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I really don't get what the fuss is about this theme, ok so credit should be given where it's due I'm not arguing, but surely all that's required in this instance is "here's my theme - parts are borrowed from here and here, what do you think?" is sufficient.
It's ridiculous that we even feel the need to debate this, someone went out and built a theme they liked, and decided they would share it with the rest of us, something they did not need to do! Instead of saying thanks, we've shut down a thread because it wasn't precise enough about where it's components were found!
Regarding this theme, i love it, i think it almost perfectly combines the best parts of other themes and apart from the splash screen which i rarely see, makes my phone look great. I can't ask the developer to improve the theme now though thanks to a debate about a couple of icons! fantastic!
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I really don't get what the fuss is about this theme, ok so credit should be given where it's due I'm not arguing, but surely all that's required in this instance is "here's my theme - parts are borrowed from here and here, what do you think?" is sufficient.
It's ridiculous that we even feel the need to debate this, someone went out and built a theme they liked, and decided they would share it with the rest of us, something they did not need to do! Instead of saying thanks, we've shut down a thread because it wasn't precise enough about where it's components were found!
Regarding this theme, i love it, i think it almost perfectly combines the best parts of other themes and apart from the splash screen which i rarely see, makes my phone look great. I can't ask the developer to improve the theme now though thanks to a debate about a couple of icons! fantastic!
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thanks faith..
it is clearly ridiculous..but i cant do anything..
HYBRID has in no way stop at all...this is just a set back..
i want my thread back....my original thread..
i am not going to make a new 1 cuz there no neeed..
to everybody that has MY HYBID THEME...or not
please post ur comments and give ur opinion about this whole situation...
and tell the admin/moderators u want my thread re opened....
please help me..
thats all i ask in return...
VIVA LA RESISTANCE!!!!!!!!!! hahah lol
i agree...the thread should be re opened because there is nothing wrong with his theme or how it was created. if you close his then you should close alot others because i know of 3 themes that share the EXACT same clock as the hybrid theme and a few icons and i dont see any reference to whee there clock and icons came from on there thread. everyone is not gonna have a completely different theme, clock, and set of icons. so IMO as long as he acknowledges that he made his theme from a combination of others i feel it is sufficient because whose to sat who FIRST created the black transparant clock that 3THEMES share and icons. as long as he is not saying he created the whole theme from scratch and taking all the cedit then whats the problem? nobody is payin for these themes so its not like he's getting anything from it besides happy hackers who love his work!
If you are referring to the black carbon fiber clock, the actual clock was posted by brandenk in a thread where he gave permission for anyone to use it.
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If you are referring to the black carbon fiber clock, the actual clock was posted by brandenk in a thread where he gave permission for anyone to use it.
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Ok, but there are still a number of themes that share some the same icons and dont give credit to one another.
I do feel that shutting the thread down is the wrong decision...if that is the case, then I want the "Post ONLY your G1 Wallpapers here!" threat shut down...I know for a fact, that there is a Guinness wallpaper on there that I created and uploaded to g1wallz.com that is posted under someone elses name and no credit is given to me. I never really b!tched about it because I dont really care (I posted it on the www afterall, if it was that important to me I would have just kept it to myself)...but if we are going to get picky about giving recognition and asking for permissions then...
Some examples may be helpful, some of us have gotten icons from each other and some from deviantartbut I know the staff doesn't have time to go through every theme that shares something so examples may be needed
Ok here's a simple solution to give credit to all that's do credit.
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*** I appreciate the hard work and have used icons/images from various sources.. for your hard work I appreciate it and you work lives on in insert theme name here. I wish I can recall all the names of the original makers but I can't as I have scoured the internet and other sources and can't recollect them. If 1 of your images is posted here that should not have been redistributed or used please feel free to contact Theme maker name here and we will work on resolving the issue.
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The above should quickly cover your own @ss and give credit and thus stopping the fighting.
Now how many people have used google to search an item to recreate? not all are graphic masters and not all while trying to develop something remembers their sources.
I personally thank all theme makers and others for their hard work!!!
ANYONE ANYWHERE MAY USE ANY AND ALL COMPONENTS OF MY THEMES WITH OR WITHOUT ANY REFERENCE TO ME OR THOSE THAT HELP ME
With that said, I am here to help and learn. We are what make this phone awesome, not Google, not HTC, not T-mobile, and not any 1 person. I am truly honored anytime you guys use my components in your own themes, if I didnt I would not bother to make them.
If you guys cant understand that imitation is the highest form of flattery all I can say is go watch Star Trek, I learned this lesson from Data on TNG years ago and it has served me very well. Granted, i love it when you guys mention my name if you use my clock but Im not going to be offended if you dont. Especially since the clock wasnt "my idea". Im sure there are a million people out there that could argue they created something very similar way before me, and to them all I have to say is thank you for the great idea and I hope you appreciate my hard work to take your "idea" to the next level.
My ideal scenario would be everyone taking bits and pieces from themes they like and compiling them into a theme that is perfect for them.
Do you know how many of them probably got their icons from the same source? I know some of the themes were yes, obviously borrowed icons, but others were just coincidence. The whole point of open source is that anyone, can take anything anyone makes, change some ****, and create something totally new. Yes, they SHOULD provide credit, but its not key.
Simply put, if you don't want people to use your ideas, do NOT post them. Simple as that. Any moderator that finds the need to close a thread for that purpose is just, well lack for a better word, dumb.
Now to the theme makers directly, I thank them for all the work they put into the themes, it is a lot of work. However they aren't doing it for us, its for them. I wouldn't create a theme based on what everyone else will want, I'd make one that I like, I enjoy, then later post it here to allow others to use it.
So everyone, stop *****ing, stop complaining, and just enjoy what everyone has to offer.
I used that very same clock in my theme and I credited brandenk for it, what tootall4la is doing is wrong. Some people put allot of work into creating these themes, the least he could do is say thanks to brandenk for his clock and what not. Also, I think he got a complete lack of respect for others. Here's a quote when someone suggested he give credit to other people for using their work to create his "Frankenstein"
its a nice suggestion but will not be taken because..
i already gave credit to those ppl!!!!!!!!!!..
i am claming my theme.. im not claming anything else...
like i explained to jdwme..
and thats where my frankenstein title comes from because i use all these parts to make a new theme(a.k.a frankenstein) a new breed the HYBRID...
just call me creative.. no one else though of doing this.. to not dissapoint other theme makers..why should i ask for permission???haha..well im just doing what i think would be a great looking theme and so far ppl do think it is...so suck it lol.
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I know he never credited me for the resources he used,
Hybrid Version 1.5 RELEASE(JFv 1.41 Compatible)
Improvements:
1.Metal Sheet Status bar...
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which is just the brushed metal I created for my Macdroid theme and there's plenty of other stuff he used and never gave a thanks for it. I'm not trying to be a jerk but it is common courtesy to give a thanks.
Open the thread most of the themes contain parts of other themes,I know cause I can see my work all over but that does not matter. Hey guys I also say anything I have done as far as themes can be used with out giving me credit or permission if you want to give credit that would be better but its cool with me either way.
Its not like google or T-Mobile even gave permission to do this lol....I love forum.
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Its not like google or T-Mobile even gave permission to do this lol....I love forum.
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Oh Noes! You mean Mr. T. Mobile himself didnt give you permission to do this?!?! Thats it, im burning my phone and calling the cops on all of your guys!
Well they gave me permission but hey that's me LMAO!!!! Hey an stop calling me I'm off duty.
Theme Police are watcing I need better sun glasses.
Well....this is indeed a touchy subject. I Believe the thread should be reopened as well but.....I agree with Geo411. There does seem to be a lack of respect for other authors. There are authors on here such as Manup and Brandek that do not care, but that does not go for everyone. I for one dont really care for my own theme, but I love and respect all who have contributed to the community and wish that we do give credit to others that worked so hard and actually wanted to be recognized for it. It really does not take that much time to type out a few lines of recognition....Reopen the thread once recognition has been given.
its a nice suggestion but will not be taken because..
i already gave credit to those ppl!!!!!!!!!!..
i am claming my theme.. im not claming anything else...
like i explained to jdwme..
and thats where my frankenstein title comes from because i use all these parts to make a new theme(a.k.a frankenstein) a new breed the HYBRID...
just call me creative.. no one else though of doing this.. to not dissapoint other theme makers..why should i ask for permission???haha..well im just doing what i think would be a great looking theme and so far ppl do think it is...so suck it lol.
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Unless his attitude changes tootall4la will keep hitting a brick wall.
G1 is a fine line with "crediting" sources, since it is open-source.
Although, common courtesy of a thank you to all, is humane, a nice juster.
As for tootall4la's thread to reopen, noticing most theme makers dont mind whether they get credit or not, tootall4la should figure out who he should thank and PM him or them and work it out.
My opinion on this matter doesnt mean a thing. Since im not the mod who closed the thread, i wont be the mod to reopen it without assurance from all, that it's ok to reopen it.
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Ok here's a simple solution to give credit to all that's do credit.
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*** I appreciate the hard work and have used icons/images from various sources.. for your hard work I appreciate it and you work lives on in insert theme name here. I wish I can recall all the names of the original makers but I can't as I have scoured the internet and other sources and can't recollect them. If 1 of your images is posted here that should not have been redistributed or used please feel free to contact Theme maker name here and we will work on resolving the issue.
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Very Well Put... This Would Really Help Solve All This Madness. and i noticed they shut down the thread but i havent seen ONE post supporting keeping the thread closed which should make a point to the moderators that just because ONE person may have a problem, what ablout the rest of the people on the forums who IMO majority doesn't have a problem and wants the thread re opened.
Agreed, and it is personal taste. As a rule of thumb I think communities like this function more on sharing than owning content so if you want to own your content this community probably isnt the place for you. That said, I would like to encourage the sharing aspect of the community and remember, even tho I dont mind anyone using my components, when I get a thank you it goes a long way. Sometimes its a simple "ty" other times its someone buying me a beer, either way the more I get from you guys for my hard work the more willing I am to bust my balls trying to improve things for you guys.
What goes around comes around.
One Q; if the site really cared if we got credit then why is there no thank you button which would solve the problem. When you drop your theme you can be thanked and get your credit automatic.
Anyway a theme section is what's really needed not people fighting about themes who's icons belong to another designer,does anybody ask them permission?
Keep the piece guys it not that serious I would take what ever part of the theme that the other person is complaining about. Tell me what it is and ill make one for you,but I hope this is not going to be your only theme. I want to see some more work after this original.
Hey I also don't mind if people use/improve my theme, what I'm referring to was the improper etiquette used. Here's a PM from a user on the forum asking if he can improve upon my theme. This is proper etiquette.
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Sistum Id said:
I am requesting permission to edit and alter your MacDroid v2.2 1.41 theme for the G1. I will be making the aluminum darker (more black), and maybe changing a few icons.
If you want when I'm done I can forward it to you or host it myself and give you credit or never release it publicly.
Mike
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I tried making the brushed metal darker and it doesn't look right. It blended in to much with the rest of the menu icons and made thing harder to see. Well give it a shot perhaps you can make it look better than I did.
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I know what you mean. I tried different ways with photoshop to just change yours and make it darker but it doesnt come out right at all. It looks more bluish gray if anything.
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As a rule of thumb I think communities like this function more on sharing than owning content so if you want to own your content this community probably isnt the place for you.
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I agree with this, if it wasn't for JF finding loopholes to root or Stericson for sharing what he discovered we about theming, we wouldn't be here modding our phones in the first place.
Fade to blue and glossy minimalism. Both with notes for developers to contact them if the want itt taken down...how do u feel about seeing these in the market?
Personally I'm ok with it. I've said numerous times that people are free to use my themes and modify them as they see fit. I only ask that I'm credited for it.
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Fade to black and glossy minimalism. Both with notes for developers to contact them if the want itt taken down...how do u feel about seeing these in the market?
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Just to clarify...its not ahome...it looks like a developer created yet another home replacement that allows non root users to apply themes. I have not created any themes or applications (cuz I dont really have time to learn) but I think as long as the devs. of the themes are cool with it its a great idea.
I dont think it would be fair for the dev of this app to charge for it without paying 'royalties' to the original theme creators...but we will see what happens
While they should ask first i think its awesome that they not only gave credit but they are incorporating all the great themes on here into skins for all to use! I'm sure that upsets some theme makers though. For me i am using BUUF theme and now i can have skin of it for the app which makes me very happy. I think its kinda cool that the theme dev names are out there, will bring in more people to see theme dev outstanding work!
they are actually for openhome, not aHome. Seems pretty interesting
*looks like I'm a little late in posting
Open home always gives refrence to from where the theme is from so dont matter they give credit both to xda and the developer the only thing they must mention name of the theme developer too !!!
They really should test the themes before release...some of them (fadetoblue) really jack up the tray. If you're going to use someone else's work...at least make it look as good as the original. I do like the idea...wish dxhome would do it.
wow, i saw my theme posted in the market as well. They are giving credit so i'm totally ok with it. This might actually be a big step towards making installation of themes easier. Hopefully we'll see this and dxhome make further improvements.
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wow, i saw my theme posted in the market as well. They are giving credit so i'm totally ok with it. This might actually be a big step towards making installation of themes easier. Hopefully we'll see this and dxhome make further improvements.
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My sentiments exactly. I love the progress that is being made now. I'm pretty psyched about in a small way being part of that.
I think this is great... Theme devs should get the word out there of where these are coming from so that the theme competitions can grow too .
XDA is the frontline for the growing community IMHO.
doh what the hell did i miss? I have been using an IPhone all day and some crazy stuff like this happens...haha
I think its cool my theme will get to more people, as long as the dev isn't making money off my work i'm fine with it. but i got to check this app out.
What about the regulars that rooted their phones 2 b able to get themes??? Now anybody can do it.... I don't feel so special anymore lol....
I'm jus sayin though...
im cool with it, my theme distortion red is up there now... glad that in return i get to use any and all of the apps for free, i pay them and be recredited my money back or theyd send me the apk outside of the market place...
never imagined that if i learnd how to theme and made them that Id be in the Android market... didint even have to pay the $25 fee
to the op... what is your point? credit was given, the themes that are being use in the app. are free, and you didn't even get the name of the program right. close this pointless thread, please.
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to the op... what is your point? credit was given, the themes that are being use in the app. are free, and you didn't even get the name of the program right. close this pointless thread, please.
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the name ws my bad...i meant open home but was in a hurry as i was on break at work. my poiint was simply that they posted someone elses work with out asking permission before they did it...i just wanted to know how theme developes felt abot this, that is all. as i said i was trying to finsh up before i had to go back to work. my appologies...i should have waited
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wow, i saw my theme posted in the market as well. They are giving credit so i'm totally ok with it. This might actually be a big step towards making installation of themes easier. Hopefully we'll see this and dxhome make further improvements.
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i agree. can anybody make skins or themes for open home or just the dev? ive never tried one but i'm interested in learning how to or playing around with it. if it is possible and there's directions posted on how to do this could you point me to the thread (all i found was creating themes for root, i don't have root).
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to the op... what is your point? credit was given, the themes that are being use in the app. are free, and you didn't even get the name of the program right. close this pointless thread, please.
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Why are the moderators and senior members here very rude and harsh talking?
In many closed or near to being closed threads i have seen same harsh comments...
Cant they talk properly we all know doooshty is a respected member also has organized theme competition which made me try my hands on theaming really appreciating...
I just want to say the senior members and moderators should respect each member equally and be polite and encouraging...
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Why are the moderators and senior members here very rude and harsh talking?
In many closed or near to being closed threads i have seen same harsh comments...
Cant they talk properly we all know doooshty is a respected member also has organized theme competition which made me try my hands on theaming really appreciating...
I just want to say the senior members and moderators should respect each member equally and be polite and encouraging...
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Well lets not group all senior members into that category, im not like that. There are some people on here, senior member and noobs that just talk to people that way, just the way it is. Moderators are not on here to make friends, they have a tough job moderating this forum. Its not their job to be polite, although most i know are very nice! Best thing to do is just ignore people like that man.
We're IT people, we don't have normal social skills
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im cool with it, my theme distortion red is up there now... glad that in return i get to use any and all of the apps for free, i pay them and be recredited my money back or theyd send me the apk outside of the market place...
never imagined that if i learnd how to theme and made them that Id be in the Android market... didint even have to pay the $25 fee
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Dood, Im rocking the Distortion Red Skin right now. Its my fave.
Im using it with this background http://g1-wallpapers.com/displayimage.php?album=4&pos=4
Great work on this one.
I think they gave proper credit to the Dev's, and personally I had JFv1.41 on my phone, and removed it (back to stock ADP). I didnt like messing with all the modding. So Im happy to see that I have the option of theming/skinning without all the hassle.
I just realised that very few people actually donate to our devs like rotastrain,donbonone,,mr.rusch etc etc
Do you like modifications for tf3d?and if you do are you ready to donate for it?
I see loads of mods by rotastrain in special..i think he n others deserve our two cents!!
THANk YOU DEVS
VOTE IF YOU LIKE MODS N WILL DONATE OR YOU DONT NEED THEM MUCH!!
Peace
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interesting...
They are kinda interesting.
I'd like to see more votes.
lol..i would really like to see exactly what is the outcome of this poll..
I want to just say thank you all for all the hard work you do that sometimes goes unpaid or even a simple thank you. I want to say thank you for making our phones everything that the corp greed machine doesn't want to work for.
THANK YOU all Especially you Cyanogen
I second that- Thanks to all you hard working devs- Chris
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I want to just say thank you all for all the hard work you do that sometimes goes unpaid or even a simple thank you. I want to say thank you for making our phones everything that the corp greed machine doesn't want to work for.
THANK YOU all Especially you Cyanogen
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I second that- Thanks to all you hard working devs- Chris
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Can I third this Cause I so know I could never do what they do
Yeah
Can I fourth this? I go on the forums everyday. All time reader and i usually never post but yeah, Thanks Devs. I appreciate it a lot.
Big thanks to all! I could have never rooted without this forum. The others out there don't even come close
I'd just like to say I love this site!
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I'd just like to say I love this site!
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Ditto, and a big thank you to all the devs. for doing an outstanding job with the roms and themes and apps and all that good stuff.
My hat's off to you gentlemen.
Id like to say thanx to Cyanogen, Drizzy, all other notable people who have optimized Hero as well Cupcake and DONUT...
also want to say thanx to the community, keep at it!
And lastly, not tooting my horn (really), thanx to the theme developers and all of the great ideas and concepts that turn to life on here!!
A Big Thank You
I am a fresh nub to this!!! Ive only been reading this forum for a week now but have learned sooo much about my phone and the things it can do! i knew NOTHIN at all about this. So thank u to all the members here u guys are all awesome especially: Drizzy, Manup, Armyranger251, Dude, Haykuro, Stericson, and Beagz. Thanks for all the knowledge!!! I hope to make themes too one day soon!
May as well join in, Big Thanks to all the Devs hard work! To think I almost purchased a certain apple product before I found this site! Thanks! I've never looked back.
Ok, I'm properly going to get a lot of negative people on here telling me to go F$%K myself or whatever which will properly include the supposedly "developers" of these so called roms of the links below as well BUT I'm going to say it anyways!
What happened to all the creative developers on here? I mean I admire XxXViRuSXxX, Cyanogen and echoside to name a few BUT I think the rest need to step up their game because looking at other forums on here and is not even close to the quality of work! I'm not sure about everyone else on here because every time I think I got you guys figured out, I get surprised BUT I'm tired of seeing a CM7 ROM with a theme on it and being posted in the development section! Oh and is not only CM7 Roms....is Sense Roms as well with NOTHING to add or anything....is an exact copy of the freaking rom! I could understand if you made a change to something other then a freaking .png then I wouldn't be as mad but when you just switch out .png's and call yourself a developer...COME ON, that's BULL!!
Now I know what's coming (I hope..lol), you guys are going to say that I'm wrong and that I need to chill out BUT I would like for someone to explain these roms below to me.......BECAUSE they don't provide nothing special except a theme!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1067648
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1039921
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1055623
I could pull up more but I think 3 was enough to prove my point.....
If you going to make a duplicate rom with a theme then do me and hopefully everyone else a favor and just make a .zip and post it in the themes and apps section because is getting OLD....it really is!
Oh and sorry for the rant but I just needed to get that off my chest....LOL
I agree to an extent
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Go F%$K YOURSELF!
LOL
Well, let us look at those three links you posted. You kind of lose your credibility by using those as your main argument.
Anyone with half a brain will realize that those threads look like failures. They barely have posts in them. People respond to the ROMs that interest them--and ROMs like that don't interest people, simple as that.
There's no way to just make people stop doing that, but it is quite obvious that the people who do that don't get many hits. They don't contribute anything, so people don't pay attention to them.
We have some amazing developers here, like Cyanogen, Virus, Myn, and so on. You said it yourself.
The development forums for the Evo are quite active, and so it is pretty obvious that you would have people who want to try to look like developers posting carbon copy ROMs.
I agree with you on the basic idea of the thread though; you aren't a ROM developer if you simply make a theme and throw some apps in. You're a theme developer. I would enjoy more creative and interesting ROMs, but I also at the same time feel that the Evo developer community delivers very well, and I'm glad we have all of the great developers we do.
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Good job sora. I've been telling you that for a while. Looks like you finally understand
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Good job sora. I've been telling you that for a while. Looks like you finally understand
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I've always understood that. >=(