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i have upgraded to LVSW(2007/04/23) RUU_Hermes_WWE_3.30.0.1 and now work like hell

2 weeks ago i have upgraded to lvsw latest rom release and is the worst release (sorry for that m8).... manny apps doesn't work.... and even the last one before this was much better :|.... and any1 can help me how can i get back to the original orange rom... like when i buyed from the storage? thank u....

Hey, this is bull**** - can u specify which apps etc? I am using LVSW 20070423 from the first day of release and no problem...

This ROM is pretty damned good - so slow operation is probably something you've got installed.
To go back to your original orange ROM (PRESUMABLY wm5) you first need a copy of the original ROM, then follow Mrvanx's guide.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299462
maddogydog said:
2 weeks ago i have upgraded to lvsw latest rom release and is the worst release (sorry for that m8).... manny apps doesn't work.... and even the last one before this was much better :|.... and any1 can help me how can i get back to the original orange rom... like when i buyed from the storage? thank u....
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MaRaHoX said:
Hey, this is bull**** - can u specify which apps etc? I am using LVSW 20070423 from the first day of release and no problem...
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lol... i know is bull****... prob is when i m tryin to call ... i hear 2 sounds ... and that`s it ... and office give me this error "Program Not Recognised" .. anyway ... now i am with the previous of lvsw rom

Problem during a call I supposed in GSM part, which is indipendent on LVSW's ROM (maybe other causes - 3rd party app, bad A2DP mod etc.) - but primary try new RADIO ROM.
Office works me well - I just try it before a few secs (immediately after HR) and its ok?
I am using phone daily for hard work and no problems, you mentioned.
Some unstability was caused by wrong Page Pool, but I suppose, that it is not your case.

LVSW ROM is very good, I like it compared to others. Try installing a new radio and try a hard reset or reflash it.

Remember LVSW bundles the Radio along with his ROMs, could you please tell us your Radio version??

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Remember LVSW bundles the Radio along with his ROMs, could you please tell us your Radio version??
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@mrvanx, LVSW 20070423 is an OS-only distribution. He recommends that Hard-SPL-v7 and Radio 1.41.00.10 be installed beforehand (links provided). A deviation from his previous ROMs.
John

maddogydog said:
2 weeks ago i have upgraded to lvsw latest rom release and is the worst release (sorry for that m8).... manny apps doesn't work.... and even the last one before this was much better :|.... and any1 can help me how can i get back to the original orange rom... like when i buyed from the storage? thank u....
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What do you mean many apps doesn't work? All apps works on mine..IMO, LVSW's rom is the best. There must be something you didn't follow correctly or you installed some bull**** 3rd party apps. I am sorry if that offense you.

LSVW 423 is a great ROM - fast with all the bits I want and none of the bits I don't want, but I'm having issues with hanging on soft resets (about 10%) of the time as well as freezing and not able to resume from suspend. I have had these issues with most if not all the WM6 ROMs and can't figure it out.
Anyone else with similar issues?

Meanwhile orange have released a new WM5 AKU3.3 rom on their business site.

I've had no issues with LVSW 4/23 rom. I use the phone heavly during each day for the office and I never had experienced any issues. LVSV rom is the most stable in my opion. All apps are working as they should.
I only down graded my radio back to 1.40.30.00 cause of stability and the fact 1.41.xx.xx kept dropping my calls between 3G to Edge, not to mention weaker signal. Fact, 1.40.30.00 is I beleive the offical ATT radio release ATM (I might be wrong, something more official may be out).
Did you read the entire forum before flashing? As Johnburn mentioned, LVSW repackaged to OS only and given specific instructions to Hard-SPL-v7 and Radio before the OS only ROM due to issues on the his first post of the full package.

I think you're the only who has bad experience w/ LVSW release and you blamed it on the ROM. way to go.

khammo01 said:
LSVW 423 is a great ROM - fast with all the bits I want and none of the bits I don't want, but I'm having issues with hanging on soft resets (about 10%) of the time as well as freezing and not able to resume from suspend. I have had these issues with most if not all the WM6 ROMs and can't figure it out.
Anyone else with similar issues?
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yep exact same issue right here.
LOVE the roms, hate the fact that I keep freezing in suspend with all wm6 roms.
thought it was my phone till I flashed back to wm5, and its working perfectly again.

charbz said:
yep exact same issue right here.
LOVE the roms, hate the fact that I keep freezing in suspend with all wm6 roms.
thought it was my phone till I flashed back to wm5, and its working perfectly again.
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What do you have installed??? Also please note if installed programs are on the DEVICE or MEMORY CARD. What today items do you have??? And did you have cabs in the extended ROM??? All of these things will affect the device and could possibility cause it to lock up. Any whos I have no problems with WM6.

charbz said:
yep exact same issue right here.
LOVE the roms, hate the fact that I keep freezing in suspend with all wm6 roms.
thought it was my phone till I flashed back to wm5, and its working perfectly again.
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to fix the freezing go to:
start-> settings-> today-> items(tab)-> and set the today timeout to 12hr

stukes said:
What do you have installed??? Also please note if installed programs are on the DEVICE or MEMORY CARD. What today items do you have??? And did you have cabs in the extended ROM??? All of these things will affect the device and could possibility cause it to lock up. Any whos I have no problems with WM6.
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I always installed EVERYTHING on device memory. Nothing on storage card (even though it worked fine with Wm5 for anything other than Today apps).
I thought it was my applications so I went back to scratch. Even no apps installed and even with SD card removed, it fails to wake up from sleep if anything other than Exchange Activesync tried to use the radio while it was asleep.
Main culprits include IMAP mail sync and weather app syncing. You can verify this by setting sync interval to some ridiculously low value (every 5 minutes) and then watch a sitcom or something. It will be locked by the time it's over. (Hey, I just looked down and whaddya know, my phone is locked again).
There are some files laying around in extended ROM but They are not installed on hard reset. Are you saying they might be interfering nevertheless?
I hear rumors that LSVW 3/23 does not have this problem so I'm going to try that one last time. If I can't resolve it, I'm going back to WM5.

webpain said:
to fix the freezing go to:
start-> settings-> today-> items(tab)-> and set the today timeout to 12hr
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Hmm... seems an unlikely fix. Is this verified to work? What about just unchecking the Today timeout box altogether? I'll give it a try...
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I tried the Today timeout fix and it still locks up.

@khammo01
Good to see you have tried to isolate the problem. However you say that a fresh install also locks up. If this is true then the problem is deeper. Have you tried each Cooked ROM? I have and only by preference choose Black2.5. So far the only lock-up I have had came from a today plugin. WHich I should have put on the DEVICE instead of the CARD. At times the Active Sync appears to be sluggish but it is only right as it connects. Then all is well. Verify your download and try again.

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@khammo01
Good to see you have tried to isolate the problem. However you say that a fresh install also locks up. If this is true then the problem is deeper. Have you tried each Cooked ROM? I have and only by preference choose Black2.5. So far the only lock-up I have had came from a today plugin. WHich I should have put on the DEVICE instead of the CARD. At times the Active Sync appears to be sluggish but it is only right as it connects. Then all is well. Verify your download and try again.
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I have tried LSVW, Black 2.0, 2.5, Dutty, Custel, you name it. They all have the sleep error.
If I have IMAP or anything enabled that uses the radio when the device is asleep, I get lockups.
Basically I cannot enable anything useful. I'm going to try LSVW 3/23 (pretty much the only ROM I haven't tried) and if that doesn't work, I'm going back to WM5.

So we can bring on WM6 - but why?

Hi all
I just got myself sent a Hermes the other day and I was looking around here, my favourite XDA resource, for nifty things I could do with it. One thing that seems to be all the rage is upgrading to WM6. Now, I'm all in favour of upgrading and the amount of information and material here is, well, staggering. Overwhelming even. But, for all I read, I miss one critical thing: why do we upgrade to WM6? What does it give us that WM5 doesn't?
All I see, at the moment, is a swankier interface and a faster operation. But neither of those are big sellers in themselves and don't justify the bricking and incompatibility risks. So, what's the big appeal that I've missed? I guess I'm looking for an excuse to do this
Lastly, as I mentioned, there's almost too much information about all this. i can follow the guides and tools for installation but one thing will vex me if I was to upgrade - and that's which ROM to use. Now I'm certain every one of you has a favourite and so I'm not looking for a definitive recommendation, but what the hot ones that I should look into at the moment? As I see it, the "XDA Live" and "Black" see pretty popular..
Cheers!

Three reasons for me.
1. TomTom doesn't occassionally freeze
2. Easier to set as a modem
3. More responsive menus, button presses, etc
By the way WM6 is more like WM5 second edition rather than a brand new system.

wywywywy said:
Three reasons for me.
1. TomTom doesn't occassionally freeze
2. Easier to set as a modem
3. More responsive menus, button presses, etc
By the way WM6 is more like WM5 second edition rather than a brand new system.
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Pretty much says it all. I never soft reset anymore. More memory, faster than WM5, better tweaks, and has some things WM5 didn't cooked in to the ROM. As for the risk of bricking, that's an extremely low risk, very minimal actually, if you follow the guide and wiki.

and html email is not to be sneezed at.

Because we can!

Mobile Office 2k7 can read o2k7 native formats. You will never see this on WM5 unless some imgfs God with a lot of time on his/her hands ports it there....
Native SD card encryption is Huge. The A2DP stack is a thing of wonder too....

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Because we can!
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exactly!!!!!!!!

My softbank x01ht came with WM5 and the only upgrade I did was the radio upgrade to 1.40.
May be it is my luck, but my x01ht seems really stable in its original ROM version (WM5 aku 2), I have never hard reset and the machine seems really stable. So my need to upgrade to WM6 to avoid system hang is not really existing.
Also, I use a lot of BUILT-IN functions such as Push Email, Wifi and Chinese support (my x01ht was flashed with a Hong Kong version 838 pro ROM before sold to me). If ANY one of such functions is WORSE in WM6 than in WM5, than WM6 is a no no for me. I can't stand any frequent freeze of the x01ht because I now depend solely on it for my daily phone/PIM use. If I don't have it working 100% normal, then I will lose many important phone calls.

I see WM6 really as an evolution of WM5. In WM6, MS has fixed many bugs that were in WM5, for example:
- Crappy A2DP
- WiFi now supports WPA
- HTML email
- Faster and more stable
- I'm sure MS has updated little things here and there to make WM6 more telco-standards (GSM, etc.) compliant

Well, are you still using Windows 95 on your PC?
My reasons for upgrading have been for (in order of importance) the speed, bug fixes, better memory management, the X button actually closing the app not just minimising it, Office updates, better compatibility and usability in the new Internet Explorer, etc.
When I bought my TyTN I was shocked by how slowly it responded to user input compared to previous Pocket PCs I'd owned.
After the developments that started occurring here a few months ago, there really was no turning back. I upgraded and now the OS is quick and very responsive. WM6 has been a godsend. The phone application also doesn't take 3-4 seconds to load when I press the call button to answer a call like it used to!
WM6 also has a much more polished look to it I think.

hold on, TomTom still freezes on mine with WM6 !
I still love it though (tomtom that is and wm6)
Let me know if this is solved will ya ?
ta
bb

I did it simply because WM5 was a little unstable and I love experimenting / playing with stuff like this.
A side benefit which I didn't know I would get is the LVSW version that I installed allows WPA2 & WPA2-PSK authentication on the Wi-Fi. That meant I could run my Hermes at the same security as my network and didn't have to modify my wireless router and other PCs.
There's probably still a few other good reasons that haven't been mentioned in this thread yet.
Cheers, Oggy.

Bug fixing, more speed,...
With WM5 I had issues like the phone applicatoin reacted too slowy on an incomming call. so i missed the call. Or sometimes it even didn't ring.
WM6 works in that point.

bingobob said:
hold on, TomTom still freezes on mine with WM6 !
I still love it though (tomtom that is and wm6)
Let me know if this is solved will ya ?
ta
bb
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Did you install TomTom 6.03??? As of that version I never had freezes anymore...

I to have tomtom lockup and sloooooowwwww to get map directions. Please I miss my fast tomtom 6. I am using 6.03. I wonder if i did something wrong. I never had this problem with wm5.

What about support?
One benefit of wm6 is that the hackers, tweakers, rom cookers, and random slackers such as myself keep this hermes wm6 forum active (albeit sometimes unforgiving to newcomers). If you have a question about wm6 on a hermes, it is probably already answered here. Can as much be said for the wm5 forums?

Just works
Personally I was about to ditch my TyTN. The default OS was infuriatingly slow, buggy, and had me resetting several times per day. If I hadn't stumbled upon XDA-develoopers and started flashing WM6, I would probably be a Nokia user again... WM6 just works. I've flashed maybe 10 different versions now, also the radio, and it's completely worth it. No big risk of bricking if you do your homework first.

F*SH said:
... faster operation. But neither of those are big sellers in themselves and don't justify the bricking and incompatibility risks. So, what's the big appeal that I've missed?
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I don't think anyone with half a brain has bricked their phone doing an OS only upgrade (especially if they read the wiki etc etc)... and you answered your own question... who doesnt want a faster device?

LazPL said:
Personally I was about to ditch my TyTN. The default OS was infuriatingly slow, buggy, and had me resetting several times per day. If I hadn't stumbled upon XDA-develoopers and started flashing WM6, I would probably be a Nokia user again... WM6 just works. I've flashed maybe 10 different versions now, also the radio, and it's completely worth it. No big risk of bricking if you do your homework first.
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I feel the same way as LazPL in that I was about to stop using the phone.
What I hated most about WM5 was a lack of real integration between the phone and contacts funtions, eg.:
. If you chose a call from the recent call list you could not access the contact directly (eg. if you just tried calling someone on their fixed line and wanted to try their mobile, you could not just click on the recent call you just made and select a different type of number, you had to select the name again from the list). In WM6 you can do this
. If you saved an unknown number from your recent call list it would automatically create a new contact, instead of giving you the option to save it in an existing contact (and choosing what type of number it was) or creating a new contact. In WM6 you can.
For me these 2 were just basic everyday usability features that I can find in the cheapest phones, and totally unacceptable to be missing in a €600 device. On the basis of these 2 alone, upgrading to WM6 was worth it.
In addition, my original Orange ROM had some bugs that were just pathetic (although these could have been cured with a newer ROM, or perhaps were due to the original radio ROM - which I also upgraded - and not the OS):
. Calls to busy numbers started blaring the busy tone through the loudspeaker (very loud)
. Trying to answer a call waiting would freeze the phone and require a soft reset
Hope that helps.

Pastings WIFI keys!!!
I've not been able to paste a wifi key in my WM05 ROM somone told me it was security...
rubish i think M$ to implement the copy/paste code.
Modem -> Bluetooth PAN is HUGELY more stable, my connection used to drop all the time in modem mode, i can now sit for 2 hours on my laptop at coffee shops and surf the web, whithout paying silly 1 day WIFI pass prices!

Black Shadow IV Problem

Hey guys,
First post on the forum, so I hope I don't offend/irritate with my dumbass questions,
I successfully flashed to the Black Shadow IV rom yesterday. I installed all th e helpful cab files to restore my settings to the orange standard and got the skdcert fix for the voicemail quirk. All seems (seemed) to be running smoothly but I then stumble upon a problem.
I have found that I am resetting the device more than I should due to the fact that whenever I try to make a call, 5 times out of 10 the phone just crashes, all the buttons freeze up and the touch screen doesn't respond. On the odd occassion the buttons freeze but the screen still responds butr there's no way to drop the call. It just wont have it.
I upgraded to the Black IV shadow rom, but did not upgrade the radio which was out of the box at version 1.38.00.01. Could this be the root of the problem? I am running SPL- 2.10 Olipro.
Any ideas guys, you're the experts, I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut.
Thanks in advance.
Gav

The 1.38 radio is pretty stable. However, if you are in the US, you might want to try upgrading it to the 1.40 radio which is AT&T optimized.

That ROM was released and is supported here: http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/htc-hermes/

Same happend to me too, I used Black Shadow IV for a week and now removed it, It is not stable.
My Jasjam hangs all the time and when conncting to PC.
Regards

Yeah, same. I used it for 3 days or so and crashed frequently. No additional programs installed either. BAD ROM

i've had nothing but a good experience with Shadow IV. ::shrug:: seems stable enough to me. it's never locked up on me and i've never had to reset except when i chose to to clear out the old memory once in a while.
as i mentioned in another thread, i have not installed any spb apps since they seem to have problems w/ WM6. i've had problems on a couple of different ROMs w/ the Spb apps.
could it be something that you've got installed and not the ROM itself? i had to do a little process of elimiation by installing basically one or two apps a day and seeing how it ran. things started going badly when the Spb apps were on there (Mobiel Shell, Time, Weather, Diary) so I haven't reinstalled them.
anyway, it could be something other than the ROM that is causing the instability.
regards,
mark

having multiple problems as well. cannot send text messages on cingular even after trying multiple fixes, frequent slowdowns, have had to soft reset at least once daily and also having problems with random lockups when charging. Going to reflash another rom.

having multiple problems as well. cannot send text messages on cingular even after trying multiple fixes, frequent slowdowns, have had to soft reset at least once daily and also having problems with random lockups when charging. Going to reflash another rom.

Am on Orange UK, and after running Black shadow for a while now I would rate it as the most stable ROM I have used. Admittedly I have only dabbled with some of the others, but have not felt the need to do more as am happy with what I have.
I did have an issue with SPB weather that others did not seem to have, but after romoving it, everything seems to be running fine. I soft reset every few days etc but I am happy with that.
Tis a bit strong to write BAD ROM with such certainty based on an individual experience, given that it works well for so many. Perhaps "This ROM did not work well for me" would be better.
Just a thought.

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The 1.38 radio is pretty stable. However, if you are in the US, you might want to try upgrading it to the 1.40 radio which is AT&T optimized.
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May be it is the radio rom, I have now installed radio 1.38 then Black Shadow IV and will try it for a few days and see how it works.

Also crash
Also crash and then back to Black 3.5 rom is Stable!

Still the same even with Radio 1.38, Crash when connected to PC and deep sleep in standby.

Use to have same problems while running CE-Star. Virtually permanently freezing on making/receiving calls, sending SMS and simple operations with the device.
After manualy setting chinese character set (thanks to XDA-Devs WIKI ) the ROM is extremely stable. Even trying to "destroy" the system with multiple operations (calls, internet browsing, sync, installing new soft, etc.) do not freezes it - very stable.
Suspect in your case you are using software which makes some changes to the system, consequently destabilizes the ROM

marttin said:
Use to have same problems while running CE-Star. Virtually permanently freezing on making/receiving calls, sending SMS and simple operations with the device.
After manualy setting chinese character set (thanks to XDA-Devs WIKI ) the ROM is extremely stable. Even trying to "destroy" the system with multiple operations (calls, internet browsing, sync, installing new soft, etc.) do not freezes it - very stable.
Suspect in your case you are using software which makes some changes to the system, consequently destabilizes the ROM
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Hi,i am runing Black 3.0.1 and ce-star,like ou said freezing ,and my problem is when i use CE-STAR keyboard,it is Freezing too.where i can find the setting chinese charscter set?
thanks

Been running Black Shadow for 5 days, alongwith Radio 1.43, without any problem...

I've been running Black Shadow on T-mo US w/1.43 rom and I've had no problems.

I have been running Black Shadow since it was released and no problems so far.

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Hi,i am runing Black 3.0.1 and ce-star,like ou said freezing ,and my problem is when i use CE-STAR keyboard,it is Freezing too.where i can find the setting chinese charscter set?
thanks
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Use WIKI and SEARCH funstion
You can go first to http://wiki.xda-developers.com/ and click on Hermes. After that use SEARCH function with keyword "chinese". Should get the following page:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WM5_Tweak_Language_Chinese
I am using for few days Black Shadow with 1.43 Radio, able to read Chinese Characters thanks to the described in WIKI method and no problems. Personaly I installed A4 input method as it serves me at best. I didn't change the registry manualy, but used the cab, it works perfect. Simply follow the instructions.
The only issue is that when serving internet with IE Chinese sites do not apear properly. Suppose it is needed additional fixing of the fonts in IE. Do not have time at present to explore the issue, but suppose to deal with it next week. In case you find a solution for IE please share the method on this thread-- Thanks
PS. Have tested Micrsoft Input -- simply do not works. Causes a lot of problems and destroys totaly the standard inputs

All,
I have been running this ROM for just under a week and the thing has been 100% solid - not a single problem.
I also agree with a previous statement in this thread, that to refer to the ROM as "BAD" based on a single attempt is somewhat unfair! Maybe it is this sort of thing that has forced some of the more senior Hermes developers away from this site and on to another location. Ever thought about it that way?
It is just my opinion, but we (all forum users) should do one of two things if we "chose" to use someone elses development. They are,
Acknowledge (privately or publically) the time and effort that has gone into producing something. The best way to do that is by constructive feedback even if the experience hasn't been as you expected
Say nothing if you can't make it constructive!
To place a one liner in a response with a "throw away" comment is about as useful to either the developer or the other forum users as.........well,..................no I won't go any further because it's not constructive
For the record - this version of the Black release has rectified a localised issue I was having with my WLAN that other version had not resolved.
If you chose to use it - great, join in. If not, equally great. Good luck with your chosen selection of ROM.
Rant end

marttin said:
Use WIKI and SEARCH funstion
You can go first to http://wiki.xda-developers.com/ and click on Hermes. After that use SEARCH function with keyword "chinese". Should get the following page:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WM5_Tweak_Language_Chinese
I am using for few days Black Shadow with 1.43 Radio, able to read Chinese Characters thanks to the described in WIKI method and no problems. Personaly I installed A4 input method as it serves me at best. I didn't change the registry manualy, but used the cab, it works perfect. Simply follow the instructions.
The only issue is that when serving internet with IE Chinese sites do not apear properly. Suppose it is needed additional fixing of the fonts in IE. Do not have time at present to explore the issue, but suppose to deal with it next week. In case you find a solution for IE please share the method on this thread-- Thanks
PS. Have tested Micrsoft Input -- simply do not works. Causes a lot of problems and destroys totaly the standard inputs
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Why are Cooked ROMs so much more stable than Official ROMs

I have been using cooked ROMs for so long now that I can't even remember. Only very recently have I been forced to use official ROMs becuase of unavailability of HardSPLs.
I have only had this issue with two devices the Touch Pro2 and Imagio but i'm pretty sure that it happens with other models also.
Error examples:
'a problem has occurred with fexplorer.exe'
'a problem has occurred with services.exe'
I am a flash freek and every time I load about 100+ games and about 150+ applications so before everyone starts saying that when you load so many softwares something bad is bound to happen. I have already considered that but here is why i thing the problem is with official ROMs.
- I flashed official ROM and hard reset
- I first left out all the games and only installed the applications but the problem was still there.
- I then split the applications in half and after another hard reset tried with first batch and problem was there. I hard reset and also tried the second batch and problem was there.
- I am not so desperate an i am installing softwares one at a time and then testing for 10-15 mins and then installing the next software to pinpoint the problem.
even with the last approach I cannot pinpoint which software is causing the problem. Sometimes the phone crashes after 10 applications installed and sometimes after I reach 40 applications.
Now some of you will ask and suggest if maybe the problem is with the softwares. Most of the softwares I have are from freewarepocketpc.net but how can it be the software when all these softwares are the same ones that I have been using without any issues on Cooked ROMs for months and not a single crash on the Cooked ROMs.
I have been scratching my head and trying to figure out what is that secret ingredient in the Cooked ROMs that make them so stable and what can we do to make our official ROMs stable.
At one point I though Microsoft .NET Compact Framework was the culprit and so I tired several times with and without it installed and the problem was still there so I ruled it out.
I also tried installing SDK certs on the official ROM but that did'nt fix it either.
Help me out here guys, what am I missing, whats that Secret Ingredient in the cooked ROMs that make them so stable?

Fairy dust, us cooks sprinkle a little over the rom in the building process and it makes them super stable.
Personally I have never had those two errors on a stock rom. Might I ask which brand of those phones are you using? (aka, is it an AT&T, Telstra, Verizon, etc.) Sometimes (make that 99% of the time) the carrier's version of a rom is THE WORST there can be, causing problems like that.
With that note out of the way, you have tried using it without installing anything for a bit to see if the problem still persists right? If not, it could be one, or more likely more than one application is causing it to die.

the secret words for tonight are
"disable error reporting in your ROM"
most of cooks use this secret weapon.
=)

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Personally I have never had those two errors on a stock rom. Might I ask which brand of those phones are you using? (aka, is it an AT&T, Telstra, Verizon, etc.) Sometimes (make that 99% of the time) the carrier's version of a rom is THE WORST there can be, causing problems like that.
With that note out of the way, you have tried using it without installing anything for a bit to see if the problem still persists right? If not, it could be one, or more likely more than one application is causing it to die.
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For Verizon Imagio i've used the official shipped ROM
I also had the same problem on the T-Mobile Touch Pro2 with its shipped WM6.1 ROM and once the HardSPL came out, i tried with the European Pro2 WM6.5 Official ROM and that also had same problem.
Yes I tried using the ROMs without any softwares and they work just fine. So that brings me to the conclusion that the softwares that I am installing are causing this but the problem is how to pinpoint which softwares and if it turns out that a wide variety of softwares are causing this (my suspicion) then why is it happening only with official ROMs and not cooked ones?

serfer222 said:
the secret words for tonight are
"disable error reporting in your ROM"
most of cooks use this secret weapon.
=)
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Does this mean that windows mobile is so unstable that the only way to fix it is to give an illusion of stability by disabling the error reporting?
Say it isn't so, I love WM and if things are so bad with it then I have nowhere else to go.

serfer222 said:
the secret words for tonight are
"disable error reporting in your ROM"
most of cooks use this secret weapon.
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We have a winner!

Thanks
serfer222 said:
the secret words for tonight are
"disable error reporting in your ROM"
most of cooks use this secret weapon.
=)
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After thinking about it a few minutes I get it now. I am shocked that I spent over week testing hundreds of softwares one by one when I could have just disabled the reporting. Thanks for the secret ingredient, i'll give it a go and report back in 1-2 days how my ROM is responding. I can already notice a slight increase in speed.

I know this is blashphemy on XDA, but I have the opposite issue. I've never encountered a cooked ROM as bug free as a stock ROM. Maybe this is b/c I've never bought a carrier phone and always gone for the unbranded, unlocked device, so I've had a clean stock rom to start off with... But with every cooked ROM I've tried (and to be fair, I don't flash regularly like I used to - so maybe things are getting better), there's always something wrong even if its a minute detail like text out of place on some screen hidden away in settings that most users don't find, or lost functionality of special buttons in oem programs like Opera (that most XDAers don't know about b/c they flash the first day they get the device), or lack of proper support for landscape, or improper bluetooth implementations where A2DP doesn't work like it used to, etc.

sonus said:
I know this is blashphemy on XDA, but I have the opposite issue. I've never encountered a cooked ROM as bug free as a stable ROM. Maybe this is b/c I've never bought a carrier phone and always gone for the unbranded, unlocked device, so I've had a clean stock rom to start off with... But with every cooked ROM I've tried (and to be fair, I don't flash regularly like I used to - so maybe things are getting better), there's always something wrong even if its a minute detail like text out of place on some screen hidden away in settings that most users don't find, or lost functionality of special buttons in oem programs like Opera (that most XDAers don't know about b/c they flash the first day they get the device), or lack of proper support for landscape, or improper bluetooth implementations where A2DP doesn't work like it used to, etc.
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I think a lot of cooks are very short-sighted on these issues. I have a habit of testing every button, every program and every feature multiple times before a ROM goes out the door, and I still miss things. Many of the factory ROM's I've used are bad in this regard as well (my Fuze connecting to a secured WiFi network for one). Cutting off the error reporting doesn't really do that much, but I've had crashes before where I had to turn it on to find a bug that was stopping the ROM from working.

Dizzy looking at ...
Man, I got dizzy by looking at your avatar.

Everyone says that.

New T-Mobile WM 6.5 COMPLETE FAIL (or may be not?)

IDK why, but since I have installed the new ROM released by T-Mobile, my phone is nothing but trouble. My text messages are really slow. Once I click the "All Messages" tab and I click on a conversation it needs 10 seconds to load it. Then if I try to go back, the phone freezes and the only way to unfreeze it is to soft reset it.
Then the Wi-Fi sharing doesnt work. I installed it but there is no trace of it in the whole phone.
The phone it self is slow. After a reset needs few mins (up to 10) to load that little quick menu that is located on the top right corner of the screen. No matter what I want to do it needs a sh*t load of time to do it.
It annoys the f*ck out of me, does someone else have the same problems with this ROM?
I apologize for the swears but I am really annoyed by this THING and I want to go back to the stock 6.1 or a cooked ROM.
BTW when I tried to download the HARDSPL from the forum, my anti-virus told me that there is a trojan in it.
P.S. I just saw that it doesnt show me the notification for new SMS, also I have the annoying (1) on the SMS icon in the HTC Sence. I know I can fix it with the fix that is given in the forum, im just saying... Is that a bug that should still be there? I am disappointed with WM, the 6.5 has more problems than the 6.1...

I've noticed when upgrading to vzw 6.5 my phone was slow too. I stuck with it for a couple days and gave up all hope. I'm now on MightyRom and occasionally load up SPB mobile shell. Mobile shell requires more frequent restarts (every other day). The mightyrom is mad stable and hasn't given me problems (you can't use mightyrom it is cdma only, I suggest pheonix or valkryie for you).
HardSPL is not a trojan if you download it from this site or ppc geeks, no need to worry on that end (i'm running business class vipre and malwarebytes professional).

I was running McAfee.
Can you give me a link for the HardSPL? Ill be looking for a cooked rom, but that will be when I am home. Anyway, Ill have another post in this topic soon, since I just did a hard reset and I want to see if it gives me the same problems, but so far is still slow and I don't give it much hope...

lbyankov said:
I was running McAfee.
Can you give me a link for the HardSPL? Ill be looking for a cooked rom, but that will be when I am home. Anyway, Ill have another post in this topic soon, since I just did a hard reset and I want to see if it gives me the same problems, but so far is still slow and I don't give it much hope...
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you should install nopushinternet and ssk dynamic resource proxy cabs, those will help out immensely with some of that device lag. ( http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=1295157&postcount=2 )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232414&d=1254156455
Personally I don't like McAfee or any of those bundled suites that dell/hp/gateway/etc include. Kaspersky, Vipre, ESET, BitDefender are all better IMO.

Downloaded it. It showed improovement right away just like you said.
Also downloaded HardSPL, McAfee shows no trojans. I will look for the ROMs you recomended and ill get back to the topic soon.

I'm not getting the same problems with the 6.5 update. It might be the other programs that you're running in addition to the update. I don't get the Quick Menu delay. Wifi sharing has been working.

Hard-SPL has NO trojans! This has to do with how they packed the file. For some reason, security programs have issues with it. Just completely disable all your security for a little bit and install it, no trojan.

I have no problems with my 6.5 update. Maybe you should try hard reseting your phone or flashing the software again.
Seeing as it has been way over a month since this was released and beyond your load voice, there have been few if any complaints, I'm doubting this update was a complete fail. As such your topic heading is WRONG.
And tell us what steps you took in flashing the update, was it a success. How did you restore your data to the device? Is it possible that your restore of text messages corrupted the device somehow (faulty backup/restore software?).
Again, I would hard reset/reflash the device. Load no software or backups and see how your text messages are.

I upgraded to Tmo 6.5 the night I got my phone, so I can't comment on the 15 mins I used 6.1 for. But all I know is that after 6.5 it was like getting the phone all over again. Everything worked perfectly, then I started getting stuff off these forums. While 98% of all the cabs and apps work great, and work flawlessly on the system, there's been a handful that haven't. I've down the "Clear Storage" 5 times since yesterday b/c I think I have finally developed a plan..
All I can say is that the swype 3.9 keyboard totally killed my phone, had to do sys restore for that (twice b/c I thought it was something else before I read that thread) I've tried all the WiFi Sharing cabs, and the only one that works is AssasinsLament 'slotted' cabs. Just chose any number of those and it will show up in your start menu, however, never your CommManager. SoftKey manager doesn't work (or anything to change the softkeys b/c TF3d overrides it no matter what)
Why would I want no-push-internet? I always want my phone to be connected, or am I missing something? I don't use exchange, and its off in my CommMgr, do I still need a cab??
but yeah, I don't think this rom is FAIL, if anything, I hope they release 6.5.3 w/ Sense 2.5 if they aren't going to give us our WPS7..that would be nice. But yeah, back to my plan, I never want to use a cooked ROM, not that I don't trust anyone, but its just damn scary and don't want to miss out on any stock features, so I just created a directory on my PC HDD called "Good Roms" once I determine which work the best, they will be there, I'll do one final Clear Storage and get it rocking!

I actually agree with him. tmo 6.5 update felt like the device was running through mud. everything was slow, scrolling, loading programs etc. the memory usage was too high as well; why anyone would want 66% of their resources dedicated to running eye candy is beyond me. the speed was fixed, for me, by installing cell pro and or cell evo roms. that guys roms are insane stable and fast. however the problem, again, was the memory usage which is a symptom of sense 2.1 or higher (dont get me started on sense 2.5). his roms were awesome but running multiple programs almost became impossible. i could open opera 9.7 and maybe one other program in the background. if i tried more than that i ran into memory issues. i like having my most commonly used programs loaded and ready to go. couldnt do that with any sense 2.1 roms. when I reverted back to stock 6.1 tf3d 2.1 every thing was fixed: speed and memory. now i can have opera open in the background (usually 4-5 tabs open) mylifeorganized, pocket informant, pocket player, newsbreak, email, pocket quicken, and excel. even with all that open in the background I am around 65% memory consumed, a full 1% less than sense 2.1 allows by itself.
what would be nice is wm 6.5 or 6.5.x with tf3d. small footprint interface and a userfriendly os.

I have to agree with the OP. I did the 6.5 update and immediately regretted it. Thank goodness cdguider posted a 6.1 for back up!!
Programs that worked well in 6.1 became glitchy in 6.5. It was slower than molasses, and I dropped calls and missed text messages.
As with ALL roms, it is a matter of personal taste. I went back to 6.1 and have been a happy camper. For me it seems to be the more stable and reliable rom...and I tried MANY, stock and cooked. 6.1 just works better with the applications that I NEED. I like the eye candy of 6.5, but eye candy isn't worth it if it doesn't run the way I need it to.
I had a Wizard for many years and was a rom flashing fiend. While I have tried many cooked roms here, the stock 6.1 seems to be the best fit. This is not a fault of the great Rhodium chefs, but rather, I believe, fault with WinMo/Manilla/Sense and whatever else is frankenstein'd into 6.5 roms.

same here. 6.5 has been a disaster from day one. i am going back to 6.1 .i soft reset 10+ times a day just so my phone does not grind to a hault. gwes.exe is a system program and is the problem, its just no one can fix it

I did do the flash correctly. I did it exactly as the tmo web site said. Also, I have done hard reset and I have done the flash again... no help. Now im running fireSTORM_LEO-v6 WWE, and my phone is a whole new thing. No lag, no freezing. Of course there are some things I dont like about this ROM but its all cosmetic, and im sure there are cabs out there that can help. Also, somebody said that it might be the programs I am running or the text messages and data that I have on the phone. No it is not that because the phone was giving me problems even before I restored the data on the phone.
Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts. I will rename the topic since its obviously not a complete fail.