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RBS WM6.1 ROMS and Hard Reset ...Possible Solution thread and thoughts

I wanted to install PDACorner v22 RBSN over NRBSN and I flashed defore the See here for more info Dr Puttingham solution suggested ROM via SD.
I have done the SD Flash once more with my WWE ROM 3.54 and in both ROMS the ORDER of flashing parts on my Tytn 's screen was
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,ExtROM,GSM,OS
I know we all use dutty's nbh tool v1.1 for compiling RUU_Signed.nbh .
I dare to make a thought about this tool makes the RBS ROMS to Hard Reset, because it makes the order of flashing
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,OS,GSM
meaning it flashes the Radio after the OS.
Both Stock ROMS with EXTRom flashes the Radio before the OS.
So is there any chance of changing the order in dutty's tool and do the Radio flash before the OS???
In that way we can check if THIS is the problem (and solution) of Hard Resets
Please post your thoughts on my theory and I will contact dutty about this thread to see if he can change his tool

lagoskon said:
I wanted to install PDACorner v22 RBSN over NRBSN and I flashed defore the See here for more info Dr Puttingham solution suggested ROM via SD.
I have done the SD Flash once more with my WWE ROM 3.54 and in both ROMS the ORDER of flashing parts on my Tytn 's screen was
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,ExtROM,GSM,OS
I know we all use dutty's nbh tool v1.1 for compiling RUU_Signed.nbh .
I dare to make a thought about this tool makes the RBS ROMS to Hard Reset, because it makes the order of flashing
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,OS,GSM
meaning it flashes the Radio after the OS.
Both Stock ROMS with EXTRom flashes the Radio before the OS.
So is there any chance of changing the order in dutty's tool and do the Radio flash before the OS???
In that way we can check if THIS is the problem (and solution) of Hard Resets
Please post your thoughts on my theory and I will contact dutty about this thread to see if he can change his tool
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The only problem here, is that I remove the radio from my stock rom before flashing, and I have had no HR or freezing problems.
Edit: Though.. atm, a single rom flash doesn't last much more than a day...

interesting thread
I don't take shortcuts, I follow the dr's order down to the T, and does take a good half an hour to 45 min to get things running, I will monitor of quicker way of doing it, if it saves me time, I would love to know too, so .. here I am watching with anticipation.

zocster said:
I don't take shortcuts, I follow the dr's order down to the T, and does take a good half an hour to 45 min to get things running, I will monitor of quicker way of doing it, if it saves me time, I would love to know too, so .. here I am watching with anticipation.
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I'm from Mars m8
NEVER FLASH RADIO WITH CUSTOM ROMS TOGETHER
ONLY RADIO
ONLY CUSTOM OS
OR RADIO WITH OS FROM ORIGINAL SHIPPED HERMES WM6.1 ON mars

anryl said:
ORIGINAL SHIPPED HERMES WM6.1
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there's no official shipped wm6.1 for hermes as i know

I know all this about not flashing Radio all the time with roms. I just say that the sequense of parts is not the same.
It should be IPL,SPL, Nothing , OS without flashing radio and NOT IPL,SPL,OS, Nothing which is the case now

lagoskon said:
I know all this about not flashing Radio all the time with roms. I just say that the sequense of parts is not the same.
It should be IPL,SPL, Nothing , OS without flashing radio and NOT IPL,SPL,OS, Nothing which is the case now
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Whatever the order of the pices, wouldnt the firmwear still have to go to the same places in the chip? Or you would end up in brick town.
Didn't someone say the HR's where due to part of the chip not being overwritten, and when you flash another rom, (that isnt a FULL shipped) it ended up causing incomparability issues?

veyka said:
Whatever the order of the pices, wouldnt the firmwear still have to go to the same places in the chip? Or you would end up in brick town.
Didn't someone say the HR's where due to part of the chip not being overwritten, and when you flash another rom, (that isnt a FULL shipped) it ended up causing incomparability issues?
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Remember guys the Real Big Storage ROMs overwrite the ext_rom portion to use as the extra storage, since it wasnt designed to do this we can assume that sometimes it might not work correctly.
Sure the tools and everything work fine with it all most of the time.
The reason flashing an official ROM seems to remedy the issues with Hard Resets is that if you reflash everything, the flash memory is refreshed back to the correct OS and ext_rom arrangement, then flashing an RBS ROM onto this area should in theory work fine thanks to the "spring clean" of the memory area.

mrvanx said:
Remember guys the Real Big Storage ROMs overwrite the ext_rom portion to use as the extra storage, since it wasnt designed to do this we can assume that sometimes it might not work correctly.
Sure the tools and everything work fine with it all most of the time.
The reason flashing an official ROM seems to remedy the issues with Hard Resets is that if you reflash everything, the flash memory is refreshed back to the correct OS and ext_rom arrangement, then flashing an RBS ROM onto this area should in theory work fine thanks to the "spring clean" of the memory area.
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Thanks for clearing that up, though it was long those lines! (So close, but so far)

veyka said:
Thanks for clearing that up, though it was long those lines! (So close, but so far)
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It wasnt until recently that I experienced any hard reset issues with any of the ROMs here, i noticed that leading up to a Hard Reset or freeze at the boot screen things such as file operations and running programs seemed to fail...with access denied errors and etc..
Also programs failed to save registry data aswell, coreplayer repeatedly asked for the activation key (which ofcourse ive got).
Leading me to believe that the storage portion of the OS was not working correctly...and since thats the part we have (pardon the term) misused )) then perhaps a reflash to the old configuration to give the storage area a flat format would do the trikc...which it did.
So its definatly advised, even if you havent experienced the issues, to one in a while before you flash a new ROM, flash an official ROM which uses and ext_rom aswell to give it a quick clean out.

lagoskon said:
I wanted to install PDACorner v22 RBSN over NRBSN and I flashed defore the See here for more info Dr Puttingham solution suggested ROM via SD.
I have done the SD Flash once more with my WWE ROM 3.54 and in both ROMS the ORDER of flashing parts on my Tytn 's screen was
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,ExtROM,GSM,OS
I know we all use dutty's nbh tool v1.1 for compiling RUU_Signed.nbh .
I dare to make a thought about this tool makes the RBS ROMS to Hard Reset, because it makes the order of flashing
Code:
IPL,Bootloader,OS,GSM
meaning it flashes the Radio after the OS.
Both Stock ROMS with EXTRom flashes the Radio before the OS.
So is there any chance of changing the order in dutty's tool and do the Radio flash before the OS???
In that way we can check if THIS is the problem (and solution) of Hard Resets
Please post your thoughts on my theory and I will contact dutty about this thread to see if he can change his tool
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OK I FOUND IT WHAT YOU MEAN THE TOOL FOR IT IS htcRIE_0.4.0.49.exe as it opens the original ROM deletes ipl spl gsm and saves new orig rom with the order off flashing - splash splash extrom os

first rom update

at this point im fed up with how bad my 8525 is running and ive done hard resets in the past
i want to go ahead and move up to 6.1 until the touch pro comes out for att
im wondering what is the rom which will give me the most available memory for storage and programs? i can load programs in myself im just lookin for the best basic 6.1 rom
thanks in advance

lbhocky19 said:
at this point im fed up with how bad my 8525 is running and ive done hard resets in the past
i want to go ahead and move up to 6.1 until the touch pro comes out for att
im wondering what is the rom which will give me the most available memory for storage and programs? i can load programs in myself im just lookin for the best basic 6.1 rom
thanks in advance
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Your going to want a "lite" rom.
I would try CRC V13 or PDAcornerpro V23.
BS roms are faster, and have more storage, but PLEASES flash the AT&T shipped rom in my 4shared before flashing one.
And make sure you have HardSPL first.
And that you have .net framework installed, on the computer your flashing from.

veyka said:
Your going to want a "lite" rom.
I would try CRC V13 or PDAcornerpro V23.
BS roms are faster, and have more storage, but PLEASES flash the AT&T shipped rom in my 4shared before flashing one.
And make sure you have HardSPL first.
And that you have .net framework installed, on the computer your flashing from.
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i tried to flash Hardspl earlier and when i tried. wmdc found it and it went to the boot screen with the 3 colors then once it got there it said it couldnt find my phone after it already did
any ideas?

Go to page 116 , post 1160 of this thread - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296722
All necessary programs and links required (as well as instructions) to flash Hard SPL using the SD card method...My preference, just make sure battery has more than 50% charge.
To flash a new os with the sd card method, just drop steps 5 & 6.
Cheers...

quick way to flash
just use sspl. It's a cab which runs on the device and takes you to the bootloader. No hardspl necessary
-J

Hard SPL is a safer thing to have installed. It gives you a better chance of recovering your Hermes if something goes wrong. There are no guarantees of a successful flash, EVER. But, with Hard SPL, you have a chance at recovering your device.
SSPL is called "Soft SPL". It was developed earlier and Hard SPL came out of the hard work that SSPL was the foundation of.
Its up to the individual. Would you be the man who uses his foot to find mines, or the man with the radio controlled minesweeper robot? Your choice....
Cheers...

thanks alot everyone il give it a shot later on today

Problems after flashing roms.

After flashing some of the recent roms here on XDA, I seem to be having a bit of a problem.
After installing some programs,the program icons change in to windows logos and i'm unable to use them and my phone locks up instantly and only a hard reset will work.
If i do a soft reset i only get to the windows mobile screen or htc startup animation screen, then it freezes.
I have been flashing roms for a couple of years and have never had this problem,any help would be appreciated.

owz206 said:
After flashing some of the recent roms here on XDA, I seem to be having a bit of a problem.
After installing some programs,the program icons change in to windows logos and i'm unable to use them and my phone locks up instantly and only a hard reset will work.
If i do a soft reset i only get to the windows mobile screen or htc startup animation screen, then it freezes.
I have been flashing roms for a couple of years and have never had this problem,any help would be appreciated.
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There's not alot we can tell you if you don't tell us about your device, rom, radio, hardspl etc setup.

I'm using C.T 6.4 original touchflo but have tried others. I have olinex 1.40 spl
and have a DIAM 100 model and radio 1.00.25.05

Try another ROM.............there is that freak of nature possiblity that the Hard SPL is incompatible (rare).
If another Rom persists, then move to Hard Spl 1.93. I know some Chefs recommend a specific Hard Spl at times but again it's rare.

Can i just flash 1.93 spl over 1.40 spl, or is there a different way of doing it.
*Edit* I just tried to install 1.93 spl and it didnt work it still says i have 1.40 spl,what am i doing wrong ?

These Hard SPL developer's edition has write protection. What you need is an APP called Jump SPL....http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3328000#post3328000.....POST #10

I'm using CT 6.4 OrigTF Full with HSPL 1.93 with absolutely no problems (apart from a landscape bug that I solved by installing the original Diamond Volume Control). I highly recommend it, for me it's the best I've ever used in terms of speed, stability and functionality. Remember to Hard-reset after flash. You migh also have a bad flash or a bad download. If changing HSPL don't work, try to download the ROM again and re-flash.
When I upgraded HSPL from 1.40 to 1.93 I used a version with jump-SPL included, don't remember where I found it though.
Good Luck!

I always do a hard reset after a flash and have tried numerous roms but seem to have the same problem with all the roms.
Think i might have a problem with my diamond
Thanks for all your suggestions.

hello. I have a problem. I wanted to put new rom on friend`s Diamond but when it finishes, it says error 270, the image file is corrupted.On Diamond:Upgrade rom code error, please try again.What can I do now?I made soft reset and repeated again, nothing changes.I cannot even turn off the device.It only shows tricolor,security unlocked.(RUU Diamind HTC WWE 2.03.405.2 Radio signed diamond 52.51.25.26.1.09.25.23 ship.exe (100MB))

I am ok.Made it with a different rom.

O.k. I've tried a few different roms and hard spl today, and deleted my internal and phone storage and my phone is still not working properly.
It works fine after a flash and hard reset, but as soon as i turn it off then back on it freezes either on the diamond black boot screen or windows boot screen.
Looks like I need to get a new phone

Don't know if this is of any help but, when i cooked some roms for my "Artemis" i would get this sort of error if the rom was a little too big (I had added too many programs <5mb too much it would build and flash without error) it would work for a few days the slowly start to loose programs as if it had a virus or something deleting stuff slowly.
the only way to fix it was to flash a stock rom inc ipl,spl and radio then re-flash a custom rom, (a new custom rom alone would not cure it) i think the rom when flashing filled the area designated for the rom then started to overright the spl or ipl
just a thought? i don't know weather the diamond would suffer from the same problem with a bloated rom!
dose anyone know what the max size for a diamond rom is?
what happens if the rom is a little too big say 2mb?

Thanks,I've just flashed the new windows 6.5 rom which is working at the moment,but if it fails i'll give your idea a try.

owz206 said:
Thanks,I've just flashed the new windows 6.5 rom which is working at the moment,but if it fails i'll give your idea a try.
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Man i had almost the similar issue in the recent times .. The only work around is to download and flash a stock Rom ( no matter which one it is ) , like what explained in the previous post . Use the stock fr a day or 2 , then flash it back .

help please

just a quick question for a stupid noob, ive flashed my diamond to Gen.Y TouchFlo3Dv2.1 VGA and im loving it, its taken a while but ive got it just how i want now, if i change the radio will i have to set up all my apps again

no.....

when i run the program its a ruu and i thought that would wipe all my apps and i would have to re install my apps, but your saying no, all my programs will stay and all the reg tweaks ive made will stay untouched .

It will wipe programs from your "phone" memory,not from the "internal" memory I think. But I think that the old ones will not be visible. Settings after flashing new rom will be removed. That's my oppinion

Radio...
Flashing a radio won't touch any of your programs or settings... it's in a different part of the ROM

Flashing a Radio..
bazz7777777 said:
when i run the program its a ruu and i thought that would wipe all my apps and i would have to re install my apps, but your saying no, all my programs will stay and all the reg tweaks ive made will stay untouched .
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Hi Bazz..
What Benko said, short but sweet , is absolutely right.. Just use the CustomRUU.exe (flashing utility) and the radio file you want and flash as is (I have HardSPL on my phone allowing me to flash anything).. I applied the same Gen2.1 ROM (my compliments to Yozgatg for a great ROM ) not more than a week ago, tried the Radio 1.13.25.24 and then decided to go back to 1.15.25.14 (search on forums and you'll find it). I've been using that Radio for a good number or months and it's pretty reliable and good on battery (for HTC Diamond) so you might want to have a look and see what others have said about it
BTW - I flashed it as is and didn't have to re-enter any settings at all and my phone booted as normal after. If you sync your phone with your desktop PC make sure you get a sync BEFORE you upgrade just in case as it's better to be safe but like grahamkdt said I doubt you'll need it.

Yeah SRY, I ment the full rom flashing

Is there such a thing as flashing too much?

Recently acquired a used 8525 and have been checking out tons of custom ROMS but today my phone locked up and wouldn't do anything. I am flashed to 2.10 HardSPL and was running the stock "like" 6.5 ROM on the front page of the Hermes forum. Phone would start up but locked up at the first HTC splash screen. I tried resetting and removing the battery but it would hang at the same spot. I flashed to a different ROM and everything seems OK. The 6.5ROM ran fine for a few days when it was installed. Is it possible to damage the internal memory by flashing and reflashing constantly or is the issue more than likely a software problem?

You need to flash the at&t stripped rom between those custom roms. That will "straighten out" any odd memory issues like what your experiencing.
And I'm guessing it would take several thousand (or more) rewrites of the memory to mess it up. Probably similar to compact flash, or a thumb drive. Maybe one of the more knowledgeable ones around here know.

Thanks for the info. Do I simple flash the stripped AT&T rom from the bootloader and then do the same for the custom rom afterwards?

Yup! And it seems just flashing the at&t stripped rom seems to be fine, no need to let it go through setup and all of that. I generally wait for it to get to the "tap here" screen, then go into boot loader and reflash.

I'm having the same issue one my 8525.
I can't do ANYTHING because my phone is stuck saying smart mobility.
And, a black screen.
How do I....
Do I simple flash the stripped AT&T rom from the bootloader and then do the same for the custom rom afterwards?
I've downloaded your stripped AT&T room... now what? I dont know about bootloader

Ok. It looks like I finally have SOMETHING other than that screen.
I just did a hard reset.
Is there anything I should do BEFORE this happens again?

Install Hard SPL V7 if you get to the today screen... Go to here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296722
page 116, post 1160 to use the sd card method...
This should make it easier to recover your Hermes if something goes wrong.
Cheers...
SD card MUST be 2Gb or less and formatted FAT32. Check your spelling - hermimg.nbh...

I'm fully functioning now... I have installed HARD SPL before.. do I re do it?
Or, what?
all is working normal now

Nah, once it's there, there is no need to redo it. It will stick between flashings.