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Encoding video - best settings?

Hi I have just started using handbrake and I am a little baffled. What settings or programs do use to encode video for the Desire?
I tried one encode to .mp4 using h.264 codec however I only get the sound and no video. Any help would be appreciated....

use Mpeg-4 instead of h.264 at 800x480px, works fine

I use the built in settings for the iphone and it works fine!
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JaykaySLO said:
use Mpeg-4 instead of h.264 at 800x480px, works fine
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Hi how do you set the size to 800x480 and maintain the original aspect ratio?

There is no way. 800x480px is the max resolution to use. If you have a file with a lower res, leave it at that.

Oh I see, I'll give that a go....
It's really odd that there isn't a decent video player app out there.....

you can set the width to 800px and pres the keep aspect ratio. that will set the height to whatever is needed to keep the aspect ratio.

If your after a decent media player try nemoplayer (I cant post the link to the thread but the thread number is 598509)
I converted a video to [email protected], it stuttered a little with the default player, but played perfectly with nemoplayer.
As for conversion, I have found Xilisoft to be very good, I paid for it to convert videos for my iPod Touch as it has great default profiles and its very quick as it uses all 4 cores of my CPU.
For the settings it depends on the video but I have been using the following settings for x264 MP4 video, these settings should work with any video converter.
16x9 video:
1000Kbps
192Kbps audio (for movies and music videos, 128 might be good enough for most)
resolution 800x450
It leaves the smallest of boarders top and bottom but it retains the corrent aspect ratio
4x3 video
800Kbps
192Kbps
reolution 640x480

that`s an overkill. 800 Kbps @23 fps, 96k audio is well enough. It plays fine on default video player. Smaller file size as well.

I tied 800Kbps and found it looked no better than the music videos I purchased from itunes which are smaller again and have a lower resolution.
I suppose the best thing to do is play about with bit rate for the video and go with what you are happy with, file size isnt a big issue for me when it comes to movies or TV shows as I tend to only have one or two on the SD card at a time.
As for audio please anything lower than 128kbps should be illegal

There's actualy a very nice thread on these forums discussing the settings for the HTC topaz and which programs to use, but since google turns up this thread as the first one I guess I'll add a little comment here as well.
Any converter should work to convert video to the right format, it doesn't matter which one u use, as long as your converter has the options to set the video bitrate, audio bitrate, aspect ratio, frames per sec and maybe some extra audio settings. I use format factory and It works great.
Mp4 format with AVC H264 videocoding is the way to go. how you turn the settings out is up to you and the space on your SD card (or lack of one).
I use the following settings to play HD video on my HTC Topaz:
-MP4 format
-AVC (H264) videocoding on 512 bitrate (you might go up to 768, but will lag longer videos which you encode from a HD source) and a 800x480 resolution.
-AAC audiocoding on 128 bitrate (indeed the minimum for people with sufficient hearing-capabilities, otherwise you might wanna go lower than that, but not advised as you can definitely hear the difference) and 44100 sample rate.
-Framerate of 25 (fixed, no real need changing this anyway, it's the best framerate out there, any higher will probably slow down your video on mobile devices)
-aspect ratio of 4:3 (you can pretty much set this one however you like, as long as you don't let it decide automaticaly. if you're not sure about your aspect ratio use this setting)
These settings work great on Topaz and are probable to work for other HTC models, as long as they have a maximum resolution of 800x480. One more thing is to notice that your HTC device (at least starting from Topaz (touch diamond 2) has the ability to playback HD content. You can test above settings with videos downloaded from the HD sample site from microsoft. point is the HD playback only works on the standard player coming with your device (windows mediaplayer) because the decoders are not freely given to other developers and therefore no other video playback program has them implemented in their mobile player.
Hope this helped.

c2k8cook said:
If your after a decent media player try nemoplayer (I cant post the link to the thread but the thread number is 598509)
I converted a video to [email protected], it stuttered a little with the default player, but played perfectly with nemoplayer.
As for conversion, I have found Xilisoft to be very good, I paid for it to convert videos for my iPod Touch as it has great default profiles and its very quick as it uses all 4 cores of my CPU.
For the settings it depends on the video but I have been using the following settings for x264 MP4 video, these settings should work with any video converter.
16x9 video:
1000Kbps
192Kbps audio (for movies and music videos, 128 might be good enough for most)
resolution 800x450
It leaves the smallest of boarders top and bottom but it retains the corrent aspect ratio
4x3 video
800Kbps
192Kbps
reolution 640x480
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I installed Nemoplayer, but it only displays the videos in my DCIM folder? I have tried to move my test video over to that folder too, but it still can't find it. I converted it to mp4 with format factory, at 320 x something so the size should be ok

I usually encode in .mp4 h.264 base profile, max 3 ref frames, 800x640 res max and no cabac or b frames. At constant rate factor of 24 image quality is great and file size impressively small.

Tested on many videos, only mencoder needed, can't get any simpler:
Put this as one line in convert2desire.bat:
mencoder %1 -o "%~n1.mp4" -of lavf -lavfopts format=mp4 -vf dsize=800:480:0,scale=0:0,expand=800:480:-1::::,harddup -sws 9 -ovc x264 -x264encopts crf=24:force_cfr:bframes=0:nocabac:no8x8dct:global_header -oac faac -faacopts br=128:mpeg=4bject=2:raw -af volnorm=1 -channels 2 -srate 44100 -delay 0.3
Then run "convert2desire.bat tobeconvertedvideo.avi"
The resulting file will be tobeconvertedvideo.mp4
Lower crf to have even better quality and larger file.
The -vf parameters will always output a 800x480 file and other screen ratios will be correctly scaled to fit inside 800x480.
Mencoder download:
sourceforge.net/projects/mplayer-win32/files/MPlayer%20and%20MEncoder/revision%2031139/MPlayer-rtm-svn-31139.7z/download
I must say the screen of the Desire is top notch quality!
It is ridiculous how crisp everything looks for such a small device.
Let me know if this script works for you.

Anyone tried doubletwist? It looks like itune, and if we sync video, it will convert it to the format that standard player in desire can play.

I agree on the audio delay in your script, the desire seems to delay video by a little.

HTC Desire video setings

Hi
Soon i will get 32GB sd card so i want to have some HQ movies .
I was able to test best video settings for this phone
well size is 800x480, data rate is 4000K ( using that data rate all pixels will be clear,it's best to test it on HD animation ( like South Park )
but if i try to convert whole film like 2GB output, i get notification that i can't watch this.
but why ? i am using right format, not high frame , right size..
Maybe player have some size limitations ?

just a wild guess, maybe it's about fat32, it doesn't recognize files bigger than 4 gigs?

NO, output file is about 2,6GB.
Hm, mp4 doesn't work, but wmv works quite well

Try mp4 files encoded with H.264 video and AAC or mp3 audio at a bitrate big enough,just so that file size doesn't exceed 4 gigs.I think it should be okay.If it doesn't work try another player like mVideoPlayer or Meridian.

tolis626 said:
Try mp4 files encoded with H.264 video and AAC or mp3 audio at a bitrate big enough,just so that file size doesn't exceed 4 gigs.I think it should be okay.If it doesn't work try another player like mVideoPlayer or Meridian.
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well, i was using right codec (H.264).
My bet is that file can't go up 2GB, because wmv was 1,8GB in size and it was working. also mp4 was working in split mode (like 100MB for part)

Best Video format?

I want to convert some of my movies on the hard drive of my PC to a format I can play on my EVO.
I just tried converting Jennifers Body to 3GP at 512 kbps and 29.9 fps and it plays but the sound is really quite and it's a little jerky.
Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
Any guides? Or can someone tell me the best settings for audio and video to play on EVO hardware?
Thanks. I'm looking for stuff like format, 3GP vs. MPEG4, resolution, bit rate, fps, kpbs, and audio format as well.
Anyone had some good looking doing this?
Steve.

Container: MP4
Video: h264 baseline profile, 800x480 max, between 500Kpbs and 2Mbps depending on source (anime vs. movie) and amount of action/movement. Keep fps same as original. I usually set my x264 to encode with quantizer set to 20, fast and does the job.
Audio: AAC. Anyhing above 128Kbps wil be good enough.
I use MeGUI for my conversions but u can try Handbrake too.

Video encoding settings?Please help! :-)

I'm trying for a while now to convert movies to be played on my desire.Right now I am trying using handbrake.However it just won't seem to play whatever I have thrown at it.
My average convert settings are something like this:
An H.264 .mp4 file @ 2mbps bitrate with mp3 or AAC audio @128kbps,resolution 800x480 or 1280x720.
I have also tried to play each converted video with RockPlayer but nothing changes.
Bear in mind that the only size limitation for me right now is fat32's 4GB limit.I use a Kingston 16GB class 10 SD.
Many many thanks in advance!

Strange, I've got an Avatar rip that I dl'ed and put straight onto the Desire that played with no problems, looks awesome as well. Plays through the default player or through Rockplayer as well
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Yeah,I am also trying this with Avatar.I have downloaded two versions,one 1080p that obviously doesn't play at all,and a 720p one that plays but is really really laggy.
Can you tell me more info on the copy of Avatar that plays ok on your device?

I do it in two steps:
1. PocketDivXEncoder, just to have a "clean" AVI in 640x480.
2. SuperC, no resize (I find PocketDivXEncoder better for resizing).
Video MP4, Codec MPEG-4, 15 Fps, 768 kbps
Audio AAC-LC, 44100, 2 channels, 128 kbps
Perfect, IMO.

lohpsch said:
I do it in two steps:
1. PocketDivXEncoder, just to have a "clean" AVI in 640x480.
2. SuperC, no resize (I find PocketDivXEncoder better for resizing).
Video MP4, Codec MPEG-4, 15 Fps, 768 kbps
Audio AAC-LC, 44100, 2 channels, 128 kbps
Perfect, IMO.
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Thanks for the reply my friend but that's not what I'm talkin' about...I want high quality when I watch movies.Strangest thing is that I try to make my videos have the same settings that the Desire uses for the videos taken with its camera.To no avail so far!
Also,if anyone uses handbrake I think it would be a more productive thread!

I'm using AVS Video Converter now and my files works flawlessly. The settings are H.264 [email protected], 720p resolution (or native WVGA, as you like it), up to 8000kbps (without any problem for Desire) bitrate, no CABAC, MP4 ISO v2 container. Handbrake lacks some advanced settings, maybe you should try to change it.

But dude,it's a paid program,Handbrake is free,that's why I use it.I will try to find a cracked version though...

@Pigbrother
Man,can you please share the settings you use for H.264 with me?I encode again and again and,although it does play on the Desire,it lags like ****!
I do a H.264 @3Mbps,but I am confused with the advanced settings of it and probably that's where it all goes fuzzy!
I managed to snatch a copy of Avatar with Handbrake that plays well,but it's MPEG-4 @2Mbps(although it seems that higher would play no prob).But H.264 is better,so I want that if possible!

Here they are.
I'm using the default player with hardcoded subtitles (you can select them in the advanced tab, bottom of the screen)

Dude,this is STRAAAANGE!
Following your instructions and settings pigbrother,I got a small length video(a 1080p trailer of Harry Potter 7 I downloaded from youtube),I converted it according to what settings you used with a 3250kbps bitrate and 720p and it played super smooth while having the best quality I'd ever seen on a mobile device!Then,I converted Avatar with exactly the same settings and it wouldn't play!I tried stock video player,mVideoPlayer and RockPlayer but none worked,it just said it couldn't open the file.The only thing I can think of is that there is some sort of limitation regarding the size of the file to be played(mine was 3,8GB),because the only playing copy of Avatar I got was an exactly 2GB big one I got with Handbrake.
Please guys,If you can think of something help me!
Thanks!

So,guys,this is interesting.I made another copy of Avatar using AVS and I used some higher profile settings(like CABAC) to make an 720p H.264 mp4 file @4Mbps and checked the option to split it in 2000MB files.Total size is about 4,8GB for 3 files and it plays like heaven!The picture of it is the absolute best I've seen until now!
So guys,there is no meaning in disabling all those advanced options as they only give better compression and quality(while making the process of conversion slower however,mine took 7:30 hours with my E8400 Intel Core2Duo).You should only put a limit to the bitrate so that the output file doesn't get bigger than 2GB.
So that's it!Now,if there is any way to make the conversion using the PCs GPU which will make it far faster I'll be happy!

tolis626 said:
Yeah,I am also trying this with Avatar.I have downloaded two versions,one 1080p that obviously doesn't play at all,and a 720p one that plays but is really really laggy.
Can you tell me more info on the copy of Avatar that plays ok on your device?
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Video
Frame W/H 720*400
Data Rate 1750kbps
Total Bitrate 1918kbps
Framerate 29fps
Audio
Bitrate 167kbps
Channels 2
Audio Sample rate 48 kHz

All about Videos(Conversion softwares, formats,Video Players)

Hi guys I am starting this thread because i didn't find much information regarding:
1)Video conversion softwares.
2)Best video formats for obtaining least size with highest possbile quality
3)Converting full HD videos to be able to play on defy with the best quality
4)Best players available for defy to play good quality videos smoothly.
I have started experimenting on this..
I am using total video converter for conversion and Moboplayer for playing.
Keeping Resolution 854x480 and Video bit rate 2500Kbps.
I get a file of size 55Mb .avi(H.264) after conversion of a 113Mb .mov(1080p) file.
I want you people to tell me your methods and softwares for doing this.
I hope this thread will help all people having trouble in playing HD videos on their Defy.
I will keep updating whenever I find something new and useful info.
Thank You.

For the Defy, my favorite video conversion software is Handbrake.
It's free and it's the best at letting me crop 4:3 format videos the way I want easilly.
- Choose the 'iPphone Legacy' format
- Uncheck 'large file size' and 'Iphone 5G support'
- Select your file name/location and resolution [make sure that keep ratio is enable];
- Choose auto or set your custom cropping
- Let it do the re-encoding; it is very fast: it keeps both my cpu cores at 100%
The Defy will basically play anything smaller or equal to its native screen resolution but most of the time, I find that 640x360 looks just fine.

What is the best container for 720p movies? I tried .mkv but Software decoding is too slow...Video is chopy but sound is good.
I made my own HD video with Defy camera (auto packed it as .3gp), and when played it was also chopy and even slower than .mkv :S

mp4 is native

Ok, that is cool...I have MS2Ginger1.0 with 720p video shootin, but I can't change format when shootin a video...It saves it like .3gp :S
That just sucks then