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Basic Questions... =)

i'm just a newbie with HTC. i do know a lot about Symbian phones specially Nokia models. I just purchased a XDA II mini, and i've heard i cut put applications, tools and games with it as well.
i'm already collecting stuff for that. then, i encounter that I could also upgrade, WWE, Radio and Extended ROM.
i have no idea on that, can some1 explain me how this things works... pls. pls. pls... thanx
i have download some ROM, and Radio. i've used it following instructions listed on the site. and have seen my new XDA being updated. but i don't have an extended ROM????? how to install one??? tnx again and more power to all...

The Radio ROM is responsible for your normal GSM function (it doesn't handles WiFi). It is like the firmware of your normal (say) Nokia (non-symbian) phone. I think you need to specifically upgrade the Radio seperately (e.g. not included in ROM package). Some say that upgrading the Radio will improve things such as phone related speed and reception quality.
A ROM usually comes in a package (that is, it includes Ext-ROM). Depending on how you upgrade your ROM, you probably already upgraded your Ext-ROM as well. Probably that's why you didn't see Ext-ROM to be downloaded. However, there are user forged ExtRom that suppose to have all the goodies in it, such that, every time you perform a hard reset, you do not need to seperately install your favourite/essential software.
The Ext-ROM is the area that phone-operators put their customized stuff in. Example, both operators O2 and T-Mobile may have the same ROM for their respective HTC-Magician model, but they surely have different Ext-ROM. This Ext-ROM determines how the phone looks like what the operator wants it to be (e.g. theme and colour of O2, GSM related settings, GPRS settings).
If your phone (or the ROM you upgraded) is from the same operator (e.g. O2, T-mobile) or distribtor (e.g. Qtek, iMate), you may not see much of a difference as both Ext-ROM may actually have the same packaging.
Tell us how you upgrade your unit and we may able to tell you if you already Ext rom upgraded.
WWE is World Wrestling Entertainment which...
Seriously, WWE is a code that shows you which region the particular ROM is for. WWE is for World Wide English (I think) which is generally the default for most phone. However, if you like, you can get other region ROM to installed on your device (make sure they are compatible). You can basically guess that region they are from by guessing these code (you can find - but difficult - them on the web), e.g. Italian ones might be ITY, Spanish on might be SPN, etc.

Big thanx...
thanx thanx for the reply.. for the efort... and much mor for the time...
anywys like your meaning of WWE! hehe.. but i do understand that already as some indications of language/region settings of the ROM package.
i'm having problem with EXT-Rom because, after flashing, when i check Device information, it says about my ROM version, my RADIO version, but my EXT-ROM is blank. i downloaded the package ROM from this site. the 1.12 package for magician, have downloaded also the separate Radio package (1.13), but the ROM package doesn't seem to install the EXT-ROM.
i tried downloading EXT-ROM on separate folder of the FTP, but as i cud see it is not like the ROM files and Radio Files that comes in package. the 2 EXT-ROM i downloaded was a chunk of CAB files and ZIP/RAR files... i was wondering if i should copy all of them to my XDA and manually install..
is there a built in package EXT-ROM??? or is there a program that automatically install them???
again thanxs so much... hopefully when i fully understand the XDA world i could contribute and share my stuff... thanx to the group! =)

Your unit runs on W2003 while mine runs on WM5. So, I can't really give details on your missing ExtRom.
However, yes, ExtRom usually comes with a bunch of CAB files and come XML or config files. What you need to do is, try to search for unlocking Ext rom in this forum or the wiki http://wiki.xda-developers.com/ to check on how to unlock the ext rom.
As for magician, there is a thing called Big Storage, which seems to handle ExtRom differently. I don't have the details, someone with a Magician big storage may able to help you on this. Anyway, check to see if your ROM is a big storage enabled version. If it is, it should be very obvious (stated on the page/rom somewhere) as this big storage thing is a hit in Magician. You may have to treat the one with/without big storage enabled one differently.
Anyway, advise is, look for the unlock ext-rom for Magician. Follow the instructions carefully (though ext rom fiddling is usually non fatal), and see if can have it unlocked. You should then have a seperate 'partition' or folder that you can write on normally. Just copy everything into the 'partition' and you had your very own ext-rom. That's why extrom looks different than the ROM itself.

thanx thanx again..
yup i did download one of the big storage rom in the xda-developers ftp site with ver 1.12
i did flash that to my phone, and always get Ext-Rom error to my device... ROM and Radio is ok, but EXt ROM is a failure.. anyways, following your advice i downloade a separate Ext-ROM files and hit the autoconfig, and from there everything was ok.... =)
you did mention that your device runs WM2005, and mine 2003... is it possible to upgrade that as well??? is there a tool to do that??? and is that different from the ROM files to upgrade the device???
---(having problems) for the last 2 days, i can't access the FTP folder of xda-developers... "page can't be displayed", r we experiencing problem with the site??? can u pls post a link on how to access it directly??? same with wiki.xda-developers...
BIG Thanx! =)

Big storage version may not have ExtRom, probably that's why you are having problems with it. Anyway, the method you've done is just simply installing the Ext Rom stuff into your device. Upon the next hard reset, you have to reinstall the ExtRom stuff again manually (as oppose to if you have Ext Rom, the stuff will be install automatically upon hardreset). But I guess since you don't hardreset it everyday, it is the same.
No. Repeat. NO. you can't upgrade your device to WM5. It has been well proven that Magician cannot be upgrade to WM5. And do not try to install ROM from other devices (e.g. Charmer) which looks very similiar to Magician. They are different in hardware and hence the ROMs are not compatible. And you may kill your device. So, repeat again, do not attempt to upgrade your Magician to WM5. You can always stay here and read new threads. WM5 in Magician is a superb news that if there is a possibility, it will be a hit in this forum.
BTW, on the bright side, you can see that Magician is a better device than Charmer although the latter runs WM5. Magician is superb in almost all the tasks given. Take a look at this thread to see the advantages of Magician vs Charmer. So, able to run W2003 is not such a bad thing at all. Probably WM5 will slow the Magician down.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=55153&highlight=

xda orbit- rom flashing.

hi, sorry if this topic has been posted before. and sorry for my ignorance on this topic.
i have an orbit that came with wm5 which i later flashed to the official wm6 via o2 upgrade website.
the only problem i have is that the new rom is taking up too much programme memory and has made the phone terribly slow.
i'd like to get it flashed with a rom that doesnt take up too much memory but the problem is that i cant find a step by step guide of how i should do this.
what is the most stable rom available for the orbit and where can i find it from?
if i get my phone flashed via a 3rd party rom will it remove the microsoft office mobile apps from the phone? (i really need these for my uni studies)
thanks in advance.

alrite mate,
what you need to do is make sure you run USPL first! otherwise u may BRICK your phone.
What I found the best rom to be is artemis touch 4.01. Try searching for it nad follow instructions in there. If i remmeber correctly the UPSL program is included in the update that you download.
good luck and enjoy the wonderful benefits of installing a custom rom!

'Artemis Touch 4.01" comes in several versions - Full, Lite, Vanilla, with and without cube etc. 'Artemis Touch 4.01 WM6.1 WWE ROM - Lite without cube' has an incredible amount of memory left over for running programs. A couple days of running it now and I have no problem keeping about 19-20M free. USPL is included with both ROMs mentioned here.
No matter which version you choose it will wipe clean everything on your phone. Nothing from before will remain. The good news is both ROMs mentioned here have the ms office mobile apps built into them. So, you will get those back. Before you flash, be sure the files you created using the office apps are saved elsewhere (memory card or via activesync to another computer), otherwise you'll be kickin' yourself.

[Idea] Windows Mobile partitially loaded from Storage

Hello all,
i have a idea about doing something that would give a huge amount extra space for our phone and possibly could speed the device up.
THe idea is loading parts or the whole windows system from the internal storage.
has anyone ever tried doing something that goes to this direction ?
Please share your opinion.
greetings alphazero

You mean executing from storage (so it does not have to be run from RAM/Pagepool) ? WM 5/6 can do execute in place (XIP) from NOR based ROM/Flash. I am not sure what the Diamond has for it's base 256MB "ROM", probably NAND as its cheaper and writes a lot faster.

psc001 said:
You mean executing from storage (so it does not have to be run from RAM/Pagepool) ? WM 5/6 can do execute in place (XIP) from NOR based ROM/Flash. I am not sure what the Diamond has for it's base 256MB "ROM", probably NAND as its cheaper and writes a lot faster.
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so you think its possible ?

Depends on the base flash type of the Diamon 256MB ROM. Also remember that the read speed (even with NOR flash) is a lot slower than RAM

It's a nice thought, but I think that the performance boost will not be what you expect. A few extra MB's of RAM will not make the device more usable. So to be short: don't spend time on this. Make fast ROM's instead

Xperia ROM Question

This might be pretty n00b...but what do roms do exactly? If you install one, are you still able to use your phone with your provider and stuff...i dunno, just scared something happens to my phone.

The ROM is the operating system of your phone. It's like XP, Vista, Ubuntu, Knoppix and so on.
If you flash another ROM you will have a completely other software / interface / programms ....

Doc_Debil said:
The ROM is the operating system of your phone. It's like XP, Vista, Ubuntu, Knoppix and so on.
If you flash another ROM you will have a completely other software / interface / programms ....
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Actually the ROM is more like the hard drive in ones computer.
It does contain the operating system, but its not THE operating system.
When you change the ROM on your phone is like changing your computer's hard drive with another one that already has an operating system installed.
@Doc_Debil
Yes you will be able to use your phone with your current provider and stuff
The chances of actually bricking (permanently damaging your phone) are really slim. Just make sure you don't run out of battery when you do the update.
I also suggest doing the update from the phone's SD card. It's MUCH safer than the update through the PC.
Hope that cleared some of your questions

SyntheticDistortion said:
This might be pretty n00b...but what do roms do exactly? If you install one, are you still able to use your phone with your provider and stuff...i dunno, just scared something happens to my phone.
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Let me put it in very simple language
First there was windows3.1...then windows 95...then windows 98..then windows xp..then now windows 7...
this is a rom.
a rom upgrade will take u frm windws 95 to windows xp
So a rom update on the xperia will make ur xperia faster.prettier.and with less bugs.
Cheers,
Rotastrain

rotastrain said:
Let me put it in very simple language
First there was windows3.1...then windows 95...then windows 98..then windows xp..then now windows 7...
this is a rom.
a rom upgrade will take u frm windws 95 to windows xp
So a rom update on the xperia will make ur xperia faster.prettier.and with less bugs.
Cheers,
Rotastrain
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Very simple but not quite right.
A rom cannot be compared to an OS. Most roms will take you from Windows mobile 6.1 to windows mobile 6.1
Most differences are made within the registry and programs installed by default.
Some roms (like a super light rom) will make your xpera faster but it won`t make it prettier per se. And bugs are ever present. You cannot expect a rom to be bug free (only 1 person has dared to say that his rom is bugfree so far)
Installing another rom won`t make that much of a difference to be honest.
It might make your xperia faster with a better battery life. Or make it prettier with crappier battery life.
Most of which you could do by installing cabs (not all)

dekeijzer said:
Very simple but not quite right.
A rom cannot be compared to an OS. Most roms will take you from Windows mobile 6.1 to windows mobile 6.1
Most differences are made within the registry and programs installed by default.
Some roms (like a super light rom) will make your xpera faster but it won`t make it prettier per se. And bugs are ever present. You cannot expect a rom to be bug free (only 1 person has dared to say that his rom is bugfree so far)
Installing another rom won`t make that much of a difference to be honest.
It might make your xperia faster with a better battery life. Or make it prettier with crappier battery life.
Most of which you could do by installing cabs (not all)
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U go dekeijzer

dekeijzer said:
Very simple but not quite right.
A rom cannot be compared to an OS. Most roms will take you from Windows mobile 6.1 to windows mobile 6.1
Most differences are made within the registry and programs installed by default.
Some roms (like a super light rom) will make your xpera faster but it won`t make it prettier per se. And bugs are ever present. You cannot expect a rom to be bug free (only 1 person has dared to say that his rom is bugfree so far)
Installing another rom won`t make that much of a difference to be honest.
It might make your xperia faster with a better battery life. Or make it prettier with crappier battery life.
Most of which you could do by installing cabs (not all)
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the language was meant for noobs and new guys who dont care much bout the smaller things..

rotastrain said:
the language was meant for noobs and new guys who dont care much bout the smaller things..
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That still doesn't mean we have to give wrong information

hey guise i have a problem, before you install a different rom you need to do a hard spl and ive tried that on my x1 and it wont work can any body help me plees the hard spl cannot be installed

Why not just copy the rom onto the SD Card (root folder - you might need to rename the file into kovsky.nbh i think?), then turn off your phone, hold the power button + volume down until you see it go into service mode, then follow the instructions.
It's THAT easy
Plus you won't have to worry about those pesky cats unplugging your usb cable while you flash your phone )

[Q] Android on HTC Diamond

Hi,
There's a way to replace Windows on my HTC Diamond with android or another operating system?
Thank you for your time

Cittino90 said:
Hi,
There's a way to replace Windows on my HTC Diamond with android or another operating system?
Thank you for your time
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No
It's still being worked on.

Grazie tante!

You can actually install android alongside of winmo. Try searching for xdandroid and you'll find what you are looking for.
ALso search for neopeek, it might help.

yes, i tryed haret.exe, but i want to delete completely windows..

Cittino90 said:
yes, i tryed haret.exe, but i want to delete completely windows..
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there is a completely lightweight windows rom that automatically starts haret and thus android

Ludacris said:
there is a completely lightweight windows rom that automatically starts haret and thus android
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But you have still wm..

well... this windows mobile is NOT functional

How right you are

Ludacris said:
there is a completely lightweight windows rom that automatically starts haret and thus android
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linky please

Android on Diamond
There are my experiences with Android on Diamond:
I used XDAndroid (Foryo, ver.FRX06). Installation is not difficult, they were two "catches" during installation in my case: First, I had to delete ts-calibration file to recreate display-calibration data (after first boot it was completely broken) and second, finally I had to (full)format Internal Storage (FAT32) because Android didnt see internal storage ("sdcard").
So, now I have working android. Synchronizations with google account works, wifi work, GPS works. But I cant install anything from Market - very annoying, I dont know yet how to fix this. At least I can install application directly from .apk files.
Summary:
Using Android on Diamond is pain. System is slow. If you are used to use some fast (winmo)ROM, you will be horrified. Let's imagine slowest 6.5 rom with TF3D - and android is even slowest . Sometimes, the response is so slow, that system detected "not responding" application and offers to kill it or wait (choose wait ). Diamond has limited memory, after boot you will have about 30MB free (depends on widgets used). Also, battery drain is terrible.
Despite all, android applications works. So, for testing, playing and get familiar with android, its fine. Then, when you'll assure yourself android is good, then you'll buy a true android device (Just for comparison: my wife has LG Optimus One, pretty cheap device, but android works much much much faster and smoother than on Diamond, its really different league, incomparable with Diamond). If you want to keep Diamond, for everyday use, go back to any fast WM ROM, (BSB is my favorite), install SPB Shell and Droid+ mod.

Pretty weird,on my diamond was faster than a wm6.1 + sense 2.1,maybe because I hardly ever used frx06.
But frx06 shouldn't be slow,there are a lot of users that like it's speed and stability,so maybe you were unlucky or with wrong/old files..

helicopter88 said:
Pretty weird,on my diamond was faster than a wm6.1 + sense 2.1,maybe because I hardly ever used frx06.
But frx06 shouldn't be slow,there are a lot of users that like it's speed and stability,so maybe you were unlucky or with wrong/old files..
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Hm, could it be possible "wrong" files makes working but slower system? Maybe it is about frx06... Can you help me to install any different android version? But keeping wm is necessary condition, so I think xdandroid is the only option..(?)
Thanx,
D.

davidm2 said:
Hm, could it be possible "wrong" files makes working but slower system? Maybe it is about frx06... Can you help me to install any different android version? But keeping wm is necessary condition, so I think xdandroid is the only option..(?)
Thanx,
D.
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You could check this forum,there are my two builds,or in rhod's android subforum there are others
Speed isn't only decided by system,but by kernel and rootfs too,so,check them out and find the fastest for you