I was just in the T-mobile store and was blown away by the shadows interface. What are the chances of the shadow homescreen getting ported to the dash? Anyone else play with it? what do you all think?
I say there is a pretty good chance, especially for other smartphones that are not the landscape resolution 320x240 but rather 240x320 like the Shadow. I wonder if it's just a simple .xml file or is it new software. Anyone know?
callmerani said:
I say there is a pretty good chance, especially for other smartphones that are not the landscape resolution 320x240 but rather 240x320 like the Shadow. I wonder if it's just a simple .xml file or is it new software. Anyone know?
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As my belief, it can never be a simple .xml
Is there any body has a Shadow? maybe they can provide some clue
I have a Shadow -- nope, it's not just a XML file -- it does quite a bit. Prior to release, I did see a screenshot of it somewhere on a landscape device, and it had the jog-bar icon in the status-bar, so I assumed the screenshot came from a Dash. I think somewhere, it already exists for a Dash.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see it included in a future ROM update for the Dash.
Hope so, as it's so useful I'm willing to go without FizzWeather or Facade for my homescreen just to use it.
The Shadow itself is another story though -- it's much faster than the Dash, but the call quality is so bad that I'm returning mine. Not worth using up an annual upgrade, but a nice preview of things to come
glad to hear that hope the new interface come to dash earlier.
Appears that someone was already able to put the dumped Shadow ROM in this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=348930&highlight=shadow+neo+interface
My wife wants the full qwerty keyboard of the Dash but likes the interface of the Shadow SO hopefully someone much smarter than myself will be able to help with putting it on the Dash
What is this?
This is Taskbar Customizer! I have been watching several threads on customizing the taskbar icons and the end-results can be awesome. However, I keep running into several snags:
We have to replace DLLs with different versions which can potentially raise hell and may not work well on our different WM versions. Inconsistencies, incompatibilities, etc.
It's always one custom taskbar or the other, unless you manually customize, and I always want these icons from A, and those from B!
Manually customizing is a very tiresome job
There are no handy tools available for this specific purpose: "Nemo vir est qui mundum non reddat meliorem" (What man is a man who does not make the world better?)
And thus, I have decided such an application must be made. This is however easier said than done, and the primary problem is the best way to go at it and the information we need for it. Some icons are stored in resource DLLs, some are stored in BMPs, one resource DLL overrules the other, one image overrules the other, one package overrides the other. Different versions for different DPI's, etc.
What we need, is to figure out a proper system. I have thoughts about this, they are discussed further below.
Note that retrieving the right files from the device, patching them, un/resigning, putting them back, etc, is not an issue. Combinations of my own various tools do all this, and it will all be in Taskbar Customizer when done.
Who am I looking for?
Right now, I am mostly looking for the following people to join the discussion in this 'design phase' of Taskbar Customizer:
People with a lot of knowledge (and thus experience) in customizing the taskbar (tsowen and 12aon have already offered their full support, yay!)
People who may not be as knowledgeable but have multiple devices with different versions of WM and are willing to test and help research (and read well!)
Who we will need in the future (don't bother to post yet, just bookmark):
"Shredders" - people who can take the current taskbar packs, divide them into 'icon packs', and attribute the images to the right people
Testers
Who we definitely don't need at this stage:
Those who don't know what they are talking about meddling, asking questions we haven't arrived at yet, and generally be annoying
Anyone who can't call himself a dev and get away with it
My current thoughts on implementation
See next post.
Reference threads
These threads contain a wealth of useful information on the subject:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=424926 - FInixNOver (part 1/2)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437307 - FInixNOver (part 2/2)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3746654 - tsowen (the collection!)
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=54514 - tsowen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=457173 - 12aon
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441829 - rickou26 (QVGA)
... and many more ... if you have some must-reads to suggest, please post them.
Notes
This is a full community project. It will never be a commercial thing. Full credit to all people involved. Let's make this **** happen!
Gotta say however, that the time I will have to spend on this project will be "hobby". As some of you may know I have many projects here on XDA, and also commercial projects that pay my rent. I will of course try to make the most of it with the time I have. However, a good functional release may be some time away.
Also, I've never started a 'design phase' thread before. I am complete unsure how well that work, or if the discussion will likely still be mostly in PM's, MSN, or through e-mail. Bare with us
Current implementation thoughts (June 8, '09)
Right! This is pretty half-assed attempt at structuring my thoughts.
First, see this image. I know, it ain't much to look at, what you see in this screenshot is a number of resources from tsowen and co's taskbar v2.1 lite set out against a (smaller) number of original files from the CDMA Rhodium ROM.
There are several issues worth pondering.
Full pack vs. Category pack
How to divide the icons from eachother. Do we use full "tsowen's Taskbar X" packs and then customize from there, or do we really divide into categories (better, but more work for devs?). For example "johnny's ActiveSync icon pack" and "harry's GSM icons". I would say that if the latter will be done, so should the former (but not the other way around). If we do make 'category packs' and selectors, it will take a lot of work to create these. We would need to very finely define which icon is what in which file.
If we do category, there should be careful though and research about which category to make and which icons belong to them.
Duplicates and various WM versions
Going through a lot of resource DLLs and the likes, and noticing (among others) tsowen's post about WM6.5 and various posts about different OEM packages, it seems there are many duplicates and overrides.
For example, on many HTC WM6 we have phcanoverbmp, which contains a lot of HTC customized images which override the shellres images. However in WM6.5 it seems shellres is used as primary again.
How can we best solve this? From what I have looked at myself, one could directly translate between various shellres icon id's and phcanoverbmp icon id's (this is true for multiple packages/resource DLLs IMHO). As example (these are fictional), shellres:1-10 may correspond to phcanoverbmp:41-50. So I think we should 'alias' them. If shellres:1 is changed, than we also change phcanoverbmp:41 (of course, assuming this file exists). I think that we should use shellres as base in this case.
Then ofcourse there is also direct file alias. Some ROMs have shellres, others have shellres.dll.<language-id>.mui. These should be defined as 'alias' also, and the application should look for whatever is actually on the device and patch that.
Now again is the question, how exactly do we do this? Would it be better to create a different 'name' for every icon? For example, wifi_on_no_network=shellres:20=phcanoverbmp:97, or could we better do phcanoverbmp:97=shellres:20 ? I personally think the former, but it will be more research and more work (but hopefully other people will help).
Some of these 'alias' will also include copying BMP or PNG files (like bluetooth icons).
Battery
Another point of thought is battery. Different packs have a different number of battery icons and require different drivers to be compatible. How do we solve this?
Saving and distributing
However we do the above, IMHO there should be a function to save your creation based on other people's 'packs' and/or your own custom icons so these can be posted on XDA (or geeks, or wherever) and then opened by Taskbar Customizer again so it will modify your device with this pack. The 'save' would then include the required data and icons and the 'load' would retrieve relevant files from your device, patch them, and put them back.
"Copyrights"
As obviously most of the customizers will release their packs to the world, royalties and such would be nonsense. However, I do think every pack should have a 'copyright' notice, and when you 'apply' your combinations of packs (or 'load' this from a pack somebody distributed) you should see a notice containing the names (and optionally donation links?) of all the people who contributed images and the final 'author' of the pack. If all the original packs for Taskbar Customizer just contain a simply one-liner about who made the icons, this can be automated.
Backup/restore
It goes without saying that any file and registry changes by the app should be backed up and able to be restored.
Notes
Please discuss and suggest about the above! But if you post please clearly describe what you are talking about, posting that you agree with my or somebody else's thoughts about it are also good, because this shows which idea has the best following. Offering detailed specifics is always welcome.
-- I'll take this one --
-- This one too! --
-- Last one, I promise --
I'm done for now
Oooh... Shiny...
I'm willing to help with development stuff...
And also testing stuff.
Reporting for duty! Okay I am in guys as well and will try to drag my bro 12aon as well, also maybe see if Crazylilboy, Darklord69, bilbobrian and FInixNOver just to name a few if they might want to help. Also I have a sperate Wm 6.5 taskbar thread as well http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=65911 for the one here I just combined the two and call them the collection which you have linked.
As I see it the process might be challenging due to ROM differences. Right now I find that WM 6.5 is be cooked many different ways and this is what is causing many conflicts with some of the custom icons.
Edit: Forgot my main guys from ppcgeeks Brock and gadgetfreak. I invited them, both have mad taskbar skills.
count me in! Ill do what i can
I could never turn down a good challenge. Fair warning, while I can blast my way through a dll, It's been a long, long time since I have done any coding, and that was Unix based GIS stuff. So with my backside sore from Tsowen's not so subtle kick in the pants to head over here, cound me in too!
AKA: Gadgetfreak
Good to see you guys here (seems our timezones are not very compatible, though )
Don't worry Gadgetfreak, I can do the coding, it's more the 'how do we pull it off part' that is the question. Obviously we want it to work for everybody regardless of ROMs and packages
Perhaps we should start with creating a breakdown of exactly which icon is what, so we can match the various locations they may be up with eachother? Also what are the exact differences between GSM and CDMA? So far as I see now that instead of phcanoverbmp cdma_rssi_ppc is used for connection icons... and in WM6.5 both go back to shellres again?
(edit) Also, where are the signal bars in GSM ?
(btw tsowen I just noticed in your v2.1 lite one of the 3G icons says E instead of 3G )
Example definitions file:
Code:
[alias]
shellres=shellres.%DPI%.dll,shellres.%DPI%.dll.%LANG%.mui
outres=outres.%DPI%.dll
tapres=tapres.%DPI%.dll
tshres=tshres.%DPI%.dll
notify=notify.dll.%LANG%.mui
[shellres]
4609=start:icon
4677=wifi:connected
4712=wifi:ani_connecting_01
4713=wifi:ani_connecting_02
4714=wifi:ani_connecting_03
4715=wifi:ani_connecting_04
4716=wifi:ani_connecting_05
4717=wifi:ani_connecting_06
4718=wifi:ani_connecting_07
4719=wifi:ani_connecting_08
4720=wifi:ani_connecting_09
4721=wifi:ani_connecting_10
5071=speaker:bluetooth_headphones
5072=speaker:on
5073=speaker:vibrate
5074=speaker:off
[HTCVolumeControl.dll]
129=speaker:on
130=speaker:off
131=speaker:vibrate
[phcanOverbmp.dll]
80=wifi:connected
81=wifi:ani_connecting_01
82=wifi:ani_connecting_02
83=wifi:ani_connecting_03
84=wifi:ani_connecting_04
85=wifi:ani_connecting_05
86=wifi:ani_connecting_06
87=wifi:ani_connecting_07
88=wifi:ani_connecting_08
89=wifi:ani_connecting_09
90=wifi:ani_connecting_10
160=speaker:on
161=speaker:vibrate
162=speaker:off
This is an example of how it could be done. Multiple values in multiple files have the same definition, so the program can detect if you override one, it will also have to do the others (obviously there will also have to be something for the bmp/png files occasionally used).
However, obviously it will take a lot of work to get every icon 'defined' like this (however I do think it is the best way), and careful examination of these icons actually belong together.
The test app I'm working on may help a little in this - see screenshot here - it's what I used to figure out the 'code' above.
Thoughts?
Impressed
I have to say I'm impressed that such an ambitious project is being undertaken. Whilst we all know developers on this site do an excellent job, their focus seems to be sometimes limited to new ROMS, or different Rom version etc......
I have recently posted something similar asking for some new apps and the like which are compatible with "any HTC Tocuh HD" configuration regardless of ROM, which I believe is exactly what you are intending to do.
I applaud each and every one of you for attempting this...if only I had some developmental skills to offer but sadly my only claim to fame is that I can use a Touch HD
This is exactly what I was looking for. If u need, me and my Kaiser are ready for testing.
Hi,
if you want I can send you the appropriate icon to QVGA, notably those of the battery and SIMpad
My TaskBar for QVGA -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441829
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rickou26 said:
Hi,
if you want I can send you the appropriate icon to QVGA, notably those of the battery and SIMpad
My TaskBar for QVGA -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441829
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Glad to have you with us When the time comes we'll definitely want the packs. I assume QVGA is 96 DPI and the icons are 16x16 for this?
Maybe there is an easier way to do this, ie in a complete taskbar replacement app, rather than an app to swap out the icons. I'm thinking that wisbar advanced does not swap any icons but replaces the entire taskbar. Just a thougt. no signing unsigning problem and all the images could just be jpg or png rather than .ico. You might just say "just use wisbar" but wisbar does all kinds of other things aswell, so an app that just replaced the taskbar would be much lighter on the system. It would hide the origional taskbar and draw in a whole new one. This would actually allow far more scope for much greater customisation.
I would definitely not call that an easier way to do it
As uniqueboy stated the application will have to be able to sign/unsign the dll's and some are in use such as the shellres so I am not sure how the program will temporary override this. Also another thing is the Diamond used the shellres.192.dll.0409.mui and the Touch pro uses the shellres.192.dll so the program would have to detect which one is being used. A list of all the icons is not hard and I can help work on the list the major dll's we are looking at are:
Code:
BT Discoverable.bmp
BT On Mode.bmp
BT Stereo Headset.bmp
CDMA_RSS_PPC.dll
GPS-icon.bmp
GPS-icon Mask.bmp
HTCVolumeControl.dll
notify.dll.0409.mui
outres.192.dll
pchanOvermbmp.dll
PictureMailRes.dll
shellres.192.dll
Stereo Headset.bmp
tapres.192.dll
tshers.192.dll
VoiceCmdRes.dll
WLMMessengerResources.192.dll
There are a few others for the Large Title Bar
Code:
LargeTitleBar.dll
HTCLTB.png
HTCLTB_320x240.png
notify.dll.0409.mui
NotificationManager.dll
MMSRes480x640.Dll
htcStartMenuService.dll
Chainfire said:
I would definitely not call that an easier way to do it
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You definitely know best, but why not? I am thinking of a comparison with marshall's wait cursor app, the origional windows wait cursor images can just be replaced but it offers little scope compared to marshall's solution. Pre 6.5 roms could have transparent taskbars at last and some of the things which can't be customised such as the signal strength meter on gsm taskbars could be made nice and colourful, the X/OK button could also be changed and other indicators added such as memory or cpu activity.
I've been looking all over XDA and the Internet for this one. There's mods for it, custom ROMs that use it, and even a utility to tweak it. But as many times as I can find it referenced, I can't find a TouchFlo 3D 2 panel for the Xperia. I am running this TF3D for the Xperia (thanks itje) as well as the extra Cab that turns it into a panel, and the workaround that makes it have an acceptable landscape version. Now, I've clearly missed something, because many other people seem to have this on their X1's with no problem. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Also, I am not interested in a ROM version. If that is all there is, then please tell me about it, but I would much rather have it in a cab file if that does even exist.
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I've been looking all over XDA and the Internet for this one. There's mods for it, custom ROMs that use it, and even a utility to tweak it. But as many times as I can find it referenced, I can't find a TouchFlo 3D 2 panel for the Xperia. I am running this TF3D for the Xperia (thanks itje) as well as the extra Cab that turns it into a panel, and the workaround that makes it have an acceptable landscape version. Now, I've clearly missed something, because many other people seem to have this on their X1's with no problem. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Also, I am not interested in a ROM version. If that is all there is, then please tell me about it, but I would much rather have it in a cab file if that does even exist.
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hmmmm this is where i got the cab and direction for manila 2.1 as a panel...back when I wasnt on 2.5 LEO
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441439
this will more than likely get ya the same stuff though...to be honest with ya, you should take the plunge and flash a rom!
there are plenty that arent buggy and very stable
Thanks for the help. I had (as I thought) overlooked the obvious. Fixed up now, and couldn't be happier. And to your second thought, I have tried flashing ROMs in the past. Not difficult and relatively safe as long as instructions are followed. Frankly though, I think I'm one of the few who actually likes the original stuff. Reset it all to factory and updated to R3A, now I'm set. As it is, I needed it back factory to take advantage of the warranty; need a new one because of some pretty bad case cracking. Everyone seems to be familiar with that one.
Anyway, thanks for your help.
Just saw this and fell in love.
They say it's to rid the world of the concept of a main menu, but in my opinion it is a main menu. and one of the sexiest one's at that.
It's single colour gradients and flow is everything i like in an interface, while others put more colours and ever more elaborate icons in gridformations, this one is so much more beautyfull for it's simplicity.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/24/emblazes-first-else-unveiled-in-london-promises-to-be-a-game-c/
http://www.firstelse.com/
Now my question is:
Is there any posible way to simulate this menu on WM? i'm using pointui on both my Omnia and X1 and it is for me the best ui.
But i've also tried the demo of Silvermoon, and my phone definately has the potential for graphics like "Else".
Or am i too late with this post already?
Is there already something lige this for WM phones?
It probably can be re-created in flash, but I wouldnt use it myself... no icons, not easy to understand, you'd have to be able to read letters rotated in different agles...
Dont get me wrong, its fresh and has some eye-candy but on the long run I dont see the potencial in it.
:/
I really like the whole UI - not just the fan menu.
Also I like that 'caller will be asked to press * if urgent or # to hang up'.
Looks like some really good features. Doubt we will get anything that looks that good throughout on WM though