Resetting and turned into a hard reset? - 8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development

any time now on any rom, i'll soft reset my phone and all of a sudden it goes to the windows mobile start screen with the screen calibration.. (basically a hard reset to a clean os)
how do i fix this, i been trying to find a solution to this problem for some time now but haven't got a concrete find for it

ezsoulja said:
any time now on any rom, i'll soft reset my phone and all of a sudden it goes to the windows mobile start screen with the screen calibration.. (basically a hard reset to a clean os)
how do i fix this, i been trying to find a solution to this problem for some time now but haven't got a concrete find for it
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I am sure I have advised this when you wrote on one of the threads. Try flashing a shipped rom first, it is in my 4shared, doesn't matter if you have AT&T 8525 or not as it works for my jasjam. Flashing too many radios may kill your phone. So ... flash that and then flash the one you want ..
I have not in my time flashing my phone and my customer's phone that a soft reset causes a hard reset after following the doctors instructions

i will try that but what does the regular att rom have that customs dont to stop this from occuring

ezsoulja said:
i will try that but what does the regular att rom have that customs dont to stop this from occuring
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As I mentioned no issues for me yet touch wood/knock on wood as your part of the world probably accustom to.

ok so far so good, no more hard resets but i just wondered what the original att stripped rom is actually doing to stop this from happening and how much more to reflashing the roms before it happens again..

it has something to do with the big storage/non big storage flashings etc and that shipped rom sorta resets it all to an acceptable state to the phone's brain so to speak .. the doc's never wrong

ezsoulja said:
ok so far so good, no more hard resets but i just wondered what the original att stripped rom is actually doing to stop this from happening and how much more to reflashing the roms before it happens again..
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In a normal rom, the flash rom is split into two pices, ext rom and storage rom.
In a bigstorage rom, this boundery is removed.
Now, over time, this causes instability in the way windows access and manages the rom, leading to data loss (random hard resets).
Flashing a OEM rom with a OS partition and a Ext rom parition acts as a spring clean on the memmory layout, thus, stability.
As with windows, most things are solved by formating your HDD and starting again, its the same kinda thing!

Great.. Thanks guys, im back to normal now with no hard resetting.

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Semi Bricked phone

I think I've managed to semi brick my phone. I was playing around with flashing my phone with some roms and also tested out Android. I've had my phone for months now, and have flashed many times with no problems.
My problem - after using the phone somehow the phone storage gets corrupted and I can't run any programs. The start button and settings don't work. This is fixed by a hard reset.
Anyone else had this??
Now hat are you finally have and after this problem happened, did you try a different ROM?
yep, tried a different rom. first I had udK's beta 5 ROM. i thought it was that so I tried AZTOR v7. but the same thing happens. The phone storage seems to eventually get ocrrupted and the phone won't boot up or randomly boots up as If I did a hard reset but then touchflo won't install properly and only a proper har reset will cure this (for a short while)
benssson said:
yep, tried a different rom. first I had udK's beta 5 ROM. i thought it was that so I tried AZTOR v7. but the same thing happens. The phone storage seems to eventually get ocrrupted and the phone won't boot up or randomly boots up as If I did a hard reset but then touchflo won't install properly and only a proper har reset will cure this (for a short while)
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i had a similar problem in udk beta 3 or 4, then i went back to stock rom and its all good now (but after that i change the rom every couple of days - rom junkie)
and also, as far as i know, the phone is not bricked as long as it can enter in boot loader mode.
its eather bricked or not.
nblakqori said:
i had a similar problem in udk beta 3 or 4, then i went back to stock rom and its all good now (but after that i change the rom every couple of days - rom junkie)
and also, as far as i know, the phone is not bricked as long as it can enter in boot loader mode.
its eather bricked or not.
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Thanks. Seems your right. I've flashed the stock Orange ROM and it all seems to be okay now. seems you can't semi brick you phone
benssson said:
Thanks. Seems your right. I've flashed the stock Orange ROM and it all seems to be okay now. seems you can't semi brick you phone
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Furthermore I suggest you the complete hard reset, including the internal memory. It solved me a problem with stability of the operative system.
paolo the doctor said:
Furthermore I suggest you the complete hard reset, including the internal memory. It solved me a problem with stability of the operative system.
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Thanks, The stock rom seems to be working well anyway but I'll give that a go.

After rom upgrade

I've read a couple times that after rom upgrade one should hard reset.
What is the and is it really necessary? If yes when should I do it after all settings and customization is finished or immediately after flashing finishes?
Thanks
mosec said:
I've read a couple times that after rom upgrade one should hard reset.
What is the and is it really necessary? If yes when should I do it after all settings and customization is finished or immediately after flashing finishes?
Thanks
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Hi there.
Well I will point this out, if you don't do it. Your rom (that maybe is bugfree), can contains some strange bugs. And when you ex. say it to a cook, he can't figured out of the problem, because he don't have it
I always do this.
Put diamimg on internal storage.
Flash the phone.
Hard reset it, right after.
Now you phone is ready

Touch Diamond - Hard Reset Issue

I've read lots of comments, these very unwanted random hard-resets are suppose to be a common bug, however the suggested fixes dont seem to work for me, anyone else having the same issue?
Note: The issue must be software related, it only started happening to me immediately after a ROM update a few months back.
What usually happens:
- Install a ROM -> Configure It -> Install Apps... all looks good
- At some random point (could be days or weeks) the phone will lock up (usually on the password screen)
- A soft reset is required to rectify the lock-up
(i.e. the red button on back of phone)
- Phone hard-resets itself
Suggested Solutions:
1) Upgrade to HardSPL 1.93 - made no difference
2) I have tried running MTTY a few times, also no difference
3) Try different ROM's, I thought it might be just a bug with the WWE ROM, but it happens with the Energy ROM too
Just out of interest:
Interestingly, my wifes phone, which I do exactly the same updates on (same phone, same ROM, same Radio, etc), is working completely fine...
Hi
i had the same problem...for solve the problem, just flash the stock rom...you can download from htc website...than you can flash any rom you like and everytjing will work fine.
for any help just ask!
businello2000 said:
Hi
i had the same problem...for solve the problem, just flash the stock rom...you can download from htc website...than you can flash any rom you like and everytjing will work fine.
for any help just ask!
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Hi, thanks for suggestion, although yep I tried that too. There is no stock ROM for an imported phone on Optus, but I just used the stock Telstra one that was on the forums, then after a while went back to the WWE ROM, and the same issue still occurs.
No other ideas for resolving the hard reset issues?
Next time it happens, I might try pulling the battery out instead of using the reset button on the back of the phone.. but clearly something is wrong :-/
i have had this a couple of times, about 6 months ago and last week. i just flashed a different ROM, flashing the same one again didnt help, so just downloaded a different one and went with that.
seems to be ok now
flash this rom and do a hard reset after flashing:
http://uploading.com/files/WY03RBG2/Stock rom noSPL no Radio.rar.html
I've also posted the same link here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4057376&postcount=3
matrix77 said:
flash this rom and do a hard reset after flashing:
http://uploading.com/files/WY03RBG2/Stock rom noSPL no Radio.rar.html
I've also posted the same link here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4057376&postcount=3
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Thanks again for suggestions so far, but above fix only lasted about 5 days before another intermittent phone crash & subsequent hard reset, much the same as I have had experimenting with a range of stock and other ROM's :-/
I don't think the fix is as simple as just putting a Stock Rom -> Hard Reset -> MTTY -> New Rom -> Hard Reset. Im pretty sure its a software problem, but I dont see how the problem can survive such rigorous formatting...
Is noone else having the problem? Sounds like most are solved with 1 use of MTTY.
I searched a lot and found your thread.
I was upgrading my friend's Diamond, when he tells me that it hard resets itself without a reason. At first I thought it was the ROM's problem, so I switched to another one. But after I flashed the ROM, during the process of setting up the phone (settings, softwares), at some random point of installing random software, the phone says that the software was not installed successfully. After several re-flash, re-install, and ROM switching, it appears to me it's not a software problem.
It seems that it's at some point when the internal storage (not the NaviNAND) reaches a specific size, the device would fail and hangs (or not, randomly, but you can't install anything further), after a soft-reset, it will hard resets itself instead, it looks like some "badblocks" (sort of) on the internal storage NAND to me.
Is there a way to figure out if my theory's correct? I'm wondering if there is any tool that can run some diagnose on the internal NAND. If I'm correct and there is tool that can do so, it must have the ability to mask the bad pages on the NAND, right?
EDIT: There's a way to re-produce the situation. Just download some big apps (several MBs big) and install them in order. It will almost always hang at the same point.
The only solution is:
1st MTTY and run task 29 to format the device to make it clean and no left over stuff from the last ROM.
2nd Install different ROM
If you have bad sectors in the device, MTTY might not help much here, I guess.
Hi maddie, yes you might be onto something, I assume you already tried the usual fixes: (Stock Rom -> Hard Reset -> MTTY -> New Rom -> Hard Reset)? You can tell it to format the NaviNAND during the hard reset.
I think my issue might be different to yours though, as mine does not happen 'when installing software' mine happens days/weeks after setting up the phone.. It usually goes down like this: I pull the phone out of my pocket -> its locked on the password screen usually (cant type) -> pull the battery out or press the soft-reset button -> bang.. phone hard-resets.
I will make 1 suggestion though, instead of using all the nice fancy mods, and SPB Mobile Shell (looks like sense ui), I went back to a boring old stock rom, and well after 1 month its still going.. I absolutely hate it, but I dont want to buy another phone quite yet, so gonna go old-skool.
Let me know how you go, and as above if you did all the standard suggestions? It sounds like you need to somehow instruct the phone not to use those bad memory spots, but ive no idea if such a tool exists im afraid.
maddie said:
I searched a lot and found your thread.
I was upgrading my friend's Diamond, when he tells me that it hard resets itself without a reason. At first I thought it was the ROM's problem, so I switched to another one. But after I flashed the ROM, during the process of setting up the phone (settings, softwares), at some random point of installing random software, the phone says that the software was not installed successfully. After several re-flash, re-install, and ROM switching, it appears to me it's not a software problem.
It seems that it's at some point when the internal storage (not the NaviNAND) reaches a specific size, the device would fail and hangs (or not, randomly, but you can't install anything further), after a soft-reset, it will hard resets itself instead, it looks like some "badblocks" (sort of) on the internal storage NAND to me.
Is there a way to figure out if my theory's correct? I'm wondering if there is any tool that can run some diagnose on the internal NAND. If I'm correct and there is tool that can do so, it must have the ability to mask the bad pages on the NAND, right?
EDIT: There's a way to re-produce the situation. Just download some big apps (several MBs big) and install them in order. It will almost always hang at the same point.
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I got the same problem recently and I am still trying different way to solve it.
My Hard-reset happen:
After flashing new rom -> Installation of software ->
-> launching programs -> when some got may holding or loading without response
-> Soft-reset (red bottom) -> It automatically Hard-reset....
Similar thinking with you, I think that maybe one of those reasons leading the hard reset:
1. Device got bad sector while flashing for different roms;
2. New Radios got bug and crash with the new version of roms;
3. Too many things stored in Internal Storage;
kenleekwanho said:
1. Device got bad sector while flashing for different roms;
2. New Radios got bug and crash with the new version of roms;
3. Too many things stored in Internal Storage;
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I like this logic, im in the position of owning 2 HTC Diamonds with identical ROM, Radio, Applications, 1 works perfectly, 1 is resetting.
It 'probably' indicates that its hardware related, I doubt its Radio (due to the other phone working fine), so could be Internal Storage or Bad Sector.
Im not even close to filling up my internal storage though, so if its storage related, perhaps a particular sector is the problem (like maddie was mentioning).
Thanks for all your opinions!
It's the first time for me to think it's the Radio's problem. It comes to me now it seems this situation starts when I flashed the 1.15.25.14 radio. I will try another radio and update here.
I dont 'think' its Radio, but worth a shot.
I cant consistently reproduce my issue, so it could take me a month to find out if ive fixed the issue.. and there are a lot of variables in a month. But sounds like you have a way of reproducing it consistently, gl.
OK, it doesn't seem to work. I think that's it..
Maybe I should start looking at the bootloader commands..
ive got the same issue, but only with some ROMs, for example, the AZTOR X3 and GEN.Y D2 didnt work, but gen.y 1.4 worked for me.
I tried MTTY method to re-flashing, it seems fine to my diamond right now.
i have the same problem, i have tried about 10 different roms, but i don't think it's software related, i think it might be the phone overheating causing a faulty component, it started 2 days ago for me and usually after 5-10 min it crashes, and it started happening when the weather heated up and it will crash quicker if i try to charge it, anyone notice this?
Has anyone found a solution to this?
For me it started when I installed the Gen Y rom with the android dual booter (but not android itself). I have tried MTTY, Stock ROM but Im still experiencing the problem. I suspect it has something to do with the dual boot.
I get the same thing. soft reset = hard reset.
I have tried several ROMs but now the phone hangs on the loading screen

What is wrong with my phone?

Hello, I've been having some weird issues with my phone, first of all, this is ROM related.
Whenever I flash to a new rom, after using the rom perfectly for 1-2 days, rebooting ect...
After the 3rd day, or having the phone on for more than 24 hours, eventually after rebooting the phone, it will give me the dreaded "Device cannot boot, please hold volume up to reset your phone.
Then the phone works fine and the issue repeats over and over again.
using latest htc radio rom and latest htc winmo 6.5 rom
I really like the phone, but these stupid retarded issues keep me from actually considering this a stable phone to use for long-term use.
I'm at my ends with this phone and will end up loading the stock t-mo rom and selling it.
glcK23 said:
Hello, I've been having some weird issues with my phone, first of all, this is ROM related.
Whenever I flash to a new rom, after using the rom perfectly for 1-2 days, rebooting ect...
After the 3rd day, or having the phone on for more than 24 hours, eventually after rebooting the phone, it will give me the dreaded "Device cannot boot, please hold volume up to reset your phone.
Then the phone works fine and the issue repeats over and over again.
using latest htc radio rom and latest htc winmo 6.5 rom
I really like the phone, but these stupid retarded issues keep me from actually considering this a stable phone to use for long-term use.
I'm at my ends with this phone and will end up loading the stock t-mo rom and selling it.
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maybe a bad flash/rom? did you try downloading a new version of the rom and flashing...?
rvt1000 said:
maybe a bad flash/rom? did you try downloading a new version of the rom and flashing...?
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Yes sir, this has happened to almost every rom I have tried. I even hard-resetted the device after installing a new ROM to make sure everything was clean.
glcK23 said:
Yes sir, this has happened to almost every rom I have tried. I even hard-resetted the device after installing a new ROM to make sure everything was clean.
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odd.....sorry i don't know what to say to help, sounds like a hardware issue not being able to access the ROM files correctly. i guess you could either sell or swap back to stock and try warranty..
Here's what I'd do.
Flash back to stock SPL, and reflash to same ROM as when you first got the phone, remember to hard reset after flash and remove SIM / SD cards etc.
If that doesn't work, maybe try flashing via SD card, but at that point I would replace under warranty.
If stock SPL fixes it you may want to ask in the HardSPL thread.
Hope this helps, good luck

Flashing a stock ROM first?

I've seen people say to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked one - why? Surely all the data from the last ROM is overwritten by the cooked ROM anyway, isn't it?
iridium21 said:
I've seen people say to flash a stock ROM before flashing a cooked one - why? Surely all the data from the last ROM is overwritten by the cooked ROM anyway, isn't it?
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I'm not sure about the TP2 but on the hermes it was always recommended for going from an extended storage rom to a normal rom. Might have just carried over since then.
Doesn't make a difference, its a myth. The flash chip gets rewritten.
petard said:
Doesn't make a difference, its a myth. The flash chip gets rewritten.[/QUOTE
If custom ROM without radio You should flash stock ROM first(if you would like to have it)
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petard said:
Doesn't make a difference, its a myth. The flash chip gets rewritten.
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Not a myth, at least to some devices like the diamond, HD and the HD2 where members who decide to skip this step are finding themselves with very unstable devices that often turn off or restart on there own.
Flashing a stock rom or using the mtty tool erasers any artifacts that can be left behind when flashing cooked roms.
Flashing Procedures I use:
• flash stock rom or mtty tool found in sig.
• flash cooked rom
• hard reset twice
Never had any issues from automatic resetting of any kind!
ive been flashing since the wizard, and probably after 20 phones ive never flashed stock rom first. i actually stop hard resetting to.
intruda119 said:
ive been flashing since the wizard, and probably after 20 phones ive never flashed stock rom first. i actually stop hard resetting to.
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As mentioned, some devices are more prone to it perhaps. There are a lot of threads that speak to members dealing with device resetting and other glitches and the remedy recommended is always the same.
For me, it's just habit now....
Only do this as a last ditch effort. Say u flash a custom rom, hard reset as u should, then configure the rom. But u seem to be getting odd screen freezes and problems that only u seem to get and not anyone else for that particular rom. U go into the thread of the rom asking and everyone says its just u. Well at this point u would flash stock rom, hard reset, flash same custom rom, hard reset, now the custom rom works perfect! Why? How th hell should i know? I just know what works!
I think that flashing a whole stock ROM each time is a bit over the top. If you want to be on the safe side, then do a hard reset on your old ROM, then flash the new ROM, then hard reset again. That should do as much as flashing the stock ROM would do.
I think main the benefit is because the CustomRUU doesn't perform a Hard Reset after flashing, where as the Stock RUU does.
Some people prefer to do a "task 29" nand format. Unless you've been flashing dodgy ROMs that go outside of where they are meant to then I think you'll be OK.
JM2c's
Dave
DaveShaw is the man so take his advice.
I have flashed over 40 ROMs (all from XDA or HTC) on my TP2 and I never flash back to stock. I have had no issues. I also did the same with my Tilt1.

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