Hi there,
Could anyone assist? I am trying to make a cab of personal settings to reset my registry settings to after a hard reset, but am having trouble with Permanent Save. I have contacts, appointments and tasks stored in the permanent area, and after I do a hard reset I can go into Permanent Save on the control panel, tick the boxes and all my contacts reappear and all is well.
However, if I take a snapshot of the registry before activating the tickboxes, and then afterwards and apply the differences, it overrights the existing data with nothing. The keys I have tried are
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\AdvancedCPL]
"CalendarPassCheck"=dword:00000001
"ContctPassCheck"=dword:00000001
"EnabledStateCalendar"=dword:00000001
"EnabledStateContact"=dword:00000001
"EnabledStateTask"=dword:00000001
"TASKPassCheck"=dword:00000001
It does work in ticking the boxes, but not in doing a restore - well only a restore to no data. Do I have to make some changes to any files as well?
Thanks!
Q.
Hello Q I'm in exactly the same boat, if you look at the \storage\persavebackup folder from you PC you'll see a bunch of files the saved info will look like TaskRecord.txt etc and yup they get overwriten with files of 0 value when I run my script and do a soft reset or add in new values.
I've tried copying files back into the persavebackup folder to see if they are then picked up but no joy - its very odd must be missing something.
I thought the entry HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Pim\schedID might be something to do with it as an entry is put in here when there is data saved with perm save but didnt seem to make any difference when I changed this.
if I get anywhere I'll post back.
Why would you want to use the permanent save anyway?
I mean, hey, xBackUp is there, innit?
help me please!
I have Qtek 9090 & install last version WM5 from XDA.
I have some problems like this:
Every time if battery replace (change the SIM for example) i lost e-mail account in messaging list, but in tooday screen i can see, that in ny inbox folder in my e-mail account (pop3) some unreaded messages! I can't access to this messages because no account in list!
If a try to make mail account with same name - it is not possible, because account name like this is persist allready!
Same problem wint my WiFi & GPRS settings:
I lost all settings in Wifi and lost user name and password in GPRS settings.
1. how i do to restore my email account in list in the Messaging (maybe in Registry change something?)
2. how i can solve the problem for the future?
(ssory for my english)
Solving the problem....
Maby some kind of backup will solve those problems....
Re: Solving the problem....
Surgical said:
Maby some kind of backup will solve those problems....
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No Data lost, i lost only account in messanger list. All data i recive on my notebook, but after replase the battery each time i need make new mail account. Hard reboot and reinstall all programs every time or full backup every time - not a good solving.
i have same problem as you?. does anyone know the solution...
No one help me yet
If you find some solution - say me please
i have a same problem. does any one sole it???
Ditto
My today screen now has 8 accounts on it all showing unread messages although i can only open one of them. I don't know how to get rid of them besides a hard rest which i dont want to do.
Surely there must be some solution as I will run out or screen if it happens any more
Hi,
Had exactly the same issue.
The problem for me was restoring the backup file created by Sprite.
I resolved my issue by not restoring the messaging dB's - and everything was OK - The reverse is make a backup but not the messaging dB's then restore.
Hope this helps somewhat.
Matt
Hi After doing some googling I found a tool that might help for some people but it didnt for me. someone else might ba able to shed some light
1) use the DBViewSP editor to go to cemail.vol
2) under that go to 'pmailNamedProps' and select it to edit the values
3) scroll down to the very last 2 values, which should be called 'UnreadCou...'
4) delete them
5) restart
Please if you do do this make a backup of your .vol file 'just in case'!
The full thread is here
http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=234264
Hi everyone,
I want to clean up the MyWords Database, but after a lot of different attempts, I can't figure how to do that.
I just want to delete some words that WM6 has saved but that were misspelled, or that are no longer usefull.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Best Regards.
i have the same problem on mine with WM5, i've looked everywhere, and havent found anything! If someone could shed a light....
settings /input/ word completion /clear stored entries?
autocorrect
isn't it autocorrect.[LanguageID].txt you have to edit ?
Yes it is:
settings /input/ word completion /clear stored entries
But isn't it possible to delete just the words that I want to delete? Because your proposal just deletes everything that has been stored,...
Hello Folks!
About 10 days ago, I got myself the brand new HTC Touch Pro 2 as - as a birthday present and to replace my old P3300 (Artemis) which was becoming more and more defective.
Some of you probably share the opinion that the Touch Pro 2 is a great piece of technical art - both the hardware and the software. I think HTC made a terrific job by inventing the appealing and intuitive TouchFlo 3D surface (TF3D) and knitting it so deeply into the Operating System (OS) of Windows Mobile (WM) that you will hardly get in touch with WM itself anymore.
As I eagerly startet to play with the device and to migrate my data from the old P3300, I got into deeeeeeep trouble: SMS were there and threaded, but only visible in the Messaging application of WM (Pocket Outlook) - no SMS visible neither in the Messages tab of a contact nor when tapping on the SMS in the basic Messages tab of TF3D. MMS not visible at all. As I wanted my MMS back and my messages to show up in the contacts, I started to investigate and looking for a solution.
I can assure you that I spent a lot of hours looking for solutions, in this forum as well as on the whole Web. I tried and learned a lot (I'm not a developer), but couldn't find a working approach. I called HTC, wrote to HTC and wrote to Arcsoft (the manufacturer of the MMS Composer on HTC devices) about a solution to correctly migrate all kind of messages to higher versions of WM. HTC replied pretty quickly, but did not have a solution for the issue: "[...] We have indeed been asking Microsoft for this for quite some time, and as far as we know, they are working on it. Indeed, there appear to be rumours that they have been working on adding SMS to PC backup to the next version of their Activesync/WMDC software for WIndows Mobile 6.5. [...]"
Therefore, I had to figure out how I could help myself. I found a way, and because it took me sooooooooo much time (!!!!), I would like to share this with you and possibly help to save your time. If you don't want all the background information, you can skip the sections "Starting position" and "Findings" in the next message and go to message 3.
Part 2: Starting Position and Findings
Starting position:
I had a Sprite backup of my messages (SMS, MMS, emails) from my old P3300 which was running on WM 6.0. As the P3300 was not working anymore, I had no other option than using this backup on my new Touch Pro 2. So, I tried to restore all mail-related items from this backup using Sprite - which created the above and below mentioned problems.
Until and including WM 6.0, MMS were saved in a separate account called "MMS". In WM 6.1, MMS are stored in the same account as the SMS ("SMS/MMS"). An existing MMS account in a cemail.vol file from WM 6.0 or earlier that is restored on WM 6.1 is not visible.
WM 6.1 introduces the new "Messages Threading" feature. Threading organizes received and sent text messages (and MMS because they're in the same account now) into threaded conversations.
Findings:
I have no clue why my SMS did not show up in the contacts of TF3D. I tried some approaches that I found on the Web and that might have been able to solve my problem, e.g. clearing all SMS/MMS and restore the messages with PIM Backup (link to proposal), or renaming cemail.vol resp. deleting it by placing a shortcut in the startup folder (link to proposal). None of these worked.
The cemail.vol file (container of all messages of all types) cannot be renamed or copied or moved. The only possibility I found is MortScript that can copy/backup the file during startup of the device before WM gets hold of the file. You can find the script itsself below.
In Pocket Outlook (Messaging), the MMS folder was gone. However, the folder showed up as an account in the email-tab of TF3D with sender, date and headline, but tapping on the message had no effect. PIM Backup (with action "Backup") also showed the MMS folder with all the subfolders and the correct number of MMS.
I could not find a solution or registry tweak to make the MMS account show up in Outlook.
The hidden WM6-MMS-account might look like corrupt to WM 6.1. If so, there could be a relation between the MMS issue and the problem of not having messages in a contact's messages tab because of old, "corrupt" data in the cemail.vol file. I have no proof that this assumption is true.
It is also possible that restoring an entire cemail.vol file somehow confuses the threading process in WM 6.1. I have no proof that this assumption is true.
PIM Backup is currently (V 2.8) not able to backup and restore MMS due to proprietary binary saving by Arcsoft's MMS Composer.
If you try to restore MMS with PIM Backup, the MMS shows up as MMS, but has no content when you open it. It seems as using PIM Backup on MMS makes the reference to the MMS content (each MMS has a dat-file in \My Documents\UAContents\MMS UA\) being lost. Backing up and restoring cemail.vol as a whole keeps these references.
As far as I understand, PIM Backup backs up/restores messaging by reading/writing them via Outlook interface. This is a different approach to just copying/replacing the entire cemail.vol and might be the reason for the above mentioned loss of MMS reference: Using the Outlook interface, each restored MMS might look like a new incoming MMS to MMS Composer, so it creates a new reference number for the dat-file.
I found that the binary Arcsoft-MMS data in cemail.vol could be considered as irrelevant: If you rename an existing dat-file with the new reference number that is created for a MMS restored with PIM Backup, the content of the MMS is shown as it should. This even works with text-mode based PIM Backups where there is no binary data included at all.
The binary backup mode of PIM Backup is faster than the text mode, but the text mode has 2 advantages: 1) The backup file is a zip-file containing csv-text-files which you can extract, read and edit. 2) From my point of view, the text mode is more reliable, particularly in backing up and restoring emails' contents.
Using Pocket dbExplorer, I tried to have a look into the cemail.vol file and extracted some content. I judged it as not feasible to figure out the layouts and contents of the various databases and records in order to alter cemail.vol directly.
Part 3: The solution and tools
Solution:
Based on my investigations and the findings above, I tried the following steps which finally worked and solved all my problems regarding the migration of messaging data. However, especially the MMS part is quite some work, so maybe someone has ideas on how to speed this up.
If you can't access your old device anymore, goto step 2. If you still can use your old device, you're luckier than I was and have a much easier process: Install PIM Backup on both your old and new device and create a text-mode based (deselect the 'Binary backup' option) backup of all your messages on the old device. Copy the following files to your storage card and goto step 5 after:
PIM Backup file
Folder "\My Documents\UAContents\" (dat-files with MMS content)
Folder "\Windows\Messaging\" (text and attachments of emails)
If you can't use your old device anymore, but you have a text-mode based PIM Backup file as well as the 2 folders mentioned in step 1 on your storage card, then you can skip the next steps and goto step 5.
If you have a backup of a backup software (like Sprite Backup), including the cemail.vol as well as the 2 folders mentioned in step 1, then do restore this backup on your new device now.
(Note: If you don't have access to your old device and no backup file, there's nothing to restore and you can start your life with your new device free of history . If you have a binary PIM Backup file, you can restore your SMS, but you won't be able to restore your MMS as described in this approach.)
Only if you have executed step 3: Install/start PIM Backup on your new device and create a text-mode based (deselect the 'Binary backup' option) backup of all your messages on your new device.
In WM 6.1 MMS are stored in the same account as SMS, so we need to alter the PIM Backup file a little to make sure that PIM Backup does not restore the MMS into a hidden account again:
Open the PIM Backup file like a ZIP file and extract the msgs_<date>.csm.
Open the csm file with any text editor.
To redirect your MMS in the MMS-Inbox to the Inbox of the SMS, replace all occurrences of the string "\\%MDF1";"MMS";"IPM.MMS1" by "\\MMS\\in";"SMS";"IPM.MMS".
To redirect your MMS in the MMS-Sent Items to the Sent Items of the SMS, replace all occurrences of the string "\\%MDF3";"MMS";"IPM.MMS1" by "\\MMS\\out";"SMS";"IPM.MMS".
(Note: If there are no occurrences of the above search strings, you can delete the "1" from "IPM.MMS1" and try again.)
Save the csm-file, place it back into the PIM Backup-ZIP-file and copy the backup-file to your storage card.
If your new device is not "fresh" and contains messages, then you need to delete the existing cemail.vol file in order to start with a fresh messaging-file that has no "legacy pollution" on your new device. As the file is locked during operation of the PPC, MortScript helps you to perform the deletion on startup:
Install MortScript on your new device.
Copy and extract the attached script (cemail.vol_backup-restore-delete.mscr in ZIP-file) to your computer. This script is based on hercule18's work (Thank you!). It didn't work on my device, so I fixed it and added two more options that we need for our purpose here.
The script backs up to and restores from the storage card. In the script, you find 3 occurrences of the word "Speicherkarte" which is the german translation of storage card. Open the script with any text editor and replace these 3 occurrences with the name of your storage card exactly as it shows up in the explorer on your new device.
Save the altered script, copy it to your new device and run it. Choose "Backup & Delete" or "Delete" (we won't need the old cemail.vol anymore, but maybe you feel better with a backup) and Reset Yes. When your device restarts, MortScript deletes the messaging file and WM replaces it with a fresh, empty one.
If you've manually copied the necessary directories with the MMS- and email-content (unlike step 3), you can copy these folders from your storage card to your device now:
Folder "\My Documents\UAContents\"
Folder "\Windows\Messaging\"
Now you are ready to start restoring all the messages. First you only restore the Inbox and Sent Items of SMS (text messages) in order to allow WM 6.1 the threading process (organizing received and sent items into conversation threads). Start PIM Backup, choose action "Restore" and load the text-mode based PIM Backup file that you've created before. Choose ONLY messages, and in the messages' options, only Inbox and Sent Items of the SMS/MMS-account. Go!
On completion of the restore, open Messaging (Start --> Messaging) and choose your SMS/MMS account. In the Inbox, you can watch WM now threading the messages. Give WM the time to complete this process until you feel that it's done and your device is reacting at normal speed again.
Check if TF3D shows the threaded messages if you click on a text message in the Messages tab or if you choose the Messages tab in a contact.
Start PIM Backup again, choose "Restore" and load your PIM Backup file again. Select ONLY messages, and in the messages' options, select all other folders of the SMS/MMS-account, EXCEPT Inbox and Sent Items. In the last dialogue, choose "Add messages..." Go!
If you want to restore email-accounts, you have to create this accounts in Messaging/Outlook first, because PIM Backup does not restore to accounts that don't exist. After creating the corresponding accounts, you can restart PIM Backup, "Restore", load your PIM Backup file and select all the folders of the email-accounts you want. Make sure you choose "Add..." instead of "Delete..." in the last dialogue!
Finally, we need to recreate the reference between the restored MMS and the MMS-dat-files in "\My Documents\UAContents\". This is how I did it:
Create a list of your dat-files with name, date and size, using the attached Excel-Sheet (MMS-Renaming.xls in ZIP-file). To populate the sheet with your data, you can access your storage card (where you have a copy of the above mentioned directory) with your computer and create a text-file by --> Start --> Execute --> "cmd" --> navigate to the drive and directory with your dat-files (e.g. E:\My Documents\UAContents\MMS UA\) --> "dir >list.txt". Copy the content of the list.txt into the xls-sheet and put the data into the right columns (yellow columns). Order by date (descending).
Connect your device to your computer via ActiveSync and open an explorer window showing the content of \My Documents\UAContents\MMS UA\ on your device (not on the storage card!).
Now you have to find out the new reference number that MMS Composer is looking for when you open an MMS. If you did the above steps (altering and restoring the PIM Backup file) correctly, you can find your MMS in the subfolders MMS\in and MMS\out in your SMS/MMS account. Navigate into these folders in Messaging/Outlook, order by date (descending) and do the following steps for each MMS:
Open the MMS (it doesn't show any content).
While leaving the MMS open, refresh the explorer window on your pc, showing the content of the MMS UA folder.
Now you will see that a new folder appeared - the name of this folder is the new reference number we are looking for.
Find the right row in the xls-sheet (same date and size as the open MMS) and note the new reference number in the green column (only number, no ".dat"-suffix).
When your xls-sheet is complete, you have a list of MortScript-commands in column F. These commands will rename your dat-files with the correct number so that MMS Composer will find its targets. Put the content of column F (without the title in row 1) into a normal text file and save it as "mms-renaming.mscr".
Close Messaging/Outlook.
Copy the mms-renaming.mscr to your device and start it. The script runs only a few milliseconds and does not inform you about completion.
You're DONE! When you open an MMS now, you should see its content as it used to be.
Mentioned tools for the solution:
PIM Backup (Freeware)
MortScript (Freeware)
Other tools mentioned:
Sprite Backup (Commercial)
Pocket dbExplorer (Commercial)
Part 4: A looot of questionmarks!
Open Questions:
Maybe someone has an idea on how to speed up this process, particularly step 13?
Could Arcsoft save the reference number as a normal field in cemail.vol instead of in binary blobs? This would allow PIM Backup to backup and restore this reference and would save us all the renaming hassle.
Why the heck do I have to do this? I pay to buy a working phone, I'm not paid to make the phone working!!! My job is in IT, too, and I learned so far that migration is a very important part of producing software. Why does migration apparently not count for upgrades in PPC-software/-OS? Why do I as a customer have to spent so much time to find a workaround for this bloody problem? In this case, 3 companies are involved: HTC, Microsoft and Arcsoft. It would be fairly easy for these people to implement a migration mechanism that stores the customer's important data in a file format of the current OS's/software's specification and restores the data on the new version considering the changes in the new version. So, why don't they do it??? I have no understanding at all for this!!!
As a loyal customer who buys products from the same manufacturer again (HTC in this case), can I expect to have support and solutions that help me to migrate my data when buying a new device? Or is that a completely weird expectation?
Remark:
I really have already lost a lot of time on this issue. I've created this thread to maybe save you some time in case you have the same problems, but for me, the issue is now closed. I won't spend more time and ask you for your understanding that I will not be able to give any support or answer questions. In case of further questions, please search the forum and the Web. All I can say is that the manufacturers should take the bait and do their homework. Migration counts - life (and life is a lot about communication and interaction) is not a game that restarts from scratch only because I buy a new PPC or upgrade my software!
Thanks
This post was really helpfull. I was not migrating from wm5 to wm 6, but was just looking for a solution to restore my MMSs after a rom upgrade.
What a neglected Problem
Thanks Vivalis !!! I stopped looking for a "quick fix" once your post was read.
I could not believe HTC, MicroSoft and/or ArcSoft didn't provide for backing up/restoring important user data when migrating or performing an OS upgrade or firmware update, etc.
Not only is MMS not restored, but all the MicroSoft One-Note files are lost (not backed up by ActiveSync - my wife nearly beat me to death - and I got the phone to make her happy). I later found these are saved in the Windows directory on the mobile device (HTC XV6900) and not with other MicroSoft documents for some reason.
MicroSoft/ActiveSync needs to get up to speed with these mobile phones. Messaging is what it is all about! People like to have their messages!
Dear Vivalis,
I can not describe how I thank you for your thread. I was seeking for days to find a solution to move my MMS from my ORBIT to the DIAMOND. I succesfully moved them with your "guide". But it was a bit complicated to me to understand all steps because English is not my native language. I spent some hours (every day a few) and today I finished with success. Now my memories which are very important to me are on my DIAMOND.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Best regards from Bremen (Germany)!
Reason why MortScript probably didn't restore and the fix
I was migrating from a failed HTC Touch Pro (Mobile 6.1) to a second one (keyboard when out on the first) and wanted to get the cemail.vol to the new phone. The MortScript backed up my 5meg cemail.vol from the old phone with no problem. BUT when I went to restore it on the second phone, I got xcopy errors. Looking at the script I noticed there "Restore" / Case 2 scripting the second line did not have double quotes around the root directory back slash. I edited it to read:
rest = "XCopy (""Storage Card\cemail.vol"" , ""\"" , 1)"
Storage Card being the part that needs to match the name of your flash disk name.
I ran this script and all my sms and mms messages now show up on my new phone.
I had previously copied the folders
Folder "\My Documents\UAContents\" (dat-files with MMS content)
Folder "\Windows\Messaging\" (text and attachments of emails)
to this device, so I"m sure that is why the MMS messages still have their photos attached to those messages.
I hope this helps people out!
Cheers!
Cool trick!
V useful post. Thanks a bunch for the info.
I was looking for a way to get the images out of the .dat files from a backup when I found this post. After reading this I was able to recover some images I wanted from just the back up of UA Contents\MMS UA .dat files with no MMS/PIM backup or folders available.
Step 1 Send yourself an MMS with an image attached. (This is because you can only save the image from an MMS you have received, not from a draft copy!)
Step 2 Open up the MMS you've just received from yourself!
Step 3 Peek at the MMS UA folder on your device - look for the folder made of numbers that matches that of a .dat file. (Neat trick that helped me find the dat file I needed out of all the files in that folder! Cheers Vivalis.)
Step 4 Close the MMS
Step 5 Rename the .dat file you want to recover to the numbers of the magic folder you just spotted and copy it over the top of the .dat file of the same name.
Step 6 Open the MMS with hey presto your recovered image.
Step 7 Save your image from the MMS.
Repeat steps 4 to 7 for as many .dat files you need to get your precious pics from and viola! Now I no longer use MMS to store my pics - I always save the attachment to the Storage Card as soon as I get them and delete the mms. Ya never know when that phone is gonna crash next..
Vivalis said:
Solution:
If you can't access your old device anymore, goto step 2. If you still can use your old device, you're luckier than I was and have a much easier process: Install PIM Backup on both your old and new device and create a text-mode based (deselect the 'Binary backup' option) backup of all your messages on the old device. Copy the following files to your storage card and goto step 5 after:
PIM Backup file
Folder "\My Documents\UAContents\" (dat-files with MMS content)
Folder "\Windows\Messaging\" (text and attachments of emails)
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hello i need to migrate sms and mms from windows mobile 6 to 6.1, the same problem you describe in your guide, but i have a great problem, i can't find the dir UAContents with the data of my mms. I have a lot of mms but My Documents folder does not contain a folder UAContents... Why ? Thanks in advance for your help....
I'm in deep doudou, I backed up my phone using PIM backup (binary) then gave the phone to somebody. Then I restored my stuff into my new phone, the sms were there and so were the emails (that's what I thought) but then later during the day I tried opening my email and to my surprise the emails were there but when I opened them they were blank. Every single email that was restored was blank so I'm stressing I got the phone back and copied the folders specified here but the person I gave the phone to had already deleted a lot of the emails. What are my options?... I tried doing the instructions above and couldn't get it to work. plzz help!
Folder "\My Documents\UAContents\" (dat-files with MMS content)
Folder "\Windows\Messaging\" (text and attachments of emails)
THanks for the good tips in the thread really useful
I have another qn, currently am trying to migrate a HTC Tytn2 on WM6 to HTC HD2 - WM6.5
i find the phone cannot complete the copying of sms and typically dies halfway..
i have about 6000 sms in the inbox and 1800sms in the sent box and about 10 mms
will this consitute any problem for WM6.5? Anyone with experience of handling such large number of sms ?
will the threaded sms feature impact my transfer?
thanks!
I wish I've looked around and found this thread sooner ..M$ is such a capitalist.. why don't they let people make free stuff to take care of problems that people went through everyday because of their lack of customer service?
how can transfer Windows Mobile SMS - MMS from windows mobile 6.1 to iPhone iOS 6?
1) where are the Palringo settings stored (userid/password in particular)?
2) Where are the SmartLock settings stored?
3) I am not getting my email and attachments to load to my SD card. I am using the technique (I believe) that has been well documented. I update my registry (via Sashimi) with the entries (below) and the reboot, and then do the XML provision for the email accounts (also Sashimi). The emails are getting stored on my main Storage, so I'm not downloading attachments. The folders are present on the SD card, but not getting populated.
email registry settings:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Inbox\Mail Settings]
"AttachPath"="\\Storage Card\\Mail\\Attach"
"PropertyPath"="\\Storage Card\\Mail"
thanks
Theres an app out there called CeRegEditor, it allows you to backup and compare your registry.
I've used this app many times to find out where a program saves login info and other settings.
you simply back up your registry onto your computer before you log on, or do whatever changes you want to find.
Then log in to palringo, and once you've dont that, in CeRegEditor, you compare your phones registry to the one backedup
It will point out to you the differences in the two registries allowing you to find a lot of useful info.
or you could just open a reg editor on your device and search for "palringo" and go through to see if you spot your logon info.
best of luck
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that worked very well for Palringo. I knew that and was apparently just being lazay. Smartlock appears to be saving settings from flash to flash now, not sure why (I started installing it to the SD card, so it must have settings stored there somewhere).
Still confused about why my email isn't saving to the SD card. I'm sure those settings used to work, but maybe that was for an earlier Windows or Manila.