Keyboard Layout on this device!!! arrragghhh!! - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General

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Does anyone else totally hate the Keyboard Layout on this device in every day use??
It's terrible!!!
Everything is in the wrong place!!!
"," and "-" , "DEL", and ":" are just plain wrong! imho!
Terrible in everyday use!
And there aren't enough extra keys to remap them...
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actually i like this layout Even keys are moved its very simple to get used to it. For example I use backspace more then Enter and comma is well placed - better then using FN+something

mistm said:
actually i like this layout Even keys are moved its very simple to get used to it. For example I use backspace more then Enter and comma is well placed - better then using FN+something
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Agreed. It took a little getting used to, after coming from the Kaiser, but I'm impressed. Just my opinion.

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D-pad for rhodiium

Sorry if this was mentioned before but there is a way to create a d-pad using the AE Button Plus
http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus.php
I did it using the increase and decrease volume and changed them to up and down scrolling,
Thanks
pantelis25 said:
Sorry if this was mentioned before but there is a way to create a d-pad using the AE Button Plus
http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus.php
I did it using the increase and decrease volume and changed them to up and down scrolling,
Thanks
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The reason Rhodium doesn't have a D-pad in the first place is because you are suppose to use the phone with the qwerty keyboard out most of the time.
poetryrocksalot said:
The reason Rhodium doesn't have a D-pad in the first place is because you are suppose to use the phone with the qwerty keyboard out most of the time.
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It doesn't have a dpad because a) they thought it didn't need one because dpads are so 2005 and b) there wasn't room for everything and reviewers are already fond of calling it a brick.
I didn't notice AEB+ using the zoom bar as a dpad, but that's the hack I'm hoping for. Maybe it can capture the zoom bar action, I'm just not sure.
fortunz said:
It doesn't have a dpad because a) they thought it didn't need one because dpads are so 2005 and b) there wasn't room for everything and reviewers are already fond of calling it a brick.
I didn't notice AEB+ using the zoom bar as a dpad, but that's the hack I'm hoping for. Maybe it can capture the zoom bar action, I'm just not sure.
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Just trust me on this...the reason is that the keyboard qwerty is good enough"
Think about PLEASE!!!!!
Why the hell would you buy a phone with qwerty keyboard, ctrl, arrow keys, and proper function indicators? Obviously because you rely on those.
And if you rely on those than you obviously already have a D-Pad called "Arrow Keys" and "Enter/Select Key"
Also don't you find it absolutely ****ing pointless to have a volume control keys be used as a scroll wheel when you lack a freaking "select" button?
Man what are you people thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would you use up and down with volume rocker just to highlight an item and then tap on the same exact item to select it.
Why would you use a freaking volume rocker to scroll down a page when you obviously can do it better with a freaking stylus?
The same goes for the zoom bar!!! That ludicrously illogical to use zoom bar to highlight items and then having to get the stylus out to tap it. Waste of time and efficiency without a freaking "enter/select key"
Think aF***ingBout It! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
poetryrocksalot said:
Why the hell would you buy a phone with qwerty keyboard, ctrl, arrow keys, and proper function indicators? Obviously because you rely on those.
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In order to type. It is entirely possible, and preferable to some to navigate without always having it open.
Now, about your caffeine intake...
fortunz said:
In order to type. It is entirely possible, and preferable to some to navigate without always having it open.
Now, about your caffeine intake...
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haha that's hilarious
DPad Desire
I just got my TP2 a few days ago, my personal desire would be a DPAD app that uses the whole keyboard, so generically pressing rowards the left of the keys is left (like Q,W,A,S,D), towards the top is up (like 4,5,6,R,T,Y) etc. etc.
Then an assignable button for select, like space bar or FN.
Anyway, it would make sense to me and be easier to use especially for games , I find the DPAD being on the bottom right a bit annoying but they've done a good job fitting it all in!
Calm the hell down! How old are you, 12? The dpad is nice when you are only holding the phone with one hand. It is nearly impossible to use it with one hand while open. If your reasons why it doesn't have a dpad were true then the last 4 generations of HTC sliders wouldn't have a dpad. It doesn't have a dpad for multiple reasons including the iPhone's lack of a dpad, how a USABLE (Touch Pro!) dpad doesn't look good, and the lack of room on the front.
Up/Down without enter is still somewhat useful if you are reading something while only holding the phone with one hand. You can always map something else to be enter, like long press on start or back. I will DEFINITELY experiment with this once AT&T releases the Touch Pro 2 since I still do use it on my TP.
If only they put a ball or sensor like tbe Samsung Epix and new Blackberries have it would have greatly increased one handed usability.
so HOW can you map different actions to the zoom slider? like scroll?!
petard said:
Calm the hell down! How old are you, 12? The dpad is nice when you are only holding the phone with one hand. It is nearly impossible to use it with one hand while open. If your reasons why it doesn't have a dpad were true then the last 4 generations of HTC sliders wouldn't have a dpad. It doesn't have a dpad for multiple reasons including the iPhone's lack of a dpad, how a USABLE (Touch Pro!) dpad doesn't look good, and the lack of room on the front.
Up/Down without enter is still somewhat useful if you are reading something while only holding the phone with one hand. You can always map something else to be enter, like long press on start or back. I will DEFINITELY experiment with this once AT&T releases the Touch Pro 2 since I still do use it on my TP.
If only they put a ball or sensor like tbe Samsung Epix and new Blackberries have it would have greatly increased one handed usability.
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He spaced the hell outta himself one time.. pissing of an employee at SE so he wouldnt give us valuable info anymore on a new phone that comes out in the end of the year
pantelis25 said:
Sorry if this was mentioned before but there is a way to create a d-pad using the AE Button Plus
http://ae.inc.ru/aebplus.php
I did it using the increase and decrease volume and changed them to up and down scrolling,
Thanks
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pantelis if you need a d-pad on a tp2.. try the acer m900.. it looks like the tp2 and has a fingerprint scanner that you can use as d-pad.. better camera with flash too.. but no tilting, ****ed up RAM, and a ****ed up KB
poetryrocksalot said:
Just trust me on this...the reason is that the keyboard qwerty is good enough"
Also don't you find it absolutely ****ing pointless to have a volume control keys be used as a scroll wheel when you lack a freaking "select" button?
Man what are you people thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would you use up and down with volume rocker just to highlight an item and then tap on the same exact item to select it.
Why would you use a freaking volume rocker to scroll down a page when you obviously can do it better with a freaking stylus?
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this may be your oponion, but that's no reason for putting other people down.
personnaly i use the volume buttons as up/down. thsi works very wel if you are scrolling in your emails. if i want to clean up my mailbox i can scroll the mails and delete them with my left soft-key. ik i tap the email is opened, but i dont always want to open the mail because this is time-consuming.
So you see, for some people these functions can be very usefull.
So please have an open mind en don't think you opinion is the only one.
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xdadJeroen said:
pantelis if you need a d-pad on a tp2.. try the acer m900.. it looks like the tp2 and has a fingerprint scanner that you can use as d-pad.. better camera with flash too.. but no tilting, ****ed up RAM, and a ****ed up KB
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Ive seen the reviews. The OS is bs its generally a bs phone. Wouldnt bother with it. Although fingerprint scanner is very cool.
On topic: SCROLL WITH ZOOM BAR! Had the wheel as a scroller on my TP and i want similar on my TP2
poetryrocksalot said:
The reason Rhodium doesn't have a D-pad in the first place is because you are suppose to use the phone with the qwerty keyboard out most of the time.
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What about the Topaz? It doesn't have a QWERTY keyboard or a D-pad.
poetryrocksalot said:
Just trust me on this...the reason is that the keyboard qwerty is good enough"
Think about PLEASE!!!!!
Why the hell would you buy a phone with qwerty keyboard, ctrl, arrow keys, and proper function indicators? Obviously because you rely on those.
And if you rely on those than you obviously already have a D-Pad called "Arrow Keys" and "Enter/Select Key"
Also don't you find it absolutely ****ing pointless to have a volume control keys be used as a scroll wheel when you lack a freaking "select" button?
Man what are you people thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would you use up and down with volume rocker just to highlight an item and then tap on the same exact item to select it.
Why would you use a freaking volume rocker to scroll down a page when you obviously can do it better with a freaking stylus?
The same goes for the zoom bar!!! That ludicrously illogical to use zoom bar to highlight items and then having to get the stylus out to tap it. Waste of time and efficiency without a freaking "enter/select key"
Think aF***ingBout It! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OMG. Somebody is a grumpy-pants and got up on the wrong side of the bed.
This phone would be almost perfect if it had a scroll wheel or a D-pad. This device uses WM6.1 and this is the norm for WM6.1 (this may change with WM6.5)
I can easily envision how the use of the zoom bar or the volume buttons as a scroll wheel or d-pad replacement could work efficiently and better than the "freaking" stylus. All because you lack the vision to make it work doesn't mean that it cannot work well.
For example. The zoom bar could have five zones: up, left, select, right, & down. Just put some tape over the zoom bar with the map, and viola.
Also, what about phones like the Topaz? Where's the "freaking" arrow keys or the enter/select key?
You may be content with the phone, but others may not.

[Q] bigger key board???

Hey is there a app that will make the key board bigger? I guess i have fat thumbs and its hard as crap 2 type on it..... also is there any way i can get it where the shift key controls all the secondary keys like the computer instead of that fn button?
Thanks guys i would of looked on the market on the key board thing but im not sure on how 2 word it and of course if theres 1 the better 1 is the 1 i want
Nabisco_12 said:
Hey is there a app that will make the key board bigger? I guess i have fat thumbs and its hard as crap 2 type on it..... also is there any way i can get it where the shift key controls all the secondary keys like the computer instead of that fn button?
Thanks guys i would of looked on the market on the key board thing but im not sure on how 2 word it and of course if theres 1 the better 1 is the 1 i want
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check out thumb keyboard?
ZiggSVO said:
check out thumb keyboard?
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If thumb keyboard isn't your thing then try Better Keyboard. I don't use it but they do have larger keys than the regular keyboards.
thumb key board is working well, i like it way much better!!!! thanks guys!
I highly recommend you check out Swiftkey. Although not optimized for big thumbs, its auto-correct and suggestion engine works extremely well for those times when you missed a key or pressed the wrong letter. Check it!

[Q] Swype behavior question

I have noticed something very annoying to me. With some versions of swype you can click back in the middle of a word you previously typed, and it would automatically jump to the end of the word so you could either select a suggested alternative, or hold backspace to delete the word. Other versions, when you click back in the middle of the word, it stays there, in the exact spot you tapped. I hate that.
Is there a way to make swype forward the cursor to the end of the word? Or do I need to use military precision with my tapped selection.
I have this issue too. Also I would like to be able to get rid of that language key. It's useless and a ware of space. Who is swapping between languages so frequently that they need a dedicated button for it which causes the other 99 percent of people using the keyboard to accidentally press it and screw up their predictions.
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Both of these are problems I'm having that annoy me
But I believe the moving of the button thingy to the end of the word is just a characteristic of the new version of swype so that's not really an "issue" or "bug" its just there
And that language button wasn't a mistake either lol but it would b nice to chance it or like increase the size of the space button or something
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lol, that language key messed w/ my head for a little bit last night as I accidentally pressed it w/o knowing that I did ("WTH, I have to add 'over' to my dictionary??).
And didn't we have the option to cancel a word (say a mistype) in the previous version before it was printed, where now you have to delete your mistakes every time? Seems that I am deleting a lot more than I used to...
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xgerryx said:
I have noticed something very annoying to me. With some versions of swype you can click back in the middle of a word you previously typed, and it would automatically jump to the end of the word so you could either select a suggested alternative, or hold backspace to delete the word. Other versions, when you click back in the middle of the word, it stays there, in the exact spot you tapped. I hate that.
Is there a way to make swype forward the cursor to the end of the word? Or do I need to use military precision with my tapped selection.
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I actually thought this was rom-based at first, but now I'm not sure. I'm on EI22 with a recent Swype in my custom rom, and there's no automatic moving.
stilesja said:
I have this issue too. Also I would like to be able to get rid of that language key. It's useless and a ware of space. Who is swapping between languages so frequently that they need a dedicated button for it which causes the other 99 percent of people using the keyboard to accidentally press it and screw up their predictions.
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I held the language key and it gave me the option to choose one language. Now if I accidentally hit it, it doesn't do anything.
Ok so an alternative to the cursor jumping to the front of the word, albeit, a less efficient one, but none-the-less; you can double tap a word and it will be highlighted, then you can just re-swype the word and it will replace the highlighted one.
It'll have to do for now until they ever change it back. Oh well.
And yea like Randomking said, just go to the languages and uncheck all of them except english. That should cause the button to do nothing as well. So there's 2 ways to get around that one.

[Q] Silly Keyboard Question

Ok, I'm new to Android with this Note 10.1 2014, and I have what should be an easy question. On the stock keyboard, is there a faster way to use the alternate functions of the keys? Like, adding a question mark or apostrophe, for instance. Do I actually have to hold the key down until it changes to the 2nd character? I've been searching for a shortcut, but obviously not good enough. Thanks!
Bottom left of the Keyboard there is a button with the lettering "Sym" (Symbol), hopefully this helps, mind you I don't own this tablet but that's my guess from watching video reviews :silly:
Google stock keyboard can also be installed from the play store. I like the stock one pretty well be googles spell correct is much much better
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haterbait said:
Ok, I'm new to Android with this Note 10.1 2014, and I have what should be an easy question. On the stock keyboard, is there a faster way to use the alternate functions of the keys? Like, adding a question mark or apostrophe, for instance. Do I actually have to hold the key down until it changes to the 2nd character? I've been searching for a shortcut, but obviously not good enough. Thanks!
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Yea, with Samsung stock keyboards there is a key on the bottom left labeled "Sym" touch that and it'll change the keyboards QWERTY keys into symbols. Once you press that, the capitalization key that's right above "Sym" will turn into a key labeled "1/2", pressing that will give you another set of less commonly used symbols.
You'll notice the "Sym" key has turned into an "ABC" key when you switch to symbols. Touching that goes back to your regular keyboard. It's a billion times less complicated then how it sounds with my description, but I wanted to be as detailed as possible.
Also, welcome to Android.
Thanks. I was hoping for something like iphones have where you swipe from the SYM button over to the punctuation then upon releasing the key, the keyboard reverts back to the ABC keyboard. Just a bit quicker, I think. Of course, they've probably copyrighted that function and would viciously defend it against imitators!
haterbait said:
Thanks. I was hoping for something like iphones have where you swipe from the SYM button over to the punctuation then upon releasing the key, the keyboard reverts back to the ABC keyboard. Just a bit quicker, I think. Of course, they've probably copyrighted that function and would viciously defend it against imitators!
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You know, it can very well have that. It's never occurred to me to try it. These android keyboards do have swype, which is done by gliding your finger across the keys and words and sentences are formed without ever lifting your finger, so give it a try.
The beautiful thing about android keyboards over their iPhone variant, is the freedom you have to choose from tons of different ones on the marketplace. Different keyboards with different key placements, different levels of customizations, pretty much if you can think of it, it exists. So if your not happy with what shipped with your device nobody is forcing you to use it like Apple does. Head over to the Play Store and find something you like better.
One keyboard app called Swiftkey, is a personal favorite of mine, it's lightening quick to use and very customizable. There's a reason why it's the #1 purchased app on the store. So give it a try and remember you have a 15 minute refund policy with Android, so if you don't like it just return it.
On the playstore, try “multiling O keyboard”
You'll get all the customization you desire.
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My favorite keyboard is "Thumb Keyboard" from Beansoft. I've been using it since my Xoom a few years ago. I like that it's split in half so when you're in landscape, you hold the tablet with 2 hands and use both thumbs without having to let go to get to keys in the middle. I'm not affiliated with the developer or anything, I just think it's a cool keyboard and I thought I'd share. :good:
Thanks Everyone
Another feature that I'm liking is the floating keyboard. It allows me to use the Spen to quickly swipe text with the keyboard in the corner of the screen. It seems like that keyboard lags though, unfortunately. I'll look into other options in the store then. Thanks again.
The new SwiftKey does the "floating" thing. It's fantastic. Plus you can customize the long-press duration.
SomeGuyDude said:
The new SwiftKey does the "floating" thing. It's fantastic. Plus you can customize the long-press duration.
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I just noticed that swiftkey has a free version in the marketplace. I thought it was pay only. Anyways, hater give it a try. It can be highly personalized to match your style of typing. At first it might feel like it's not giving you what you expect, but that's only because it hasn't learned from you yet. After using for short while it'll learn your finger movements, what words you like to use, your style, etc. It's mind boggling how well it gets to know you and if you login with your Google account you can install swift key on any other Android device in the future and it'll carry that knowledge of your tendencies with it.
The free version seems to be a limited trial of 1 month. I am liking it though! The swipe typing seems a bit more accurate for my sloppy typing/swiping.

Hate the updated Google keyboard...

I just had to uninstall this update.
Not only was the grey swipe lines ugly/bland, but long pressing the period key has none of my fav keys I use very often.
Eg.
/
(
)
+
Etc...
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isajoo said:
I just had to uninstall this update.
Not only was the grey swipe lines ugly/bland, but long pressing the period key has none of my fav keys I use very often.
Eg.
/
(
)
+
Etc...
LOL
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Yes I find it irritating for the same reasons. What did you have to uninstall to get the old one back?
Personally I don't use those keys that much and prefer the new way, but FYI, you can reach these in a relatively simple way by swiping from the 123 key(the one that takes you to the additional characters) and to the appropriate key. When you release your finger it will insert the selected character and take you back to the main screen with letters.
This way it is actually just as simple as if they were on the punctuation key.
retro83: If the google keyboard was installed from the factory(on the system partition), you can go to settings and apps, and choose uninstall update for that app. That way you will return to the version that came with the latest os update.
If it isn't on the system partition, you will have to find the old apk somewhere, but I'm sure that is doable as well.
retro83 said:
Yes I find it irritating for the same reasons. What did you have to uninstall to get the old one back?
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Thank you!
Just tried the swiping directly from the "?123" button and that really helps out a lot, I can live without the blue swipe line.
LOL
Guess I just got sooo use to the period button shortcut options and didn't really see the point of removing those extra choices.
Guess Google knows best, just wished they'd told users about the tip you gave.
mortenmhp said:
you can reach these in a relatively simple way by swiping from the 123 key(the one that takes you to the additional characters) and to the appropriate key. When you release your finger it will insert the selected character and take you back to the main screen with letters.
This way it is actually just as simple as if they were on the punctuation key.
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Thank you for this! The key doesn't even have the "..." on it, so I had no idea and I've been cursing the new keyboard for exactly the same reason. I don't really see how the long-press keys hurt anything in the old keyboard, but knowing this makes it a lot better and I can get used to this.
Well, looks like Google listened to all the poor reviews and the new/latest update adds back all those hold period button short cuts, really helps out left handed Swiper's.
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