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Should I go for Verizon touch pro 2 or something else??

Hi
I'm new to the US, and I'm not familiar with the wireless companies system here..
I have some question:
1. Which service provider is better? I'll be living in Berkeley, CA?? I keep hearing that At&T has bad reception.. which one should I go for??
2. The 30$ data plan: all companies say that this plan is unlimited, but I keep reading (at least for Verizon) it's 5 GB/month.. is this true?? and are there any companies that offer real unlimited data plan...
Because I was thinking of using my phone as a modem for my PC, I don't want to pay more 30-40$ for DSL if I already have a true unlimited data plan
3. Roll over minutes: does this apply only to AT&t, or all carriers?
Thanks in advance guys

duke911 said:
Hi
I'm new to the US, and I'm not familiar with the wireless companies system here..
I have some question:
1. Which service provider is better? I'll be living in Berkeley, CA?? I keep hearing that At&T has bad reception.. which one should I go for??
2. The 30$ data plan: all companies say that this plan is unlimited, but I keep reading (at least for Verizon) it's 5 GB/month.. is this true?? and are there any companies that offer real unlimited data plan...
Because I was thinking of using my phone as a modem for my PC, I don't want to pay more 30-40$ for DSL if I already have a true unlimited data plan
3. Roll over minutes: does this apply only to AT&t, or all carriers?
Thanks in advance guys
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I just left AT&T due to extremely poor customer service. AT&T is the only carrier that offers rollover minutes, but their 3G coverage is spotty, and when switching from 3G to Edge or vise versa, you will experience a lot of dropped calls. If you want to use your phone as a modem with AT&T you have to get a tethering plan which will run you $60/month. Verizon has a much larger 3G coverage area, and you don't have to worry about the network being burdened by iPhone users. Sprint has rolled out 4G coverage in some areas with plans to expand. Sprint has cheaper calling plans, but their subsidized phone prices are higher. All in all, do your research, and check online for reviews of coverage, network speed, and customer service.

1. reception obviously varies by location. VZW probably has the best claim to the best nationwide coverage--their business model has very much focused on network building, and up until very recently, their phone selection sucked because they didn't invest as much in securing great smartphones. Alternatively, ATT has focused investment heavily on having great phones, and haven't focused investment as much on building any of their networks.
That said, ATT has great phone reception in a lots of metropolitan areas. There might even be some areas where they have better coverage. And while their 3G data coverage isn't nearly as broad, where it exists, it has been tested as being the fastest (especially when you're not using an iPhone).
2. No, all wireless carriers have a cap of some kind. Further most will charge an extra $30ish a month on top of the $30ish a month for smartphone data for tethering (using your phone as a modem), and they'll still have a data cap.
3. I don't know VZW's plans.

ive been with ATT for YEARS and their costumer service can kiss my ass because i never use it. why? because they offer best reception where im at. why would i want to find out how good t-mobiles costumer service is? i just want a reliable network. all carriers have crappy prices and conditions here. just find the one that works for you and dont listen to what anyone else says. why would you care if verizon has 3g in montana and att doesnt if you live in LA?? its irrelevant. find the least crappy one for you and stick with it.

Do some research on the difference between CDMA and GSM networks. One may work better than another in certain situations.
T-Mobile has cheap rate plans and free tethering.
Sprint has a WiMax network rolling out, although all of the carriers are working on LTE or some other standard of 4G- Not really a concern at this point, since few phones support it.
Verizon has the best customer satisfaction ratings, but their phones are often locked down with software.
AT&T has a history of dropping calls, but has the fastest recorded data speeds.
No matter whom you may chose, you will end up disappointed over some facet or another. You will need to get DSL or some other form of land-based internet, unless you can keep yourself constrained to the 5GB data caps that ALL of the carriers have.

I guess I'm gonna go with verizon then..
I asked a Veizon representative today about the Touch Pro 2, and he said it's only CDMA ... although on their websitethey say it's GSM Quad Band!!! Is there anything that I'm missing?
Will I be able to use out side the US if travel home?
cheers

duke911 said:
I guess I'm gonna go with verizon then..
I asked a Veizon representative today about the Touch Pro 2, and he said it's only CDMA ... although on their websitethey say it's GSM Quad Band!!! Is there anything that I'm missing?
Will I be able to use out side the US if travel home?
cheers
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Yeah, it's kind of misleading. The Verizon Touch Pro2 is actually a CDMA/GSM hybrid device, which works on Verizon's CDMA network or any GSM network. In theory, you should be able to use it on any GSM network in any country as long as you have a valid SIM card.

you cant trust advertising. it makes it appear that all options are shiney. verizon claims all of its wireless technologies as 3g no matter what they are, whether they have speeds slower than atts 2g or worse. the verizon touch pro will not actually work in the us or canada on gsm. you also need to pay for vodofone service separately to get international coverage. you can flash a radio that will let you use atts network but youll loose the cdma network verizon uses. sprints 4g network is not as promising as i hoped. its slower than atts 3g network and to use it you have to buy a $10 1-day pass that will let you use 4g in about 10 or so cities. its also not on any phones. in terms of data or unlimited plans, i would probably have to recommend t-mobile. even though i think they have the ugliest version of the touch pro 2. verizon does limit there unlimited plans to 4gb a month i think. and yes att is the only one with roll over. i never use my minutes so i up to about 10000 minutes rolled over. i will never be charged overage as long as i live.

I was with ATT when they were known as Cingular for three years. One day I got a call and they said I was using it off their network too much and I had to stop it or they would cancel me. Since I was not even living in their area, it was not going to happen.
So I signed up with Verizon, which did not even sell phones within a hundred miles of where I would be using it. That was in March of 2007. I went to Alaska for 16 months where it roamed constantly. Not a peep from Verizon about not being on their network. When going to a remote village for more than a month where no cell phone would work, I would just call them and they would suspend my phone for the time I was there. No bill at all and no charge for turning it off. So I have to say the customer support from Verizon is the best there is and ATT is the absolute worst.

texascbx said:
I was with ATT when they were known as Cingular for three years. One day I got a call and they said I was using it off their network too much and I had to stop it or they would cancel me. Since I was not even living in their area, it was not going to happen.
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they wouldnt say something like that. the entire gsm network is theirs.
btw att, verizon, and sprint all have horrible customer service. youre going to always loose with any provider.

The Jack of Clubs said:
they wouldnt say something like that. the entire gsm network is theirs.
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Last I checked, Tmobile's network isn't owned by ATT.

thanks a lot for your help guys, I really appreciae that.
I have one final question: Is there a way I can buy verizon touch pro 2 without a contract, and use it with verizon prepaid service (if that is possible in te first place)?
I'm new here and I don't have many people to speak with, and since I'm a student, I could use any some extra money
Cheers

duke911 said:
thanks a lot for your help guys, I really appreciae that. I have one final question: Is there a way I can buy verizon touch pro 2 without a contract, and use it with verizon prepaid service (if that is possible in te first place)? I'm new here and I don't have many people to speak with, and since I'm a student, I could use any some extra money
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I purchased my VZW off contract. Unsubsidized is probably about $500.
Different carriers have different rules for their prepaid services. With GSM carriers, TMo and ATT, it's easy to pop a prepaid sim into any phone. With CDMA (Sprint and VZW), I'm not sure. Best bet is to call and ask.

well i had sprint for ever...I switched to tmobile.. to get that tp2 free through wmdeals.com even though coverage sucks at my house im happy.. I have wifi for data when im home.. when i leave my home i have edge service everwhere.. til i start getting close to mesquite ( texas ) it goes to 3g.. but edge works great with opera mini.. and for updating certain things.. but so far tmobile rocks..

The Jack of Clubs said:
they wouldnt say something like that. the entire gsm network is theirs.
btw att, verizon, and sprint all have horrible customer service. youre going to always loose with any provider.
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That's where you are wrong. They did cancel me and one of my brothers living in another town shortly after I got the call and letter. The explanation was they had contracts with other providers to cover you when your were roaming. And roaming was fine, as long as you did not do it too much. I roamed all the time, for about three years.

I called Verizon today, and the representative said that I can't use their prepaid service on a smart phone... although I'm not really sure about, as she sounded clueless, and I had to do lots of explanation until she got the basic idea..
anyway... I like really the verizon version of the Touch Pro 2..
If I go for month-to-month and get it for full retail (490$).. can I cancel with Verizon after that, and unlock my phone, then use it with some other network like T-mobile or At&T????
I never used CDMA before, and after reading some info, I think GSM is better for me, at least for now...

duke911 said:
I called Verizon today, and the representative said that I can't use their prepaid service on a smart phone... although I'm not really sure about, as she sounded clueless, and I had to do lots of explanation until she got the basic idea..
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You never know with reps. I seem to recall that VZW's prepaid might have some unlimited data intended for dumbphones, which of course they wouldn't want you to use with a smartphone.
There are MVNOs, like Page Plus, that use VZW's network, but have prepaid plans where they probably wouldn't be concerned about smartphone usage (pay per kb instead of unlimited).
If I go for month-to-month and get it for full retail (490$).. can I cancel with Verizon after that, and unlock my phone, then use it with some other network like T-mobile or At&T????
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You can get it unlocked here and use it on ATT or TMo (minus 3g, 2g data still works), and as to whether you can cancel after the fact without penalty, it depends on exactly what you signed up for at VZW.

texascbx said:
That's where you are wrong. They did cancel me and one of my brothers living in another town shortly after I got the call and letter. The explanation was they had contracts with other providers to cover you when your were roaming. And roaming was fine, as long as you did not do it too much. I roamed all the time, for about three years.
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fortunz said:
Last I checked, Tmobile's network isn't owned by ATT.
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well then double check because att hardware can not utilize tmobile 1700 band. if you in the country you are never going to use another carriers network. and roaming only applies to out of country. even if you stand anywhere on the canadian or mexican borders, you wont be charged roaming. the system isnt that fd up.

The Jack of Clubs said:
well then double check because att hardware can not utilize tmobile 1700 band. if you in the country you are never going to use another carriers network. and roaming only applies to out of country. even if you stand anywhere on the canadian or mexican borders, you wont be charged roaming. the system isnt that fd up.
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Well, that's not entirely true. AT&T devices can use T-Mobile's network, just not HSPA (3G), and vice versa. Before I got my 8925, my main phone was an old T-Mobile Blackberry 7200 which I unlocked to use on AT&T. It could make phone calls and browse at EDGE speeds just fine. The 3G bands are f*cked up internationally since they often differ by country and carrier, but the EDGE and basic GSM bands are pretty much compatible with any GSM phone (since most GSM phones are Tri-band or Quad-band capable).
In addition, it's perfectly possible to use another network in the same country. If a company like AT&T doesn't have infrastructure in a remote area and wants to add service there, they'll often strike a deal with a local carrier who does. It's usually a seamless transition for the user, and it doesn't generally cost the user a cent. Rather, AT&T is the one paying the local cellular operator for allowing the AT&T customers use the local carrier's network as opposed to the alternative of having no coverage in that area. AT&T got mad at texascbx because he was costing AT&T money by roaming on these local carriers, which AT&T had to pay.
Lastly, I know people who live near the borders and they always are careful to see which operator they are using. One of them lives near the Mexican border, and has to make sure he's on AT&T's network before he makes a call. If he doesn't check, he might be roaming on the TelMex network and will get billed outrageous fees for a simple call, even though he's in the US.

I was at the mall today, and I talked to a T-Mobile guy, and he said I can get the T-mobile version of touch pro 2 for full retail, and I can use it with their prepaid plan without any porblems.
Then I spoke with a Verizon representative, and he said that I can't do that on their network, however I can buy the device with out a contract and without any plan...
So my Final question (and I guess fortunz answered before,but I still feel like asking coz I don't want to through 500$ away)... If I get the Verizon Touch Pro 2, and get it unlocked here
http://rhodiumw.htc-unlocks.com/
or here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578642
will I be able to use it with any carrier?? prepaid or plan??
I don't really mind about the data, as I'll be using WiFi mainly
Thanks a lot

AT&T buys T-Mobile US - uh-oh

I wonder what that means for us HD7 WP7 users. I also wonder if the bands will remain the same forever, or if there will be changes down the road. Could this be one possible reason for the delay of updates on WP7? My guess is yes, because two WP7 carriers in such talks would push everything else aside to complete them.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/20/atandt-agrees-to-buy-t-mobile-from-deutsche-telekom/

MartyLK said:
I wonder what that means for us HD7 WP7 users. I also wonder if the bands will remain the same forever, or if there will be changes down the road. Could this be one possible reason for the delay of updates on WP7? My guess is yes, because two WP7 carriers in such talks would push everything else aside to complete them.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/20/atandt-agrees-to-buy-t-mobile-from-deutsche-telekom/
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The acquisition or merger will not be complete till sometime next year.
There is nothing to suggest that this news will hinder the update plans.

lqaddict said:
The acquisition or merger will not be complete till sometime next year.
There is nothing to suggest that this news will hinder the update plans.
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Only thing, though, as was the case with Sony and RIM, when two companies are involved with other dynamics, current affairs tend to take a back seat. That's how it was with Sony while they were in legal proceedings with RIM over some issue I can't remember. But when the proceedings were completed, RIM started putting out all manner of new devices and Sony started putting out some new portable stuff.

This blows. I currently have the HD7 on T-mobile. I hate At&T and would want to move to Sprint if this goes through.

thats until verizon buys sprint.. then we will have to choose virgin mobile or metro pcs

vHatch said:
This blows. I currently have the HD7 on T-mobile. I hate At&T and would want to move to Sprint if this goes through.
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The only thing bad about AT&T compared to T-Mobile is the pricing, and the fact that T-Mobile has free roaming to make up for their terrible Voice Coverage (Data Coverage is still pretty crappy).
AT&T Actually has been putting up new towers here, T-Mobile, Sprint, and Verizon haven't been adding anything and none of them get any coverage here: T-Mobile Roams and that's free so if you only need voice coverage I guess it works. AT&T put up a new 3G tower a mile away.
It won't mean anything for AWS Band phone users.
The same thing happened when AT&T Brought Cingular, and Sprint brought Nextel. There are still iDen phones out there working, almost a decade or so later...

HoorayBeer said:
thats until verizon buys sprint.. then we will have to choose virgin mobile or metro pcs
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Metro PCS practically doesn't exist around here, and Virgin/Boost are both terrible around here because Sprint has terrible coverage. Almost as bad as T-Mobile, with only 1/3rd the 3G speeds and worse phone choices.
Hopefully the influx of customers into AT&T and the larger infrastructure leads them to compete more rigorously with Verizon when it comes to pricing, since in about 2 years or so they can mitigate a lot of the coverage differences...

HoorayBeer said:
thats until verizon buys sprint.. then we will have to choose virgin mobile or metro pcs
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MetroPCS is a subsidy of Sprint.
Not sure who owns Virgin though.
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1 GSM provider, damn.
AT&T phone selection sucks.

lqaddict said:
MetroPCS is a subsidy of Sprint.
Not sure who owns Virgin though.
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Where did you get that information? I knew Boost was a part of Sprint, but MetroPCS?

xmckinzie said:
Where did you get that information? I knew Boost was a part of Sprint, but MetroPCS?
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My bad, I was thinking of Boost Mobile. The PCS in the name suggested that it was Sprint (Sprint PCS with the red wings and a pin )
Any way MetroPCS footprint is sooooo small they might as well get under Sprint.

vetvito said:
1 GSM provider, damn.
AT&T phone selection sucks.
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Compared to T-Mobile's selection, AT&T's selection is much better...though I do agree their selection could be much better with more desired smartphones.

Metro PCS, and Cricket are all under Leap Wireless, I think. Yes they are small.
I hope AT&T grandfather us T-Mobile users in. AT&T plans are outrageous.

vetvito said:
1 GSM provider, damn.
AT&T phone selection sucks.
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What? AT&T actually has a better selection of phones than Verizon. The only thing that sucked was their selection of Android phones, but that was remedied quickly after they lost iPhone exclusivity.
They have the best selection of Blackberries.
They've generally carried more Windows Mobile and Symbian Phones than the competitors.
They have the iPhone, and they have both mid-range and high end Android phones.
They carried the Pre and Pixi Plus.
Now that they've lost iPhone exclusivity, their phone selection actually got better.
One has to be blind to actually say AT&T's phone selection sucks. They are the only carrier without a clear bias when it comes to smartphone OSes. Yes, they pushed their exclusive iPhone, but they carry/carried literally everything else from Android to WP7... Verizon and T-Mobile (and now even Sprint) all seem to care pretty much only about Android. Verizon cares about the iPhone because they wanted to leech customers from AT&T, but I guess that didn't work as planned since the lines were embarassingly thin when that launched...
Also, LTE is a GSM technology so eventually every major carrier will migrate to that. AT&T (GSM) buying T-Mobile (GSM) just makes it easier for them to transition to LTE, gives them greater capacity, and gives them the largest 4G LTE coverage area of all the major carriers.
Also, I believe Virgin is owned by Sprint as well.

I got away from Cingular/AT&T as fast as I could in the past. I despised their service, their pricing, and their overall level of customer support. I could not stand the position I was in with them, and honestly, I've never had a single problem with T-Mobile...
However, I am not as pessimistic about this announcement as the rest of the T-Mobile world is. I see this as a potential win-win for both parties, which will eventually become one. T-Mobile has the right idea for everything plan oriented in my eyes, but they've never had the superior budget and revenue that AT&T and Verizon have. This allows them to have the cash flow to implement ideas. I do think AT&T has seen T-Mobile's success, which is obviously why they went after them. I do believe they will incorporate the best of both worlds... these companies aren't juggernauts because they've made the wrong decisions their entire existence... I promise you that. It also gives them both a much stronger spectrum and coverage. There are places I have perfect service and an AT&T user didn't, and vice versa... This eliminates that... It'll obviously take a great deal of time, but it's going to improve the service.
I won't be 'jumping ship' like the Magenta lovers on TmoNews are announcing... I'm looking forward to the positives. I'm also looking forward to the decrease in Android superiority in my handset selection. I guess time will tell all.

FiyaFleye said:
I got away from Cingular/AT&T as fast as I could in the past. I despised their service, their pricing, and their overall level of customer support. I could not stand the position I was in with them, and honestly, I've never had a single problem with T-Mobile...
However, I am not as pessimistic about this announcement as the rest of the T-Mobile world is. I see this as a potential win-win for both parties, which will eventually become one. T-Mobile has the right idea for everything plan oriented in my eyes, but they've never had the superior budget and revenue that AT&T and Verizon have. This allows them to have the cash flow to implement ideas. I do think AT&T has seen T-Mobile's success, which is obviously why they went after them. I do believe they will incorporate the best of both worlds... these companies aren't juggernauts because they've made the wrong decisions their entire existence... I promise you that. It also gives them both a much stronger spectrum and coverage. There are places I have perfect service and an AT&T user didn't, and vice versa... This eliminates that... It'll obviously take a great deal of time, but it's going to improve the service.
I won't be 'jumping ship' like the Magenta lovers on TmoNews are announcing... I'm looking forward to the positives. I'm also looking forward to the decrease in Android superiority in my handset selection. I guess time will tell all.
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Problem is if this is the kind of thing you get from at&t now, how much worse will it be when they have more customers and have to throttle everybody: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KupMmHfRWzQ&feature=player_embedded#at=12. Tmobile has been good with not messing with phone capability or trying to hoodwink customers, with only at&t as the sole GSM provider there is no choice for anyone who travels a lot and wants to avoid ridiculous roaming fees.

efjay said:
Problem is if this is the kind of thing you get from at&t now, how much worse will it be when they have more customers and have to throttle everybody: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KupMmHfRWzQ&feature=player_embedded#at=12. Tmobile has been good with not messing with phone capability or trying to hoodwink customers, with only at&t as the sole GSM provider there is no choice for anyone who travels a lot and wants to avoid ridiculous roaming fees.
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AT&T has proven to take good qualities and utilize them... Like Rollover when they acquired (re-aquired?) Cingular. You have to understand, they are going to have T-Mobile towers now, already running HSPA+ which keeps getting better... I'm sure in this year they are going to be getting their HSPA up to T-Mobile standards so when they switch happens its perfect. Then you have an amazing infrastructure to establish your LTE network. I'm personally being optimistic here... You gain nothing in life being pessimistic, especially about a service you're bound to.

Unsatisfied with the customer service and network stability of AT&T... Not sure what would happen when T-mobile users are added in.
Also I'm worried if AT&T would have less motivation to build tower after T-Mobile is acquired.

amtrakcn said:
Unsatisfied with the customer service and network stability of AT&T... Not sure what would happen when T-mobile users are added in.
Also I'm worried if AT&T would have less motivation to build tower after T-Mobile is acquired.
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AT&T & T-Mobile aren't the only competing mobile providers... AT&T still has a variety of other carriers to compete with. To think they're going to stand around and do nothing now is ridiculous, and honestly, Verizon is their bigger competition... this just gives AT&T more towers and more power to implement features... Also provides T-Mobile's know-how and very well created/handled HSPA+...

This is great news for me as a AT&T customer where I work which is in an Automotive Paint shop AT&T barely comes in but T-Mobile comes in great so hopefully the towers will share the same signals...
We do however have a contract with Verizon and they have equipment within our facility that boosts the CDMA signal which we have found does sometimes cancel out the GSM network but on rare occasions...
I just prefer AT&T as I use Uverse and love it and really like the rollover minute plan and how I can use the free wifi everywhere through AT&T...
My main concern is since AT&T bought T-Mobile how long will it take before AT&T will be able to start accessing the T-Mobile towers and vice versa?

[Q] 4G, Prepaid?

So I had a Droid 3 on Verizon on a prepaid line ($95 for 450 talk, unlimited text, and unlimited data) but that was 3G.
With the gNexi coming out, I was wondering if I would even be able to use it's 4g capabilities on my prepaid line? I'm obviously going to buy it at full-retail price but will the 4G even work or will I be stuck on 3G all the time?
I can't do contracts...
Should I wait for T-Mobile to get it and use their 4G prepaid instead?

I'm unsure if VZW has a LTE prepay service. That's something you have to look into separately. My guess is they don't. Unless they explicitly say that your prepay covers LTE I would expect to only get 3G.
As far as switching to a different carrier no one can tell you which is better. Its all about where you will use the phone and its your call.

I just did an online chat with a VZW rep, here it is:
Please hold for a Verizon Wireless sales representative to assist you with your order. Thank you for your patience.
You are now chatting with 'Kiara'
Kiara: Hello. Thank you for visiting our chat service. May I help you with your order today?
You: I was wondering if 4G phones like the Droid Bionic are eligible for the Prepaid Smartphone plans???
Kiara: I do apologize for the inconvenience, although the Bionic is not able to be pre paid
You: Are their any 4G phones available for the Prepaid plans?
You: And/or can you tell me if there are any plans to offer any???
Kiara: I do apologize although at this time there are not
You: Ok, thank you for your help
So, looks like you can't, at this time, use a 4G phone on their prepaid plans.
I currently have a Nexus S on T-mobile's $30 month prepaid plan (100 mins, unl. text, unl. data*throttled after 5GB), and I love it but I don't use my phone much for calls... I plan on getting the Galaxy Nexus and using it on this plan once it's available.

Yeah it looks like I'll have to wait for the galaxy nexus to drop on TMobile
WoW this sucksss.... It probably won't even come out until late December...
Maybe I should just import? No idea how it works but I want my nexus asap
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Dmw017 said:
Yeah it looks like I'll have to wait for the galaxy nexus to drop on TMobile
WoW this sucksss.... It probably won't even come out until late December...
Maybe I should just import? No idea how it works but I want my nexus asap
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Look on the bright side... t-mo plans are cheaper than Verizon. So you'll save money if you switch. But then again tmo reception around your area would play a big role too.

ruthlesset said:
Look on the bright side... t-mo plans are cheaper than Verizon. So you'll save money if you switch. But then again tmo reception around your area would play a big role too.
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Yeah I looked into it and Tmobile is way better than Verizon. I live in NYC so reception shouldnt be a problem at all. Now I'm just trying to figure out if I should import the 16GB model or wait for the 32GB US model :/ bleh ... I wonder when Tmobile will be getting it

Dmw017 said:
Yeah it looks like I'll have to wait for the galaxy nexus to drop on TMobile
WoW this sucksss.... It probably won't even come out until late December...
Maybe I should just import? No idea how it works but I want my nexus asap
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If you have T-mo service in the area then its sooo much better. Just wait, don't import. You'll probably have to buy it unlocked (probably best buy, just like Nexus S) but you'll be better off for it. You don't want to sign a 2year for a Nexus on VZW and get blocked tethering and crap on it.
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Dmw017 said:
Yeah I looked into it and Tmobile is way better than Verizon. I live in NYC so reception shouldnt be a problem at all. Now I'm just trying to figure out if I should import the 16GB model or wait for the 32GB US model :/ bleh ... I wonder when Tmobile will be getting it
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its all up in the air. As I said above ^, they might not "get it" officially at all. Might have to buy unlocked from Google/Best Buy.
But the winner is that the T-mo plans can be as low as 1/2 the price of VZW.

martonikaj said:
its all up in the air. As I said above ^, they might not "get it" officially at all. Might have to buy unlocked from Google/Best Buy.
But the winner is that the T-mo plans can be as low as 1/2 the price of VZW.
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Actually they have a $30 Prepaid plan with 100talk/unlimited text/ and unlimited data (5gb of 4G) -- available only on new line activation.
Btw can you clarify the "unlocked from google/best buy" part? Would I still have to use a sim card if Tmobile wont officially sell it

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Actually they have a $30 Prepaid plan with 100talk/unlimited text/ and unlimited data (5gb of 4G) -- available only on new line activation.
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yea their prepay options are pretty epic. 100min is a bit low for most though. I was just referring to their postpay options that are pretty cheap too. I've looked into moving from my EM+ no-contract plan to a prepay lately actually.
Btw can you clarify the "unlocked from google/best buy" part? Would I still have to use a sim card if Tmobile wont officially sell it
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Well if you want my opinion I think they'll end up just selling it exactly like they did with the Nexus S. They sold it online, and they offered it via Best Buy unlocked. You'd buy the phone, then buy your service and get a SIM card from AT&T or T-mobile (or Simple Mobile, or whatever) separately and plug it in. The GN is pentaband HSPA+ and will work with pretty much any SIM in the world.

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Yeah I looked into it and Tmobile is way better than Verizon. I live in NYC so reception shouldnt be a problem at all. Now I'm just trying to figure out if I should import the 16GB model or wait for the 32GB US model :/ bleh ... I wonder when Tmobile will be getting it
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Speaking from personal experience, the problem with T-Mobile in NYC is that as soon as you are a few feet below ground level, you lose signal. When you can get 5 bars, it's great, T-Mobile probably has the least congested network of anyone, and you enjoy superb 3/4G speeds. But you will be frustrated by how spotty the coverage is. Go 20 miles North to Westchester or 20 miles east to LI and you'll often find yourself exiting buildings to get a signal.

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Speaking from personal experience, the problem with T-Mobile in NYC is that as soon as you are a few feet below ground level, you lose signal. When you can get 5 bars, it's great, T-Mobile probably has the least congested network of anyone, and you enjoy superb 3/4G speeds. But you will be frustrated by how spotty the coverage is. Go 20 miles North to Westchester or 20 miles east to LI and you'll often find yourself exiting buildings to get a signal.
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Lol that's alright I don't leave the city anyways. What I am wondering is what happens when you deplete your limited use of the 4g data (I'll get 5gb). Someone told me that you get bumped down to EDGE(2G) speeds, but I thought you only go down to 3G.
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Lol that's alright I don't leave the city anyways. What I am wondering is what happens when you deplete your limited use of the 4g data (I'll get 5gb). Someone told me that you get bumped down to EDGE(2G) speeds, but I thought you only go down to 3G.
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As I (and many others) explained in the other thread about T-mobile:
- You get 5GB of data, that's 4g/3g/2g.
- Once you use all 5GB in a month, you get throttled.
- Throttled speeds are in the range of what EDGE is, even though your phone still says "3G" up in the status bar.
- Once your billing period ends, you get a new 5GB batch of data.
There's no discerning between 4G and 3G by T-mobile. HSPA+ is just a fast version of T-mobile's 3G network. Its not separate.

Just curious has any one looked into metroPCS they say they allow any cdma phone on their network and they have lte. There speeds may not be the greatest and not the best coverage but the price is spot on and unlimited!

robertlawson225 said:
Just curious has any one looked into metroPCS they say they allow any cdma phone on their network and they have lte. There speeds may not be the greatest and not the best coverage but the price is spot on and unlimited!
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Don't think it'll work. You'd have to unlock it somehow, and even then I think theres going to be inconsistencies with the LTE frequencies they use, etc.

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Don't think it'll work. You'd have to unlock it somehow, and even then I think theres going to be inconsistencies with the LTE frequencies they use, etc.
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I thought that all nexus devices where unlocked developer phones. also i just talked to metroPCS and they did say hardware wise any cdma ohone will work and so will the LTE but, there might be a problem with software incompatibilities. but if that is true i would think our fellow xda members would figure out how to fix any software problems

robertlawson225 said:
I thought that all nexus devices where unlocked developer phones. also i just talked to metroPCS and they did say hardware wise any cdma ohone will work and so will the LTE but, there might be a problem with software incompatibilities. but if that is true i would think our fellow xda members would figure out how to fix any software problems
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It won't be unlocked from the factory because 1) its CDMA/LTE with VZW specific bands, and 2) its being made to order for Verizon to subsidize it (which means they will SURELY dictate that its locked).
The Nexus devices have historically been sold full price without a carrier subsidy (and therefore are unlocked) because google wants them to be used anywhere in the world with any SIM card. This is different because there are carriers involved from the start (and the device is CDMA).
Also, I'm pretty sure the LTE won't be interoperable between the two carriers. Verizon will have their own proprietary network stack for use with their LTE service, and it uses slightly different frequencies from other carriers for LTE, specifically so that their devices won't be interoperable with other networks. They want you to buy a VZW phone and stay on VZW (dirty play, but that's how they roll).
Hope that clarifies things a little bit. Now no one knows for sure how much of the issues can be fixed with new firmware flashes, so I guess we'll see when it comes out. For example I know a lot of people use Sprint and Verizon phones with different custom firmware to run on networks like Virgin, Boost, and Cricket in order to cut down the monthly bill.

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It won't be unlocked from the factory because 1) its CDMA/LTE with VZW specific bands, and 2) its being made to order for Verizon to subsidize it (which means they will SURELY dictate that its locked).
The Nexus devices have historically been sold full price without a carrier subsidy (and therefore are unlocked) because google wants them to be used anywhere in the world with any SIM card. This is different because there are carriers involved from the start (and the device is CDMA).
Also, I'm pretty sure the LTE won't be interoperable between the two carriers. Verizon will have their own proprietary network stack for use with their LTE service, and it uses slightly different frequencies from other carriers for LTE, specifically so that their devices won't be interoperable with other networks. They want you to buy a VZW phone and stay on VZW (dirty play, but that's how they roll).
Hope that clarifies things a little bit. Now no one knows for sure how much of the issues can be fixed with new firmware flashes, so I guess we'll see when it comes out. For example I know a lot of people use Sprint and Verizon phones with different custom firmware to run on networks like Virgin, Boost, and Cricket in order to cut down the monthly bill.
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well lets just hope some one out there can figure out how to make a phone like this run on a reasonabale priced carrier well other than t-mobile

Sprint SGSIII Other Carriers?

Hi
I was recently offered a good deal on a Galaxy S3 from a friend of mine, but he is currently with Sprint. I know that Sprint Galaxy S3 devices don't have a Sim Card slot, which sucks. I used to have Sprint, and though I cancelled on good terms without a balance. I don't feel like going back to Sprint. Especially while I'm paying $50.00 a month with T-Mobile.
My question is, are there any other carriers that I could take the Sprint Galaxy S3 to? Maybe through Flashing or carriers that will add the ESN to their database?

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Hi
I was recently offered a good deal on a Galaxy S3 from a friend of mine, but he is currently with Sprint. I know that Sprint Galaxy S3 devices don't have a Sim Card slot, which sucks. I used to have Sprint, and though I cancelled on good terms without a balance. I don't feel like going back to Sprint. Especially while I'm paying $50.00 a month with T-Mobile.
My question is, are there any other carriers that I could take the Sprint Galaxy S3 to? Maybe through Flashing or carriers that will add the ESN to their database?
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What carriers are in your area? That should narrow your list down. You will want to look for CDMA carriers. You can check the list at the link below to see what carriers have what network type, if you don't already know. Beware, some carriers won't allow this (though you may be able to get it to work by flashing.) I read that Verizon tends to give people a hard time with this. Good luck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_wireless_communications_service_providers
P.S. If you can, get some speed tests on those networks. Don't get yourself trapped on a slow network.

Killa357 said:
What carriers are in your area? That should narrow your list down. You will want to look for CDMA carriers. You can check the list at the link below to see what carriers have what network type, if you don't already know. Beware, some carriers won't allow this (though you may be able to get it to work by flashing.) I read that Verizon tends to give people a hard time with this. Good luck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_wireless_communications_service_providers
P.S. If you can, get some speed tests on those networks. Don't get yourself trapped on a slow network.
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Well, from what I know we have:
T-Mo
AT&T
Verizon
Sprint
Virgin
Boost
Cricket
I don't there are any others available. Last time I knew Cricket service sucked A** here, and Virgin and Boost don't offer 4G speeds (Not that we have it available here anyway.) :/
I can't think of any other CDMA carriers though since I don't really deal with them......
I will most likely be moving to Houston, TX in the next 5-7 months though.

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Well, from what I know we have:
T-Mo
AT&T
Verizon
Sprint
Virgin
Boost
Cricket
I don't there are any others available. Last time I knew Cricket service sucked A** here, and Virgin and Boost don't offer 4G speeds (Not that we have it available here anyway.) :/
I can't think of any other CDMA carriers though since I don't really deal with them......
I will most likely be moving to Houston, TX in the next 5-7 months though.
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Small world. I'm actually trying to get a job I have Houston at the moment. Most of those carriers should have good coverage and data speeds in Houston though. Last time I used sprints service in Houston it was about the same as it is here in Lufkin as far as coverage and speed. I dont know about the other carriers, though LTE most likely won't be compatible with the other networks LTE.

Chances of Verizon Support?

I've been wanting into the oneplus ecosystem of insanely good development for awhile, but unfortunately am stuck with Verizon in my area. Any chance this will be the phone that supports Verizon bands?

Unfortuately, the leak shows no band 13: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/how-to/oneplus-5t-leak-t3703244
You can read more if you like as to what that means as that was the same with OnePlus 5: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/help/verizon-compatibility-t3623695

MRog40 said:
I've been wanting into the oneplus ecosystem of insanely good development for awhile, but unfortunately am stuck with Verizon in my area. Any chance this will be the phone that supports Verizon bands?
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You can really give up on version support. CDMA is a hard area to get into as most of the phone functions are not open source and licensing is always an issue. Will just have to wait for Version to get off of the old standard and use something that isnt 50 years old.

I was looking at this but in same boat with Verizon.. pulled trigger on the PH-1.. cant beat it for the price
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zelendel said:
You can really give up on version support. CDMA is a hard area to get into as most of the phone functions are not open source and licensing is always an issue. Will just have to wait for Version to get off of the old standard and use something that isnt 50 years old.
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Licensing of CDMA is a trivial issue, many unlocked phones are now offering it including VERY inexpensive phones from Motorola.
For many of us Verizon is a requirement, not an option. It's the only carrier I can use that doesn't constantly lose LTE service. So in a way, their LTE network is more advanced, more built out. All of my voice and data traffic travels over LTE on Verizon 99%+ of the time.
Glad to have CDMA as a backup plan, even though my phone hasn't fallen back to CDMA in a long time. It does sometimes in the mountains where only 1.228 MHz CDMA slices work well. Verizon will get rid of it when the world is ready, there's nothing technically stopping them today, they would just lose some of their coverage advantage.
Was interested in the OnePlus 5T, but will happily keep using my Pixel 2 so that my phone actually has service where I live and travel. Where Verizon uses "50 year old technology," other carriers often has no service at all.

nadrojjordan said:
Licensing of CDMA is a trivial issue, many unlocked phones are now offering it including VERY inexpensive phones from Motorola.
For many of us Verizon is a requirement, not an option. It's the only carrier I can use that doesn't constantly lose LTE service. So in a way, their LTE network is more advanced, more built out. All of my voice and data traffic travels over LTE on Verizon 99%+ of the time.
Glad to have CDMA as a backup plan, even though my phone hasn't fallen back to CDMA in a long time. It does sometimes in the mountains where only 1.228 MHz CDMA slices work well. Verizon will get rid of it when the world is ready, there's nothing technically stopping them today, they would just lose some of their coverage advantage.
Was interested in the OnePlus 5T, but will happily keep using my Pixel 2 so that my phone actually has service where I live and travel. Where Verizon uses "50 year old technology," other carriers often has no service at all.
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A trivial thing yet soo many dont or cant do it. You also have to remember that CDMA is only used by Verizon and sprint along with a few smaller carriers. The rest of the world uses GSM.
That is already starting with them working with ATT to build new towers.
I could say the same for where I live. Here ATT is your only option. Nothing else works here.

zelendel said:
A trivial thing yet soo many dont or cant do it. You also have to remember that CDMA is only used by Verizon and sprint along with a few smaller carriers. The rest of the world uses GSM.
That is already starting with them working with ATT to build new towers.
I could say the same for where I live. Here ATT is your only option. Nothing else works here.
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Fair enough, every location is different. I just think phone manufacturers choosing to omit CDMA is more a numbers game than complexity. The Snapdragon chips/modems support it, antenna tuning is not an issue since the phones already run on those bands, etc. If Motorola can ship a $99 unlocked unsubsidized non-prepaid phone with CDMA, surely OnePlus could have put it in the 5T. Perhaps it would have been $519, though, and they wanted to hit that $499 price point. Who knows.
Isn't the Tillman deal just adding another lease operator similar to American Towers and Crown Castle? Most towers in our area are owned by those two with multiple operators on them, though we have a ton of Verizon micro cells in town that are seemingly build directly by Verizon. Outside of town there seem to be a lot of towers with JUST Verizon or AT&T on them, and that's where the coverage differences really start. Will the Tillman towers be LTE-only?

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Fair enough, every location is different. I just think phone manufacturers choosing to omit CDMA is more a numbers game than complexity. The Snapdragon chips/modems support it, antenna tuning is not an issue since the phones already run on those bands, etc. If Motorola can ship a $99 unlocked unsubsidized non-prepaid phone with CDMA, surely OnePlus could have put it in the 5T. Perhaps it would have been $519, though, and they wanted to hit that $499 price point. Who knows.
Isn't the Tillman deal just adding another lease operator similar to American Towers and Crown Castle? Most towers in our area are owned by those two with multiple operators on them, though we have a ton of Verizon micro cells in town that are seemingly build directly by Verizon. Outside of town there seem to be a lot of towers with JUST Verizon or AT&T on them, and that's where the coverage differences really start. Will the Tillman towers be LTE-only?
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Eventually yes. LTE is the next step. This is why Verizon has been using LTE Sim cards for the past few years. They are slowly having to convert as CDMA tech is just too old and limited for the direction of mobile connections.
Motorola has a stake in doing it. China also uses a few old CDMA setups. They also have the money to pay the licensing and what ever price Verizon charges to test the device and work with them for putting the needed software on it. Remember the base phone functions for CDMA tech us not open source. Not even in Android.

zelendel said:
Eventually yes. LTE is the next step. This is why Verizon has been using LTE Sim cards for the past few years. They are slowly having to convert as CDMA tech is just too old and limited for the direction of mobile connections.
Motorola has a stake in doing it. China also uses a few old CDMA setups. They also have the money to pay the licensing and what ever price Verizon charges to test the device and work with them for putting the needed software on it. Remember the base phone functions for CDMA tech us not open source. Not even in Android.
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Ahh yeah, I forget about the Verizon testing/certification fees. Was interesting that Essential released the phone before Verizon approved it (of course they paid the Qualcomm royalties, though), and then said later that it was certified to run on Verizon. People already were using them, but not using Verizon's official provisioning page that fixes Visual Voicemail and such upon activation, so there were quirks. Considering this, I suppose it would be quite a pain for OnePlus to go through the Verizon testing/certification for a relatively small amount of customers on the world stage.

zelendel said:
You can really give up on version support. CDMA is a hard area to get into as most of the phone functions are not open source and licensing is always an issue. Will just have to wait for Version to get off of the old standard and use something that isnt 50 years old.
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Poor effort...if essential can manage to do it while being a way smaller company OP can do it especially when their owner is Oppo.
The fact is they don't want to..for whatever reason..it's not about money, they have it..it's not about time, they have had it. So let's stop with those excuses.

From Pete Lau:
As for our carriers, OnePlus will partner "if we can find the right fit," according to Lau, who suggested that OnePlus fans on Verizon reach out to their carrier to get Verizon "to come to us."
"If we can keep creating good products and getting a lot of positive word of mouth from our users, and have the users push Verizon to come to us, that will make things a lot easier," he said.
Source: http://uk.pcmag.com/oneplus-5t/92062/news/pete-lau-wants-you-to-trust-oneplus

tahlsr said:
Unfortuately, the leak shows no band 13: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5t/how-to/oneplus-5t-leak-t3703244
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I'm not sure where you live exactly but I was on Verizon for over 10 years and finally dumped them so I could get the oneplus 5. I switched to cricket which uses AT&T's network and I get at least 99% of the coverage I did before.
Unless you are truly in the sticks I bet a GSM network would work fine for you. I live in North Dakota so believe me when I say we are not the first to get new cell technologies by any means.
I sold y oneplus 5 while watching the launch event and am now patiently waiting for tomorrow so I can order the 5T.

With Verizon's LTE network being to a mature state I find myself on CDMA MAYBE once every six months. Could this be used on Verizon as an LTE only device if you already have an active sim? Also, I see band 13 is not supported, is this not supported in the hardware or is the band support there and it is just disabled currently? If the latter is the case is there any chance it could be enabled by devs in the future? Really liking and wanting this phone but work pays for my service and only offer Verizon and I'm cheap and don't want to buy a plan just to get the phone. Thanks for anyone shedding some light on this.

I ordered this not knowing it was not fully compatible with VZW's network. It's a shame as this thing looks like a beast. I just cancelled my order.
Oh well, I have too many phones anyway.

Yesterday I said "screw it" and reordered the 5T. I got a plan with T-Mobile. If I can get good signal, I'll switch as all our other phones over since T-Mobile is much cheaper than VZW.

Just to clarify - does voice and sms work on Verizon? I'm on T-Mobile and one of the places I visit has Verizon coverage not T-Mobile. I carry a payg phone for those visits. Don't need data just the ability for people to reach me. Be nice if I could use my 5T for that.
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Tolax

Tolax said:
Just to clarify - does voice and sms work on Verizon? I'm on T-Mobile and one of the places I visit has Verizon coverage not T-Mobile. I carry a payg phone for those visits. Don't need data just the ability for people to reach me. Be nice if I could use my 5T for that.
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Tolax
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Voice does work. It does through 1x and you will get 3g most of the time. Not sure about MMS or SMS though.

This is likely a stupid question but I'm wondering since its a dual SIM if you can have a T-Mobile and a VZW SIM installed? Would that allow voice for VZW?

Mike02z said:
This is likely a stupid question but I'm wondering since its a dual SIM if you can have a T-Mobile and a VZW SIM installed? Would that allow voice for VZW?
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Not stupid, and yes it does. I had a Tmobs and VZW SIM in a Oneplus 5 and it worked well together. But the VZW service is very poor.
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