First official release day reviews - Engadget & Gizmodo - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General

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They both rail on the $349 retail price (yes, that's with a 2yr contract).

Thanks,
Shame you can´t buy it now without a contract as in any other country...

US day one reviews I guess was meant. That's a pretty hard hit on the pocket for a subsidised device. Surely the unlocked HTC handset will get a proper US release.

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[COMP]what's so special?

i have got an eye for this device in months but then consideret "what if it's locked or has a perfect spl???" do any of you think this will happen?
i have also been looking at the specs of Nexus versus Bravo
Nexus: http://www.google.com/phone/static/en_US-nexusone_tech_specs.html
Bravo: http://www.htc.com/www/product/desire/specification.html
and i can't find big difference
is the thing wich turns of the sound of an incomming call software based?
does the desire have more sensors and addons than Nexus which is not software based? (and beside the FM radio)
will htc actually be sloppier than google with the updates and kernel releases?
will it be easier to work with the nexus kernel than the htc as there probably will be more updates?
and last but not least why should i pick a Bravo instead of a Nexus? (beside HTC Sense)
thank you in advance to bear over with my indecision!!
The Google Nexus isn't sold here?!
And Desire will be sold.
I think thats a big difference.
Or where can I get a Nexus
Isn't NExus US only?
nexus will allso work in europe and it will come 2 europe it just hasn't arrived yet!
im gonna get mine from usa btw, but i have seen many companys selling the N1 in denmark for 4500 kroners and above
which is a skyhigh price as i can get it for 3080 in USA without shipping (7.5 euros=1 DK)
Found a German who is selling for 688€ very expensive. That is 5160DK
its way cheaper getting it from another country!
What I would say is take serious consideration of your country's import duties and taxes, and the method of shipment before you buy.
As I have posted elsewhere on this forum, one time it actually worked out significantly more expensive for me to order some AV equipment from the USA than ordering it from the most expensive store I could find it at in the UK. This was purely due to the US shipper sending the item by courier and quoting the full description and value on the shipping documents. Upon its arrival in the UK the courier submitted it to UK customs (levying their own fee +VAT for doing so), customs then charged their import duty, and then iced the cake with full UK VAT ...that all stung me for an extra 32% on the US retail price + shipping.
...we talk about "Rip-off Britain" in the UK but it's our own Customs & Excise who are the worst culprits of ALL.
Anyhow, all I'm saying is beware, and work out those charges. I worked out that the N1 would cost 480-490GBP delivered from Google US whereas I've pre-ordered the Desire at Clove for 430GBP.
Mind you, having said that I got a pair of Oakley Juliette Ducatti sunglasses (270GBP in the UK) delivered from the US for 132GBP - but they were posted as a gift so big savings can be made.
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...will htc actually be sloppier than google with the updates and kernel releases?
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What I'm sure we will find is that HTC will not keep up with Google with releases and updates of Android ...absolutely certainly not once the Desire 2 is announced. They may issue one or two updates during th first year but once the phone is sold what incentive do they have to put time and effort into putting out updates. No, the only updates we are likely to see are those which take no resource to implement or they will put on their new retail phones in order to keep up with the N1 and will subsequently be released on their website.
However, with the N1 being Google's showcase Android device, Google has every incentive to keep the N1 as up-to-date as possible throughout it's life or until the hardware can no longer support Android so that users can show off to their mates and colleagues "Look what my Android can do today!". Hopefully then, those mates and colleagues will go out and get the next latest Android device (Nexus Two maybe?) to be part of it.
...and this situation will be even worse for phones supplied through network operators who spin their own cuts of the OS.
My wife's Orange HTC Hero went in for repair last week and by understanding from the Tech Support is that the latest Android ROM for the stock Hero is 2.7. Unfortunately, as my wife's Hero is branded from Orange it's stuck on 2.6 and I expect will be forever more. I have no faith in Orange releasing an Android 2.1 ROM for their legacy Heros.
1. you really should know about VAT and customs duty. Because here in Germany everything under 150€ has no customs duty and everything under 22€ does not need VAT when imported. So be aware of the exemption limit.
2. Google will only keep updating the nexus one till there is a nexus two.
What if it is shipped as a gift will that make a difference??
maybe but let me tell one example.
I bought a torch from China. It was shipped as a gift.
But the german customs duty personell did look into the package and they did figured out the trick. So I had to pay VAT (because no gift and over 22€). (no customsduty duty because under 150€)
u can buy nexus one in poland for about 500 euros....of course unofficial. the price is with shipping
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What if it is shipped as a gift will that make a difference??
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Doesn't matter gift or not. Customs always look at the total value and if they do not know the total value of the goods, then you will be at the mercy of the custom officer, because then they will estimate the value! In either cases you will be screwed by customs - if caught .
As for The Netherlands all goods that enters here, if I'm not mistaken from the 2008 terms & conditions on import duties, valued above 175 Euro will not be exempted from any tax duties - if caught .
What's special is the physical keys and the optical trackball.

shortage of desire?

hi folks,
the network i'm on in ireland are telling me they cant get any new desire for at least two weeks.. that there's a europe wide shortage? any stock issues elsewhere?
Cheers,
Mick
Yeah, I had to wait 3 weeks for mine from Vodafone, although admittedly the volcano didn't help.
It seems like other people are having problems with Vodafone, looks as though HTC underestimated the Desire's popularity.
Got it in Holland, didn't have to wait they had a couple of desires left. The guy told me they sell very well, so I wouldn't be surprised if they ran out of desires before ordering new ones.
The same situation applies in Greece too.
HTC Desire is not available through any carriers, or even online shops
which usually provide cellphones much earlier than official shops.
First I ordered it online they told me I had to wait 4 weeks. Since I didn´t want to do that. Than I called a shop and asked if they had it in stock. They just had one left! So rushed to the shop and bought mine
Yeah, it's been selling out everywhere. I got mine in Dublin on the day Meteor released it, I had to ring 4 different stores because they were booked out in most places. I got the second last one they had in stock in Grafton Street (and they only got them in around mid-morning).
And apparently Vodafone and O2 hadn't even planned on stocking it until their customers kicked up a huge fuss on the forums... I guess they were concerned about it eating into 3GS sales. Although maybe I'm giving their business acumen a little too much credit there... the way these guys operate in this country it wouldn't surprise me if they just couldn't have been bothered. Wonder how many customers O2 and Voda lost due to Meteor jumping in ahead of them with the Desire. (Me, for one!)
There goes a possible answer...
Clove.co.uk have been out of stock for weeks. Their last shipment was completely taken up by existing pre-orders, and (opinion) the same may happen with the current shipment too (due about the end of this week, exact arrival date tbc)
play.com claim to have stock - but I think they are fibbing
So, on the one hand, "Yay" for the Desire.
On the other hand, "C'mon, HTC [& samsung]! Get a move on! (but make sure you glue down the screens properly )"
Vodafone NL had a notice in the online shop saying it's not available for 4 weeks. Glad i got mine by mail the day it was released
Tis good news.
Well from HTC's point, you can't not update to 2.2 as the sheer amount of people buying them. IF the nexus one stays as the 2.2 Desire then sales will fall as people buy them instead.
So I am hopeful of June 23rd
Yo I got mine at the very beginning in Hong Kong with a hkd200 which is around 30 usd higher than the original price.
Luckily I made a decision to take it from the store otherwise I might have to wait for five days to two weeks for the phone.
Desire, what a great name.
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Clove.co.uk seem to be fulfilling pre-orders
As far as I can tell, clove started dispatching pre-ordered Desires yesterday (2/6/2010).
Their site still says "Stock delayed until the first week of June. Exact arrival date to be confirmed" but they probably recieved enough to cover some of the existing orders in the pipeline (mine included!)
I bought mine online as well got it had it for two weeks, but I had to send mine for repair, inner earpiece stopped working, and they said they need to replace it, also saying there is shortage have to wait a week or two, not to sure.
diablous said:
Tis good news.
Well from HTC's point, you can't not update to 2.2 as the sheer amount of people buying them. IF the nexus one stays as the 2.2 Desire then sales will fall as people buy them instead.
So I am hopeful of June 23rd
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Yes, I think you are right. A big desire user base will definitely help ensure (a) future update(s). Bad after sales support for a large user base will also mean large public backlash when people are starting to lose faith in htc their support.
There's definitely a shortage going on. Virgin Mobile (UK) have said that there's a stock shortage on the Desire in particular and it will be ongoing through the WHOLE of June and MOST of July (Probably the whole of July, they said).
They're getting a small shipment in on the 7th, but it's a VERY small shipment. So small, they're no longer selling them on anything less than 30ppm contracts! And that's only to existing Virgin MEDIA contract holders.
Glad I got mine when I did lol

AT&T official announcement?

When is AT&T going to make an official announcement of what devices will be available, when and for how much? We all know that November 8th is the day and they are supposed to be $199. But is the $199 after rebate? Without Rebate? Also, Engadget said in their Focus review it would be the only device available November 8th. So will there be no Surround on launch day?
It's less than 2 weeks away and AT&T has yet to put down any firm dates, prices, etc. Their website still says "Coming Soon". I called my local AT&T store and they told me November 8th, but said to call back as it could easily change.
Heck, at least T-Mobiles website lists a date, price (including $50 rebate) and device.
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When is AT&T going to make an official announcement of what devices will be available, when and for how much? We all know that November 8th is the day and they are supposed to be $199. But is the $199 after rebate? Without Rebate? Also, Engadget said in their Focus review it would be the only device available November 8th. So will there be no Surround on launch day?
It's less than 2 weeks away and AT&T has yet to put down any firm dates, prices, etc. Their website still says "Coming Soon". I called my local AT&T store and they told me November 8th, but said to call back as it could easily change.
Heck, at least T-Mobiles website lists a date, price (including $50 rebate) and device.
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By could easily change, it'll probably come in a few days early like the Captivate did - they might get release to sell it early. Unless they're getting same day shipments in the morning, odds are the phones will come in Thurs-Sat.
The Surround is available at Best Buy exclusively, but there's no date on how long it lasts.

AT&T In Store Lumia Promotions?

Just got back from the AT&T store and had a chance to play with the 900 while I was there. Spoke with the manager for a few minutes who mentioned that there 'may' possibly be some sort sales promotion for the 900 that will soon be announced at all AT&T stores. Seemed like he knew what it was, but wasn't giving up the goods. Also he alluded to an earlier than April 8th release date.
Just throwing it out there.
Well, for what it's worth, if you go to the Nokia site they have a countdown clock. The clock points to Friday, not Sunday.
Nokia supposedly booked times square for a release party on Friday at 7pm.
For what it's worth, I stopped by two ATT stores on the way home:
One swore the launch was the 14th, and if I preordered, I'd be able to pick it up that day.
The second said if I preordered now, my phone would be available in 14-21 days according to their system.
Figure I'll just stop by on Monday and pick one up from one of the worthless ATT stores in my area. May have to stop by on Friday/Saturday as well as see what's going on, as a launch on the 8th when the stores are closed has all the employees baffled.
Promotions
My Understanding is only "Corporate" Stores are going to get the device early. I tried to preorder The Lumia 900 online as an upgrade. I could not do it online and was directed by customer care to go to one of 3 Corporate stores in my area (Fresno, Ca)On 3-30-12 to complete the order. One of the reps I know there said Nokia is pulling all the stops. All the reps in store have Lumia's, some black ones, some Cyan ones. A rep from Nokia actually came to FRESNO to train and show the features of the phone and share marketing tactics. The rep said that this was a first as all the training for other phones, including the I Phone took place at out of town meetings. He said the Nokia is going first class all the way and the promotion in store will be substantial, and was confident they would have product in store by Easter Weekend.
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Just got back from the AT&T store and had a chance to play with the 900 while I was there. Spoke with the manager for a few minutes who mentioned that there 'may' possibly be some sort sales promotion for the 900 that will soon be announced at all AT&T stores. Seemed like he knew what it was, but wasn't giving up the goods. Also he alluded to an earlier than April 8th release date.
Just throwing it out there.
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Is the promo free phone on new plan ? That is already known. Also Amazon has the phone for a penny. If they have something else as a promo beyond this, that would be pretty amazing.
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Is the promo free phone on new plan ? That is already known. Also Amazon has the phone for a penny. If they have something else as a promo beyond this, that would be pretty amazing.
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Wish I knew, but he wouldn't say. Just said to keep my ears open as it would be announced soon. I'm hoping its something good, and not just an accessory or two thrown in.
If you wait until it's available at Costco, they usually throw in a car charger and case and tax is only charged on the price that you pay, not the retail price of the phone.
Not sure if it's going to be available at Costco on launch date though. A few days wait might be worth it though to save some extra cash and get some freebies.
Any word on the promo ?
Haven't heard anything on my end. Plan on stopping by the local att store after work to see if I can prod more info out of them.
I'll take some nifty new Nokia Lumia 900 accessories like a case or bumper.
$50.00 with 2 year contract at all corporate stores in New England (including upgrade, which I did)...
Even though their price tags say $100 (or $99.99, whatever)
[edit] http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/10/nokia-makes-lumia-900-free-to-all-att-customers/

The AT&T promo for launch day is......(Glad I canceled my pre-order ;) )

Nokia Lumia 900 for $99.99 for the phone and you get $100.00 in accessories for free.
Maybe no $36 upgrade charge either; (not confirmed)
So if you haven't received your shipping info for a pre-order I would cancel and enjoy the promotion on Monday's launch.
I expect this to be confirmed at 7pm tonight via Nokia Times Square launch party, followed by $100 million TV barrage to batter the USA for the next 4-6weeks.
P.S> accessories must be compatible with the Nokia Lumia 900, Headphones....
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Nokia Lumia 900 for $99.99 for the phone and you get $100.00 in accessories for free.
Maybe no $36 upgrade charge either; (not confirmed)
So if you haven't received your shipping info for a pre-order I would cancel and enjoy the promotion on Monday's launch.
I expect this to be confirmed at 7pm tonight via Nokia Times Square launch party, followed by $100 million TV barrage to batter the USA for the next 4-6weeks.
P.S> accessories must be compatible with the Nokia Lumia 900, Headphones....
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source...?
Seed 2.0 said:
Nokia Lumia 900 for $99.99 for the phone and you get $100.00 in accessories for free.
Maybe no $36 upgrade charge either; (not confirmed)
So if you haven't received your shipping info for a pre-order I would cancel and enjoy the promotion on Monday's launch.
I expect this to be confirmed at 7pm tonight via Nokia Times Square launch party, followed by $100 million TV barrage to batter the USA for the next 4-6weeks.
P.S> accessories must be compatible with the Nokia Lumia 900, Headphones....
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This means you need to buy it at an AT&T store right? And is it only good on launch day or for a limited time from launch day on?
Hoping the Microsoft store matches the promotion, if not ATT HERE I COME!
Not sure how long the accessory promotion is, the source is a rep. I can only speculate on the length of the promotion, but I would think it would last more then a day. The source didn't specify if the $100 had to be used the same day or if it was a gift card or in store credit. The only thing that was specifically mentioned was the accessories had to be Nokia Lumia 900 compatible.
If you go to at$t web site and look at the Lumia 900 "compatible accessories" I count 29 items. However at least 1 item, the alarm dock would appear to not be compatible; its the " iHome iP18 Color Changing Alarm Clock Speaker "
The source also mentioned that $100 mill was being spent in the first 4-6 weeks on promotion, and another $100 mill after, but not sure how long it was to last.
On Monday, when I pick up my phone at a corporate At$t store for $106.74 after tax, I was promised $100 in free accessories and no upgrade fee. This is what I know.
I can only imagine the offers getting better now till Monday not a retraction.
If this is the case though, does that mean those who pre-ordered don't get the $100 in accessories? That would piss me off if I didn't get this deal if I was one of the first who ordered.
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If this is the case though, does that mean those who pre-ordered don't get the $100 in accessories? That would piss me off if I didn't get this deal if I was one of the first who ordered.
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I hope you who pre-ordered it do get it. Id rather be pissed I didn't get my phone early, apposed to not getting it early for $99 for $236+ tax in goods, just to wait two days.
My experience with customer service is as long as you don't stop complaining and continually state your case in a calm professional manor and keep working your way up the food chain you will get what you want, with in reason.
According to a post on WPCentral, those who pre-ordered using an upgrade or new contract are eligible (at least for the North Central region).
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According to a post on WPCentral, those who pre-ordered using an upgrade or new contract are eligible (at least for the North Central region).
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Very interesting. Are there even $100 in accessories available yet that are compatible with the Nokia Lumia 900? Seems like you'd be buying a bunch of cases when you only really need 1.
Nice!!! glad to see. Those details match the description my source gave me. Nice find uptempo777.
Beats Audio headphones are $99 and are Nokia Lumia 900 compatible.
Also, portable back up batteries are available for ~$35 and ~$40. That may be a good pick up since the battery is not removable. I think two battery back ups and a Gel case for $100 sounds good.
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Nice!!! glad to see. Those details match the description my source gave me. Nice find uptempo777.
Beats Audio headphones are $99 and are Nokia Lumia 900 compatible.
Also, portable back up batteries are available for ~$35 and ~$40. That may be a good pick up since the battery is not removable. I think two battery back ups and a Gel case for $100 sounds good.
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Beats audio headphones are included? That's pretty cool! I hope you can order things that are not in-stock as well.
They are listed under compatible accessories on the Nokia Lumia 900 page at Att.com
Do you know if this will be all week? I need to wait till the end of the week (till I get paid) to buy it off contract, hoping I can get this deal too.
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Do you know if this will be all week? I need to wait till the end of the week (till I get paid) to buy it off contract, hoping I can get this deal too.
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What's the price off-contract again?
No Commitment Pricing $449.99 -att.com
Seed 2.0 said:
Nokia Lumia 900 for $99.99 for the phone and you get $100.00 in accessories for free.
Maybe no $36 upgrade charge either; (not confirmed)
So if you haven't received your shipping info for a pre-order I would cancel and enjoy the promotion on Monday's launch.
I expect this to be confirmed at 7pm tonight via Nokia Times Square launch party, followed by $100 million TV barrage to batter the USA for the next 4-6weeks.
P.S> accessories must be compatible with the Nokia Lumia 900, Headphones....
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Preorderers get this offer also my rep told me and im going in to get my $100 worth of accessories tomorrow
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If this is the case though, does that mean those who pre-ordered don't get the $100 in accessories? That would piss me off if I didn't get this deal if I was one of the first who ordered.
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While texting my rep back and forth earlier because of some data issues, he explained to me that preorderers get the $100 towards accessories
I called 2 AT&T Stores and asked if they would have any special promotion to buy the Nokia Lumia 900 on launch date and they said they didn't know of any. They said they'll have a Nokia rep on-site that may possibly offer anything but they didn't know of anything for sure.
Any idea if they are playing dumb, are dumb, or just really don't know?
Has anyone confirmed that this is for the entire US, or only the North Central Region as originally noted? BTW, for pre-order customers (like me) you can go into a store and tell them to use "Manager Override Reason Code - LP10". That will get you the $100 credit.
Here is a copy of the store memo from WPCentral.com forums.
It looks to me that you have to sign a contract to get the promotion.
Effective April 6, 2012, customers in the North Central Region who purchase a Nokia Lumia 900 can receive a discount up to $100 to be used toward Nokia Lumia 900 compatible accessories
Minimum $50 accessory purchase required.
Offer requires a new or upgrade Nokia Lumia 900 on a two-year commitment.
Accessories must be purchased in the same transaction as the Nokia Lumia 900 purchase.
If a customer purchased a pre-order Nokia Lumia (between March 30, 2012, and April 8, 2012), the customer is eligible for up to $100 in accessory credit. The credit should be done with a manager override, discount reason code LP10.
The discount is taken off of the device (great for APO.)
The discount requires at least one compatible Nokia Lumia 900 accessory SKU and the Nokia Lumia 900 SKU (65367, 65375, 65511) to be included in the cart.
Five unique barcodes are used to issue the discount:
$60 discount barcode applies to accessories totaling $49.95 - $60.00
$70 discount barcode applies to accessories totaling $60.01 - $70.00
$80 discount barcode applies to accessories totaling $70.01 - $80.00
$90 discount barcode applies to accessories totaling $80.01 - $90.00
$100 discount barcode applies to accessories totaling $90.01 and above
The customer receives up to $100 in credit toward their accessory purchase (no cash back value if the purchase totals less than $100.)
Apple branded accessories, gift cards and iTunes cards are excluded.
The $100 accessory offer applies to Nokia Lumia 900 compatible accessories only.
This offer applies to COR only.
Merchandising
An exclusive price card backer and in-store flyer is being used to promote the $100 Accessory Credit. COR locations are scheduled to receive these price card backers to display the week of April 8, 2012.
FAQs
How long will this offer be available?
This offer will be available for a limited time only.
If my customer purchases $85 in accessories, which barcode should I use?
In the scenario, the customer is eligible for a $90 discount. Use the barcode that will discount the device $90.
If my customer purchases $45 in accessories, which barcode should I use?
There is a minimum purchase of at least $50 ($49.95) in accessories to be eligible for this offer.
If my customer purchases half of his accessories from in-stock quantities and the other half through DF, will the barcode still discount the cart?
Yes. The barcode will recognize the accessories in the cart whether they are in your store or available through DF.
Is my customer eligible for a $15 refund if he purchases $85 in accessories?
No. In order to take advantage of the full $100 credit, the customer must have at least $90.01 in accessories in his cart.
Is there merchandising to support this offer?
Yes. A Price Card backer and in-store flyer will be available to support this in-store offer.
How should we position this offer in store?
Purchase a Nokia Lumia Windows Phone and get up to $100 in free accessories.
Are pre-sales eligible to take advantage of this offer?
Pre-sales are eligible but a manager override needs to be used since the phone was purchased in a different transaction. Use reason code LP10.
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I used the promo yesterday. Got a screen protector and jawbone headset which is for sale. I already ordered the gel case when I preordered and that came in yesterday. Glad I did because they didn't have much of a variety of lumia 900 specific accessories.
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