz/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA 2G/3G
1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ 3G/4G
AT&T Spectrum
Frequencies used on the AT&T Network
850 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
850 MHz UMTS/HSPA 3G
1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA 3G
I realize that T-Mobile service is again, subjective, but I really do love this phone and despite borrowing a S3 for about a week, and a couple other phones, I really just dont have a strong desire to jump to another phone. I really enjoy this phone for what it was designed, gaming. And each time i use a a phone to play touchscreen gaming I want to scream.
On a side note, the Region Director did mention that he estimate sometime between second to 3rd quarter of next year where I live we should go live on the 2G conversion.
Actually 2G atleast on T-Mobile is more like average of 20-30kbps, at least from my experience. You will be able to use email and xda app, and slow webbrowsing, and Google Maps. Downloading apps from the Play Store is out of the question unless its small or you want to wait long.
Edit Note: Actually the speed is faster at 80-100kbps after speedtest.
I was considering rebuying the unlocked version of the S3 as well because of this 1900mhz support, but then there is a thread in its forum with tons of people S3 having hardware death.
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eksasol said:
Actually 2G atleast on T-Mobile is more like average of 20-30kbps, at least from my experience. You will be able to use email and xda app, and slow webbrowsing, and Google Maps. Downloading apps from the Play Store is out of the question unless its small or you want to wait long.
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As I am always around wifi, at home and or at work (I work about 60 hours a week) I dont generally download from the PLAY store via 3G. And its not VZ's terribly slow data that driving me nuts its their service, I have had so many dropped calls, my wife too (Droid X)
But I guess what I am asking is, when the conversion is completed in my area, would I then be able to have 3G on this device? I guess we wont know for sure until it happens, but again T-Mobile did start converting it to give unlocked iphones on their service 3G.... and to free up spectrum for the planned rollout of their own LTE network.
I will let you know when I get my R800i in a few days, but I'm pretty certain of it. Many people have been utilizing this such as ATT iPhone owners and T-Mobile 3G worked on my Samsung Captivate.
Edit Note: Found out the R800i do not work with ATT nor T-Mobile 3G, but an unlocked R800at does.
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eksasol said:
I will let you know when I get my R800i in a few days, buy I'm pretty certain of it. Many people have been utilizing this such as ATT iPhone owners and T-Mobile 3G worked on my Samsung Captivate.
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You mention R800i. While I am looking at the R800at. Should I be looking into the R800i rather then the R800at for T-Mobile in the USA?
Also any feedback you can provide when you get your R800i would be appreciated.
Here is whats listed as the bands for the R800i:
Band
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 (Quadband)
So guessing that with those bands in mind I should be looking into the R800i if I want to utilize T-Mobile USA's 3G network, and perhaps even maybe their 3.5...?
Actually the bands you listed are GSM bands, GSM are 2G.
The 3G bands for ATT and on the R800at are: 850/1900/2100MHz. Either having 850 and/or 1900 + 2100 support will get you 3G.
For T-Mobile, 3G bands are: 1700/2100 (known as AWS or UMTS). Some area have support for 1900 like we discussed. This is where the interlap come in and where unlocked phones that support 1900/2100 bands can get 3G on both T-Mobile and ATT.
There are different levels of 3G, the coverage area might be different. Lowest level usually is UMTS, have the widest coverage and use less battery, but slowest speed, I usually get an average of 3Mbps. Then there is HSPA and HSPA+, which have a large range of speed depending on the version (check Wikipedia). T-Mobile have Dual Cell HSPA which have theoretical capability of 42Mbps, but realistically you will get half of that, and not all devices support it, I get up to 26Mbps with this, outdoor and close to the cell tower of course. From experience, I find T-Mobile obviously have faster 3G speed, but sometimes poorer building penetration.
The Play support: HSDPA 7.2Mbps and HSUPA 5.76Mbps, so that's the max speed this device will be getting on 3G.
You can check the device specs on gsmarena.com for bands support, but they are not always accurate so beware.
This is also why I recommend Nexus phones, because the last two Nexus are pentaband 3G devices, which mean they can get 3G on every GSM carrier in the world. There are few pentaband devices and fewer good pentaband phones.
Well I got my R800i, but disappointingly it doesn't get 3G with T-Mobile, but I checked the spec again and it seem the R800i only support the HSDPA 900 / 2100 bands, I didn't realize this sooner since all other international phones I have bought do support the 1900 band so I just assumed.
But the AT&T version do support the 1900 / 2100 bands, so I'm still confident if you buy that version and figure out how to unlock it, you will be able to get 3G on T-Mobile in the 1900MHz supported areas.
I did a speedtest of the 2G speed and I get around 80-100kbps download speed. So about 10kilobytes per second.
Side note, on the dialer, you can dial: *#*#4636#*#* which will bring you to a menu where you can set which band the phone will use, although it is labeled by region (you'll have to press the Menu button to bring up the option).
eksasol said:
Well I got my R800i, but disappointingly it doesn't get 3G with T-Mobile, but I checked the spec again and it seem the R800i only support the HSDPA 900 / 2100 bands, I didn't realized this sooner since all other international phones I have bought do support the 1900 bands so I just assumed.
But the ATT version do support the 1900 / 2100 band, so I am still confident if you buy that version and figure out how to unlock it, you will be able to get 3G on T-Mobile in the 1900MHz supported areas.
I did a speedtest of the 2G speed and I get around 80-100kbps download speed. So about 10kilobytes per second.
Side note, on the dialer, you can dial: *#*#4636#*#* which will bring you to a menu where you can set which band the phone will use, although it is labeled by region.
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Thank you for the info and thank you for clarifying.
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So after that I went on ebay looking for an unlocked R800at. Found one, not great price, but it was at a pawn shop 1.5miles from my house so I picked it up.
Here are the results: (see attached images).
Somethings I found:
-You have to search for the network operators and select specifically the 3G T-Mobile network. Might need to manually enter the APN for data/mms to work.
-With stock AT&T rom, I only seem to see the phone switching between E (2G) and H+. Since HSPA+ coverage isn't as abundant and you might see the signal deteriorate quickly depending on your location coverage. Edit: I see the 3G and H logo with R800i rom, may be it was just cosmetic?
-With stock AT&T rom, I can't seem to log into Google's Market at all regardless with Data or WiFi while using the T-Mobile sim. Maybe a limitation ATT specifically put in? But this is no problem after flashing another rom.
-As expected, Bootloader Status: Not_Rootable. So I can not get into fastboot mode meaning it require the test point method to unlock the bootloader. Still, I can easily flash the R800i ftf which will allow the NXT rom to be bootable (the ftf that work for me is the R800i_4.0.2.A.0.58_Enhanced). Then root it using "SuperOneClick", had to use x-Parts's CWM installer version 5 to correctly install cwm.
Still will have to fiddle with it more to see what else I can find. As for the R800i I will have to suck up the 15% restocking fee.
chery2k said:
I have the R800a on T-mobile USA and im stuck on Edge which is 2g. If you want 4G or 3.5G for your play your stuck with At&t otherwise if you go to t-mobile usa your stuck with 2g on your R800at the same boat as me.
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How did you unlock it for use with t-mobile? I searched the forums to no avail. The only way I can find is to use a code you have to buy or you have to request through at&t and I don't have at&t so they won't provide me with one.
I can find ways to unlock the bootloader... is that the same thing?
Sorry I'm not familiar with sony ericsson
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How did you unlock it for use with t-mobile? I searched the forums to no avail. The only way I can find is to use a code you have to buy or you have to request through at&t and I don't have at&t so they won't provide me with one.
I can find ways to unlock the bootloader... is that the same thing?
Sorry I'm not familiar with sony ericsson
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With the code your thinking of the sim unlock. Which you can get from AT&T, if you want the bootloader unlocked you need to get in touch with Alejandrissimo to unlock it... its a free service he offers.
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