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hey guys..
this is just a precautionary question for guys who are planning to buy an artemis.
is this device really ready to handle WM7 ?
is there any person out there ready to prove that?
if its yes... its grt news and every one here wud love to know how wud that be possible.
because me using this device with the least programs installed and i am not satisfied with the performance.
its just not fast enough..
after checking out all the links based on the WM 7 shows amazing graphics and amazing applications..
so whats the ultimate answer?
people who have an artemis have to sell there device?
if yes.. which is the best one to opt for?
i know its lot of questions to be answered.. but i am very sure its gonna answer 100s of people who are planning to enter the PDA world
i'm relatively sure that all or most of the devices running OMAP 800 (i think thats the processor) will be unable to use wm7. besides, all the truly fun stuff (accelerometer) wouldn't work
WM7 won't run natively on any current phone. I'm pretty sure that some hacked versions will appear, for example, cooked wm6.1 ROMS with extra WM7 applications added. But too much of the stuff announced for WM7 relies on specific hardware and the corresponding drivers, so a full version is extremely unlikely, not only for the Artemis, also for more advanced productrs such as the Kaiser.
Im done guys with Wm my Hd2 is up for sale no update for hardware that can run Wp7 they can have wp7 my hd2 is up for sale and i just picked up my new Nexus one just flashed the new HTC Desire Rom running at 1.3GHZ Im happy Hello Android mabey next time WM mabey next time
Maybe next time, punctuation. Maybe next time...
Personally, I'm in the 'Buy a phone for what it can do now, not what I hope it might be able to do in the future' school of thought.
Sure, no WP7 is a disappointment, but if you own an HD2 (as I did for a while), you got what was being promised. For me, it was the lack of a keyboard that made me get a TP2, but the HD2 is still one helluva phone.
No announcement has been made. I'm gonna laugh if the HD2 ends up getting an update.
bye bye cry baby, i swear you guys crack me up. how can you be upset when you bought the phone without anything being announced if you bought it because YOU THOUGHT it was getting an update thats your own fault, ms didnt tell you ANYTHING. and the hd2 is gonna have wp7s soon enough, maybe not officially but who cares, custom roms>>>>>>official roms
I would be glad to take your HTC HD2 off your hands
The forum would be way better without such threads. But on the flip side it's funny to see how stupid some people are (sorry but it's the truth)
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The forum would be way better without such threads. But on the flip side it's funny to see how stupid some people are (sorry but it's the truth)
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Indeed. Im mad they are not releasing Iphone OS to my HD2.
(eventually the chefs will be making a version for the HD2, so come on.)
kel16harris said:
bye bye cry baby, i swear you guys crack me up. how can you be upset when you bought the phone without anything being announced if you bought it because YOU THOUGHT it was getting an update thats your own fault, ms didnt tell you ANYTHING. and the hd2 is gonna have wp7s soon enough, maybe not officially but who cares, custom roms>>>>>>official roms
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It's not so much the lack of an upgrade that's the problem, it's the combination of that plus WP7 being incompatible with Windows Mobile software. That's one thing nobody was predicting a few months ago, and it means that there is no longer any reason for a commercial software company to continue working on any Windows Mobile project - see, for example, Adobe's decision to scrap FlashPlayer on WinMo.
To say "your phone won't get an OS upgrade" is one thing, but to say "your phone won't get an upgrade, and incidentally we also neglected to mention that your phone's current OS would cease to be a viable platform for commercial software about three months after you buy it" is something else.
And it is not by any means certain that there will be custom ROMs based on WP7.
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Indeed. Im mad they are not releasing Iphone OS to my HD2.
(eventually the chefs will be making a version for the HD2, so come on.)
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I doubt it. The reason chefs have been able to make WM6.5 for older devices is because it is still based off of the same kernel as 5.0-6.1. If you are familiar with cooking ROMs for older devices, you would realize that we are still using 6.0 drivers on all of these 6.5 ROMs. Once the kernel changes, however, those drivers will most-likely be useless.
And yeah, buying the HD2 probably wasn't the best idea.
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I doubt it. The reason chefs have been able to make WM6.5 for older devices is because it is still based off of the same kernel as 5.0-6.1. If you are familiar with cooking ROMs for older devices, you would realize that we are still using 6.0 drivers on all of these 6.5 ROMs. Once the kernel changes, however, those drivers will most-likely be useless.
And yeah, buying the HD2 probably wasn't the best idea.
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It's also possible to run 6.5 on the Himalaya, which is originally based on PPC 2003 = different wince kernel.
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It's also possible to run 6.5 on the Himalaya, which is originally based on PPC 2003 = different wince kernel.
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But the Himalaya still got WM5, so that still means it got WinCE 5.2 kernel one way or another. Once it got a 5.2 kernel, it can run anything from WM5 all the way up to WM6.5.x
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But the Himalaya still got WM5, so that still means it got WinCE 5.2 kernel one way or another. Once it got a 5.2 kernel, it can run anything from WM5 all the way up to WM6.5.x
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alright that finally explains it. Didn't know they got an official WM5 release.
The HTC HD2 is an impressive device even without WP7 As for upgrading it, there will be a debate but, they will chose to release a HD3 instead. Feel free to sign the petition though,lol http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/hd2windowsphone7/
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5475&tag=content;col1
I'm quite on the contrary
Ironically a handful of days ago I made similar decision. Except for that I was really, really pissed off by Android and decided to switch back to WinMo. So I got a HD2.
Now I'm (again) having:
- The capability to play almost every media format on my phone
- *REAL* GPS navigation suites
- Serious, polished, and visually attractive games, by lots
- Proper tool to manage my personal (2 of them) and business mail accounts, with attachment, reply record and everything
- Excellent applications to read *AND EDIT* Word and Excel files. It's vital to have this as a translator who frequently has to work on-the-go.
- PDB, PRC, CHM, LIT, TXT, RTF, DOC, DOCX, HTML, PDF in short, whatever document format I may need to read. And the tools to do this are generally extremely polished
- The freedom of setting the phone on true mute mode once and for all, unlike on certain idiot OS where you set the thing on mute, all system notifications get silenced, while everything else from media player to games continue to sing how ever loud it likes
And what I no long have:
- Don't have to pick from a thousand not so different but frequently buggy cooked ROMs
- Don't have to flash my phone like once per week to keep up with new version of cooked ROM franchise
- Don't have to comb through 10K apps, filter 90% of them (crapware swarm), and pray "God give me some actually useful app please, amen"
Anyway, I'm not sure why so many people chanting around "Android is much, much by the outdated WinMo". I believe that the value of a smartphone is reflected by what it can achieve. WinMo so far is still much better than Android on satisfying my professional and entertainment needs. Yep its UI is no match for Android's (at least less colorful). But I can't care less about that. Beautiful or not, get the job done first.
As to WP7 update. Well, I'm having great faith on XDA. Even if Microsoft and HTC decide to screw HD2 owners big time, chances are pretty good the magnificent young men (and women) here can make an unofficial update happen. It doesn't really matter for me if this is not happening. Right now I'm having everything I need already, and I'm happy. WP7 is only a plus.
it's so true ....
chassit said:
Ironically a handful of days ago I made similar decision. Except for that I was really, really pissed off by Android and decided to switch back to WinMo. So I got a HD2.
Now I'm (again) having:
- The capability to play almost every media format on my phone
- *REAL* GPS navigation suites
- Serious, polished, and visually attractive games, by lots
- Proper tool to manage my personal (2 of them) and business mail accounts, with attachment, reply record and everything
- Excellent applications to read *AND EDIT* Word and Excel files. It's vital to have this as a translator who frequently has to work on-the-go.
- PDB, PRC, CHM, LIT, TXT, RTF, DOC, DOCX, HTML, PDF in short, whatever document format I may need to read. And the tools to do this are generally extremely polished
- The freedom of setting the phone on true mute mode once and for all, unlike on certain idiot OS where you set the thing on mute, all system notifications get silenced, while everything else from media player to games continue to sing how ever loud it likes
And what I no long have:
- Don't have to pick from a thousand not so different but frequently buggy cooked ROMs
- Don't have to flash my phone like once per week to keep up with new version of cooked ROM franchise
- Don't have to comb through 10K apps, filter 90% of them (crapware swarm), and pray "God give me some actually useful app please, amen"
Anyway, I'm not sure why so many people chanting around "Android is much, much by the outdated WinMo". I believe that the value of a smartphone is reflected by what it can achieve. WinMo so far is still much better than Android on satisfying my professional and entertainment needs. Yep its UI is no match for Android's (at least less colorful). But I can't care less about that. Beautiful or not, get the job done first.
As to WP7 update. Well, I'm having great faith on XDA. Even if Microsoft and HTC decide to screw HD2 owners big time, chances are pretty good the magnificent young men (and women) here can make an unofficial update happen. It doesn't really matter for me if this is not happening. Right now I'm having everything I need already, and I'm happy. WP7 is only a plus.
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+1
That’s what comes to my mind when I think Windows Mobile vs. Android
Actually I really don't care if Windows Phone 7 doesn’t get an "official" release for HD2.... Its current state is a "Solid Windows Mobile 6.5 PocketPC" which is exactly what was intended for it to be.
enjoy your little crappy java machine LOL that'll show em.
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Im done guys with Wm my Hd2 is up for sale no update for hardware that can run Wp7 they can have wp7 my hd2 is up for sale and i just picked up my new Nexus one just flashed the new HTC Desire Rom running at 1.3GHZ Im happy Hello Android mabey next time WM mabey next time
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"mabey" go to school and learn to spell next time? Just as a suggestion..
For Sale
My Xperia X1 is for sale as I have found out that it won't run Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition. Im also going to buy a Nexus One as it has a better chance of running Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition first! LOL
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My Xperia X1 is for sale as I have found out that it won't run Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition. Im also going to buy a Nexus One as it has a better chance of running Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition first! LOL
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I PM'd you with my offer
If this phone gets to the US through att (please!) I'm thinking hard about picking it up. I have a question though for the users that have switched from winmo to android.
I've been a winmo user since the wizard days and here lately I've grown tired of the daily resets (or multiple resets per day) to keep memory down and things running smooth. I love the Sense UI but it's a hog on winmo. I never thought I'd go to another phone that didn't have a slide out keyboard but the desire is something I'm really considering.
I realize this is a modding community and I'm sure I'll mod the device, but whereas the sense ui on winmo is "lipstick on a pig" it seems it's a lot more seamless on android.
Mainly i think i'm just getting burned out on winmo, but i refuse to support the evil empire of apple lol. I just want a phone that i don't have to restart every day, and I'm hoping android can be that.
So uh, does android "just work"?
Depending on how much of a "power user" one is , you could say Android just works.
I mean, Android with Sense + some minor tweaks and i don't have the urge to hack my phone into little pieces. I just use it.
Then again, for "just using" you might aswell get the iPhone.
Yes android does "Just Work"
And Sense UI on WinMo is completely different to the Android version, I couldn't believe they called it the same name =/
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Yes android does "Just Work"
And Sense UI on WinMo is completely different to the Android version, I couldn't believe they called it the same name =/
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what u mean by different? whats so different?
cez10 said:
what u mean by different? whats so different?
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Some of the design and the widgets of course and the integration. Plus it's slower on winmo than on android...
Almost identical reasons as the OP for me very seriously considering moving to the Desire.
Sense on Android does seem far more customisable than on WinMo devices. I've been using WinMo device since the Imate JAM.
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what u mean by different? whats so different?
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Sense UI on winmo is basically touchflo
I'm a die hard WinMo fan (I have well over a dozen WinMo phones right now - all HTC except 2). I want the Desire if for no other reason to hack something different while I wait for Windows Mobile 7 (which I may not get). If for no other reason, I ran out of things to hack on Windows Mobile. I need a new challenge. If I end up not liking Android, at least it kept me busy while we wait for Windows Mobile 7 (I refuse to call it anything else).
I picked up an iPhone 3GS just to see what I could do with it. Never even activated it. Not one of my prouder moments...
-Mc
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I'm a die hard WinMo fan (I have well over a dozen WinMo phones right now - all HTC except 2). I want the Desire if for no other reason to hack something different while I wait for Windows Mobile 7 (which I may not get). If for no other reason, I ran out of things to hack on Windows Mobile. I need a new challenge. If I end up not liking Android, at least it kept me busy while we wait for Windows Mobile 7 (I refuse to call it anything else).
I picked up an iPhone 3GS just to see what I could do with it. Never even activated it. Not one of my prouder moments...
-Mc
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same here... i absolutely love WinMo and will never, ever abandon it. i'm waiting for the HD2 to drop on T-Mo so i can test before i buy. if i get the HD2 it will be the Telstra version. i might wait longer for a WinMo 7 device, too.
i took the Android plunge almost 2 months ago with the Nexus One. i have been challenged to no end to learn some of the Android basics, but i'm getting there. once i got the courage to unlock and root, it was friggin on! now i'm running the alpha Desire ROM (yes alpha), a.k.a, Sense UI, which isn't perfect, but from a functionality and performance perspective i couldn't be happier. (well, that's not entirely true, i'm hoping that [email protected] can get bluetooth fixed, it's a little flaky right now). i truly, truly hope that WM Seven is similar in performance and functionality.
using Android hasn't been an easy journey and i was very concerned that i'd change my mind and go back to WinMo, but it hasn't happened. i know i will be a better, more knowledgeable hacker in the future. some of the things i admire with Android/Nexus One:
ability to create backups before testing new ROMs. i mean backups with all my apps installed. a.k.a., Nandroid
the ability to recover from my mistakes via Nandroid backups.
a buttload of themes, customizations galore for the Nexus One
notification panel, where you can slide down for all your notifications
a great browsing experience
absolutely beautiful AMOLED screen
with a 1 ghz processor, this thing is simply fast
gesture search of contacts, music, apps, web, etc. it's like the old graffiti but using the regular alphabet
things that are challenging me big time:
Android command language
ROM/folder structures, basically where stuff get's stored
java, java, java
no native install to microSD card, there's AP2SD, but i'm not ready for that yet
not knowing how Android manages memory, programs, etc.
knowing how to create my own themes; i've had more failures than successes
having to depend more on others for assistance than i'm accustomed to.
i'm glad i made the transition to Android with the right device (for me). i miss WinMo and my all time favorite device Touch HD. i have an Xda Orbit II as a standby that's been good to me for 2 years. i'll be back to WinMo 7, but for now, i'm enjoying my Android experience.
i'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to move to Android; i only want to share my experience as a current/forever, diehard WinMo user. thanks for allowing me to express my thoughts!
p.s. i still have my first WinMo device, it's an MPx 200 running WinMo 6.5. a classic device that i will never give up!
I can not call myself a WinMo veteran, since I have been using the HD2 for only 2,5 months. But the fact that it is already a dead device because of the Developers leaving to 7 Series(Adobe just stopped making flash for it, while they were very close to finishing it) makes me sad. If on 1 April there is still no word on the future of the HD2, I am selling it and getting a Desire.
A few questions to Android users!
How is the Android Market? How many apps? All useable by Desire, or is the divercity of the Android devices making the quality suffer? And only instal to internal memory right?
General Android OS: easy to use? Eye candy? Touch optimized?
Android browser: good or not? Is there Opera browser for Android?
Does HTC Sense work well with Android? Does it become 'one', or stay 2 different things like Sense and WinMo?
What should I know more about Android? What do you Android users think are the bad things about the OS and hope to see changed in the future updates?
I know it is a lot I am asking, but I am making a right decision this time so I need to be informed.
Kind regards
great time to stumble on this thread.... my HD2 is no more and despite only using winmo for 3 months, I'm ready to go to Android too.
I'm no smartphone veteran - but something I enjoyed on the HD2 was the PSX emulator - will we see anything like that on Android?
Does anyone know about the development of medical apps for professionals as well as students?
Much appreciated.So far the Desire is looking like a strong contender but do the wise folks here have any other phone tips?
Hi there.
I am quite a WinMobile user. I already worked with WinCE many many years ago, but couldn't ever think of having a phone with WinCE/WinMobile. Then 2 years ago, I got myself the Tytn II because I wanted to advance in my mobile experience. After using it quite a while, flashing ROMs and doing stuff with it, I thought I'd never switch away from WinMobile. Until the real problems started.
A friend of mine got a Hero last year and I started playing around a bit. Android really seemed to me, that it is pretty nice and you can do a bunch of things with it. I then tried some Android things on my Tytn II and was pretty happy with playing around with it. My first Android experience was with the G1. But I really didn't like it back then.
Currently I use the iPhone I repaired for a friend (just some minor testing because I don't like it) and I must say, that I am already pretty accustomed to the touchscreen keyboard (like everyone knows, the touchscreen keyboards on Tytn II are crap) (and the iPhone sucks... did I mention that?). But, I always wanted a hardware keyboard again. The only good device currently is the Moto Droid. But it already lacks due to the processor and not natively having Android 2.1. So I looked around a bit and found the Nexus One. Would be pretty cool, but it's still not yet available in germany. So I waited. Then the MWC. HTC Desire. Now this is what I want and this is what I will get. Already pre-ordered and hopefully it will hit the market soon. Can't wait for it.
This will be my first Android device, but I look forward to a bright future with it I already like the customizability of it and of course the big screen and everything else. Despite the little things.
Well google, you lost a customer because of your inability to provide a new product to the whole world at the same time. Perhaps I'll think about it in 2 years
Balrog82 said:
Well google, you lost a customer because of your inability to provide a new product to the whole world at the same time. Perhaps I'll think about it in 2 years
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I would say that anything with android on it would still be considered a google phone since google came up with android in the first place. They get a customer either way
However, I have no idea how they make money out of this since it is open source. Maybe they are like huge donators to a charity for all us techno geeks, just to make life more pleasant for us.
Just wanted to say I recently traded my tp2 for 200$ plus a G1, and I couldn't have been happier. The G1 is GREAT. It's not rooted yet, but I already like the experience more then the Tp2 with sense.
Im going to be trading the G1 for a Magic soon, and I will get sense on that. Im sure I will enjoy it even more then.
I liked winmo 6.5. But 7 looks like garbage to me. So I jumped ship from a dieing platform, and I suggest others to do so aswell. Android is great.
plz delete!
im since 2 years an windows mobile user .. it all started with my lg ks20 .. i also have been just playin around with the diamond...
i think compared to android winmo is just the better OS, because of so many apps ... when i need a windows mobile app for making my mobile an touchpad , i just type on google.com "touchpad wm6.5" ... and there are successfull hits...
so why android ? the hd2 has:
- a bigger screen (i think 4,3 " is my limit, otherwise it would be too big for my pocket ... so i dont think that i´ll get the hd3)
- faster processor
- more apps (but spread in the www)
- capability in porting other ROMs on it (since many years)
also i think, that windows mobile 7 looks just disgusting... its not "windows" anymore ... the weird (and really too simple) interface, just like with any self made OS from other devices ....
when i see the windows mobile home screen interface, i want 20 ways to open a program , otherwise it isnt windows.... this is the thing, why i prefer windows mobile... its complicated, but when you read the manual, its easy ... and its expandable (other apps and so on)...
Hope the HD2 will arrive in 2 weeks ... i think i will be pretty happy with it...
Greetz
sallal
sallal said:
im since 2 years an windows mobile user .. it all started with my lg ks20 .. i also have been just playin around with the diamond...
i think compared to android winmo is just the better OS, because of so many apps ... when i need a windows mobile app for making my mobile an touchpad , i just type on google.com "touchpad wm6.5" ... and there are successfull hits...
so why android ? the hd2 has:
- a bigger screen (i think 4,3 " is my limit, otherwise it would be too big for my pocket ... so i dont think that i´ll get the hd3)
- faster processor
- more apps (but spread in the www)
- capability in porting other ROMs on it (since many years)
also i think, that windows mobile 7 looks just disgusting... its not "windows" anymore ... the weird (and really too simple) interface, just like with any self made OS from other devices ....
when i see the windows mobile home screen interface, i want 20 ways to open a program , otherwise it isnt windows.... this is the thing, why i prefer windows mobile... its complicated, but when you read the manual, its easy ... and its expandable (other apps and so on)...
Hope the HD2 will arrive in 2 weeks ... i think i will be pretty happy with it...
Greetz
sallal
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Your reasons why the HD2 (with WM 6.5) is better than Android:
1. Yes, it has a 4.3 inch screen, and currently there is no Android device that has such a huge screen. I myself find the screen beautiful, but would not mind using a slightly smaller screen. The HTC HD2 can be hard to use sometimes, because of that massive screen.
2. The 1 GHz processor is fast indeed, but the Nexus One and HTC Desire both have a 1 GHz processor as well. Since most people here are talking about the HTC Desire, this point makes no sense. Both have a 1 GHz processor.
3. Android Market = 20.000 apps and growing, fast. WM Marketplace = biggest Smartphone Application Store failure ever. Seriously.
And yes, there may be many 'apps' on the internet that you can use on the HTC HD2. But really, of what quality are they? First of all, they are random spread on the internet, so very hard to find. Secondly, they are made for Windows Mobile in GENERAL, or if you are lucky for Windows Mobile 6.5. But then again, it could be made for another device, with a 3.5 inch screen, which means it will not be optimized for the HTC HD2.
So what I am trying to say is: the HTC HD2 lacks good apps. Android Market on the other hand offers many applications, which are easy to find and install & usually better quality.
4. I think that you can use custom ROMs on Android devices as well, but I am no expert in that area.
So my vision is still, HTC Desire > HTC HD2
XDA mark said:
4. I think that you can use custom ROMs on Android devices as well, but I am no expert in that area.
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Android, unlike win mo, is an open source operating system so the scope for new roms, new featurs etc is better than Windows Mobile.
Check G1 Android Development or Nexus One Android Development to see the vast amount of roms avaliable.
sallal said:
im since 2 years an windows mobile user .. it all started with my lg ks20 .. i also have been just playin around with the diamond...
i think compared to android winmo is just the better OS, because of so many apps ... when i need a windows mobile app for making my mobile an touchpad , i just type on google.com "touchpad wm6.5" ... and there are successfull hits...
so why android ? the hd2 has:
- a bigger screen (i think 4,3 " is my limit, otherwise it would be too big for my pocket ... so i dont think that i´ll get the hd3)
- faster processor
- more apps (but spread in the www)
- capability in porting other ROMs on it (since many years)
also i think, that windows mobile 7 looks just disgusting... its not "windows" anymore ... the weird (and really too simple) interface, just like with any self made OS from other devices ....
when i see the windows mobile home screen interface, i want 20 ways to open a program , otherwise it isnt windows.... this is the thing, why i prefer windows mobile... its complicated, but when you read the manual, its easy ... and its expandable (other apps and so on)...
Hope the HD2 will arrive in 2 weeks ... i think i will be pretty happy with it...
Greetz
sallal
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Sorry mate but I think a mega fail on your part, you just bought a device that can only run at this stage on a dying OS that will be unsupported shortly. No new fancy apps or games..... And technically you are not a convert, so why you posting?
I will be switching to the desire after having my blackstone for a year. I hate win-mo. No matter which version (6.1 -too old, 6.5 - still ugly and looks the same as 6.1, or 6.5.x which looks slightly better but that's it) I always try and improve things. That's the prob I find, it doesn't do what most people want it to do straight out of the box. You have to apply a zillion reg fixes, patches, work arounds all to get something android does straight out of the box..... Can't wait!!!! been fiddling with android on my blackstone and it rules, so pretty and logical
For reference on the switching to Android from WM thing, I bought an n1 a month or so ago, with great hesitation, and came from a TP2. I've been an avid WM guy for about 2 years, mostly due to being amazed at eeeeverything you could do.
The just works thing is the best answer. But it's also more of a black box, yet more customizable. linux is no registry having windows system. however, sense on android makes wm touchflo rediculous. The home system is completely different but similar thinking. The Android homescreen with sense is seven screens, customizable completely and easily with either shortcuts or widgets, smaller tiny always on versions of programs that you choose. htc designed a widget to replace each pane on the WM version, for example text email weather etc.
But there is a big similarity. The weather clock, the dialer, the keyboard, and mostly the weather widget, is exactly, down to color and design, the same. And so when converting to Android, if you liked htc, the desire will be instantly usable.
For more info you can search my thread in the TP2 forum. By the way I am dying to have an Android phone released like the TP2, except more 2010: very thin, wider screen, good speakerphone nice keyboard. I'ld buy that droid in a heartbeat if it was gsm, b ut i hate the keyboard. thats the idea though, or like the toshiba g1 w/ the qwerty version.
If we have andriod rom ,i will never use WM!
I wanna by an andriod,but ,but ich habe nicht geld.
wm is so damn bad!it will be less and less software to support it,just like palm.
not so sure about it
have you tried android that you can speak so ?
i asure you i DID tried android, and the phone ended up with my wife, as android is still in its baby shoes. toooooo many things to work out to be user more friendly.
the same thing as difference between windows and linux os. i am not saying linux is bad, it is not just for masses. not user friendly, and very small ammount of software (still !) after more than 15 years developing look where windows came, and where linux is ?
i am not saying androind is bad, it is just not developed enough, and it will take long time to reach this level that WM has.
vicai said:
have you tried android that you can speak so ?
i asure you i DID tried android, and the phone ended up with my wife, as android is still in its baby shoes. toooooo many things to work out to be user more friendly.
the same thing as difference between windows and linux os. i am not saying linux is bad, it is not just for masses. not user friendly, and very small ammount of software (still !) after more than 15 years developing look where windows came, and where linux is ?
i am not saying androind is bad, it is just not developed enough, and it will take long time to reach this level that WM has.
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actually all works beside camera..but the devs are working hard...i use android 2.1 a lot...i use windows mobile only to boot android
try a new bulid with new rootfs and zImage and all will be fast
Why did you buy a WM device at all then?
ElCondor said:
Why did you buy a WM device at all then?
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i bought a wm device because is nice having wm...i can do what i want...for example i can boot android,rhobuntu and because i love the diamond...
vicai said:
have you tried android that you can speak so ?
i asure you i DID tried android, and the phone ended up with my wife, as android is still in its baby shoes. toooooo many things to work out to be user more friendly.
the same thing as difference between windows and linux os. i am not saying linux is bad, it is not just for masses. not user friendly, and very small ammount of software (still !) after more than 15 years developing look where windows came, and where linux is ?
i am not saying androind is bad, it is just not developed enough, and it will take long time to reach this level that WM has.
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well i'm pretty sure you never worked on/with a linux....try ubuntu and you'll never come back to windows (except for some professional applications like 3ds max/autocad).....and for android....even it is younger it kicks wm's ass,totally
farukb said:
well i'm pretty sure you never worked on/with a linux....try ubuntu and you'll never come back to windows (except for some professional applications like 3ds max/autocad).....and for android....even it is younger it kicks wm's ass,totally
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exactly my opinion...
farukb said:
well i'm pretty sure you never worked on/with a linux....try ubuntu and you'll never come back to windows (except for some professional applications like 3ds max/autocad).....and for android....even it is younger it kicks wm's ass,totally
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yes, you read my life history! exactly you know what i have done.
so i guess over a year with ubuntu, kubuntu or many other distros is not enough. or maybe unable to make no name scanner work in the office with linux os is not enough .. nooo, must be the smart card reader and el. payment software not working on linux are considering as prof applications
i am talking about basic office use. nothing else. but more the next-next-next-finish use.
for example, make vpn connection with mschap, and header comperssion on windows. it IS next next next finish, on linux ? you have to add 3 modules, and compile the kernel (YES on ubuntu!) .. is THAT user friendly? and that is professional usage ?
you missed my point, i am not saying it is bad, just VERY slowly developing! and on windows everything much easier to do.
but then again, we are not talking about linux and windows, it is wm and android, yes simmilar, but then, why dont you get android phone, and not force it on diamond, someone nicely said "everything is working except .. " yes, kicking ass full time
for me is working good...i hardly ever use camera..and i find a lot easier doing thing in android..
I agree, WM is much more user friendly than Android as of current situation. I know Android is good looking than windows but at some places even I have experienced that it could do much better. I guess it'll take some time. Even WM wasn't perfect at start... it took time to develop into something so user friendly.
Droid sux big time
I've just tried the HTC Incredible (kind of the better version of Desire). Such a waste to put Android on that great device...
Although fast overall, the interface is sluggish at times and confusing. It was so easy to screw around and get to a totally different page/app that what I wanted. But maybe that's because it takes time to get used to it.
However, the most horrible thing was trying to watch a video on it... even a dumb Youtube video looks awfully pixelated and it was struggling to get what looked like 15-20 fps.
After all, how many of you saw a proper video player written in java?
I powered down my beloved Diamond friend for 2 years three weeks ago and booted up into Android on a brand new Desire.
It reminded me of old times with Nokia 6xxx phones, how responsive and simple to use they were. I gave this up on WinMo and got used to fairly temperamental MS system, with its random delays in answering phone calls or dialing contacts.
But with Android that Nokia responsiveness is back, it just flies as if it was designed in Finland.
When acquiring Desire I was ready to give up on some of the functionality that was readily available on WinMo 6.5 but to my surprise I had to make very few consessions. There is actually quite a lot of new features/capabilities specific to Android, which I found really great.
I use my phone mainly for work, utilize most of the communication features frequently and can confess that Android powered Desire definitively lowered my blood pressure. It is dependable, great workhorse with hopefully bright future.
So concluding this little switch over account I am glad that we have a choice now and that smart phones can be made into well working communicators and wish that Microsoft got the WinMo 7 right, the more competition there is the better for us.
Although knowing Redmond I do not pin my hopes too high eventhough I know from internal sources that they are in a sheer state of panic over the mounting losses in WinMo marketshare.
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i have a diamond, and a want to try the android rom, can you tell me want diamond functions don't work on android? i most use the phone, the gps, the camera, and the pdf, exel reader.
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surfboardcm said:
i have a diamond, and a want to try the android rom, can you tell me want diamond functions don't work on android? i most use the phone, the gps, the camera, and the pdf, exel reader.
thank you...
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if you would like to use camera, dont use android camera is still not working in either of androids...
gps: i found good xdandroid 2.1, but a bit slow
the myns warn donut (1.6) is pretty good, fast, and reliable (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=674358&page=1)
surfboardcm said:
i have a diamond, and a want to try the android rom, can you tell me want diamond functions don't work on android? i most use the phone, the gps, the camera, and the pdf, exel reader.
thank you...
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call works,gps works,camera doesn't work and for pdf and excel i think you have to download something in the market
HELICOPTER88 said:
for me is working good...i hardly ever use camera..and i find a lot easier doing thing in android..
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Which version are you using?? Any link?
Regards
cescof said:
Which version are you using?? Any link?
Regards
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i'm using latest xdandroid bulid you can find it in the raphael android forum
this android version is really fast and great! Will there be a fix for the battery issue any time soon?
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this android version is really fast and great! Will there be a fix for the battery issue any time soon?
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i think yes...i remember when in november i was trying android 1.6...wi-fi wasn't working..the system was slow and the battery last for 1 hour...and now we have all working except from camera and the battery lasts for 12 hour without wi-fi...the devs are doing a marvellous work
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I have no idea why the HTC guys do not make the android for all HTC models, so we could choose which to use. only thing I know is, that god damn Windows sucks not only on my PC it also sucks in my mobile too. I've tried Xandroid but it warms up my processor and nothing works properly, I hope the guys that did hard job will fix all that problems, or I'll buy nokia again. Symbian is much easier to use than that stupid WM
Does anyone know if theres any work getting windows mobile 6.5 onto the new LG WP7 device? I personally cannot stand the new windows mobile solution. Granted it is very fast and has some nifty features, but it screams iPhone to me. Microsoft took its new mobile platform and built it to go head to head with the iphone functionality and Ui, but like the iphone its too locked down for me. I was hoping that there might be a group of individuals that are working to get windows mobile 6.5 onto these new devices. I would love to have all the functionality and freedom 6.5 gives me on hella speedier hardware that is Windows Phone 7. I will say though that the LG;s slide out keyboard feels clunky. The function key is in a horrible spot too.
Sorry bout the rant and getting off topic. Its the last few weeks of the semester and all of my instructors are sadistic in having a whole boatload of essays due at the same time.l Again, sorry bout the /rant.
Please Please Please get wm6.5 to run on the LG Optimus. Please!
Or....you could have bought the HD2
I could have, but I need a physical keyboard. Thats a non negotiable feature.
I have no idea... the answer is probably no, but it sounds like a cool, fun thing Kind of reminds me of trying to run DR. DOS 6 on my brand new, shiny 486DX. And memory extenders to load drivers into the area bove 640k.
Why you ask? IIRC, it was because I wanted to finish some ancient game on 5.25" floppies. Maybe Roger Wilco (SpaceQuest by Sierra) or Hero's Quest.
has it been possible to get any OS on the root of another device???
I'm guessing probably not.
there are still some tp2's floating around and I here they've been overclocked.
There is an LG Fathom that is snapdragon powered with WM6.5.3 and a keyboard, smallish 3.2" screen though, but is at least WVGA res.
http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/verizon-lg-fathom-review
Just FYI
YOu should buy an android phone
adesonic said:
YOu should buy an android phone
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Hahahhahahaaaa.
Get a Touch Pro 2.
There's the LG GW820 on AT&T.
Soo... Been a while. Can someone list the requirements? Can drivers from devices such as the fathom be used if we can install the OS somehow? Where do we stand on that issue?
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Soo... Been a while. Can someone list the requirements? Can drivers from devices such as the fathom be used if we can install the OS somehow? Where do we stand on that issue?
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Our standing point is pretty much check your facts before you buy or you'll get owned like this.
Sir. Haxalot said:
Our standing point is pretty much check your facts before you buy or you'll get owned like this.
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i knew it wasnt possible when i purchased my device. I was looking for further development information, and whether someone with more experience with the devices could tell me if there were any major differences between the hardware of the fathom and the lg wp7 phones. are you informatively telling me there are no similarities and this will never be possible, or are you flaming?
Not Possible, closed.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....