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Your opinion about Windows Phone 7 UI!

Hi All,
It's all great to hear Microsoft officially announces the "Windows Phone 7 Series". Another Mobile OS, put there to compete with other OS's.
But I want to know one thing =>
Am I the only one that find the general UI of "Windows Phone 7" unattractive, "nothing special" and bore-some?
The moment I saw the "Start screen", I said to myself: "Damn, is this the UI Microsoft wanna use to show its competitiveness to other OS's??? ". From my point of view, the look of winmo 6.5.3 on the freshly announced HTC HD mini is WAY BETTER than that of Windows Phone 7.
This is just my opinion, now, what's your opinion about the UI?

johnlujl123 said:
Hi All,
It's all great to hear Microsoft officially announces the "Windows Phone 7 Series". Another Mobile OS, put there to compete with other OS's.
But I want to know one thing =>
Am I the only one that find the general UI of "Windows Phone 7" unattractive, "nothing special" and bore-some?
The moment I saw the "Start screen", I said to myself: "Damn, is this the UI Microsoft wanna use to show its competitiveness to other OS's??? ". From my point of view, the look of winmo 6.5.3 on the freshly announced HTC HD mini is WAY BETTER than that of Windows Phone 7.
This is just my opinion, now, what's your opinion about the UI?
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I would disagree. I like the visuals. On the contrary, the look is NEW and NOT FAST!!

Everyone has there opinions and taste. I honestly love what MS has done with the revisions. I think visuals are truly innovative and elegant. The animations are uncanny. I do agree the home screen is dull and boring, but the rest of the OS is vibrant. Here's some screen shots from my post. Head over to my post to see the rest, there's like 20 more photos...: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634429
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"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
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I do like it as well...looks fresh but whether it is good to use on a daily basis remains to be prooven!
And BTW: the look of the new SenseUI Builds really annoys me! til Version 2.1 everything was fine...but the new ones??? No way.

I won't talk about looks here, because that's personal taste.
Moreover, what counts is functionality - how easy and fast it gets the job done.
This is easily and by far the best and most well thought through UI I've ever seen.
I particularly like
- the ability to pin pretty much everything to the first page (but unlike Sense, as many things as you want), whether it's contacts, programs or whatever
- the things you pin to the first page not being static, but also showing information - a very clever way to bring together the iPhone's icon-based home screen with Windows Mobile's information based home screen.
- the navigation through the pages, with the text on top going out of the screen to show you that there's more you can discover by swiping left/right
- the panorama backgrounds on all the screens (cover arts in music, a random picture in photos etc.)
- the ability for third party developers to integrate their stuff (like additional social networks or streaming services) into the hubs (I hope there will be a lot of freedom for third parties to do so!).
- the seamless integration of all kinds of services in general, whether it's Exchange, Windows Live (finally!!), Facebook...
I also particularly like that some good concepts from previous Windows Mobile versions have been preserved:
- long press menus
- softkeys
- quick search through any list (in WM6.5, it was the keyboard icon, now it's the required search button)
Those enable a consistent UI throughout all applications, contrary to the mess you find on the iPhone, where important buttons like "back" are in different places depending on the application you're in.
What I do NOT like:
- The all applications list: That should be a grid, cause there's lots of wasted space there.
- There seems to be no easy way to get to the music controls while music is playing in the background.
- Apparently there is no easy way to switch between running applications, this seems to work much like WM6.5, with the back button taking you to the application you used before. This is a mess, the back button should open some kind of task switcher instead.

I love the new start menu in Windows Phone 7. Titanium didn't display enough information on the home page, requiring you to hover over items to see information. Windows Mobile 6.1 today screens were too small to tap. Sense is either functional (icons for quick launching) or informational (clock), but never both at the same time. Why doesn't the launch icon for Messenger show me the latest messages I have? Why don't my contacts' icons show me the latest interaction I had with them?
Windows Phone 7 adds all of those in a simple, attractive UI. You can give a Windows Phone 7 to any person and they'd probably be able to use it, but give Sense to a person and they might not. (you might think the contrary... I thought Sense was easy to use, until I saw my peers struggle with it and typing on the keyboard... on a HD2...)

Agree with you all!
Yes, you guys are right! Looks are personal taste!
But right now, which OS would you choose, out of the following: Windows Phone 7, WebOS or Android?? My choice goes to Android!

freyberry said:
What I do NOT like:
- The all applications list: That should be a grid, cause there's lots of wasted space there.
- There seems to be no easy way to get to the music controls while music is playing in the background.
- Apparently there is no easy way to switch between running applications, this seems to work much like WM6.5, with the back button taking you to the application you used before. This is a mess, the back button should open some kind of task switcher instead.
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I'm not sure how important the applications list is going to be going forward. With the way apps can integrate into the "hubs" I think you will not be using this list very often.
I'm hoping the music controls function like the ZuneHD. The ZuneHD has a dedicated media control button that brings up a screen overlay when pressed. This overlay allows you to pause/play, skip/fast forward/rewind and increase/decrease volume. Also, on the ZuneHD, you can pause and play a song by tapping the album art.
I am very eager to see how the multitasking works/doesn't work when they show the SDK at MIX next month.
Overall, I love the UI. It seems like an evolution of the ZuneHD to me.

johnlujl123 said:
Yes, you guys are right! Looks are personal taste!
But right now, which OS would you choose, out of the following: Windows Phone 7, WebOS or Android?? My choice goes to Android!
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Android, of course. WP7 is OS for feature phones (dumbphones) just like iPhone OS is.

johnlujl123 said:
Yes, you guys are right! Looks are personal taste!
But right now, which OS would you choose, out of the following: Windows Phone 7, WebOS or Android?? My choice goes to Android!
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Android

I actually have three upgrade eligibilities this year. If the rumor about the SE X10 coming to ATT is true, that will be one of them. I will also wait and see what Android phones HTC sends to ATT.
I will also, without any doubt, reserve one of the upgrades for WMP7. I had very low expectations for MS and WMP7 but I was very impressed with what they showed on Monday. I can't wait for MIX to see the rest.
Of course, I'm a phone whore so I am never completely satisfied anyway!

In my opinion I think the UI looks awesome. It's unique, fresh, new, & looks like nothing else (excluding the Zune HD). the start menu & the App list look a little bit dull but the whole Hubs system just looks wonderful. I like the new idea of the context menus. WinPho 7 is not evolution from the previous WM, it is Revolution.

From a UI perspective I really like the thought behind it. It's pretty much a directory structure that's self organizing with a 'splash' screen for each directory. I have alot of applications stored on my wm device that I store over various folders. Directories are a good way of organizing sizable amounts of information. This UI is basically an improvement to that age old structure, putting some transparency on this structured yet intuitive setup.
It's visually impressive, yet does not have that bells and whistle feel that can get stale.
But I take objection to their comments that a phone is not a PC. That's the wrong message to send. A PC just stands for personal computer...you can't get more PC than a handheld device. It's clearly a PC, the message they should send is that it's not a desktop, it's not a laptop, it's a handheld device. While still a PC you expect a suitable UI to pair with each version of a PC you interact with.
From a marketing perspective, I think the windows phone 7 would mesh well with their 'I'm a PC' marketing campaign. A commercial seeing someone working on a desktop/laptop and then using mobile office, and exchange to take that to your phone would be a great commercial to make.
Microsoft is missing the picture with that overly simplistic comment.
If I could carry the power of my desktop with me, I would just need different display devices with the appropriate UI to interact with my PC. That's really the destiny of computers...well not even to carry the hardware, but to just have different methods of display and interaction with a single device. So you can sit down at a kb and mouse, or pick a up a multitouch display, or take a handheld on a train with you but still have common storage, and processing.

Great UI.
But I am not happy that it requires a minimum of 1GHz processor. Even then the graphics rendering especially the Album scrolling is not very fluid. That was very cleary observed in Joe's Demo considering that he hand only a handhul of pictures. My iphone has @3500 pictures and I can scroll through it like water flowing across the screen.

This version of WP7 is not my favorite. I like the other betas.

chiks19018 said:
Great UI.
But I am not happy that it requires a minimum of 1GHz processor. Even then the graphics rendering especially the Album scrolling is not very fluid. That was very cleary observed in Joe's Demo considering that he hand only a handhul of pictures. My iphone has @3500 pictures and I can scroll through it like water flowing across the screen.
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And this was a demo of pre-release software. I wouldn't put any weight behind the peformance that was shown in the demo. It will almost certainly be much improved before the RTM.

naplesbill said:
And this was a demo of pre-release software. I wouldn't put any weight behind the peformance that was shown in the demo. It will almost certainly be much improved before the RTM.
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I definitely hope that is the case. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Rim1Flex said:
This version of WP7 is not my favorite. I like the other betas.
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How about "accidentally" uploading one for the HD2?

freyberry said:
How about "accidentally" uploading one for the HD2?
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It won't work it needs 2GHz processor. You will have to overclock,haha just kidding.

My biggest concern with this new OS is the "need" to integrate with social networks. I'm by no means interested to see the status messages my friends/collegues post on facebook, twitter, linkedin, myspace etc. Also, WM7 is pointing towarsds xbox live integration, which will -as I understood- in basics also be used as a new "Microsoft hardware only" social network.
Another thing that bothers me about the new UI is that it looks slowish, even in a demo.. Doesn't look too appealing yet so far!

[SENSE][WM][WIN] Manila & Windows Mobile Developer Interest Poll?

I'm trying to gauge interest in developing manila/sense tabs, I'm looking for:
1. people interested in working on the facebook tab
2. people who want to make other tabs
3. people who are app developers who want to tie into tabs
4. we also need some people comfortable doing window apps
(I think we need help getting started with the Manila Kitchen GUI tools - currently command-line). There is plenty of guys who have worked on the tools and know tons about manila, just need a framework in which to tie into.
Please state if you are expert or beginner or willing to learn.
I think in most areas, support can be given to most to get them started (even if it's not your area of expertise) and will probably prove a good learning experience.
Now, just need to work out how to make this a poll...
OK, you can select more than one option at time:
- Expert can be considered Expert/Intermediate skill, i.e. you've made something and it works quite well.
- Beginner would be someone who has done small tweeks or done simple programs.
Ahh, forgot window app developers, in this case, register your interest (if you are), in the TouchFLO/Manila/SenseUI social group (a great bunch of guys who helped me from knowing nothing about sense):
Project: Manila GUI Kitchen Environment.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/group.php?do=discuss&group=&discussionid=223

Links are not working for me :/

I'd be interested in working on a Phone tab. something that included not only a call history, but some dynamic icons that showed (at the very least):
Missed calls.
Voice mail.
SMS/MMS
Email
It's amazing to me that this was on earlier versions of Manila/TF3D but isn't on the newer versions. This entire concept was supposed to be designed for a pda/PHONE converged device, but the phone side of it has been weakened on every upgrade.

AdamiX said:
Links are not working for me :/
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I'll ask the group admin about it, perhaps you have to join as a member first...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/group.php?groupid=131
Trident said:
I'd be interested in working on a Phone tab.
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I can point you in the right direction if you need it, my method for working with manila at the moment, is decompile everything and then use a good search tool to find the kind of code I need. Seems to work quite well and you can find some interesting functions/features, I've also found using the registry is quite handy for experimenting since you can test out calling different apps with different arguments and also jumps to sense pages (which are internal URLs). Also it can give you a view of values which are being used internally.
So far getting interesting results on the poll!
Looks like a good mix of people which is great!
1. Those interested in taking the facebook tab further, I'm just working on a few bits at the moment for it (trying to tie in the last bits of HTC function), but will happily pass it on when people want me to. [I released it much sooner than I planned, but felt mean waiting any longer]
2. Those interested in learning about manila then have a look through my tutorials and that will hopefully get you started (I was a total beginner too when I started them). Please let me know if there are bits missing or bits which don't make sense etc, it's aimed at people who have done a little programming or at least get the general idea. If it's not clear enough then an entry level tutorial would be welcome (I've avoided too much click here, type this type detail because there is too much to explain in one go).
(leave feedback on the tutorial thread)
3. Those interested in developing manila and wm apps for using tabs, I'm hoping to build a "Custom Manila Interface Tab" which will ultimately provide an API type interface for apps. Will probably need a lot of work, so once I've done a basic proof of the concept, which will be very simple and populated via registry keys (i.e. simple list display which can be populated via a normal app) I will then open it up for group development.
4. Those interested in WM app development, hopefully with the new tab it will be easy to get started with some basic ideas and try them out. As the new tab (or it can be used as a sub-page) develops we will need to know what kinds of things we want to display.
i.e. for the facebook tab I can see this being used as a simple way for a external app to list notifications, comments and all kinds of information.
5. Windows application development, let me know if you can get on the group, I really hope that once given a framework a GUI can be put together. The mode9Editor is an excellent example (I think the author is on the group) and the CMD line kitchen is another amazing tool which brought together all the other fantastic tools (again I think most the original authors are there). Given a good start with a solid base, the GUI could become a very powerful tool!
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Developing wm is much easier than working with the manila files, and even HTC tend to tie into dlls/exes quite often to do the leg work, but it doesn't appear to be consistent (each module does things slightly differently) so a direct API would be a massive task. So hopefully an interface tab will bridge the gap, it'll probably provide a good point of reference for useful manila functions too. With the addition of a good GUI editor, I'll look forward to having fun making some really amazing apps (no not a fart selector app...).

Great thread meltwater, you may end up being the driving force of a whole new Manila experience

smeddy said:
Great thread meltwater, you may end up being the driving force of a whole new Manila experience
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No, the guys before me have been that (would have been no hope without the tools), but hopefully we've got some interesting ideas on the table!

Excellent results on the poll.
Here is an update of what's currently happening:
1. Facebook Tab
I'm currently continuing development on the tab myself, since it is still providing me with useful knowledge on working with manila. It serves as a good driving force for me to try out more stuff.
[MOD][SENSE2.5TAB] Basic Facebook Tab - Developer Thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=663494
2. Custom Manila Interface Tab
I should be able to start work on this once I've learnt enough from doing the changes on the facebook tab. Currently my understanding of manila isn't quite good enough to tackle this yet, it's a big job particularly when the manila code isn't that easy to work with when there is no api.
The concept here is to make a basic tab where the content can be defined by a normal windows mobile app. This should allow many more tabs to be created, without specialist knowledge of manila code.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
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Something similar to this, but populated by an external app.
3. Manila/Sense Kitchen GUI
The group still needs someone to help kick off the project with some help in building the basic framework for the application. I really hope that this can be achieved, moving the whole process into a graphical app will really help with dealing with the difficult editing of the manila files particularly when defining the graphical components.
Please feel free to give feedback on what you think about my plans. Also if you want to get started on some simple(ish) stuff, there's bits in my tutorials etc.
Ok, trying to get a working development environment for windows mobile, is quite difficult if you don't have a full copy of Visual Studio. For now I will use a trial version, but after I'll post/link to tutorials on how to do it without Visual Studio and some initial steps for Windows Mobile development.
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/mobile/WiMoSansVS.aspx Is a good starting point...

Hi everyone,
Thanks for filling in the poll. There are plenty on here who would like to know how to get started etc with manila, windows mobile development etc.
Short of writing a "how to" which covers everything, which I don't have time to do at the moment, what do people need/want to know to get them started???
This thread can be a simple Q&A section if people need help with the initial steps...

I would love to help but I have too much going on for now :/

This thread may not get noticed but since I started it to talk about and get developer interests I will post here anyway.
Since I've released the latest version of the facebook tab I have started work on my 2nd Tab Project. (Still developing the facebook tab v2.0 too).
The new tab will work along the same lines as Custom Manila Interface Tab concept but for now I have a specific application in mind. Hopefully we can keep this one open and the basis of the tab can be extended and reused to form other tabs working on the same principles.
So what do I need?
Well I have the very basics of the tab working, so I need some windows mobile developers to assist with creating a supporting app which will feed the data to the tab. They will need to handle xml data and potentially HTTP GET requests (I guess), we can go as fast or as slow with it depending on the developer(s) (I've got some ideas on how to start off slowly just like I did with the facebook tab, so beginners would be able to do it, they just need time and willingness to learn). I might start writing it myself but my time is limited and it would be nice to have this tab open to everyone (unfortunately I get too attached to my code/ideas when I've been working on them too long so want to avoid getting in too deep with that part - that is what happened with the FbTab).
What is it?
Not quite ready to announce what the tab will be but I've carefully chosen a good project.
What now?
PM or post here and I'll get back to you.
I'm not sure yet how this will work, but probably create a google code project so that anyone can contribute. Will create a developer thread for the project and once things are up and running a release thread to handle the releases/support etc.
Ideally, this project will be open as possible and allow new developers to have a go. There is plenty which can be done, by all ranges of skill levels. It would be excellent to have a wiki attached to the project which explains how it is put together etc, would be great to provide a stepping stone for future developers to get working with windows mobile and sense.
Also need suggestions on where to host the project, GoogleCode, CodePlex etc require change management software which I'd like to avoid. Perhaps something like 4shared maybe or dropbox?

wow
wow very good.

New to Winmo developement, but willing to seriously learn
meltwater,
I am new to the Winmo developement, but am taking it up in a serious manner. I am willing to take on new tasks with some support. I have the full version of Visual Studio 2010 and can allocate alot of time currently to any projects that you are looking for. Again, I would need to have some support, or be pointed in the right direction, but am very willing to assist. I will do what research I can and ramp up to begin as soon as possible.
One note..I am currently enrolled in school for programming, part of the cloud of programmers that work with Microsoft through VS 2010, and am working to become more proficiant with the WinMo SDK.
Can I help?

Mxdadevolper said:
meltwater,
I am new to the Winmo developement, but am taking it up in a serious manner. I am willing to take on new tasks with some support. I have the full version of Visual Studio 2010 and can allocate alot of time currently to any projects that you are looking for. Again, I would need to have some support, or be pointed in the right direction, but am very willing to assist. I will do what research I can and ramp up to begin as soon as possible.
One note..I am currently enrolled in school for programming, part of the cloud of programmers that work with Microsoft through VS 2010, and am working to become more proficiant with the WinMo SDK.
Can I help?
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That sounds perfect, just the sort of thing I'm after.
I'm no where near being expert anyway, as I've mentioned a few times, the facebook tab is my 2nd windows mobile app, the 1st being "hello worlde", however I've learned tons doing it and I think it's not too bad (a lot of it is still unreleased). I have a long background in embedded software though.
One thing, visual studio 2010 is no good for windows mobile development, it only supports windows phone 7 not windows mobile (MS killing WM dev much?). Fortunately you might be able to get a FREE student licence via MS Dreamspark, although sounds like they might be able to provide what you need. The work I am doing is in C#.
I put together a little of the support code for the tab last night and the concept appears to work fine. I'll start up a project thread soon, still trying to work out what is the best place to hold/manage the code, want to avoid change management systems:
I don't want to install extra software to handle it
It creates an extra barrier to people having a try
This means codeplex, sourceforge and gogglecode aren't suitable. At the moment 4shared seems like a good choice (simple online storage area) or DropBox which I also use (which could be easiest).
Opened up the developer thread, project details will come soon.

meltwater said:
That sounds perfect, just the sort of thing I'm after.
I'm no where near being expert anyway, as I've mentioned a few times, the facebook tab is my 2nd windows mobile app, the 1st being "hello worlde", however I've learned tons doing it and I think it's not too bad (a lot of it is still unreleased). I have a long background in embedded software though.
One thing, visual studio 2010 is no good for windows mobile development, it only supports windows phone 7 not windows mobile (MS killing WM dev much?). Fortunately you might be able to get a FREE student licence via MS Dreamspark, although sounds like they might be able to provide what you need. The work I am doing is in C#.
I put together a little of the support code for the tab last night and the concept appears to work fine. I'll start up a project thread soon, still trying to work out what is the best place to hold/manage the code, want to avoid change management systems:
I don't want to install extra software to handle it
It creates an extra barrier to people having a try
This means codeplex, sourceforge and gogglecode aren't suitable. At the moment 4shared seems like a good choice (simple online storage area) or DropBox which I also use (which could be easiest).
Opened up the developer thread, project details will come soon.
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Sounds Great!! I'll be looking for the thread and details. I also have been working in C#, so I think that we'll learn alot together.

Count me in... can supplement SenseSDK if needed!
Ed

eboelzner said:
Count me in... can supplement SenseSDK if needed!
Ed
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Hopefully a lot of the new tab will be within sense itself with a hidden support app to drive it, although later on it will probably use the SDK for configuring and managing things. Although that is only a rough idea at the moment. (will send you some details - will update the dev thread tomorrow and announce the project).
However, the facebook tab v2.0 is attempting to make extensive use of your sense SDK and greenhacks extended controls. I've currently pushed my ability to the limit with the interface though, hopefully when greenhack releases the latest extended controls I can fill in some of the missing holes. Still experimenting with the GUI aspects and possible concepts for how it should work. Will have think about the GUI again, there are a few areas which I've not quite been able to do what I was aiming for, which the Sense SDK might be modded to achieve.
I'm kinda aware though that a lot of the effort to implement the features for the facebook tab v2.0 will already be done by the Xda Facebook app being produced (so eventually we may tie it in to the tab after v2.0). The new project will hopefully help me expand what I can do with sense and allow better integration of apps.

New RSS Tab project is GO GO GO
[MOD][SENSE2.5TAB] RSSTab - Developer Thread
Thread has all the files ready to go, just not sure what people are waiting for...is it that scary?

Really?
meltwater said:
Also need suggestions on where to host the project, GoogleCode, CodePlex etc require change management software which I'd like to avoid. Perhaps something like 4shared maybe or dropbox?
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Why on earth would you want to avoid Source-code Version Control? SVN, GIT, and even CVS are an absolute God-send to any development group. i can see one or two pro's to avoiding it if you're the only developer on the team, but any more than 1 dev contributing code to a project turns it into a nightmare without a SVC ...

phalacee said:
Why on earth would you want to avoid Source-code Version Control? SVN, GIT, and even CVS are an absolute God-send to any development group. i can see one or two pro's to avoiding it if you're the only developer on the team, but any more than 1 dev contributing code to a project turns it into a nightmare without a SVC ...
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Well can't that be handled by a decent web-based on which does it on the server side?
I know you are totally right, version control is very important (I've used many on a professional basis), but do I really need to force all the developers (and myself) to install full SVN programs?
I was hoping there would be a web based version control system which allows you to check in/out files purely using a web browser.
Any suggestions would be appreciated...I've only used closed corporate solutions before so new to open-source.

CVS idea
Guys,
Can we use CodeBeamer for something like this? From what I'm reading this might allow us the versioning control. It could be downloaded for free for up to 6 users.
Any thoughts?
Here's the link for the version that I was thinking of.
http://www.intland.com/products/cb-mr/overview.html

Windows Phone 7 UI Makes iPhone UI Look Like Dinosaur

http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-7-ui-makes-iphone-look-like-a-dinosaur/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQBpiLudT40

Saw this post and absolutely loved it. It's very true. If you think about it, the iPhone UI really is ancient and extremely primitive and really brings nothing exciting or innovative to the table.
Many times when I talk to people about phones seriously I sometimes refer to the iPhone "UI" as the iPhone "List of Apps". There really is very little of a UI to speak of; if I were to design a phone UI, the last thing I would think of trying to pass of as a UI is a list of apps that offers little to no information at a glance, and Apple was really the first company to do this.
If any Apple fanboy wants to challenge me on this, I usually only need to ask them if their device is jailbroken. More than likely, most iPhone users that are serious about their phone are running services that in some way provide what WP7 will be providing it's users: ease of access to information that matters most, a beautiful UI (usually iPhone users try to get as close to "beatiful" as possible with themes), and intuitive interface.
I'm glad that people are recognizing how little of an interface the iPhone actually has, and I can't wait for the launch of WP7 to start opening people's eyes to how fun and productive it can be to use a phone.

djcaston said:
the last thing I would think of trying to pass of as a UI is a list of apps that offers little to no information at a glance, and Apple was really the first company to do this.
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Guess which modern smartphone OS is the closest to this? Is it Android? Meego? No... it's Windows Phone 7!
These tiles waste screen real estate like it's their job, and barely display any info. Compare it to Android and tell me it's not a step back.

He mentioned turn-by-turn navigation using Bing and that's the first I've heard of it supporting that. I figured at some point it would but not at launch. Can anyone confirm this?

Ren13B said:
He mentioned turn-by-turn navigation using Bing and that's the first I've heard of it supporting that. I figured at some point it would but not at launch. Can anyone confirm this?
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Bing has offered turn by turn navigation for a while now on wm6.5.... I'd assume it will also on wp7.
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Pickx said:
These tiles waste screen real estate like it's their job, and barely display any info. Compare it to Android and tell me it's not a step back.
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Yes the tiles are large but the vertical scrolling it does makes that a non issue for me. Just flick your finger and you can get to anything you have pinned quickly.
If you don't like that then I'm sure someone will make a hub with a familiar grid layout you are used to for launching applications and whatever else similar to what htc did with sense on WP7.

zarathustrax said:
Bing has offered turn by turn navigation for a while now on wm6.5.... I'd assume it will also on wp7.
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Yeah I know I use it all the time. That mention on the video was the first I've heard of it on WP7 and that functionality seems like it would be something that Microsoft and the reviewers would have mentioned by now.

Pickx said:
Guess which modern smartphone OS is the closest to this? Is it Android? Meego? No... it's Windows Phone 7!
These tiles waste screen real estate like it's their job, and barely display any info. Compare it to Android and tell me it's not a step back.
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The icons in the iPhone UI are static images that display zero information. The tiles in WP7 display some information, and the lock screen also displays information. The purpose of the tiles is to show you a small amount of information, and tease certain data to make you click on the tile and look at more status updates, foursquare check-ins, tweets, whatever it is the application handles. Its far better than nothing, so I wouldn't say it's very bad at all.
The problem with the android UI is that it doesn't really offer a unified, organizaed homescreen. The homescreen is a collection of different widgets, applications icons, and notifications that run across the top menu bar. If you ask me, it's a very unorganized way of dealing with things, and it's part of the reason that android still seems unfinished and not very polished in comparision to other phone operating systems. Where everything is unified and organized on the WP7 homescreen, you have a collection of jumbled information on the android homescreen.

Haha, this is so true. Ever since I got my zune HD I've been saying this, it is so ironic that Apple used to market the Mac because 'windows looks like a spreadsheet' when that is exactly what iOS looks like.

chex13 said:
Haha, this is so true. Ever since I got my zune HD I've been saying this, it is so ironic that Apple used to market the Mac because 'windows looks like a spreadsheet' when that is exactly what iOS looks like.
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Same with iTunes. It's such a boring, non innovative program. Zune works much better and is a lot more exciting

djcaston said:
Same with iTunes. It's such a boring, non innovative program. Zune works much better and is a lot more exciting
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i agree with you. I am use zune (software) for some time, and i just love it! not because I 'm just another geek, but cause it's just works fine!

djcaston said:
The problem with the android UI is that it doesn't really offer a unified, organizaed homescreen. The homescreen is a collection of different widgets, applications icons, and notifications that run across the top menu bar. If you ask me, it's a very unorganized way of dealing with things, and it's part of the reason that android still seems unfinished and not very polished in comparision to other phone operating systems. Where everything is unified and organized on the WP7 homescreen, you have a collection of jumbled information on the android homescreen.
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You can say the exact same thing for WP7. The homescreen is a collection of Tiles, application icons, and notifications that run across the top.
For those that don't understand that a Live Tile is the exact same thing as a Widget on the homescreen look below. The only difference is what happens when you click on them.
Android Widgets (pick one)
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
WP7 Tiles (showing the same info as a widget would)

janneman22 said:
i agree with you. I am use zune (software) for some time, and i just love it! not because I 'm just another geek, but cause it's just works fine!
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One of the things that I absolutely love about the zune software that a lot of people don't even consciously notice is that you can browse by artist, song, or album instantly, from the same screen.
See, with iTunes, you have to pick what you want to alphabetize by on the regular spreadsheet view, or you can pick album view and only view by album, or artist view and only view by artist.
With the zune software, when you're looking at the collection screen, you can choose to go through alphabetically by artist, album, or song, all from the same screen at the same instant, or you can change the sort order and order them differently.
Other great zune innovations include:
- the search bar, which searches not only your collection, but the marketplace at the same time
- the quick search thingy - if you're in the artist section and start typing, it'll take you to the artist that matches what you're typing, just like when you type in explorer
- Zune Pass, which allows you to stream the entire song, any song, on the zune marketplace, or through their web interface, and soon through WP7!
There are more but I don't feel like listing them right now
If you don't have Zune get it now and find out for yourself!

vetvito said:
You can say the exact same thing for WP7. The homescreen is a collection of Tiles, application icons, and notifications that run across the top.
For those that don't understand that a Live Tile is the exact same thing as a Widget on the homescreen look below. The only difference is what happens when you click on them.
Android Widgets (pick one)
WP7 Tiles (showing the same info as a widget would)
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In some ways, what you say is true, but I disagree with you because of the way that the information is presented. For me, the reason I like WP7 better is because it provides a far greater level of organization and unification. Everything is arranged in tiles, and they all follow a similar visual style, and are sized in multiples of the standard block size. The end result may be the same information, but the way that it is organized and arranged looks MUCH better (IMHO) than a whole bunch of widgets that are different sizes, different visual styles, different fonts, and are ultimately not all pulled together. To me the end result looks like an unfinished and rather ugly operating system, like android.
I think HTC recognizes this and shares my view as well, which is why they provided sense for android. By placing sense over the rest of android, they can present a phone that looks much more "finished". I'm sure that when HTC puts there name on a phone, they want to make sure that the operating system is up to par as well, since thats what the user will be interacting with while they use the phone. Apparently, while they thought android was good, they didn't think that it was good enough visually, which is where sense comes in.
That's what gives WP7 it's wow factor; it's so well put together.

djcaston said:
In some ways, what you say is true, but I disagree with you because of the way that the information is presented. For me, the reason I like WP7 better is because it provides a far greater level of organization and unification. Everything is arranged in tiles, and they all follow a similar visual style, and are sized in multiples of the standard block size. The end result may be the same information, but the way that it is organized and arranged looks MUCH better (IMHO) than a whole bunch of widgets that are different sizes, different visual styles, different fonts, and are ultimately not all pulled together. To me the end result looks like an unfinished and rather ugly operating system, like android.
I think HTC recognizes this and shares my view as well, which is why they provided sense for android. By placing sense over the rest of android, they can present a phone that looks much more "finished". I'm sure that when HTC puts there name on a phone, they want to make sure that the operating system is up to par as well, since thats what the user will be interacting with while they use the phone. Apparently, while they thought android was good, they didn't think that it was good enough visually, which is where sense comes in.
That's what gives WP7 it's wow factor; it's so well put together.
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I totaly agree.. not to mention the adverage user will not know how to really customize their phone so wp7 answers this challange..

^ huh? You pin a tile,app, and bookmark to the Start screen the exact same way as you would on Android.

Did you notice that the discussion wasn't about function, but about visual design and consistency.
I don't like android because it's terrably inconsistent, and it feels unfinished. That you more or less need Android 2.2 with JIT activated to even come close to the performance of WP7 or iOS doesn't make things better.

^huh, what loads faster a text only web page or one full of different graphics and pictures?

vetvito said:
^huh, what loads faster a text only web page or one full of different graphics and pictures?
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This day in age? There isn't much difference with high-end hardware, which is what we will be dealing with in WP7. Additionally, it matters much more whether the OS is efficient and highly optimized to handle things like graphics and animations, which, from the testing thats been conducted by several well respected blogs and individuals, seems to be the case with WP7

Also, calling WP7 UI text only isn't a fair assessment. It's very heavy on animations and has dynamic images and backgrounds. It also pulls data from the Internet so to make UI fluid you need to really master asynchronous APIs all around the place. It feels lightweight but it's not as light as it seems.

[.Net CF3.5] Smooth Panorama control and Metro UI for your WinMo app? Fleux is coming

Hey guys,
You have probably already seen my previous work on WorldCup App for WM (WP7 Style).
This time I want to let you know that I've just published a new open source project in codeplex, called Fleux.
It's a UI engine that can provide a very smooth user experience to your C# .Net Compact Framework application, with a friendly API.
It also provides a powerful animation, and transitions engine, and features kinetic scrolling and a Panorama control.
There still work to be done, but I think the foundation is done.
I'm planning to implement more controls soon. I'm developing Fleux in my free time, and that's the main issue I have now. If any of you are interested in helping me or in using Fleux for your project, just send me a PM.
To see what I'm talking about, I've recorded a video preview.
Unfortunately, I cannot post outside links here yet, but you can watch the video in youtube if you search for "Fleux Preview".
If anybody else can please post the links to the video and the project at codeplex, that would be awesome.
Looking forward to hearing from you!
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

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joemp said:
Hey guys,
I just published a new open source project in codeplex, called Fleux.
It's a UI engine that can provide a very smooth user experience to your C# .Net Compact Framework application, with a friendly API.
It also provides a powerful animation, and transitions engine, and features kinetic scrolling and a Panorama control.
There still work to be done, but I think the foundation is done.
I'm planning to implement more controls soon. I'm developing Fleux in my free time, and that's the main issue I have now. If any of you are interested in helping me or in using Fleux for your project, just send me a PM.
To see what I'm talking about, I've recorded a video preview.
Unfortunately, I cannot post links here yet, but you can watch the video in youtube if you search for "Fleux Preview".
If anybody else can please post the links to the video and the project at codeplex, that would be awesome.
Looking forward to hearing from you!
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Looks great! I see that its for HD2, what are the chances of running this on an Imagio? If you need beta testers, or would like to see its possibility to run on an 'older' phone, let me know. I am running the Imagio with 6.5, sense 2.1 (stock verizon rom) and just a few speed tweaks and visual updates.
And to throw down what I can, here is the video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4iXmKc_MqQ
And the link to the website:
http://fleux.codeplex.com/
Its really wicked fast, and the potential is really something I see progressing very very far! Nice work!

Hi Jerry, thanks for posting the links.
I already answered you in the PM, just send me an email and I'll send you a CAB for testing the demo in your HTC Imagio.
Thanks again!
-J

Will this only be for Capacitive screen phones?

It can run on any touch screen windows mobile 5+ device with .Net CF 3.5.
Obviously the smoothest run is in HTC HD2, and the current version of the Panorama control is not optimized for Square screen devices or for Landscape.
However, you can tweak your app if you're targeting slower devices for getting better performance. I'll be posting some samples showing some of those tweaks to enable building a fleux app targeting an older hardware.
I was also thinking on enable/disable features based on the hardware the app is running, but there is nothing yet about it.
Remember that this is an open source project, you can read the source code, you can play with it, you can change it according to your needs. I want to hear what you guys need for your apps, and let's work to make it possible. Fleux is already a great foundation for having an outstanding UX for your .net CF app.
Unfortunately I don't have the time for build another app showcasing it, my previous effort was a World Cup App in June, using an early panorama approach. That one got 60.000+ users, and great feedback. This time I want to be focused on the UI engine, and let you build the apps. I'm here to help.
-J

Waiting your release to try, but it seems really amazing.

Damn ! is cool...
i love it... so fast and responsive.... damn...
so great !

If you wanna take a look at it, you can download the latest source code from Fleux project site at Codeplex and build it in VS 2008. Fleux is just C# .Net CF 3.5 code.
I'm currently finishing the Pivot control (which is looking great) and then I'll start adding some other missing controls.
If any of you want a cab file with the Fleux demo, just drop me a PM with your email, and I'll send you the installer.
It's in early stages yet, but you will get the demo you can see in the video.

Awesome! I have been thinking about writing an UI Engine for a while, but this looks so great! Revive WinMo

May I use your early Version you have postet @ Codeplex to bring out a prove of concept for one of my applications?

Brandi, that would be really awesome!
Feel free to download the latest source code and play with it. Use it freely in your proof of concept and send me all the feedback you have from it. I'm sure you will need elements or features that are not implemented yet, but all that feedback will help me prioritizing my work, and I can also help you with pointers about how can you get the UX you're looking for.
You can also send me an email to jose at mobilepractices dot net explaining what UI do you have in mind and I can give some advice to speed up your work on it.
Thanks!
-J

joemp said:
Hey guys,
You have probably already seen my previous work on WorldCup App for WM (WP7 Style).
This time I want to let you know that I've just published a new open source project in codeplex, called Fleux.
It's a UI engine that can provide a very smooth user experience to your C# .Net Compact Framework application, with a friendly API.
It also provides a powerful animation, and transitions engine, and features kinetic scrolling and a Panorama control.
There still work to be done, but I think the foundation is done.
I'm planning to implement more controls soon. I'm developing Fleux in my free time, and that's the main issue I have now. If any of you are interested in helping me or in using Fleux for your project, just send me a PM.
To see what I'm talking about, I've recorded a video preview.
Unfortunately, I cannot post outside links here yet, but you can watch the video in youtube if you search for "Fleux Preview".
If anybody else can please post the links to the video and the project at codeplex, that would be awesome.
Looking forward to hearing from you!
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I usually just lurk here but I had to break my silence just to say...
WOW...AMAZING WORK!!!!
Though I recently upgraded to an Epic 4G...I would love to play with this on my Touch Pro 2 just for kicks. I really love pushing that device to it's limits for some reason.

joemp said:
Brandi, that would be really awesome!
Feel free to download the latest source code and play with it. Use it freely in your proof of concept and send me all the feedback you have from it. I'm sure you will need elements or features that are not implemented yet, but all that feedback will help me prioritizing my work, and I can also help you with pointers about how can you get the UX you're looking for.
You can also send me an email to jose at mobilepractices dot net explaining what UI do you have in mind and I can give some advice to speed up your work on it.
Thanks!
-J
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Thank you for your open minded policies
I will do some Concept Studies and then give you a feedback to the current status of the UI!
I had pretty much the same in mind, since I saw WP7 I thought, that it cannot be impossible to have such an ui in the normal winCE environment. But you are doing a great job on this, and I don't think we need the same UI twice.

With Fleux...
You can with good knowledge of Windows Mobile create a panoramic UI to erase Original UI...
If you need some graphics...
LeSScro is here to serve communauty...

brandi said:
Thank you for your open minded policies
I will do some Concept Studies and then give you a feedback to the current status of the UI!
I had pretty much the same in mind, since I saw WP7 I thought, that it cannot be impossible to have such an ui in the normal winCE environment. But you are doing a great job on this, and I don't think we need the same UI twice.
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I'm sure we all know the potential of Windows Mobile, but such an outdated UI has been making it look like the ugly and avoidable platform, even with the great efforts from HTC and some XDA devs here for changing it, tackling mostly the home screen experience.
I'm glad you like my work on this. It's great that you had the same idea in mind. Actually, I agree with you, we don't need the same nice UI twice, but we do need at least a single awesome UI, and if you have been thinking on this, I'm sure you have tons of interesting stuff to contribute with this project. I'm working on fleux in my free time, and that's my main issue right now, I don't have enough time to build all what I have in mind as fast as I want. If you can focus your work on building some of the missing stuff on fleux, that would be great. I'll be really glad to provide you all the help for the fastest ramp up and to go right to the point.
-J

lesscro said:
With Fleux...
You can with good knowledge of Windows Mobile create a panoramic UI to erase Original UI...
If you need some graphics...
LeSScro is here to serve communauty...
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Thanks again LeSScro!
We will definitely need some help on that area, so stay in touch.

joemp said:
I'm sure we all know the potential of Windows Mobile, but such an outdated UI has been making it look like the ugly and avoidable platform, even with the great efforts from HTC and some XDA devs here for changing it, tackling mostly the home screen experience.
I'm glad you like my work on this. It's great that you had the same idea in mind. Actually, I agree with you, we don't need the same nice UI twice, but we do need at least a single awesome UI, and if you have been thinking on this, I'm sure you have tons of interesting stuff to contribute with this project. I'm working on fleux in my free time, and that's my main issue right now, I don't have enough time to build all what I have in mind as fast as I want. If you can focus your work on building some of the missing stuff on fleux, that would be great. I'll be really glad to provide you all the help for the fastest ramp up and to go right to the point.
-J
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Awesome, I am on!
I'll need to spend a little time reading your code, but I am very willed to contribute some controls, UI Elements needed for this awesome UI!

So, here is my first try of a Demo programm!
Its not perfect so far, but you can see what this UI can do

Awesome work Brandi! And that was really quick. I feel that's a very good sign so far.
I've just pushed another source code change set to Codeplex, with a first approach for a Pivot control. It also has an additional template for titled groups, and some new parameters in the TextElement for text-wrapping support (without the need of using the DrawingGraphics DrawMultiline() primitive).
I'm working on a compatibility mode for enabling fleux to run on slower devices with a nice performance. That's my focus right now.
Please send me an email with your feedback about the experience of developing a fleux app. That would be definitely very useful.
Thanks!
-J

How to create a material ui app for my website??

Hello guys i want to create a material ui awesome app for my device can anyone tell me how to do it?? I had android studio sdk.. But don't know how to do please help me guys
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Hi,
do you have any development skill?
If not I suggest you start learning. Codecademy provides nice tutorials.
If you wanna stick to web technologies for your app I suggest these:
codecademy.com/tracks/javascript
codecademy.com/tracks/web
Then I recommend to build an app usign ionic framework (ionicframework.com).
Pretty easy to setup.
Once you are done setting it up you can apply materializecss.com for example. Gives you nice material design controls.

Reply: How to create a material ui app for my website??
I am a little confused. Are you wanting to make an Android app or a Web app with material design. If your thinking about design at this stage, I think you going at this backwards. The design depends on the functionality, but the functionality is what makes an app. But to answer both for Android and Web apps:
Android: Google basically gives you everything you need for a material design app. All you have to do in make the back-end and a lil front end work then you have yourself an app. I know its simpler said than done but here is my philosophy when working with something new or I am trying to learn: Don't Imitate! Understand! Programming requires a lot of mental energy and knowledge. I think tutorials today fall in the mindset of holding your hand too much and making you reach a product by the end of it with no knowledge of what you just did. And then you try stuff on your own then your like "Well where do I start?". You will save yourself a bunch of time by not just diving in and trying to make something big as your first app, but instead just take it little by little. Can you make an activity say "hello world"? Great now try to put a fragment in the activity with a list view that has many "hello worlds". Did you figure that out? Then try to make a pop up(toast) say hello world. Your going to have to start somewhere. I have no idea how skilled you are but most likely you either know how to program but are stumped or you just don't know how to program at all. Trust me buddy, I have been there. After learning Java at my University I thought well I could do it, but I was sadly mistaken. My professor taught us Swing when JavaFX came out long ago. UHG SO UGLY! So I just went back to Java and tried to understand Java as must as I could without going too deep into it. Then as I explained I made "hella" amounts of hello world programs. "Hello Worlds" that appeared in the notifications, "Hello Worlds" that were in a settings activity. I even made a lil app that popped up with "There is no spoon" then you can switch it in the settings to "Oh Theirs My Spoon!". You just gotta not do what most tutorials do and stop and think about what you wrote. You will go farther than you would ever imagine. :good:
Web App: Ok if you want to make a material design web app its pretty simple with the CSS framework called Materialize. It may take getting used to and you may have to edit your own CSS but its all there. Though I have no idea why you want to make an "Android App" for you website. Are you wanting to show a concept of the app? You seem a lil out of focus of what you want. I would watch this talk on youtube: Making Badass Developers - Kathy Sierra (Serious Pony) keynote. Its saved me from ultimately quitting programming as a whole. But the point is to just that you need to be honest with yourself on your own skills. If you feel stumped then its time to go back to some basics or maybe take it in a smaller steps. If you do this you will definitely be able to make your app.
Sorry I wish I could post links to the things I recommend but I am still new to these forums. Anyways I hope you read this and other beginners read this. Sorry if its tldr post. I just wanted to give some good advice.

You could use React and Material UI components.

flodev said:
Hi,
do you have any development skill?
If not I suggest you start learning. Codecademy provides nice tutorials.
If you wanna stick to web technologies for your app I suggest these:
codecademy.com/tracks/javascript
codecademy.com/tracks/web
Then I recommend to build an app usign ionic framework (ionicframework.com).
Pretty easy to setup.
Once you are done setting it up you can apply materializecss.com for example. Gives you nice material design controls.
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No i don't have developing skill
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jackcarter3456 said:
If you are a beginner than the use of IDE is good like Android studio. Read some guides on Android app development, so that you can have a basic idea.
Once you clear all the basics, then start developing with simple UI. Don't go into deeply. When you successfully build the app with simple coding, then start with the next level.
For designing material UI, it is better to use Pre-made UI kits instead of designing the app from scratch. With these UI kits, you only need to customize the elements according to your need in the Photoshop or Illustrator, without giving too much efforts.
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I created a app for my site... Can anyone help me in uploading it on play store?? I'll be glad if u do soo
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Vijay chandra said:
I created a app for my site... Can anyone help me in uploading it on play store?? I'll be glad if u do soo
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Why don't just upload it here? In xda? Will get better feedback here then play store. Besides, it will give bad impression to the account owner if users give bad rating to your app. XDA already provided a thread dedicated exactly for what you're trying to do. Use it.?

ionicmaterial , google this keyword, i think you can get demo in all web and mobile with this. Because I am a newbie, can't post link .

codinginthebigcity said:
ionicmaterial , google this keyword, i think you can get demo in all web and mobile with this. Because I am a newbie, can't post link .
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Ionic Material is buggy and hasn't been updated for a while.
I would actually bite the bullet and try angular material.
Far superior support barring a quirk or two...

karandpr said:
Ionic Material is buggy and hasn't been updated for a while.
I would actually bite the bullet and try angular material.
Far superior support barring a quirk or two...
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It is updated near: June 30, 2016
http://blog.ionic.io/ionic-2-beta-10-is-live/
I don't know about bugs because ionic 2 is beta, but UI is really good with 700 free icon:
http://ionicframework.com/docs/v2/components/

codinginthebigcity said:
It is updated near: June 30, 2016
http://blog.ionic.io/ionic-2-beta-10-is-live/
I don't know about bugs because ionic 2 is beta, but UI is really good with 700 free icon:
http://ionicframework.com/docs/v2/components/
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http://ionicmaterial.com/
This is ionic material.
Truth to be told ,Ionic v2 is not ready for production and due to the Angular 2.x dependency it's wayyy different.
The difference between v1 and v2 is night and day.

With beta 10 of Ionic, we are closer to "ready for production".

A UI/UX guy will tell you about how to achieve that exactly but the way I look at it, you can achieve a similar thing by using a background(this has the vertical line )to the list view and the profile picture circles will be image views to which images are loaded dynamically. I am sure there is a much better way to do this but this is definitely one way you can try to do that

There are many guidelines on the web for to upload your apps on google play store. If you are going to do this with ionic you should check folder struture very carefully.

Hello friends,
I have an app of my own blog, one of my friend just made it, but this app is showing an note as shown in picture as Application Running in Demo mode,
Can someone please tell me, how can i remove this water mark, this water mark only visible on main screen....
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
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How to create a material ui app for my website..?
To be completely forthright, I think you got a major issue to utilize this stuff.
Firstly, it relies on upon Facebook's View system called React so you need to know well some essential things.
Secondly,React is absolutely a javascript stuff and on the off chance that you utilize it by coding plain javascript, that would be an other enormous issue which may stop you.otherwise in the event that you utilize it's sentence structure sugar called jsx, despite everything you have to pay a lot of times to learn well it with the goal that you could know how React function and afterward you could utilize it in your venture.
Thirdly, before the previously mentioned happen, there are still a few things required that you dont need to know well NodeJs or webpack or NPM yet at any rate you ought to know well how to utilize them as the straightforward apparatuses.
All in all, is it an absolute necessity that you have no other decision yet need to utilize this stuff and just act it as a basic css system?
If not! you can surrender now aside from you are prepared to learn huge amounts of conditions!!!
On the off chance that yes! I guidance you to introduce nodejs first and after that introduce npm and after that utilization npm to introduce respond perhaps despite everything you have to introduce a few devices like babel browserify or webpack(the best) and afterward plunge into React and after that you could start figuring out how to utilize MUI~ sounds...mass
There isnt a speedy pickup route for MUI simply like they said!

Material-UI is a set of React components in addition to being a CSS framework. I don't know if you can get much use out of it without understanding React.
The easiest way to get started is to install the examples and start from there.
If you don't want to deal with a front-end framework like React, and just want CSS and JS files with a setup time as quick as Bootstrap, check out the Materialize library.