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When this happend in the hero section about the eclair update the active mod deleted all these stupid rumor threads about the update and made one sticky at the top of the page where everyone could discuss the latest rumours without it affecting day to day forum busness, he also made it clear that any other threads about the update would be deleted!! can we not do this here too? do we even have a mod? every other thread seems to be about it we are along way from a froyo update i think, not only do htc have to get sence workin on a whole new os, there gunna want to make a new radio, hboot and recovery just like every other update, that means were months away from the update not days like some ppl think, can we please sort this out befor the desire forum gets ruined with spam
Congratulations on starting another one.
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Congratulations on starting another one.
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this thread has nothing to do with froyo, its trying to get mods to clean up the desire section
i'm inclined to agree with this sentiment, we should have a discussion thread and then once its finally released we can have as many as we want
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I have to agree with this. You have just opened a pointless thread to have a rant. The fact froyo is in the title, people will now use it to discuss why it's not out, and when they will have it, and whether or not it will make their washing machine spin faster.
If you feel so strongly about the threads, then use the report a post button and bring them to the mods attention.
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I have to agree with this. You have just opened a pointless thread to have a rant. The fact froyo is in the title, people will now use it to discuss why it's not out, and when they will have it, and whether or not it will make their washing machine spin faster.
If you feel so strongly about the threads, then use the report a post button and bring them to the mods attention.
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its not a rant its an idea, and its 10 times more productive than urs and that other blokes post, fyi you cant report a post unless its spam or breaking the rules
I'm fairly sure that the rules state you should read and search before posting, all the pointless froyo threads would fall into that category.
Report away
that rule would count for half the posts on the website tho lol plus the search sucks on xda, ive spent hours searching for a thread that i knew existed lol
This is a good idea. It works well on other forums - Ubuntu forums, for instance, have a 'recurring discussions' section for each forum where similar threads are bunched together (usually *****ing about Mono, or comparing Ubuntu to OSX/Windows).
What we really need is a "Rumours" subforum, for all the b/s Froyo/Update threads!
That way, they can still be posted, but I can safely ignore them!
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Dave
Some such solution would be very welcome. Currently, it is quite pathetic.
As for the search before posting... every second/third day I'm seeing the same issues with new threads here. This is the worst I've seen on any well established forum since 1999 back in the Icrontic days. On the last such occurrence, the OP says he's searched and read countless threads while two threads below covers the same issue perfectly. This is just inane.
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How stupid. If people want to start a thread, than its upto them. Post away all froyo froyo..... froyo
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I totally agree about deleting all the pointless threads.
Some of them are from stupid newbies who are too lazy to even look 2 threads down let alone do an actual search!
Froyo threads should be deleted and anyone starting one until HTC makes an announcement should get a week ban.
There is already a FROYO discussion thread which is fine to discuss the OS / features etc, but not constant posts by idiots asking for release dates and what not.
I agree... i think we should stop all this speculation regarding the official OTA update of Froyo on the Desire. It has recently been confirmed that the update will be around Q3 of this year, and i think it's pointless for people to continue to post threads about it. We just have to be a little more patient and hope it will arrive in time.
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I would more than welcome a stronger hand by the moderators. Failing that, a chit-chat/rumors section, but I think if people are so dumb to post this stuff 10x times, they are bound as well to post it in the wrong section (see the degree of spamming of the development section).
And NO - this thread is very useful and relevant, I would have started myself
Sorry, just tripped over this thread. Is Froyo out yet? I heard it was due to be released on the 29th Feb next year.
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Hi sort of agree, however this is the 'General' desire forum - where anything can be discussed! But yes a rumour or one thread for rumours update at the top may help.
However where do you draw the line??? look how many other threads repeat the same things!
I dont think its so bad in general section - I sort of expect it here - plus freedom of speach and no forum gestapo is nice
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Sorry, just tripped over this thread. Is Froyo out yet? I heard it was due to be released on the 29th Feb next year.
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The lastes new from htc is that the froyo rollout will start sometime during, the 3rd quater of this year
Moderation on this forum is poor - there are so many repetative threads that its becomming full of the same old thing day after day. Many are not adhering to the rules of the forum - search first and if you dont find your answer then ask! Carrying out searchs on this forum now means that information is spread across so many discussion threads that it becomes non effective; maybe a reason why new threads are now starting up each day asking the same question?
In order to ensure this forum is useful, comprehensive and easy to search, surely its not too much to ask?
Just a thought - i dont think i have ever seen a mod edit, apart from moving of a thread - not like the HD2 forum!
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Moderation on this forum is poor - there are so many repetative threads that its becomming full of the same old thing day after day. Many are not adhering to the rules of the forum - search first and if you dont find your answer then ask! Carrying out searchs on this forum now means that information is spread across so many discussion threads that it becomes non effective; maybe a reason why new threads are now starting up each day asking the same question?
In order to ensure this forum is useful, comprehensive and easy to search, surely its not too much to ask?
Just a thought - i dont think i have ever seen a mod edit, apart from moving of a thread - not like the HD2 forum!
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when i used to have a htc hd, the forum had two mods and they was always about, and they used to comment on threads and keep the forum clean ect, i dont think xda give a **** about the android forums
why in the hell is it so hard to put a question in the Q&A forum instead of the development forum? i don't get it. wtf is the deal with some of you people?
Not only that, but questions that can be easily answered with a simple search.
i believe this should be in general
I upgraded from an eris to a Droid x. Can you help me root and get free aps? -thanks in advance.
luvit
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I upgraded from an eris to a Droid x. Can you help me root and get free aps? -thanks in advance.
luvit
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rolflmao...
Maybe we should all dedicate at least a week to intensely answering questions here and ignoring them in the dev section. perhaps people would get it. or maybe punish them for posting in the wrong forum (i know some forums have a probation setting so you don't have to ban them, they just can't post for a certain amount of time or something)
Most people posting in the wrong section are here for quick answers and prob dont read the site too much. You won't change anything, there are hordes of them.
Morph, this is a forum. This is where everyone anonymously shows how less awesome they are than you. Each post should increase your awesomeness.
It's hard to deal with but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. lol
Oh and as long as there are new people who don't read the rules we will always have this problem. Sounds like the probation suggestion might be a way to battle this problem.
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why in the hell is it so hard to put a question in the Q&A forum instead of the development forum? i don't get it. wtf is the deal with some of you people?
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Honestly, just no one should answer any questions that are created in the Dev section. The only thing that should be posted if one is made is that it is not in the correct forum. People always complain that "people are so mean", thats not the case. It's about reading the rules and using common sense.
You post a QUESTION in the Q&A section, no one can be "mean" about you posting it there, thats why we have a Q&A forum... for questions that need answers.
I'm a bit confused. I was wanting to post a response to this forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1076150&page=233
... and the forum said that I couldn't post to it until I had posted 10 posts total.
However, the last person to post to this forum had only posted ONE post.
?????
Users who joined before the restriction were "grand fathered" in, allowing them to post with less than 10 posts.
Can I just mention that I think this is a silly restriction?
I've been developing code for almost 35 years, and to restrict me from posting to a developers forums until I post 10 posts in other forums is frankly ...
silly ... not to metion useless.
What's to prevent a 12-year old with TONS of time on his hands, to post 10 times in one day and circumvent your restriction.
Whereas, serious developers, like me, are interferred with and hampered.
Wow.
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Can I just mention that I think this is a silly restriction?
I've been developing code for almost 35 years, and to restrict me from posting to a developers forums until I post 10 posts in other forums is frankly ...
silly ... not to metion useless.
What's to prevent a 12-year old with TONS of time on his hands, to post 10 times in one day and circumvent your restriction.
Whereas, serious developers, like me, are interferred with and hampered.
Wow.
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My friend, this has been covered time and time (and time) again. If you've developed code for thirty-something years, you have the skills and the nouse to help ten members in the Q&A thread. Then you can post in a Dev forum.
Even Linus Torvalds' first post shouldn't be in a Development forum.
I was able to post before but now restricted to post... Now I am trying to meet the requirement.
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I'm a bit confused. I was wanting to post a response to this forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1076150&page=233
... and the forum said that I couldn't post to it until I had posted 10 posts total.
However, the last person to post to this forum had only posted ONE post.
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Try to check your email and click on the url sent to you by the admin, to complete your registration.
oh my oh my oh my oh my oh my....
Does nobody read anything anymore....
Pick any thread in this section and theres a very high chance that it will be another "whaa whaaa whaa I can't post yet" thread...
That is why the rule is there...
I know this isn't helpful and didn't answer your question but it really has been answered so many times theres no need to do so....
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oh my oh my oh my oh my oh my....
Does nobody read anything anymore....
Pick any thread in this section and theres a very high chance that it will be another "whaa whaaa whaa I can't post yet" thread...
That is why the rule is there...
I know this isn't helpful and didn't answer your question but it really has been answered so many times theres no need to do so....
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We're fighting a losing battle, bud.
really? 10 posts restriction for all newbies? i am very new
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really? 10 posts restriction for all newbies? i am very new
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Yes, for the development forums. Too many new members are posting pointless questions that have been asked 100's of times before and cluttering th threads, or just posting thanks. There are Q&A forums for questions you need to ask, and maybe answer a few to get your post count up.
So why are we the only forum that has to have 40 generals for each rom, why are we not like every other phone where the chat about the rom is done in development? I feel this could alleviate a lot of the "RentaMods." Since i found it to be an easy way to find solutions to many issues... for example the galaxy nexus there roms they don't have 5 different threads for one rom... guess where people talk about the developers rom... in the developer thread... guys i know this is earth-shattering stuff... but let's just keep it simple one thread one rom.
I await my ban with GLORY, but i consider this development since it is essential to our community at e4gt xda since it is causing problems between many users.
this rom is the bomb!!
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So why are we the only forum that has to have 40 generals for each rom, why are we not like every other phone where the chat about the rom is done in development? I feel this could alleviate a lot of the "RentaMods." Since i found it to be an easy way to find solutions to many issues... for example the galaxy nexus there roms they don't have 5 different threads for one rom... guess where people talk about the developers rom... in the developer thread... guys i know this is earth-shattering stuff... but let's just keep it simple one thread one rom.
I await my ban with GLORY, but i consider this development since it is essential to our community at e4gt xda since it is causing problems between many users.
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I believe this belongs in development too. Because in a way you are Developing a better community.
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riggggght this belongs in dev, isnt this just like trying to be the forum police?? arent there already rules of the forum (stickied at the top of each section) that should take care of this...
as for this whole idea that talking in a dev thread should be fine, most of the chatter is the same damn questions every three pages! if everyone would not be lazy and again follow the forum rules 3/4's of most threads wouldnt exist.
my point is why do we seem to be the only phone that has a clusterfuck of twenty threads instead of a clusterfuck of one thread?
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riggggght this belongs in dev, isnt this just like trying to be the forum police?? arent there already rules of the forum (stickied at the top of each section) that should take care of this...
as for this whole idea that talking in a dev thread should be fine, most of the chatter is the same damn questions every three pages! if everyone would not be lazy and again follow the forum rules 3/4's of most threads wouldnt exist.
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Furthermore devs can request their threads be only development only, like the case of the CM9 thread, but why would we respect their wishes?
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my point is why do we seem to be the only phone that has a clusterfuck of twenty threads instead of a clusterfuck of one thread?
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i dont see why it matters what the general or q&a sections look like or amount of threads, thats what they are there for. why should everyone have the right to turn a dev thread into a clusterfuck?? as for the rest of the forums i only frequent the nook color section and the dev section is HEAVILY moderated and respected
I came from the EVO ROM section it's not half as ridiculous as this forum when it comes to being watched. I don't think I ever posted in the general section for a ROM. Yes the questions get redundant but most of the time it's just as easy to answer the question as it is to ***** that it's in the wrong section or that it's a frequently answered question. Not to mention that a lot of people troll these roms from tapatalk or the xda apps which offers virtually no convenient search functionality. yes Google works but not half as well a everyone acts like it does. It took me 30 minutes to search for a specific thing that had been "talked about frequently" in the forum through google. but could have been answered easily enough and in less time then it took to post a lmgtfy link. it's a forum people are going to ask questions it's the purpose of the site period.
All it comes down to is this.
Certain devs request certain guidelines for their development threads.
Do they have the right to request that?
I think so.
And being as the devs make the community, their wishes should be respected.
Not ignored and spit on.
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Plus have you looked at the general section lately? People post **** about iPads.....iPads! Which have absolutely nothing to do with e4gt at all! fav modems, games, stupid **** that has no specifics about a particular rom at all. Random rants who wants to dig through that kind of **** to find an answer to a question that a developer or senior member who has been in the forum for a bit can answer in a short conscious answer. I answer plenty of noob questions because I know a while ago I was in the same place.
I don't consider myself a "DEVELOPER" but I've posted couple of roms.
I don't want to have multiple threads for my roms because it will take more time from me to follow all of them.
I think, if you have questions, bug reports, problems with my rom you should ask, talk, report them in rom thread so the members of the forum who use my development can find all the questions and answers in one thread.
And it's easier for me to keep eye on all problems related to my rom.
Just my $0.02.
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this rom is the bomb!!
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THANKS!
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this rom is the bomb!!
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THANKS!
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This is exactly the type of junk which QA and General are trying to keep out of the Dev forums..
And now we have one more!!! [idea]:what:
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This ROM is giving me the blue led light of death!
This thread is a travesty.
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OP has a point... in the OG epic forums most threads had just the dev thread, and the threads could be really helpful and relatively BS free, like midNIGHT, or 500 pages of insanity like viper or ACS... but really there wasnt ever ROM threads in general. I assumed this was an EVO thing, as I had heard that forum was nuts with kids posting inane crap and flaming... idunno. It seems like this phone attracts a lot of disgruntled people... tons of minimodding and attitude... sad really. Its not like the community for this phone is so big that we cant keep out dev threads relatively clutter free, but some members choose to flame everyone who asks a ROM RELATED question in the ROM thread... makes no sense. If you REALLY feel you need to censor and judge the validity of every post in the precious Dev section, DONT respond with another post, ignore them till someone helpful (theres usually one or two who 'troll' every rom helping people out... bastards...) answers their question, and YOU flag the oh so offensive post and even PM a mod, maybe we will get a clearer picture that the minimodding creates WAY more posts than the questions or occasional side topic.
Also, I think this is a little different now, as back on the OG Epic, a lot of dev discussion was done in the threads, not IRC (I havent been in a chatroom since like '99) or ROM specific websites, or PM.... everyone was involved. Really if you weed out everything that isnt ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT of the given ROM in a thread, you would have about two pages... so whats the point of the Dev section? I think theres a lot of much undeserved elitism going on where people dont want to be bothered by all the tapatalk notifications because someone else has a question... try just actually looking at the thread and see if theres an update to the OP or something... but lighten up... this phone has a lot of stick up the ass people... get over yourself.
To be honest, I pretty much only see 2 threads at most for a given rom, one in general and one in development. If you hear of a general thread being referred to, then it shouldn't be hard to find and use it.
Want to hear ironic? For whatever reason, the general thread gets ignored, so the dev thread is overrun. Where do people move to continue development, teamwork, and quality help? The general thread.
When did you first see the aokp rom? :sly:
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I agree with OP about the need for only one thread. I've been on Xda since the G1 days...never seen anything like it. Problem is that Android is more widespread these days...means lots of newbs.
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I don't consider myself a "DEVELOPER" but I've posted couple of roms.
I don't want to have multiple threads for my roms because it will take more time from me to follow all of them.
I think, if you have questions, bug reports, problems with my rom you should ask, talk, report them in rom thread so the members of the forum who use my development can find all the questions and answers in one thread.
And it's easier for me to keep eye on all problems related to my rom.
Just my $0.02.
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And if would have read earlier in the thread you'd see that the decision to have two threads (one for questions and such and another for development) is totally up to the developer of the ROM himself.
While some don't want that, others do.
And I don't see what's so hard about complying with what they want.
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Yes, i know that everyone of you (examples below) have very important question, that deserves separate thread, but, for God sake, don't spam the forum!!! (yes, my thread is meant to be provocative...). There is Q And A for Ace II thread for most of that questions...
Examples:
"[Q] How to root Ace gt-i8160 with BTU MC8?" (yes, it freakin' special technique to root phone working on that firmware)
"[Q] It is possible Update to JB?" (oh yeah, nobody answers that question so far, it required new thread)
"[Q] PIT?" (yes, that question probably would be ignored in q & a thread... the same way its ignored in separate thread)
"[Q] Change camera settings?" (veeeery important, no comment)
and so on...
Am I the only one here tired of all that spam?
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Yes, i know that everyone of you (examples below) have very important question, that deserves separate thread, but, for God sake, don't spam the forum!!! (yes, my thread is meant to be provocative...). There is Q And A for Ace II thread for most of that questions...
Examples:
"[Q] How to root Ace gt-i8160 with BTU MC8?" (yes, it freakin' special technique to root phone working on that firmware)
"[Q] It is possible Update to JB?" (oh yeah, nobody answers that question so far, it required new thread)
"[Q] PIT?" (yes, that question probably would be ignored in q & a thread... the same way its ignored in separate thread)
"[Q] Change camera settings?" (veeeery important, no comment)
and so on...
Am I the only one here tired of all that spam?
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I totally feel you man. People are behaving here like it's some technical support not respecting the rules they agreed to accept while registering here. Constant mess, chatting in threads, useless posts about personal feelings, asking questions which require spending 10 seconds with Google or forum search function. But the saddest thing here is that it seems like people who want to keep forums clean are actually minority here. Or at least they are instantly quenched by those who have to quote entire-page-long post to say only "thanks" and are raged about being offended and abused.
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I totally feel you man. People are behaving here like it's some technical support not respecting the rules they agreed to accept while registering here. Constant mess, chatting in threads, useless posts about personal feelings, asking questions which require spending 10 seconds with Google or forum search function. But the saddest thing here is that it seems like people who want to keep forums clean are actually minority here. Or at least they are instantly quenched by those who have to quote entire-page-long post to say only "thanks" and are raged about being offended and abused.
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Exactly. Its like they're on Facebook or this forums is like a social networking site to them.
Ask the forum moderators to make this thread a sticky. So that everyone can see it.
How about if we just ignore (and report) any new useless thread and be a little more active in the Q&A Thread?
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How about if we just ignore (and report) any new useless thread
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That's a good solution. Were not annoyed but the mods are. What do think? LOL.
Leave them alone and just try and point them to the right direction. If they do it again, report that user. I'm active on Q and A but some are just "you know" I don't really want to talk to people who you'd still have to walk through every little detail. I'm not good with explaining myself so I tend to ignore posts that ask me to do just that.
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very right. i don't know why any people always post a new post to ask? some question is spam! made our forum is do not beautiful, it's make messy and not subtle. I know if always report any spam question make they be bothered. i don't think out solution for now
YEAH! thats is why i created the All about ace2 for GB and JB to lessen this problem anyway its way to many to report each same question or post
I'll try to enlighten all of you... BECAUSE THE Q&A THREAD DOESN'T WORK!!!
Until I see a forum moderator saying that all the question should be posted there I will never do it again (only done it once) and I'll explain why:
1. To make any Q&A thread work we would expect someone to maintain and index on it, but this isn't the case here.
2. Posts are ignored because they get lost in all the discussions going on there.
3. Answers are lost because most of the time no one knows if the answer is to your question or to the question 2 posts below yours.
4. Search is impossible if you don't know the exact words used.
Maybe the reasons above are part of the motive other devices have a specific areas for questions, like "Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting" that have 3000 posts in it... Trying to make it all fit on 1 thread is completely useless and extremely confusing. No one can expect a user to go thru 100 pages trying to find an answer to his question.
Now picking up on the 1st question, let me make another one...
Why do some users in this forum spend more time "demanding" people to post where they think is right other then helping people?
If we were a bit more friendly maybe more people would stay and help out, instead we just drive people out with this kind of aggressive and unjustified comments.
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I'll try to enlighten all of you... BECAUSE THE Q&A THREAD DOESN'T WORK!!!
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You have right, partially.
But the questions are left without answers for several reasons:
- the answer was posted before
- nobody know the answer
- the answer is easy to achieve just by checking by oneself.
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Why do some users in this forum spend more time "demanding" people to post where they think is right other then helping people?
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Did you see a policeman helping a thief to break the law only for one reason: to be nice, kind and helpful?? And this is what you propose.
Answering your question: Because i want to keep our subforum CLEAN. How many of that "new question threads" was already answered (sometimes in SEPARATE, dedicated thread)? And what you propose is to help other breaking the rules.
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If we were a bit more friendly maybe more people would stay and help out, instead we just drive people out with this kind of aggressive and unjustified comments.
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There are forums where people are banned for breaking rules, trust me, and "illegall threads" land where it belongs: in trashcan.
Chill out! Just go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2321168 why?
simple... almost any developments are here pack in one for easy access.. to make it less confusing..
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I'll try to enlighten all of you... BECAUSE THE Q&A THREAD DOESN'T WORK!!!
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Really? I think it doesn't work because people like you never learn. Questions are answered there - that's the purpose. And that purpose is served.
Questions are lost because some can't answer them, or its too easy if you learned to read and simply because the question itself is dumb (the answer is obvious yet they choose to post it)
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Until I see a forum moderator saying that all the question should be posted there I will never do it again
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actually, one of our forum mods, The Captain - is reminding new users to post on the Q and A thread then he locks the thread.
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4. Search is impossible if you don't know the exact words used.
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Uhhm. I use search and never had any problems so far. I'm guessing you really don't know how to use a search engine productively.
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Maybe the reasons above are part of the motive other devices have a specific areas for questions, like "Galaxy Ace S5830 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting" that have 3000 posts in it... Trying to make it all fit on 1 thread is completely useless and extremely confusing. No one can expect a user to go thru 100 pages trying to find an answer to his question.
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Since we don't have a section like that, I think its better to use a single thread. thus searching would be faster.
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Why do some users in this forum spend more time "demanding" people to post where they think is right other then helping people?
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In all honesty, I usually tell the user the answer and direct them to the q and a thread for any other questions irrelevant to the question on the thread.
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