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Hi Tom,
Would it be possible to have a dedicated thread for bugs and bug solutions?
Im sorry, but its hard to expect someone to read through 50+ pages of text to not find an answer that they are looking for, or to not find the solution that they can work with. Or to not get an asnwer to questions.
We all appreciate your work, but bug issues, are really causing alot of us to get frustrated. And all we get told is "read the thread".
I dont agree with thread after thread for bug fixes, and i can see it getting annoying for you and the mods. I also dont expect to be spoon fed.
Please dont see this as im trying to complain. Im trying to improve everyones experiance of the mods everyone creates.
i dont want to discuss the bugs and solutions here, but heres the kind of bugs people seem to be having issues with.
Storage Card 2 issue
MSN issues
Backlight adjuster on HTC hometab not working
Device hanging on boot
Device backlight not switching on
having to soft reset several times a day due to hanging
crashes
Thanks. I hope we can agree on a thread for bug fixes.
I agree, even though i read up on the major rom threads several times a week it's hard to keep track. 4.0 Kept track of most bugs/solutions in the first post but it was even better done by Fracoon in the ROM NewArtemis 1.0 BetaTest thread.
Maybe we need someone to keep track of all bugs and solutions in seperate post or perhaps even wiki, so that the cooks can concentrate on other things. I was thinking of doing this but since i have limited time i just cannot promise i could keep it up.
Ofcourse i mean no disrespect, i understand it's all done in free time and am happy with what i get.
I think the storage card issue is solved in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=326334
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there is also issue with original ringtones (ring vision), says invalid media type. i think when you go to registry tom has it linked to his storage card but windows cant find it
regards
alex
a13x said:
there is also issue with original ringtones (ring vision), says invalid media type. i think when you go to registry tom has it linked to his storage card but windows cant find it
regards
alex
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Maybe thats not the right place for answering questions (because its the bug thread ).
But you can fix the prob with the original ringtone.
Take the original windows ringtone ring-windowsmobile (or some other) from your windows directory, rename it and copy to windows/rings.... this tone will work...
Well if you dont' want to sift through 50+ pages of the original post, you'll soon be creating a 3rd BB4.1 thread when this grows to 50+ pages! Where ever you create a bug thread you'll get a ton of responses and a lot of those will be people who just refuse to read the thread. Everyone will just be rehashing the same thing! Example - htc backlight bug, and "how do i use the cube" queries. They keep getting asked and they've been answered.
Unfortunately one way or another you'll need to sift through posts from people who don't read!
dzign-it said:
Im sorry, but its hard to expect someone to read through 50+ pages of text to not find an answer that they are looking for, or to not find the solution that they can work with. Or to not get an asnwer to questions.
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If you don't want to read / do something, why did you upgrade ?
if all people would read the posts, then this thread maybe wouldn't have 50 pages ? For me your statement sounds like laziness.
Just 2 remember for all here...:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=221545
with this position you just reach things like this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=326066
And what would we all do when there are no more developers here?
Just read and think about....
Hi,
I really hope you can help...
I'm looking for a fast, stable rom for my P3600 (danish version). I don't think that there is any 6.0/6.1 danish rom out there, so an english would be great.
Sooo... please give me some recommandations. I would like to try it out tonight...
/Malke
Please, not another "recommend me a ROM" thread!
malkekoen said:
Hi,
I really hope you can help...
I'm looking for a fast, stable rom for my P3600 (danish version). I don't think that there is any 6.0/6.1 danish rom out there, so an english would be great.
Sooo... please give me some recommandations. I would like to try it out tonight...
/Malke
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...and yet another one of these threads started. Same answer!
tnyynt said:
...and yet another one of these threads started. Same answer!
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Not a very usefull answer. Its understandable, that you as an expert regard this as a stupid question, but I simply havent got the time to read through more than 50 pages of posts - sorry.
On the contrary - a link to a page like this would have been usefull: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385579
I found it, installed it, and it works brilliant! This could have saved me from hours of reading...
malkekoen said:
Not a very usefull answer. Its understandable, that you as an expert regard this as a stupid question, but I simply havent got the time to read through more than 50 pages of posts - sorry.
On the contrary - a link to a page like this would have been usefull: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385579
I found it, installed it, and it works brilliant! This could have saved me from hours of reading...
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...and still you've learnt from it on your own rather than me or someone else giving you a link to what we like.
We all went through almost every ROM till settling for one. Ones were too [email protected]#, others were too $%^ and so on. The point is that liking a ROM is subjective, many users like speed, others like functionality, others the looks, others prefer memory, others prefer lots of apps, others prefer ballance!
Which one of those are you? Can you answer this question without trying at least one ROM from every category I've listed?
People don't answer to threads like yours for two main reasons:
1. there are plenty similar threads started and people get tired of giving same answers to same questions posted by users who are not willing to use the search function to get the info. Hey, it is always easier to just post and ask, huh?
2. ROMs are subjective like the people who make them, like the people using them. We like sweet, others bitter, some love blondes, others redheads, I like fast ROMs, others app packed. Bottom line: free will! Let the user decide for his ROM/chef of his choice. Plus, reading the ROM thread tells you almost everything about bugs, fixes, tweaks, tips, etc.
There's no bad blood in it, it's just we're too tired of answering a question that has been asked so many times and which can't even be answered!
Hope it's clear now!
P.S.: Thanks, but I'm not even 5% close of being an expert, but I search and read alot!
malkekoen said:
Hi,
I really hope you can help...
I'm looking for a fast, stable rom for my P3600 (danish version). I don't think that there is any 6.0/6.1 danish rom out there, so an english would be great.
Sooo... please give me some recommandations. I would like to try it out tonight...
/Malke
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i haven't seen any danish WM6.1 rom either...
there is a quite good english rom: the FInixNover
it is aviable in light and full and with a choise of color in "depresive grey" or "ill green" but it is a good rom
tnyynt said:
...and still you've learnt from it on your own rather than me or someone else giving you a link to what we like.
We all went through almost every ROM till settling for one. Ones were too [email protected]#, others were too $%^ and so on. The point is that liking a ROM is subjective, many users like speed, others like functionality, others the looks, others prefer memory, others prefer lots of apps, others prefer ballance!
Which one of those are you? Can you answer this question without trying at least one ROM from every category I've listed?
People don't answer to threads like yours for two main reasons:
1. there are plenty similar threads started and people get tired of giving same answers to same questions posted by users who are not willing to use the search function to get the info. Hey, it is always easier to just post and ask, huh?
2. ROMs are subjective like the people who make them, like the people using them. We like sweet, others bitter, some love blondes, others redheads, I like fast ROMs, others app packed. Bottom line: free will! Let the user decide for his ROM/chef of his choice. Plus, reading the ROM thread tells you almost everything about bugs, fixes, tweaks, tips, etc.
There's no bad blood in it, it's just we're too tired of answering a question that has been asked so many times and which can't even be answered!
Hope it's clear now!
P.S.: Thanks, but I'm not even 5% close of being an expert, but I search and read alot!
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everybody who came in a forum and need help can have a constructive awnser...
it is true that there is a lot of subject like this one but as he said read 50 page to find an info was very boring...
when i post to find my french rom i was glad to find someone to know where to search in the mess of the forum.
just be nice with noobs because in every noob there is a future senior member lol
...and every month there are new roms, some have new builds, other have just other programs or languages in it ....
so i think it's a good question once in a while. i am lost either...
anyway, here you can find all the roms in a list. (don't know if they're up to date.)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371201
have fun...
ow...and check this before posting ;-)
rl66 said:
everybody who came in a forum and need help can have a constructive awnser...
it is true that there is a lot of subject like this one but as he said read 50 page to find an info was very boring...
when i post to find my french rom i was glad to find someone to know where to search in the mess of the forum.
just be nice with noobs because in every noob there is a future senior member lol
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And maybe it wouldn't be so messy, if there wasn't so many threads created just to ask a question that has already been answered in 10 similar threads. Or threads created to ask a question about and issue of a particular ROM, when it should be asked in the ROM thread....
Many situations contribute to the mess you're refering to...
Even the forum search has been enhanced with google search, directly in the forum's search function, but still, it seems to be easier to many users, to just ask instead of searching.
Sometimes a thread is started with something like this:
"I've searched for this but couldn't find it...."
When this happens, search some more, use different keywords, because 95% of the times, the question has already been answered before.
I'm not flaming anyone with this, and I don't have nothing against noobs, as i consider myself one, but please use search, read and then read some more.
I have been looking through many different ROM's and have settled on Kinokin's wm6 final. I am looking for a wm6.1 ROM now and want CRC's ROM. Unfortunately, it's lacking many of the features that are found in K's ROM(minus the calc, 1-calc is better, and the new battery meter). Can anyone instruct me or help me build a wm6.1 ROM with all the features of K's ROM, but build 19900. Thanks.
You are much better installing the CAB files for the applications you want, and leaving the rest out. You can probably find most of the applications you want by looking around.
It is strange that after so much repeated instructions and calls that "Read Before Posting" Still people are posting without reading or searching.
Hey can you read or just know how to type
beastfellow said:
It is strange that after so much repeated instructions and calls that "Read Before Posting" Still people are posting without reading or searching.
Hey can you read or just know how to type
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It is strange that after repeatedly instructing people to "Read Before Posting" they are still posting without reading or searching.
Yes, we all like english. And it is apparent I am the one that can type. Thanks for adding nothing to this thread except poor grammar.
Thanks for the reply CRC, will be downloading your ROM and going on the hunt for the appropriate cabs then.
Try the MRH ROMs, they are based on CRC but with most of the apps and such you need.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388523
Ahh not another one of these threads
see above
NoNafs said:
It is strange that after repeatedly instructing people to "Read Before Posting" they are still posting without reading or searching.
Yes, we all like english. And it is apparent I am the one that can type. Thanks for adding nothing to this thread except poor grammar.
Thanks for the reply CRC, will be downloading your ROM and going on the hunt for the appropriate cabs then.
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I was writing that way, so that you can understand easily.
Nothing warms my heart like seeing a new thread on a redundant topic.
Numerous "posters" have taken the habit of commenting without showing their signature.
I find this very disturbing as you do not know what they are referring to.
May I please suggest you put everywhere a STICKY reminder?
Keep up your b..... good site, Have a nice day and God Bless.
Mmmmm
Yes! it must be a rule... instead nobody read the rules..... but when we have time to attend those who has problems or opinions, we dont have enough info... maybe if they has it in their signatures, we have less posts unnecesary so it would be great that in login claim for fill these info with obligatory (*), before gain the access to the forum threads... what would you say?
and of course a request for the one who dont have and is new... thanks for read mods.
wait what are you talking about?
do you mean people are not showing their signatures (those little things at the the bottom of each post)? I suppose not showing it could be a problem if they reference it, but is that what you are talking about?
YES
Mr Mikechannon: (Or do I need to say: sorry SR!! but...I think...)
I like you to see some day the upgrade forum for HTC Wizard its full of people that bricks their wizards... why... cause he dont understands what he got on his hands...
For wizard is very important to know wich model to get the proper ROM if dont knows nothing about it...
This info is very usefull not comfort for the ones who answer questions and provides help or support... Never... its a pleasure can helps but then they starts to blame about this kind of thing... I know it doesnt matter but its so sad to read it.
Just read a little that has problems with dead or bricked wizards.
Examples
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2691375&posted=1#post2691375
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427868
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429554
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428497
And so much more...
I know this is a hughe site, or tell us where to post to be able to ask for change the login info and make the user insert his info corectly.
Maybe I imagine this like an utopy but could be amazing have this kind of info by default.
Thanks just for read us GENERAL!!!!!
i see...
the thing is, alot of the problems in some of the other forums are not necessarily rom related, and rom questions could probably be better answered posting in the rom's thread.
despite what some may think, most problems are universal regardless of rom, at least in my experience.
+ Que PPC said:
Mr Mikechannon: (Or do I need to say: sorry SR!! but...I think...)
I like you to see some day the upgrade forum for HTC Wizard its full of people that bricks their wizards... why... cause he dont understands what he got on his hands...
For wizard is very important to know wich model to get the proper ROM if dont knows nothing about it...
This info is very usefull not comfort for the ones who answer questions and provides help or support... Never... its a pleasure can helps but then they starts to blame about this kind of thing... I know it doesnt matter but its so sad to read it.
Just read a little that has problems with dead or bricked wizards.
Examples
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2691375&posted=1#post2691375
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427868
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429554
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428497
And so much more...
I know this is a hughe site, or tell us where to post to be able to ask for change the login info and make the user insert his info corectly.
Maybe I imagine this like an utopy but could be amazing have this kind of info by default.
Thanks just for read us GENERAL!!!!!
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I see your point, but you can't make certain info mandatory for users. Most of the time when users post a "problem with device" type thread, they usually mention which it is. For the Wizard users that don't specify which model, it doesn't mean much except they never knew there were differences from the beginning most likely. Just point out the differences and most will catch on.
Nice try...
Already tried so... i think that we need to make a sticky likely thread saying!!!!
Y'ALL!!! Put your info device on your Signature before post!!!!
Maybe they can read it with hughe words.
I'm very sorry but as good a practice as it is we cannot enforce people to do so, adding a sticky would clutter most forums as most of the time there are already multiple stickies there.
The best you can do is suggest to people to put in their signature or post whenever they feel it's relevant.
Best regards,
Flar
Site admin
MY GOD!
Is SHE FLAR!!!?
Its Like GOD answering our question!!!?
Thanks a lot!!!... Im gona post a Sticky on every topic of Wizards forum, can I do it with hughe Words???? maybe inside of it... instructions to fill the signature with the info We need... thanks God... sorry... Flar...
+ Que PPC said:
Is SHE FLAR!!!?
Its Like GOD answering our question!!!?
Thanks a lot!!!... Im gona post a Sticky on every topic of Wizards forum, can I do it with hughe Words???? maybe inside of it... instructions to fill the signature with the info We need... thanks God... sorry... Flar...
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The Mods have to sticky your thread.
Geez, how nit-picky can you get??
I can understand the frustration of people who ask without searching or reading first. I've completely customized first my mogul, then my diamond.... and by spending far too many hours searching & reading (according to my husband.....)
I can also understand the frustration of newbies poking around in the dev areas.
But this is over the top.
Out of all those hours spent reading & searching, I've never seen a requirement to post a sig. Wouldn't apply to me anyway.... I don't flash ROMs. Personally, I don't pay attention to who is using what rom in their sig. I only pay attention to what links are there.
BTW, I never paid attention to it before, but it appears that the admin & mods don't do it either. So why the beef?
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nursie said:
Geez, how nit-picky can you get??
I can understand the frustration of people who ask without searching or reading first. I've completely customized first my mogul, then my diamond.... and by spending far too many hours searching & reading (according to my husband.....)
I can also understand the frustration of newbies poking around in the dev areas.
But this is over the top.
Out of all those hours spent reading & searching, I've never seen a requirement to post a sig. Wouldn't apply to me anyway.... I don't flash ROMs. Personally, I don't pay attention to who is using what rom in their sig. I only pay attention to what links are there.
BTW, I never paid attention to it before, but it appears that the admin & mods don't do it either. So why the beef?
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Already done...
Please any MOd can make stickie this threads the permisson was gave me by flar. so soryy if its repeated but we need to stops the problem...
Thanks For all Mods and ADMS.
the links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430402
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430397
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430399
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430400
Thanks The ChampJT i forgot to advise to make it stickie-
Nursie I dont know nothing about Mogul but maybe the time you have xpended probably would be less tahn you took but answer without info is hard, and because the web is so hughe, your husband is a knowledge of comun sense, happy to obligate to read and read isnt it?
So this is why i did it, hope some body in every Device that has problems with version and Bricked too do this.
Thanks for all.
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Already done...
Please any MOd can make stickie this threads the permisson was gave me by flar. so soryy if its repeated but we need to stops the problem...
Thanks For all Mods and ADMS.
the links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430402
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430397
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430399
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=430400
Thanks The ChampJT i forgot to advise to make it stickie-
Nursie I dont know nothing about Mogul but maybe the time you have xpended probably would be less tahn you took but answer without info is hard, and because the web is so hughe, your husband is a knowledge of comun sense, happy to obligate to read and read isnt it?
So this is why i did it, hope some body in every Device that has problems with version and Bricked too do this.
Thanks for all.
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I'm not sure Flar was giving permission, I think she was just saying that the best way to pass info to majority of the users is through stickies, but it may not be possible due to forums already being cluttered.
The theory is sound to add info to your sig but as with so many others in this forum I have a pile of previous devices and if I listed them all in my sig with all the relevent data, my sig would be longer than the message!
Plus, it would need changing every time I tried a ROM or added a supplier update/patch, I wonder how many have reflashed a ROM and not remembered to change their sig??
Also for the data to have some meaning you would need to include all software installed (interaction problems) and ever reg edit/Tweak they have added/removed. The list could be endless!
Its much easier for members just to try and remember to add the details in the message body when asking about problems with their device.
HTC Universal
HTC Startrek
HTC Wizard
HTC Hermes
HTC TytynII
HTC Touch Pro
HTC Shift
And still have them all...
I think the problem here is people not knowing how to ask for help. "Won't let me flash a ROM" and "Active Sync doesn't work" do not explain what the issue is. As a follower of Raymond Chen's blog and his war on people to ask the correct questions when requesting email support, there are a few things that should be mentioned in every request for help:
Specify the problem: What is the error, full details, error codes, message dialogs, etc. Or if there is no error, what did you expect to happen, why is something not working as intended.
What did you do: What steps have you followed to get to the problem (how to re-created it). And what steps have you taken to rectify the issue your self.
What is your environment: What phone are you using, what version of the software are you using, ROM version, radio / SPL / IPL, Windows version. Some of these are not applicable, but anything relevant should be listed. List other software you think could be contra-indicating.
This list is by no means exhaustive and of course, the standard Forum Rules on searching, duplicate posting, etc. should be followed. With this information, most people should have a clear idea of the issue and can offer the best help they can without having a long dicussion on all of the above points.
I take my hat off to the members that can answer questions without this information, they have amazing guess work.
Thanks
Dave
YES!!!
Everyone has good ideas, so forgive me for missunderstood the Flars answer... do what ever to help people efficiently.
Its our dont pay job.
But Im proud of it... yes getting all the info for you devices will be hard to put in 500 characters so... ask everytime.
i will edit the thread about the permission.
Hello,
first thanks for this great place! I would have smashed my Touch HD if xda wouldnt exist
I have a suggestion regarding the ROM forums and threads:
As the cookers and chefs are mostly to busy to gather information from the thread and put them in the first(second...) post, it would be really nice if a threadstarter or moderator could assign a normal user as an "thread-specific" moderator (for only the first three posts for example). So volunteers, people very interested in this ROM, could maintain a buglist, tips and hints, fixes and other helpful stuff from the thousand and more pages and make the life for everybody easier.
Its sometimes really hard to find information in the thousand pages. I think a solution like this would help everybody and reduce the senseless spam questions in the ROM forums. All 1-2 pages new users ask the same as people before, and all are getting the answer "Read through the thread, its mentioned 10 pages before" for example.
Whats your opinion about this?
7Bit said:
Hello,
first thanks for this great place! I would have smashed my Touch HD if xda wouldnt exist
I have a suggestion regarding the ROM forums and threads:
As the cookers and chefs are mostly to busy to gather information from the thread and put them in the first(second...) post, it would be really nice if a threadstarter or moderator could assign a normal user as an "thread-specific" moderator (for only the first three posts for example). So volunteers, people very interested in this ROM, could maintain a buglist, tips and hints, fixes and other helpful stuff from the thousand and more pages and make the life for everybody easier.
Its sometimes really hard to find information in the thousand pages. I think a solution like this would help everybody and reduce the senseless spam questions in the ROM forums. All 1-2 pages new users ask the same as people before, and all are getting the answer "Read through the thread, its mentioned 10 pages before" for example.
Whats your opinion about this?
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Hi,
1. I don't think this is possible with the standard vB software. And I know the webmasters are adversed to applying "patches" unless they really help.
2. There is a problem of trust. Moderators are selected on here to be trustworthy, not to carry out malicious activities and to always be fair. I've seen plenty of people on here become friends and then enimies as quick as they can. Giving many users complete control over a single thread could become problematic. If you're just speaking about allowing users to edit another users thread. I can't see that been too risky - but still Impractical with the forum software.
An alternative, If the ROM cook would like someone to help manage the thread, they should arange before hand to let someone bag a few posts on the thread when it's first started (I know its not practical to existing threads). Moderators can help add posts when needed and remove any
pesky "First" messages someone might inject in the way .
Just my thoughts
Ta
Dave
Yes you are absolutly right, good idea
It would be enough if the moderators could move a post of the "Useful thread stuff Collecter / Maintainer" at the second or third position of an existing ROM thread, or if the creator already plans it when creating the thread. That would be exact the same without editing the board software or applying hacks...
7Bit said:
Yes you are absolutly right, good idea
It would be enough if the moderators could move a post of the "Useful thread stuff Collecter / Maintainer" at the second or third position of an existing ROM thread, or if the creator already plans it when creating the thread. That would be exact the same without editing the board software or applying hacks...
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Well if it's not possible to arrange this beforehand by timing a the time of thread creation, you could indeed ask on of the mods to help you out there. Don't look at me yet though, haven't figured that one out yet