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AT&T shipped me a new 8525 w/ WM6

Here's something interesting that just happened to me today.
Brief story:
Last week I purchased a TyTn from a user here and when I got it, it had the screen alignment issue. Rather than fiddling with it, I just sold it as such.
So, I got a fairly good deal on a new 8525 from directly from AT&T. I just got it, powered it on and saw... WM6! Let me repeat, this was a direct purchase from AT&T. The version of WM6 on it is the same build found here, 17944.0.3.1. The radio on it is 1.48.00.00.
So, although the software on it is nothing new, I thought it would be something interesting to note that AT&T is shipping WM6 with their 8525s now... I guess.

I wonder when they're going to be posting the rom on the HTC website itself.

Very Interesting, call them and ask for support just to **** with them since I know ATT wont know what to do!

Now if they would just start shipping the kaisers we would be all set and has the two most powerfull phones on the market today!!
that is pretty interesting though since I think the AT-T rom out of the box had many bugs and issues. I know I spent a few hours getting the kinks out when I cooked up my custom AT-T rom. thanks for sharing though... as I say in my SA group

jhego said:
I wonder when they're going to be posting the rom on the HTC website itself.
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I assumed they would have posted the ROM before shipping devices with them myself.

wpbear said:
Very Interesting, call them and ask for support just to **** with them since I know ATT wont know what to do!
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Hehe. Would they even know WM6 is?

so have you flashed their bloat-ware ROM off of it yet?
haha

Well TB this is interesting, no? Is one thing to purchase a used Hermes on Ebay that has jj or faria's stamp on it but this is official....
And @austinsync regarding the official ROM, the biggest complaint with me and mine is the radio... that dawg just don't hunt here in So FLA. Taking everyone back to the 1.40. The basic ROM, bypassing the ext ROM, wasn't bad... vg3g did a bad ass job on cleaning it up, major kudos. Am finding the majority of my peoples' complaints due to the 1.48 radio.
Thanks TB for that update!

Dr Puttingham said:
Well TB this is interesting, no? Is one thing to purchase a used Hermes on Ebay that has jj or faria's stamp on it but this is official....
And @austinsync regarding the official ROM, the biggest complaint with me and mine is the radio... that dawg just don't hunt here in So FLA. Taking everyone back to the 1.40. The basic ROM, bypassing the ext ROM, wasn't bad... vg3g did a bad ass job on cleaning it up, major kudos. Am finding the majority of my peoples' complaints due to the 1.48 radio.
Thanks TB for that update!
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Yeah, I was pretty surprised. And I've only made a couple calls on it so far, but I have to say it's not bad. The call quality with 1.48 seems good.
@GldRush98, I'm definitely going to "upgrade" this thing today. But, I'm pretty impressed by the speed and stability of the ROM so far. I'll probably do a ROM dump before I flash something else on it. Just in case someone wants it... for whatever reason.

I would like to see if the same exact one as the rom that's on this forum so let me know when you dump it please.

austinsnyc said:
I would like to see if the same exact one as the rom that's on this forum so let me know when you dump it please.
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I'm uploading it now. I'll *edit* when finished.
*edit* Here's the dump. Enjoy!

wpbear said:
Very Interesting, call them and ask for support just to **** with them since I know ATT wont know what to do!
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LMFAO!! I would pay to hear the phone conversation.

I just got mine last week but it had WM5.... of course it doesn't now!!!!!

I'm getting a brand-new AT&T 8525 (probably tomorrow) to replace my current Cingular 8525 with loose stylus (long story but the refurb they sent was crap so I complained nicely...)
I'll be interested to see what OS comes on it now but I am thinking of selling it new-in-box to help pay for the Kaiser...

I bought an AT&T branded 8525 on 7-23-07. It came with WM5. And, the AT&T store where i bought had just received it that morning.

s4mb4 said:
I bought an AT&T branded 8525 on 7-23-07. It came with WM5. And, the AT&T store where i bought had just received it that morning.
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I suppose mine could have been some kind of anomaly, but a welcome one. It was still shipped in the newer AT&T box that listed the OS on the front as WM5 with the "Coming in 2007, Windows Mobile 6 Upgrade" bullet at the bottom.
But I suppose all this doesn't matter a whole lot for me. I've already loaded up my own custom ROM and didn't really take advantage of this good fortune.

Does it seem ANY different from the one posted in my thread Taurus?

Madcap180 said:
Does it seem ANY different from the one posted in my thread Taurus?
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Hey Madcap. I was without a phone at the time, so I never got to checking it out. I'll flash it in just a little bit and see if I can find any differences.

Ok, Let me know.. would be interesting if there are different features maybe.

Madcap180 said:
Ok, Let me know.. would be interesting if there are different features maybe.
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Just checked it out, and it's identical to the one you posted. Same build, build date, etc. All the programs match up too. Nothing more or less in either, it appears.
Nice.

Touch Pro 2 coming to TMOBILE USA AUGUST 8th

I went into a tmobile store today asking when the htc magic was going to be released and the they told me july 8th then i asked when the htc hero is coming and they said they dont know and the lady said the only other phone she knows is what he has (she pointed to another tmobile guy) and BAM he pulled out the touch pro2..i was in awe! i didnt like the colors though it had a brown back..i like the silver in the picture alot better..but ya..oh man i cant remember if it had the front camera :/..but it had tmobile logo on the top

WOW if you are serious I think I want to go into a tmobile store and see for my self not because I dont beleive you but jsut because I want to see it with my own eyes, this is GREAT news!!! Thanks for posting this! oh and are they going to call it the wing 2 or the touch pro 2?

i am dead serious..im not sure i was so shocked i didnt ask questions he let me play with it and then i had to go cuz the store was closing..i think one worker form every store gets it to test..he told august 8th..and i can upgrae july 30th! ..but i really like my magic :/ android with hero is amazing

Wow Im surprised more people arent posting, this is amazing to me I think I will try to stop by a T-mobile store when I get the chance because it would be amazing to try out a touch pro 2, especially the tmobile branded one about a month ago when I was there they never even heard of it lol

does anyone know the price? and will they force you to eat a pda data plan?

Anyone else see one in a T-Mobile store? I am thinking of going down to the closest T-Mobile store to see if they have it!

I hope not
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i am dead serious..im not sure i was so shocked i didnt ask questions he let me play with it and then i had to go cuz the store was closing..i think one worker form every store gets it to test..he told august 8th..and i can upgrae july 30th! ..but i really like my magic :/ android with hero is amazing
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Noooooo! I don't want to wait until August 8th
I thought T-mobiles TP2 was supposed to come out on July http://www.wmexperts.com/t-mo-getting-dash-3g-july-1-visual-voicemail-july-22-touch-pro-2-sometime?
Are you sure that they had their facts straight?
edit: I called around to all of the t-mobile stores in my area, and none of them have a unit in their store yet

skyler17 said:
Noooooo! I don't want to wait until August 8th
I thought T-mobiles TP2 was supposed to come out on July http://www.wmexperts.com/t-mo-getting-dash-3g-july-1-visual-voicemail-july-22-touch-pro-2-sometime?
Are you sure that they had their facts straight?
edit: I called around to all of the t-mobile stores in my area, and none of them have a unit in their store yet
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well if you live near Buena Park..go to the one on Orangethorpe and Beach Blvd..and they dont have it on display it was just given to him by tmobile..i dont know how the process works.. but im really not lying
it looked like this one http://www.tmonews.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/picture1.jpg
except the tmobile was brand was in the middle on the top and the back was brown..it didnt have silver bezel..ill try and go in monday to ask him if i can take a picture of it but thats kind of weird..hey man! can i take a picture of your phone so i can put it on the internet lol
i wonder if he would sell it to me for 500..he said he likes it but he loves his g1

bobdude5 said:
well if you live near Buena Park..go to the one on Orangethorpe and Beach Blvd..and they dont have it on display it was just given to him by tmobile..i dont know how the process works.. but im really not lying
it looked like this one http://www.tmonews.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/picture1.jpg
except the tmobile was brand was in the middle on the top and the back was brown..it didnt have silver bezel..ill try and go in monday to ask him if i can take a picture of it but thats kind of weird..hey man! can i take a picture of your phone so i can put it on the internet lol
i wonder if he would sell it to me for 500..he said he likes it but he loves his g1
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Its not that I don't believe you, its that I'm sad that there aren't any in my area. Plus I hope that you are wrong about the release date... Jul 22nd sounds better than Aug 8th
But what are your impressions on the phone? Is the T-mobile version just as nice looking as the Global version? do you like the lack of chrome?
& I'm fairly sure that T-mobiles touch pro2 will come in mocha color and black

Here's the latest blog's & pic's from tmonews yesterday: http://www.tmonews.com/2009/06/ready-for-some-touch-pro-2-action-we-are/#comments

galaxys said:
Here's the latest blog's & pic's from tmonews yesterday: http://www.tmonews.com/2009/06/ready-for-some-touch-pro-2-action-we-are/#comments
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Ugh T-mobile screwed up the color scheme and design.

skyler17 said:
Its not that I don't believe you, its that I'm sad that there aren't any in my area. Plus I hope that you are wrong about the release date... Jul 22nd sounds better than Aug 8th
But what are your impressions on the phone? Is the T-mobile version just as nice looking as the Global version? do you like the lack of chrome?
& I'm fairly sure that T-mobiles touch pro2 will come in mocha color and black
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well the one the guy had was mocha..i wasnt to crazy about it..i really like how the one shown in the htc website looks..i mean its not bad its just i hope they have other colors than mocha
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Here's the latest blog's & pic's from tmonews yesterday: http://www.tmonews.com/2009/06/ready-for-some-touch-pro-2-action-we-are/#comments
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thats not the one i saw..The tmobile logo was in the middle...im gonna go buy it off him lol..anybody want to loan me some money ..we can share the phone ahah

Link278 said:
Ugh T-mobile screwed up the color scheme and design.
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lol see Link I told you it didn't look as great as the HTC branded model

poppinpengawen said:
lol see Link I told you it didn't look as great as the HTC branded model
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I'm going to hold off judgement until I see it in person.

poppinpengawen said:
lol see Link I told you it didn't look as great as the HTC branded model
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yep I think they usually do screw it up lol I really hope it comes in other colors too, but I doubt it will, but even if it does they probably will come out later and Im gonna want to get it as soon as I can I called a tmobile store and asked about phones that are going to come out and they said they didnt know.. but once I went to the store adn tehy said that all they new is the G2 should bve coming out this summer so im gonna go in person

Link278 said:
so im gonna go in person
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My store (like most) don't have a clue They are kept in the dark by tmobile until they announce the official 'go live release date'!

galaxys said:
My store (like most) don't have a clue They are kept in the dark by tmobile until they announce the official 'go live release date'!
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lol I wish tmobile would just tell us about their upcoming products, maybe if more people knew about it more would sell.... hmmm... that makes sense doesn't it?

Link278 said:
lol I wish tmobile would just tell us about their upcoming products, maybe if more people knew about it more would sell.... hmmm... that makes sense doesn't it?
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Good one But, tmob never has done anything that made much sense (especially the 3G 1700/2100 bands)

galaxys said:
Good one But, tmob never has done anything that made much sense (especially the 3G 1700/2100 bands)
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SERIOUSLY!! why those bands!!..stupid jerks nobody makes phones with those bands those imbeciles

Link278 said:
Ugh T-mobile screwed up the color scheme and design.
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That was one of my main concerns about buying TP2 with an american carrier
You´re right they screwed up and sadly I think any other carrier will screw up with different colors.....(Hope I´m wrong)
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I'm going to hold off judgement until I see it in person.
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I wish I can do that, but if in USA you guys have to wait till July or August, imagine in México!, we have to wait for our 3G version (in the best case scenario and if arrives...) till november!
So I´ll wait till be launched in USA and then decide if buy one of those nasty modifications models or to loose 3G with an european beauty.......
Hard descicion uh?
Just my personal thinking.
Cheers to all,

TP2 No Longer on Official Tmo site???

just went to check the tmo forums for the official 6.5 update and the Touch Pro 2 is nolonger available...WTF?????

akademik_acheeba said:
just went to check the tmo forums for the official 6.5 update and the Touch Pro 2 is nolonger available...WTF?????
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Yeah, "Out of stock" they say.

just did a lil checking arround... the 6.5 Official ROM is comming to TMo 1-20-10 !!!! maybe they're updating the specs or something CHECK THIS OUT

You poor bastards have the ugliest (brown) TP2
AT&Ts is the most pimp.

kroniced said:
AT&Ts is the most pimp.
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At least we don't have the worst keyboard. If I had the Tilt 2 I'd take an ax and hack off that kb.

kroniced said:
AT&Ts is the most pimp.
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no number keys for the top row on att...FN 9, FN 1, FN 1 ...HELLLLLLP THIS KEYBOARD IS WACK !!!!

kroniced said:
AT&Ts is the most pimp.
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I happen to think that my touch pro 2 is cinnamon and chocolate... NOT BROWN. also, I happen to think that the T-Mo version is a lot classier. it stands out from all the other monochrome soap boxes. the keyboard is nice...
OH BY THE WAY: sorry about you loosing status as the "fastest most reliable 3G network"
all bull____ aside, it is a matter of prefference. I like mine, you like yours.
and back to topic; they are probably erasing the forum contents (or updating to 6.1 / 6.5 forums for the same device) ... or maybe they just decided that since XDA is mentioned on all of those forums the tmo forums are sort of obsolete... or just exist to direct their users here

S.V.I said:
I happen to think that my touch pro 2 is cinnamon and chocolate... NOT BROWN. also, I happen to think that the T-Mo version is a lot classier. it stands out from all the other monochrome soap boxes. the keyboard is nice...
OH BY THE WAY: sorry about you loosing status as the "fastest most reliable 3G network"
all bull____ aside, it is a matter of prefference. I like mine, you like yours.
and back to topic; they are probably erasing the forum contents (or updating to 6.1 / 6.5 forums for the same device) ... or maybe they just decided that since XDA is mentioned on all of those forums the tmo forums are sort of obsolete... or just exist to direct their users here
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T-Mobile puts the T in Terrible

actually the verizon one looks best and has the best keyboard too

well im sure everyone didnt spend $400 on a tp2 that they dont like...we all got ours for the colors, style or whatever. CLOSE THREAD ISSUE RESOLVED. TMO TP2 IS GETTING UPGRADED TO 6.5 SO THEY ARE MAKING SPEC CHANGES.

S.V.I said:
OH BY THE WAY: sorry about you loosing status as the "fastest most reliable 3G network"
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BURNED!!!!!!!

Anyone else getting irritated by HTC?

And there fake release date news for 2.2?

Me, me, me.... damn it HTC
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nah
more irritated with google for not having App2SD functionality in the FIRST android release.
if it wasn't for the bogus 512mb "ROM limit" on installing apps, i wouldnt be awaiting froyo with such baited breath.

Yep been waiting all weekend! We should put a post when someone actually gets the 1st update from htc so we know!
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The weekend is not yet finished. So, I see no reasons to get upset.
And anyway, they might have really started to roll-out, as HTC Germany says.
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Yeah but during weekend is not when its 1 minute over midnight to monday.. it should already been out so people can update whenever they feel like during the weekend.. stop the teasing and just get it out when its so close.

Nope, not at all. You'll get it when you get it. Chill.

wally80 said:
The weekend is not yet finished. So, I see no reasons to get upset.
And anyway, they might have really started to roll-out, as HTC Germany says.
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This. IIRC it was only Germany and NL that "officially" announced it was coming, so nobody else has the right to ***** anyway if it doesnt.

If I wanted to be treated like this I would have bought a iPhone.

Of course I'm not irritated, I have a life!

ix9 said:
nah
more irritated with google for not having App2SD functionality in the FIRST android release.
if it wasn't for the bogus 512mb "ROM limit" on installing apps, i wouldnt be awaiting froyo with such baited breath.
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What limited would that be, and because as far as i'm aware the limit is hardware - the Dell Streak running 1.6 has 2gb available for apps storage.
Regards,
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I really think some people need to step away from the internet and go out and have some fun. If it's here when you get back then you can install; if it's not then not.
Surely an update to your mobile phone can not be the most important thing in your lives...

Not in the least bothered really when it comes, today, tomorrow, next week.
I already have Froyo and its running sweet.

How many stupid Desire users does it take to screw in a lightbulb ?
The be honest I am more irritated by dumb-fu-ks who have more time than brain cells and have to whinge about everything including the firmware release of a completely functional mobile phone. Even worse is the fact that two mouse clicks away is another section of the forum where they could easily download and run about a dozen versions of Android 2.2 hacked/packed/delivered with all the bells and whistles.
So people put the fu-king phone down, chill out, go outside and take a breath of fresh air. You will live longer ....
THE UPDATE WILL COME WHEN IT COMES..... Jumping up and down about it, checking the OTA update on the phone every 2 microseconds and making another 1.4 billion new threads won't make it appear any faster...
Next instalment in the new pointless thread forum - "I fu-ked up my phone when updating the OTA ! Help !!!", "Why won't the HTC OTA work on my Orange/Virgin/crap branded Desire" and my favourite "What's an OTA", oh and another "Anyone got Froyo Update?" (speak of the devil http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741397 )

NutsyUK said:
And there fake release date news for 2.2?
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Nope, not really. Pretty much every company releases dates then has to put it back to some extent, this is nothing new.

fredaroony said:
If I wanted to be treated like this I would have bought a iPhone.
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And your reason? Apple are on time with everything mate. Don't be such a hater lol

If i knew this I would never have bought Desire.

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The be honest I am more irritated by dumb-fu-ks who have more time than brain cells [....]
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you do have a point here. but: why do you get so angry?
you accuse them of having nothing else to do than wait for the froyo release. yet, you fail to convey this in an appropriate manner: In order to make them realize that they are poor souls (whose sole purpose in life is a phone software update), you better tell them in a way they don't perceive as *****ing and hating.
however, the way you get all angry about them raises the suspicion that you yourself have little else to do in your free time. complaining about them doesn't help anyone!

BuroBernd said:
In order to make them realize that they are poor souls (whose sole purpose in life is a phone software update), you better tell them in a way they don't perceive as *****ing and hating.
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Do explain ... I just didn't think I could convey it simply enough without sign language and hand puppets. I really was typing V e r y s l o w l y for those "special" members.
Btw, my tongue is deeply buried in my cheek

mortuus82 said:
Yeah but during weekend is not when its 1 minute over midnight to monday.. it should already been out so people can update whenever they feel like during the weekend.. stop the teasing and just get it out when its so close.
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i beleve they said the "roll out" would START this weekend, that says nothing about anyone actuall getting it this weekend :s do you know what the " roll out " involves? because i dont lol
Nuntius said:
Of course I'm not irritated, I have a life!
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wow someone thats normal i thought i was the only one lol

T-mobile G2

was offically announces five days ago anybody planing on giving up there T-moble TP2 for the G2 or holding on to it until a window seven phone come out?

ya,uhm i go with no....
but ill hold out for next spring when a
Hardened win7 shows itself with exp

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anybody planing on giving up their T-moble TP2 for the G2
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Seems off topic for this forum...but, yes.
So far I haven't heard anything about WP7 that makes it sound like something I'd want to wait for... And I'm tired of missing the apps/features that have come to Android and other OS, and not WM.

MCbrian said:
Seems off topic for this forum...but, yes.
So far I haven't heard anything about WP7 that makes it sound like something I'd want to wait for... And I'm tired of missing the apps/features that have come to Android and other OS, and not WM.
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Oops sorry about being off topic, but yeah same here i hate missing out on the apps etc, but at the same time i like being able to customize my phone like crazy

I hope to get one this weekend. That's if they are released on Friday as they are said to be.

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I hope to get one this weekend. That's if they are released on Friday as they are said to be.
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G2 this weekend?? I don't think so...pre-order, maybe, but the latest rumors call for an Oct 16 launch.
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Me too...which is one reason I'm not interested in WP7 (based on what I've heard so far, it'll be way-locked-down)

yea i think it might be that way for a while until some chefs get a hold of it
but the specs i dont quite like im holding out for an android with specs like the evo or better

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yea i think it might be that way for a while until some chefs get a hold of it
but the specs i dont quite like im holding out for an android with specs like the evo or better
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same here im going to wait it out, but rumor is that in europe WM7 phone coming out and about three to two weeks. so we should see some video on youtube soon

MCbrian said:
G2 this weekend?? I don't think so...pre-order, maybe, but the latest rumors call for an Oct 16 launch.
Me too...which is one reason I'm not interested in WP7 (based on what I've heard so far, it'll be way-locked-down)
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Mine was pre-ordered. I got a text from T-Mobile 2 days ago letting me know to expect my G2 to arrive within 7 days.

After actually reading that Oct 16 launch article in the link above, the only thing I can figure is that the G2 will be officially released to all customers. New or existing customers. The T-Mobile guy told me on the phone that it would be arriving at my house around the 6th. So, I dunno.. It would not surprise me any if it didn't come out till November 16th. Nothing about the phone companies ever comes as a surprise. But, I am still having fun customizing my TP2 and messing around with the xandroid on the sd card.

wow so there's people on here making off topic posts about the fisher price lookin OS too.

eric12341 said:
wow so there's people on here making off topic posts about the fisher price lookin OS too.
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well this thread haven't been moved yet... so yeah go somewhere with your lame jokes

chevy383surfing said:
After actually reading that Oct 16 launch article in the link above, the only thing I can figure is that the G2 will be officially released to all customers. New or existing customers. The T-Mobile guy told me on the phone that it would be arriving at my house around the 6th. So, I dunno.. It would not surprise me any if it didn't come out till November 16th. Nothing about the phone companies ever comes as a surprise. But, I am still having fun customizing my TP2 and messing around with the xandroid on the sd card.
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It fun customizing the TP2 but i think it time for somthing solid. to much flashing and re-installing app gets annoying after a while

BeEazy10 said:
well this thread haven't been moved yet... so yeah go somewhere with your lame jokes
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not a lame joke, its the truth

Following articles say G2 may be on sale any day now, or may already be available:
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/10/t-mobile-gives-stores-permission-to-sell-the-g2-ahead-of-schedule/
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/09/radio-shack-dropping-the-t-mobile-g2-on-october-3rd/

Not sure about the comment about not wanting to give up the ability to customize (like you can on the TP2). There is lots of customization available on Android, on an OS that is vastly smoother, more stable, and has tons of support from app developers.
One of the few things stopping me from going to Android, is the lack of a ATT-compatible handset with a hardware keyboard. And I might be willing to overlook the keyboard requirement.

redpoint73 said:
Not sure about the comment about not wanting to give up the ability to customize (like you can on the TP2). There is lots of customization available on Android, on an OS that is vastly smoother, more stable, and has tons of support from app developers.
One of the few things stopping me from going to Android, is the lack of a ATT-compatible handset with a hardware keyboard. And I might be willing to overlook the keyboard requirement.
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Typing on a phone with a big screen like the HD2 is not that bad.

I'm thinking of going with the Desire Z (virtually identical to the G2).
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same here im going to wait it out, but rumor is that in europe WM7 phone coming out and about three to two weeks. so we should see some video on youtube soon
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Don't think that's got a hardware keyboard though, more of an HD2 equivalent, perhaps ?

BeEazy10 said:
Typing on a phone with a big screen like the HD2 is not that bad.
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People with iPhones have the same description of the screen keyboard: "not that bad". The screen keyboard is never described as "good". "Not that bad" isn't good enough for me. A hardware keyboard is simply faster, more accurate, and therefore a superior input method. It does result in a slightly thicker form factor, but that's a trade-off that is more than worthwhile, IMO. Especially coming from the best hardware keyboard on a phone (the TP2), its pretty tough for me to make a switch to a screen keyboard.

redpoint73 said:
Following articles say G2 may be on sale any day now, or may already be available:
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/10/t-mobile-gives-stores-permission-to-sell-the-g2-ahead-of-schedule/
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/09/radio-shack-dropping-the-t-mobile-g2-on-october-3rd/
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People who pre-ordered started receiving the G2 late last week. And the G2 board at T-Mobile Forums has been going nuts for several days...crises rising and falling -- lots of drama.