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I've been reading the forum, and based on the information and the tools there I have been able to modify my extended ROM, which is great. Now of course I'd like to modify the main ROM as well, but despite the many hours I've spent searching the forum, I can't find the necessary information to do it. There's always something essential missing, something which probably is obvious to a programmer, but not to a normal user. As I've been able to modify the extended ROM, I guess I should be able to modify the main ROM too. Who can point me in the right direction?
from what i understand it's not even 100% possible with xda1 since people cant seem to make the extracted files back to a nbf file
and there are no tools that i know of that even extract the main rom from a xda2
As I understand it, when you upgrade the operating system, you're actually modifying the ROM. Some people here like to call it to "flash", I think, and there are a lot of messages about it in here. I just haven't found the information necessary to do it. I want to modify the ROM on my XDAII.
no the operating system is the rom which is in a eeprom in the device
when you flash the rom you replace the operating system with the new one
when you say modifying it mean more in the way of exchanging different files inside the rom
but if you just mean flashing the rom with a newer then here is a guide
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/HimalayaRomFlashing
What does EEP stand for? How many ROMs are there?
I've seen a ROM created here for the XDAI, containing more programs than what the devices normally come with. I would like to have a ROM on my XDAII containing the programs I use, so that I don't need to reinstall them every time the device is hard reset. Isn't this possible?
What does EEP stand for?
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huh what does EEP have to do with this ?
suppose it could stand for
Executive Excellence Publishing
or
European Environmental Press
how many roms there are i think there are 1.5 1.6 1.66 and 1.72
about extra programs then they are not! in the rom they are in the extended rom any CAB file you copy to the extented will install after automatic after a hardreset
you should take a look at the romkitchens ( specifically for xda1, but can be made for xda2 as well ).
and mkrom, and the other romtools
EEPROM stands for "electrically erasable programmable read only memory".
this is sort of the predecessor of flash memory.
"electrically erasable programmable read only memory" sounds like a contradiction, but thanks for that, it makes more sense than EEPROM.
What about all of us users who don't have a Unix machine? I suppose we're stuck with the original ROM then, and have to install our programs over and over again for every hard reset. Of course you can put a few of them in the extended ROM, but it becomes full too quickly and you're left with installing the rest of them manually.
well you can upgrade to a newer rom as they come out
like i have 1.66 but if i wanted 1.72 i could upgrade
about contradiction heh yeah suppose so but then if it was 100% always READ ONLY then it would be random was what in it as how the transistors randomly set when it was produced
A newer ROM wouldn't contain the programs I want.
no :/ but it could contain bug fixes for ms and radiostack and such
i suspect that extented rom was made so it would be easier for the phonecompanys' and other 3th party resellers to get programs preinstalled fast without having to mess around too much in the rom
this is at the cost of memory though
but then some programs dident like to be in the rom i believe here i mean if setting files were places in the rom aswell and the program could not write to the setting file
mkrom also works on cygwin under windows.
( now I also wrote this in the wiki page )
Isn't that just for XDA I?
it works for windows ce in general.
that doesn't mean that there is no work involved in getting it to work, but it is possible to make it work for the xda2. I use it to build custom roms for the devices we sell, that is why I wrote it in the first place.
What's cygwin?
How much space is there in the ROM to add extra programs? In the ROM that this forum developed for XDA I they added quite many programs from what I could see.
http://www.google.dk/search?hl=da&ie=UTF-8&q=cygwin&btnG=Google-søgning
Thanks for that, Rudegar.
To Itsme: I don't mind the work, but it looks like its written for programmers and that if you're not a fairly skilled programmer, you wouldn't be able to do it.
Can I use a ROM from one model phone to another. Ex. can I use the ROM from a Blackstone and use it on a Fuze? I know I can use the blackstone radio but how about the ROM?
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fuzeman219 said:
Can I use a ROM from one model phone to another. Ex. can I use the ROM from a Blackstone and use it on a Fuze? I know I can use the blackstone radio but how about the ROM?
thanks
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NO!
You can't use another device ROM or RADIO.
thank you sir, but you say you cant use the radio either? in other forums people are using different radios, ex. blackstone radio on a raphael, (fuze)
Yes you can use radios in 2 cases:
1) the radios are compatible. If you're not sure, don't flash it.
2) the phone is security unlocked.
Also, to use a ROM from another device it must be dumped and then ported in a Kitchen, you can't just flash it. The Kernel's and drivers just won't work.
Dave
Well, a teacher I had, always told "you can, but you must not". You can jump down from the roof of a highscraper, but you should not have to do it...
So, you MUST NOT flash a ROM of a device into another different one. Yes, you have tools to do it, but you'll probably get an electronic brick to put in any hole of a brick wall.
There's a part of the ROM which is specific for the device. Another part is specific for the OS. So, some parts of a ROM are related to WM6.1 or WM6.5, etc. and some others are related to a device. That's what is called the Kernel, mainly related to a nk.exe file inside the ROM files. In example, we can run WM6.5 into a Kaiser with a nk.exe belonging to a kaiser and WM6.1... BUT for running same OS of a different device, (i.e. Opal's WM6.1 into Kaiser) you'll completely inutilize (maybe forever) the device. Yes, you can do it if sou have enough money to buy another device, but if you don't want it, I suggest you to send me your device or give it for charity, but not to destroy it.
Another thing you can do is, as you were told, "dumping" the ROM, this is extracting all the files and structure, and then port it (this is, adapting it) to your device's needs - this means, getting your specific drivers and kernel files and substituting them into the folders you obtained of the ROM. (Also, getting the correct screen resolution files). In example, nk.exe and other files will be different for a Kaiser and for a Herald. And you should have different Camera files, as the drivers are different for one device and the other one. Also, a Touch HD uses different screen resolution that a Herald... so you must find the correct files for every device.
This looong post is to tell you that using ROMs from other phones is RISKY and also it GETS LOTS OF JOB (and TIME), and you'll always miss something. Only good, big teams, like to do it, not an only person. And they spend days, weeks, and must correct bugs and make trials and risk their devices even if they have lots of experience.
thanks
thanks folks, makes complete sense..
this leads to another question, how do you know if the radio is compatible with another device, ex. the blackstone radio with a raphael? I know the simple answer is to read the forums, which I have, but besides taking someones word for it, how do you know?
fuzeman219 said:
thanks folks, makes complete sense..
this leads to another question, how do you know if the radio is compatible with another device, ex. the blackstone radio with a raphael? I know the simple answer is to read the forums, which I have, but besides taking someones word for it, how do you know?
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You have to know about the chips in the phone and what's in the radio firmwhere, I leave it upto the experts .
Just take peoples word for it, if in doubt, don't use it.
Dave
With some help from me, manelscout4life dumped his LG Expo.
Links here:
Part00 and Part01: http://rapidshare.com/files/330408837/part0.zip.html
Part02: http://rapidshare.com/files/330404062/Part02.zip.html
Enjoy!
(don't forget to vote against XDA's stance of only doing HTC! )
MIRRORS:
Part00 and Part01: http://rapidshare.com/files/334116367/part00and01.zip
Part02: http://rapidshare.com/files/334116370/part02.zip
awesome work guys! if i hadnt been at a funeral id have been on there helpin out. nonethe less... fantastic work!
i just hope to see some custom roms soon!
we'll i think we might need to focus on getting the phone's SSPL or Hard SPL so continuous flashing is possible eh?
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(don't forget to vote against XDA's stance of only doing HTC! )
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Where is the vote? Not to hijack the thread, but it's known that we're going to go 6 months without anything better than the HD2 from HTC meanwhile LG, Samsung and Acer are pumping out WM phones yet there's no XDA support so they will inevitably lack the same base support as we continue to salivate over HTC and it continues to pump out Android phones...We'd all be better off if XDA moved with the industry.
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Where is the vote? Not to hijack the thread, but it's known that we're going to go 6 months without anything better than the HD2 from HTC meanwhile LG, Samsung and Acer are pumping out WM phones yet there's no XDA support so they will inevitably lack the same base support as we continue to salivate over HTC and it continues to pump out Android phones...We'd all be better off if XDA moved with the industry.
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wouldn't we all be better off if we just got along?
Awesome that you were able to dump the eXpo rom, but we can't do anything with just a dump. We had this problem with the Incite. We had to wait for an official rom because the way LG makes their roms. The format is a .dz file and there are parts of this file that is needed to cook a rom which is not found with a dump.
We would need the actual dz file in order to deconstruct it, dump the contents, cook, and then reconstruct the dz file. Without the dz file we can't flash.
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Awesome that you were able to dump the eXpo rom, but we can't do anything with just a dump. We had this problem with the Incite. We had to wait for an official rom because the way LG makes their roms. The format is a .dz file and there are parts of this file that is needed to cook a rom which is not found with a dump.
We would need the actual dz file in order to deconstruct it, dump the contents, cook, and then reconstruct the dz file. Without the dz file we can't flash.
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Right the dz file will be helpful but this is nice for just hacking up the phone we have now or porting the apps as well. With the dump there can be driver hacks made and all kinds of other fun goodies its a start...
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we'll i think we might need to focus on getting the phone's SSPL or Hard SPL so continuous flashing is possible eh?
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But we dont even know yet if we will need one we need an spl dump so we can check to see if it needs a signed image or not
This is def. very exciting and I very much look forward to seeing things getting ported from this phone to all of our other WM phones!! So we can have pieces of this phones apps/programs running in our phones to play with!!
GREAT JOB NOW LET THE FUN BEGIN
meh
that was faster than I expected. Great work!
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Awesome that you were able to dump the eXpo rom, but we can't do anything with just a dump. We had this problem with the Incite. We had to wait for an official rom because the way LG makes their roms. The format is a .dz file and there are parts of this file that is needed to cook a rom which is not found with a dump.
We would need the actual dz file in order to deconstruct it, dump the contents, cook, and then reconstruct the dz file. Without the dz file we can't flash.
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Just because you can't do anything with a dump because it doesn't give you all the stuff you need, doesn't mean it isn't useful for other purposes.
Apps porting, driver research, etc. I am personally not interested in flashing the LG Expo (mainly because I don't have one) but I was in need of the dumps.
So... shortsighted much?
Wonderful News
This is great!!!
I tried to dump my LG IQ which is the Canadian version of this phone, but didnt work too long at it, and I fail because the phone said device not ready in the dumping process.
If you want to PM me with how you did it, and give me a bit of advice, I would be willing to try again.
The Telus and AT&T versions are slightly different, one difference being that the Telus phone has a slightly newer version of windows ce on it.
Telus 5.2.21868.5.0.69
AT&T 5.2.21749..don't know the rest
Awesome job......
Installing this CAB on your phone and rebooting should get rid of that pesky error:
http://www.jongma.org/tmp/MultASync_Security_Policies.cab
(Taken from MultASync project)
Aside from that, it's just pdocread / raw dump as usual ...
For an example of the commands, see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=501871
As a fellow user of the LG Expo, would be more than happy to help out as I can.
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Installing this CAB on your phone and rebooting should get rid of that pesky error:
http://www.jongma.org/tmp/MultASync_Security_Policies.cab
(Taken from MultASync project)
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Sorry to say, it didn't work for me
tried installing the cab, and tried editing the reg manually to the values in the cab....
any other ideas?
Not really... all we did is hook up the device correctly, install that cab, excute the commands and we had a dump ...
Thank you Chainfire! Telus IQ ROM dump
OK I am now feeling like an idiot.
Yes, the disk on the IQ is called DSK1: not FLASHDR
Yes, this cost me being at least two weeks later than I needed to be.
Yes, I goter dun tonight....
rofl
Easy mistake to make: but rest assured, everyone only makes this mistake but once, and probably every dumper once made it
Sorry, I should of been a bit clearer, but when I said we can't do anything with just a dump I was referring to cooking. Someone had mentioned seeing custom roms soon so I was just pointing out that that wouldn't be possible until we get a base rom to work with. If I confused anyone it was not my intention.
Hi
First of all I'll apologise if the flavour of this post is similar in nature to a few others but I haven't quite found an exact match for what I need when searching through the other posts and I really need a definitive answer.
The background.....
My company use a third party forms application for passing data between our field service technicians and our office. This application had been specifically designed to be run on Windows Mobile devices. Up until very recently has been perfect for the task.
With the arrival of WP7 and Android in the phone market I have been finding it increasingly difficult to source devices running windows mobile. Those which I am still able to get hold of have varying versions of WM running which presents me with a variety of continuity issues. Providing support over the phone can also be quite challenging due to slight version descrepancies.
Recently one of my suppliers has been able to source me a large number of HTC Touch Pro 2 devices, however they are again running slightly different versions of the OS.
I would like to be able to use a standard WM6.5 ROM accross all the TP2's regardless of the original version or region of the device. I have been in touch with HTC without a great deal of joy. They simply refer me to there download page where invariably I am only able to download and install the ROM which corresponds to the individual device serial number.
Finally the Question.....
If I download a custom WM6.5 ROM can I run it accross all my GSM TP2's and if so then can you point me in the right direction?
Thanks for any help you can give
if these are all unbranded phones i suggest hard spl on all of them, and download a stock rom for one of them extract the .nbh file and flash them all to the same build...easiest way....
WC
Wild Child said:
if these are all unbranded phones i suggest hard spl on all of them, and download a stock rom for one of them extract the .nbh file and flash them all to the same build...easiest way....
WC
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Are you really suggesting a stock ROM to this guy over your ROMs?
@Si_UK If you want the stock look without the bloat and with more speed, go with Wild Child's Illuminati ROMs. They retain the functionality of the the stock ROMs, but are tweaked for better performance and stability across the board. These ROMs are a very nice business choice. Like he said, though, you will need to Hard SPL the devices to be able to flash anything other than stock ROMs.
Thanks guys
I managed to download a standard rom from HTC using one of my UK device serial numbers and gave it a try to see if the RUU would work on one of the non UK devices. It did and works fine. I was planning on replicating this now with all the devices to ensure they're all the same.
I am now going to try and Hard SPL a device and use custom ROM as recommended. I like the idea of being able to improve the speed and lose some of the crap.
Fingers crossed as I've not done this before
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Are you really suggesting a stock ROM to this guy over your ROMs?
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Hmm, Sense 2.1 roms where... ehmm... usable... Not THAT bad after all.
However those S2 Sense 2.5 aren't capable of being used more then one day.
The company I work for uses a horrible old product called Cognito.
We are developing an Android App to replace this but in the meanwhile we have a problem - within our budget we can only run this on Rhodium devices and with specific ROMS.
We have trouble getting decent Rhodiums and finding ones with the correct ROM is even harder. I now have a box of them with the wrong ROMs.
I have searched around for the specific ROMs we need but it seems that mos of the download links I can find have gone.
Even when I can find a ROM that seems to be OK, there always seem to be other issues.
I think the following ROMs should work (in theory):
- 1.86.401.4 (67102) WWE
- 1.14.161.6 (50207) WWE
I figure the next step would be to dump a working ROM and write that back to the other devices.
Can anyone tell me in simple steps how I can achieve this? I have started looking into ROM kitchens but it has far more detail than I think I need and I feel a bit swamped with it all.
Thanks
Update
I have managed to get the RAW files from a working device using this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=501871
However, I cannot find any tools to put these back together. All the links seem to be dead
I know this is an old thread, but did you ever figure out how to dump the a rom from a working phone and restore it again?
I have a TP2 Rhodium 100 set up with WM6.5 just like it should be(with all the tweaks and apps), and I'm going to give it to family - But I don't really like to have to set it up again all over, so a way to make a rom dump and restore it would be really nice
Its now 2015 - there must be something (I have searched and all threads and post seem to be either dead or the links don't work or the programs are not available anymore).
JBJ