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No Deepfish? Try minimo instead...

Like many others, I was too late for the Deepfish beta (got the cab, couldn't activate)
Came across this little item on a news article and am about to install onto my shiny black ROM. Says for WM5, but will give it a shot anyway:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
Anyone else got this/ssen this?
Paul

Tried it, more like Mini-slow.

erm - you know what, you're right.
What a pile of poo - google wouldn't even load properly!

I used opera, but it wasn't too much better.
Now I've got PIE plus from www.reensoft.com. lets you do tabbed browsing and more.

I agree
I've tried every single browser out there. Minimo is by far the slowest with loading. I didn't even try out all of its functionality because I couldn't handle how slow it was going. One nice option is the beta version from Opera. Right now you can download it without any limitation on the time you can use for and it's free. Give it a shot. I guarantee that you will like it more than Minimo.

Try this overview of everything that can view a webpage for Windows Mobile.

The Opera 8.65 beta expires on June 1st.

I think the opera beta plays on for existing users.

picsel browser
I have just starting using Picsel Browser which has been extracted into a cab file from a samsung win mob 5 phone and is floating around on the internet (i had to brave howardforums to get it). I think its excellent, has the same graphical premise as deepfish, but with plenty of other features.

Also make sure you don't miss my UPDATED Web Browsing Bible ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=301009 ); now, it also contains a Picsel review!

Scrog said:
Tried it, more like Mini-slow.
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LOL... No ****.

memory eating
Is it just me or is minimo somewhat memory heavy?

Opera 9.33 Beta version

Download it from here (free registration required)
Will be posting a review soon. If you want to see the review of NetFront's new version, read this.
Regards,
Carty..

9,5 beta already exists.

When will you be posting the review?

I think NetFront is a little better but Im not 100% sure with these beta versions. In Opera some links were not opening but I felt very comfortable with NetFront. Read NetFront' review here (including video)
Regards,
Carty..

Yeah, I saw that one in the first post. Thank for the review of Netfront.
But now I'm looking forward to your Opera review.
Considering that Opera is a pre-alpha or something while Netfront is an actual official beta(?), if Netfront comes out only slightly ahead of Opera, then I'm guessing that the final version of Opera, where bugs and stuff are fixed and features are properly implemented, will beat Netfront
Semi-OT: I'm intrigued by the memory usage section of your Netfront review. I wonder if Opera is better at handling multiple "tabs".

Hmmm .... 9.5 Beta has no text rendering as Opera Mini 4 does .... am I missing something or is it cause it is beta version. The performance is not bad, though again Mini 4 is much faster and lighter on memory. I hope at least that 9.5 will bring some power browsing features integrated.

I dont get why everyone harps on about Opera and Netfront, etc. and hates PIE. I have PIE Plus installed along with the PIE slow scroll fix and it run like a dream.... full desktop browsing, multiple tabs, fast scrolling with both scrollbars and finger scrolling, reasonable memory consumption, I just dont really see the problem with PIE.

EazyVG said:
Hmmm .... 9.5 Beta has no text rendering as Opera Mini 4 does
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What do you mean? The text wrapping? I saw a video of the UIQ version, and it actually did the text wrapping thing so text blocks could be viewed without horizontal scrolling.
The performance is not bad, though again Mini 4 is much faster and lighter on memory.
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Opera Mini is a 100K Java app which doesn' handle the page rendering itself. Most of the hard work is done by a server. Opera Mobile is a full, standalone browser which does everything on your phone.

Carty said:
Download it from here (free registration required)
Will be posting a review soon. If you want to see the review of NetFront's new version, read this.
Regards,
Carty..
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Registration not possible

Any news on an Opera review?

I don't think I can write a review of Opera' pre-release version. NetFront pre-release was much more complete or close to their final release. Opera hasn't officially made this version available for test/review and the leaked version seems to have poor performance, poor navigation (no easy menu access and almost no way to exit the application). Hope their final version is much improved to compete.
Regards,
Carty..

Does Opera Mini web browser work with tmobile tp2????

Wondering if anyone has been able to install and successfully operate opera mini. This is one of my favorite browsers. When I installed the cab file it didnt load. I then went to the site and tried to download it and it would not open. If anyone has been able to do this or if you are able to find a solution I would be very grateful if you posted a working cab of the browser here in this thread. Thanks in advance!

Yes. it's my browser of choice, although the Jblend java manager sucks. hold on while i find the cab for you
*edit*
download the Opera Mini - large fonts (VGA) cab and put on your phone. You don't need the opera mini tweaks.
This will install Jbed java manager & install Opera Mini for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398567

Thanks for the quick response. I went to the link and attempted downloading the cab. The cab file says its 2.90mb but for some reason my tp2 is only dling 1.37mb. So the cab is not working. Anyway you can post the cab file here so I can download it direct? I need another source cause that site isnt cooperating with my phone.

Try Opera Mobile Beta 9.7. It has Turbo. The thing is FAST!!!

I have Opera Mobile. I would like Opera Mini. I just cant seem to download the entire cab from that site

unfortunately the cab is too big to upload. download it from that thread on to your computer & then move it to your phone

wow that sucks. i am going to try downloading it with my Kaiser then. My computer is currently down and awaiting repair so I am screwed for the moment. I cant even flash a new rom :-(

dkb218 said:
Try Opera Mobile Beta 9.7. It has Turbo. The thing is FAST!!!
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+1 for this!
mini is for smaller and simpler smartphones

dkb218 said:
Try Opera Mobile Beta 9.7. It has Turbo. The thing is FAST!!!
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but the zoom bar does not work. Any other way to zoom in?

leckig said:
but the zoom bar does not work. Any other way to zoom in?
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that's why i went with Mini, since the scroll bar doesn't work. Plus i love the syncing bookmarks feature.

I just gave 9.7 beta a try and to be honest I didn' notice a speed boost over the Opera browser that already comes packaged with the tp2. Even with turbo on i noticed nothing. Also its a very glitchy beta version. I miss mini :-( I will probably try the 9.7 once its finished but I still believe mini is the fastest.

The Great Malaki said:
I just gave 9.7 beta a try and to be honest I didn' notice a speed boost over the Opera browser that already comes packaged with the tp2. Even with turbo on i noticed nothing. Also its a very glitchy beta version. I miss mini :-( I will probably try the 9.7 once its finished but I still believe mini is the fastest.
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I agree, the one that is installed is perfectly fine and you dont have to worry about all these bugs

Just wanted to thank you again for posting the cab. I was finally able to download it using internet exploer and its working great. Just my 2 cents, 3g plus opera mini equals fastest mobile internet experience ever only to be rivaled by wifi which is not so mobile.

You're welcome. I hear ya buddy, I like Opera Mini more than any of the other mobile browsers except Safari. I still use it even though I have full 3G & could Opera Mobile, but Mobile just sucks, right along with IE.

xnifex said:
Yes. it's my browser of choice, although the Jblend java manager sucks.
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What are the trade-offs between using Jblend vs. Jbed?
It's been a while since I've used Jbed. I remember it had a background mode, which Jblend still doesn't have. And I'm not crazy about how Jblend throws a wobbly when I change screen orientation.
But, beyond that I don't know how the Jblend version on the TP2 compares with the current Jbed. I haven't found any good comparisons that were less than a year or two old. Even the MIDlet Bible is out of date now.
I don't have a particular attachment to Jblend, but saying it "sucks" isn't a real compelling argument against it. Are there any real performance comparisons you're aware of between Jblend and other JVMs?

I base my statement off the fact that if you open/close the keyboard, the whole thing crashes/resets/whatever... That right there was the deal breaker.

orb3000 said:
+1 for this!
mini is for smaller and simpler smartphones
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I use mini instead of 9.7b w/ turbo.
Why:
Mini is an order of magnitude faster in real life.
9.7b is still buggy as hell, often crashing.
Scrolling on 9.7b is painfully slow and redraws take a long time compared to Mini Opera.
Granted, one must install the above linked JBED+signed Opera Mini+associated quick link to get anywhere near usable installation of Opera Mini, and even after that one has to tweak the font size.
But once this is done, there's no contenst - at least for me. Mini Opera is waaaay faster than Opera 9.7b with turbo enabled.

Faster is not always better
both mini and mobile are great versions of the browser
what I like more from mobile is that is more complete more similar to a laptop browser, yes mini is faster but I still prefer opera mobile!
I have plenty of free memory and RAM to run it smoothly
And let´s wait to have the final stable release! that would be great!
just my opinion,

Mini is not just a little bit faster, its a lot faster. At least for me it is. Sure Mobile has more of a desktop look and feel and offers a more complete webpage experience. Thing is I dont need all the fancy flash animations and things of that nature when I am just trying to quickly check a website like this forum. I have both mini and mobile in case I have a problem with a certain site and even mobile gave me problems which made me resort to IE just to download a cab file.
I do have one problem though. Anyway to make the images larger on mini? I dled the hi res version as suggested and now all pics and certain buttons are very tiny. I tried settings and changed the image quality but this did nothing for the image size. Any solution?

xnifex said:
I base my statement off the fact that if you open/close the keyboard, the whole thing crashes/resets/whatever... That right there was the deal breaker.
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Yeah, that's definitely a nuisance, but so far it hasn't been a deal breaker for me. I use TouchPal as an on-screen keyboard most of the time, although I wouldn't give up the TP2 keyboard...when I feel the need for it, it's great. I still don't know if I'd label Jblend with "sucks", since I don't know how its performance compares overall, but if I changed orientations a lot when browsing and had to keep re-running Opera Mini, I'd be switching JVMs too!

Opera Mini 5 + TP2 = :)

http://www.opera.com/mini/next/
I used OM4 for years on a i760 but this new beta version 5 is just amazing on a Tp2. Highly recommended.

I prefer the Opera Mobile 9.7
it works great on my Rhodium!

currently using OMini 4.2 with Esmertec Jbed Java client. love it. better than OMobile or PIE in my opinion

xnifex said:
currently using OMini 4.2 with Esmertec Jbed Java client. love it. better than OMobile or PIE in my opinion
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Truth! it is just sooooo much faster, there's no comparison. And Mini5 has a LOT of nice new stuff, including thumbnails of favorite sites, *no more separate text entry field* (yay!), more robust bookmark tools, and ...well, more.
NOTE: On a Tp2 I first installed this VGA version of E-Jbed before DLing the Mini5 Beta, but I think the old version will work too:
http://www.mediafire.com/?qwhoqymytjj
and then DL this from your TP2:
http://www.opera.com/mini/next/
Enjoy!

I've used both mini and mobile before...
I gotta say that for a big juicy screen and a phone with enough RAM, mobile and its extra features is just a better choice IMO.
but to each his own.
anything is better than IE. Skyfire even, or fennec.

browsers on tp2
rajuabju said:
I've used both mini and mobile before...
anything is better than IE. Skyfire even, or fennec.
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Sometimes only IE will work on some sites ... and if there is video or audio streaming embedded in a page Skyfire + wifi or 3.5g is pretty much the way to go.
I have struggled with 9.7opera - I like it but it makes the phone a lot less stable.
Try www.tvcatchup.com on skyfire! (from the uk only tho I think)
(its not as polished as iphone.tvcatchup.com but it works!)

SkyFire 1.5 dead

Just wanted to inform everyone that skyfire 1.5 will be officially dead on December 31st. Guess they like the money more than those of us who helped get it to that point.
Anyway, I have switched over to Iris, and found it much better. just wanted to let you guys know.
this may be a good place to list some of your favorite browsers as well, so if you got one that you like, share the wealth!

I am using UC browser and it's fine
also opera 10 but there is a problem with shortcuts
I AM using B7320

stone-dead

JerryA said:
Just wanted to inform everyone that skyfire 1.5 will be officially dead on December 31st. Guess they like the money more than those of us who helped get it to that point.
Anyway, I have switched over to Iris, and found it much better. just wanted to let you guys know.
this may be a good place to list some of your favorite browsers as well, so if you got one that you like, share the wealth!
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This is not news. They might as well have said they would stop support on DEC. 9, 2009 when they released SKYFIRE 1.5. They have done nothin but lie to their supporters since then. Everytime they would release an update for Android they would turn WM support of for the weekend and say it was for maitanence. Then turned us off for three weeks for IPHONE. I can't blame em for goin after money but they could've been honest with us.

Anyone know any mobile browsers with flash support? I found one but don't really like how the videos play

It won't be until December. It is now. Skyfire no longer works on my phone. It simply gives me a pop-up box that says Skyfire will be no longer supported, but it will not go further. It simply closes out.
I loved Skyfire, but now I guess I am on the hunt for a new mobile browser.
[using WM6.5 standard at the moment]

Same thing here, I needed to get the non-mobile view of Delta Airlines website (for some reason, Opera and IE render mobile even though I have Desktop View set) and it said can't connect.
Strange, they only say v1.0 support ending, nothing about v1.5 being turned off. Unless the meant 1.x instead of 1.0, but that's not what they put.
So...any other equally good browsers (preferably with flash & other embedded streaming support) that will work on WM6.5?
-Matt
Verizon HTC Touch Pro2

mmiller7 said:
Same thing here, I needed to get the non-mobile view of Delta Airlines website (for some reason, Opera and IE render mobile even though I have Desktop View set) and it said can't connect.
Strange, they only say v1.0 support ending, nothing about v1.5 being turned off. Unless the meant 1.x instead of 1.0, but that's not what they put.
So...any other equally good browsers (preferably with flash & other embedded streaming support) that will work on WM6.5?
-Matt
Verizon HTC Touch Pro2
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Support for all WM versions will end on DEC. 31st. They will never develop another build for our devices. Our only chance of using Skyfire in 2011 will be by porting the ANDROID builds or somehow hacking the Skyfire servers but I doubt these things will ever happen. I recomend trying UZARD for a flash enabled browser but its only in beta release. I think they have also walked away from WM. They were supposed to release two versions which have been advertised on their site for at least 11 months but never released them. I don't think UZARD will turn off support but I would not expect another build. There is videos and reviews of UZARD WEB S & UZARD WEB H from back in FEB. 2010 but they never came out as I stated before probable cause they were focused on WP7. They have released builds for ANDROID & BLACKBERRY but haulted the WM builds. Oh well maybe one of the great developers on here will build a flash browser, thats our best chance of having a flash browser in the future that would be updatable.

try uZardweb...the function is almost the same like skyfire..

zanpaktao said:
try uZardweb...the function is almost the same like skyfire..
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THANK YOU!
This is the first browser like SkyFire I've seen that actually works and still supports Windows Mobile! I can once again view sites that require streaming embedded video and flash!
It would be nice if the toolbars would minimize to full-screen, but I can live without that as long as it keeps working.
Anyone who wants a link, here it is:
http://www.uzard.com/en/down/download_windowsmobile.asp

Will give it a try!

zanpaktao said:
try uZardweb...the function is almost the same like skyfire..
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Thak you zanpaktao!
For those of you kind of disapointed of SKYFIRE, I tested the uZard Web Beta Ver.2.0
Excelent choice...

Just installed uZard and I'm very impressed
I used skyfire for a while but since the release of the iphone ver and their servers broke, I switched back to opera, But now I can watch my flash vids in my browser again
Thanks for that!

Honestly, I will never use Skyfire on another Mobile OS because of how they treated their WinMo user base.