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I was wondering if there is a diagnostic application such as "Dr. Watson" that's available in MS Windows PC operating system that could log any crash, errors and hangs, thus we could be more open and honest about those crashes due to unstable roms!!
That's how we can prove of people's REAL opinion on the rom that are used!!
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I was wondering if there is a diagnostic application such as "Dr. Watson" that's available in MS Windows PC operating system that could log any crash, errors and hangs, thus we could be more open and honest about those crashes due to unstable roms!!
That's how we can prove of people's REAL opinion on the rom that are used!!
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Well, I use Pocket Mechanic and find it quite useful at least for routine maintenance. It is available reom Handango. You may download the trial version and decide.
I prefer Sktools, it have benchmark test. Pocket Mechanic make my alpine stuck for several times.
i just got my self an O2 XDA Orbit and i'm wondering what are the best apps and roms to have. i know it's a lil up to preference - i'm interested in the opinions out there. I already picked myself up copies of opera and cardexport 2 (i used the palm version and was very impressed). My main concerns is that i have previously been told that a firewall and a virus scanner were needed. Is this true?
Also i have read a lil bug the sd card issue. how do i know it has struck me? is the fix i have seen good?
i'd also love to be able to play fps games on the device when i am away. goes anyone know of any good review sites and/or shops? i also love playing GPL (general public license) games on my linux machine (no windows machines in this house. may have to, begrudingly, get a cheap laptop if i get problems with the device) so if there are any good free ones i will take a look.
I think that will cover it for now. if i get any more questions i will post and thanks for your thought guys and gals
if you feel progressive you'll start by joining the touchflo club using B&B4 rom (-->here<--). that might be a bit ...well, progressive.. if you just got the device, but hey, you got it for playing around like the rest of us, right?
before you flash a non-original rom to your device, make sure you read this thread. i recommend to ALWAYS use USPL before flashing something.
soardiac said:
if you feel progressive you'll start by joining the touchflo club using B&B4 rom (-->here<--). that might be a bit ...well, progressive.. if you just got the device, but hey, you got it for playing around like the rest of us, right?
before you flash a non-original rom to your device, make sure you read this thread. i recommend to ALWAYS use USPL before flashing something.
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whats the difference between B&B4 and the official wm5 and wm6 roms? i do have the o2 wm6 update rom but i haven't installed it (coz i hadn't looked up how yet). so the phone is pretty much stock.
I bought the phone as a work tool but as i'm a techie and techie's get bored and wanna tweak stuff there is room for tweaking
The B&B4 ROM is WM6 but has extra features such as touchflo: like the HTC touch, certain finger movements make access to contacts, messages, music easier and finger scrolling like the iphone. It also has a much cooler look.
For WM6 and thus probably B&B4 there is a reg hack to reduce CPU usage: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308792
To put a new ROM on your device, It is recommended to flash with USPL unless it is from your manufacturer and for your country. USPL allows other ROMs to be downloaded without disabling your device. I could describe it as a sim-unlock for ROMs, if you use a sim from your carrier, all is good, if not, you cant use the phone. A little more serious than a simlock though, if you flash the wrong ROM without USPL, it could damage the phone/bootloader so as to make it a 'brick'.
To flash a ROM, make sure device has more than 50% battery. Soft-reset it and wait for it to load. Plug into usb port and wait for activesync to recognise. Run USPL and a command prompt will load, wait for it to finish (~5 mins). A new window will open with a picture of the device, tick boxes, click next then update... A progress bar will let you know how far the download has got to. Once complete, the device will reboot to wondows mobile. It is now temporarily CID unlocked with a SuperCID. Now run the exe for the ROM you wish to flash. The same kind of interface will appear as before, tick boxes, next, update... Watch progressbar eagerly (wipe drool off mouth) and let it complete. Your device will reset with new ROM.
If at any point a problem occurs, aslong as you see windows or a multicoloured screen (the bootloader) you can do this (whole) process again to complete installation.
Hope this rather messy post helps you out a bit. As to applications, somewhere on the FTP site I think is pocket doom. BEWARE: Some files on the FTP site are viruses, not detectable by antivirus software.
Pete
wicked and that leads me on to my Anti virus question. is that any anti virus tools for WM5/6? iirc i have seen some pc side ones that scan the phone if it's connected and the app is setup for it. also is a firewall advised? are there any?
There are a few antiviruses for PDAs, but TBH the only viruses I have heard of for them are proof-of-concept so I doubt anyone really bothers.
If you really want an antivirus, I've tried this before and it seems to be ok http://www.freewareppc.com/utilities/airscannermobileantivirus.shtml
When I mentioned viruses on the FTP site, I meant for your home PC!
oh right. i run linux so it's pretty much impossible to catch a virus infection. although i spose caution would be needed if i needed to install windows for something. i'm trying to install stuff straight to the device from the net atm using cabs and i have a tool that strips the cabs out of the exe files so all looks good there.
one question that has just crossed my mind (coz i just tried to do it and couldn't). Is there a way to install cabs once they have been save to the eeprom or memory card? i checked out "File explorer" for an option and didn't find one. "remove application's" seems to be remove only so, i'm a lil lost as to what to use. If i hit open in the d/l dialog in opera or PIE it installs them. Any tips?
You should be able to just tap them in flie explorer and they will run... You'll get a notification asking whether you want to run and then the usual installer screen will come up asking where etc...
i have to admit i didn't try that. i was thinking too far outside the box
thanks for all the help so far btw
No probs, I'm not an expert, computers and techy things just seem to come naturally to me!
same here but i'm known to have moments of thinking too abstractly and after using linux for so long i have kinda gotten used to having to think to get most of the things i do done.
i just saw some screen shots of B&B 4 and i do have to say "how good does that look?" i can't seem to find a feature list. i found it the other day. seems to have vanished in to the depths of the board tho. any clues?
Well I've got B&B4 and I must say It's probably the best ROM you can use on your Orbit... The black and blue go really well with the black and blue (duh) of the Orbit...
Heres the post for B&B4 with some screenies and the programs list: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=321503
It's basically WM6 based, with TouchFlo making it a bit like an iphone where you can use your finger to scroll through stuff. Other finger friendly interfaces like the new today screen interface (with quick contacts access, programs, weather, time, phone profiles etc), htc audio manager, new skin for wmp, some very useful utilities, etc etc
Like WM6, and in the (edited) post I made earlier, you should carry out the reg hack to reduce cpu usage, other than that, and needing a separate cab for live messenger, it is _thebest_
If you decide to flash it, remember to use USPL...
i may do. i think i'm gonna check out my options first. i don;t wanna mess about with it too much because it is spose to be a tool for work. but seeingas realvnc works pretty well i think i'm pretty much covered for my objectives in the software department except for GPS software. money is no object there. i want the best. i heard tomtom was a bit unstable (from a treo 750w user) so if that's true i'm gonna stay away from it
Tomtom seems to work fine on mine so far ...
As a 'working' tool
I've tried all the flavours of roms out there - but didn't like the touchflo stuff on B&B4... I need my today screen to have my calendar and messages on it, so the big clock is no relevance, and the touch stuff is gimicky.
I'm running O2 WM6 on mine, with a few tweaks. It's definitely most stable, and quite fast, although I run batterymeter to overclock to 240-ish mhz for a bit more slickness.
I also use todayagenda to replace the calendar plugin as its far more useful.
I have a synchronisation with my corporate Exchange server for office mail, and route my personal mail throuh an excelllent free imap service at www.axigenmail.com - simple imap servers, no frills, works excellently.
TomTom 6.02 or 6.03 work absolutely fine, no issues whatsoever.
I've just started using SPB PhoneTools on my todayscreen to give me a decent quickdial in the car... I've just replaced my car stereo with a Sony MEX-BT2500 unit (£90 on ebay) that gives full bluetooth handsfree integrationand streaming with minimal fuss.
Hello Everyone..
Today I flashed the ROM for my HTC TP2 to the one listed below which comes with Windows Mobile 6.5.
ROM Name : WWE RHODIUM Cookie Energy style
ROM Version : 03.Jul.2010 WWE
ROM date: 03/15/10
RADIO Version : 3.45.25.14
Everything seems to be great so far and the only thing I now need is a good antivirus that can protect my device against viruses and other security issues.
Can anyone please recommend me a good antivirus or firewall solution that can be installed on Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional and which should not degrade the performance of the device..?
Any suggestions will really be helpfull..
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Hello Everyone..
Today I flashed the ROM for my HTC TP2 to the one listed below which comes with Windows Mobile 6.5.
ROM Name : WWE RHODIUM Cookie Energy style
ROM Version : 03.Jul.2010 WWE
ROM date: 03/15/10
RADIO Version : 3.45.25.14
Everything seems to be great so far and the only thing I now need is a good antivirus that can protect my device against viruses and other security issues.
Can anyone please recommend me a good antivirus or firewall solution that can be installed on Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional and which should not degrade the performance of the device..?
Any suggestions will really be helpfull..
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why would you need an anti virus?
ive used WM for the past 3 to 4 years without an anti virus and i never had any virus problems ever since
but if youre really that concern then, turn off Beam, Bluetooth file sharing, and dont browse any sites that may contain a virus.....but thats AFIAK
cuz really WM phones arent really that immune to viruses AFIAK
Sorry to be a pain here...
but what if I recieve an infected email? Wont it harm my phone?
I do not browse those vulnerable websites nor have any habbit of downloading suspicious applications. I am concerened about email...
Please advise..
No way something can infect your WM phone. There are about 3 viruses for WM as far as I know, and they are all installed by cabs or other **** from warez.
If you are so concerned about privacy and viruses you may try Lookout. I really enjoy its localization service. It has a got a firewall and a anti-virus integrated.
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Sorry to be a pain here...
but what if I recieve an infected email? Wont it harm my phone?
I do not browse those vulnerable websites nor have any habbit of downloading suspicious applications. I am concerened about email...
Please advise..
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pocket outlook doesnt execute any macros or other things like desktop outlook does
also, it would have to be a virus written for WM, viruses written for other (dekstop) windows wont infect windows mobile
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Hello Everyone..
Today I flashed the ROM for my HTC TP2 to the one listed below which comes with Windows Mobile 6.5.
ROM Name : WWE RHODIUM Cookie Energy style
ROM Version : 03.Jul.2010 WWE
ROM date: 03/15/10
RADIO Version : 3.45.25.14
Everything seems to be great so far and the only thing I now need is a good antivirus that can protect my device against viruses and other security issues.
Can anyone please recommend me a good antivirus or firewall solution that can be installed on Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional and which should not degrade the performance of the device..?
Any suggestions will really be helpfull..
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I don't think AV is needed, but eset makes one www.eset.com.
KAspersky
Kaspersky make antivirus programs for mobile phone. Work good with the TP2
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pocket outlook doesnt execute any macros or other things like desktop outlook does
also, it would have to be a virus written for WM, viruses written for other (dekstop) windows wont infect windows mobile
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Precisely, it's like a Windows virus harming a Mac computer. Windows Mobile is wayyyy different than desktop version of Windows, therefore the same viruses on desktop won't work on Windows Mobile.
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No way something can infect your WM phone. There are about 3 viruses for WM as far as I know, and they are all installed by cabs or other **** from warez.
If you are so concerned about privacy and viruses you may try Lookout. I really enjoy it's localization service. It has a got a firewall and a anti-virus integrated.
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Thanks.. I wasnt aware WM is not yet that exposed to viruses.. However, its better safe than to be sorry...
I did try mylookout.com and its awesome.. It hasn't affected my mobiles performance yet and find it good in terms of security and protection so far..
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pocket outlook doesnt execute any macros or other things like desktop outlook does
also, it would have to be a virus written for WM, viruses written for other (dekstop) windows wont infect windows mobile
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Thanks for clarifying my doubt.. I wasnt aware about this and indeed i now feel a bit assured ..
Samylines is right to want antivirus. The "I've never had a virus yet so don't need antivirus software" argument is like saying you'll never wear a seatbelt because you haven't yet had an accident. It's definitely prudent to have the assurance of antivirus especially in an industry that is changing and growing (and the threat of viruses increases) on a daily basis.
I don't know Kaspersky's Mobile antivirus, but I use their PC version and find it superb, so I imagine their mobile version would be good too. And I know that F-secure also make a good mobile antivirus.
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Samylines is right to want antivirus. The "I've never had a virus yet so don't need antivirus software" argument is like saying you'll never wear a seatbelt because you haven't yet had an accident. It's definitely prudent to have the assurance of antivirus especially in an industry that is changing and growing (and the threat of viruses increases) on a daily basis.
I don't know Kaspersky's Mobile antivirus, but I use their PC version and find it superb, so I imagine their mobile version would be good too. And I know that F-secure also make a good mobile antivirus.
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as jackos pointed out there are not very many viruses out there for WM (he says 3, ive only heard of 2 though) and they are installed via cabs/exes, not email as the OP is concerned about, and i dont think an antivirus would be very good at stopping those, just like desktop antivirus isnt too good at stopping similar trojans on their OSes
the fact is your desktop usually gets infected via flash player, java, email macros and other means similar to that, and the phone simply doesnt support any of that, so its a lot harder to get infected even if there were more viruses
and with WM losing market share to iphone and android i doubt anyone is keen on making many new viruses for WM
maybe we should start a poll, how many people dont run antivirus and never had a virus
as for me, 10 years using palm, WM and blackberry, no AV, no viruses
I agree with you. I think the chances of getting a virus on a Windows Mobile device are extremely small. But you say yourself "its a lot harder to get infected..." not "its impossible to get infected".
Like you I have been using Windows Mobile for several years and never had a virus, but I'm accepting that the possibility exists. It's the same as insuring your house against the possibility of theft, even though it's very unlikely to happen. I don't understand why you're against someone taking the precaution of installing antivirus software "just in case"?
Peace people
All we can say, anyone who wants to use any antivirus and firewall for his/her Windows Mobile, he does have a few good options.. Else its upto that user to use it not.. isnt it
I did get the option I was looking for and thanks everyone for helping me out and sharing your knowledge here...
Hello,
one question bothers me since the first time I have heard about WP7. Why Microsoft have decided to create a whole new OS without thinking of OS that would ne NT-based so any program made for normal PC would run on our phones. Just imagine, how many developers could easily port their programs to new OS, just changin the screen size, leaving all core components just the same... All classic PC games, like Blood, Duke Nukem workin flawlesly on a phone without the need of any port. I believe, that it is the only real way to compete with Android and Iphone OS. What do you think?
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one question bothers me since the first time I have heard about WP7. Why Microsoft have decided to create a whole new OS without thinking of OS that would ne NT-based so any program made for normal PC would run on our phones. Just imagine, how many developers could easily port their programs to new OS, just changin the screen size, leaving all core components just the same... All classic PC games, like Blood, Duke Nukem workin flawlesly on a phone without the need of any port. I believe, that it is the only real way to compete with Android and Iphone OS. What do you think?
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if the app was created in siverlight/c# which alot of newer apps are then it can be ported to wp7.. For sometime now microsoft has been pushing their silverlight for devolpers to use so if the games you mentioned is bult in silverlight there should be no problem...
NT on a mobile phone would be a usability nightmare...look how far windows mobile got with the masses. Microsoft is not catering towards the hackers, but the masses.
And to be honest, I would not touch any mobile device running NT...LOL.
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NT on a mobile phone would be a usability nightmare...look how far windows mobile got with the masses. Microsoft is not catering towards the hackers, but the masses.
And to be honest, I would not touch any mobile device running NT...LOL.
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me eather!!! i am so done with wm 6.0, 6.1, 6.5 and its many problems having to flashing rom after rom, restarting the device cause it has no memory left, this list goes on... wp7 is like a breth of fresh air...
Why so negative? WM always had problems, but the level of freedom and customization made me love this platform more and more. And I wouldn't be so sure about unpopularity of this kind of new OS, as NT-based Windows OS platform is the most popular in PC world, stable and nice-looking enough, so why it couldn't be that popular in mobile phones, especially with wide variety of programs already designed for this platform, only waiting for small fixes of resolution? Those games are from dos era, with no good port on any mobile platform...
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why so negative? Wm always had problems, but the level of freedom and customization made me love this platform more and more. And i wouldn't be so sure about unpopularity of this kind of new os, as nt-based windows os platform is the most popular in pc world, stable and nice-looking enough, so why it couldn't be that popular in mobile phones, especially with wide variety of programs already designed for this platform, only waiting for small fixes of resolution? Those games are from dos era, with no good port on any mobile platform...
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dont get me wrong i not trying to say 6.5 is not for some people just not for me... I think the fact that smartphones moved to a more touch enviroment it seems that the old wm is not as finger friendly and made more for the use of an stylist, to me this type of os seems to not work well on mobile devices for long peorids without a reboot maybe its the way its design or maybe it just have too many things of the desktop enviroment not sure but it gets to be a problem for me, others my not mind. As far as customizing goes well guess you cant have everything.. i personaly would prefer a more stable os than customization, and i am sure additional pc like options will come as well as more customization in the future..
I think the main reason why NT would not make a good mobile OS is simply because it was never designed or meant to run on a mobile device. Your phone is not a computer, so your phone needs an operating environment to suit it's purpose.
The "phone as a computer" approach has been tried by Microsoft, it's called Windows Mobile. While I love Windows Mobile, I have to say, having "Windows NT" on a phone just doesn't make sense.
While it would be cool to play Duke Nukem on your Windows NT mobile device, at the end of the day, you are going to put down your Windows NT phone and just sit at your computer and play Duke Nukem on that. It's just a better overall experience, and Windows NT was designed for that sit-down, productive, huge screen experience. So it wouldn't make sense to invest in a platform that no one would use at the end of the day because their desktop computer does it better.
What you have to do is create an entirely unique and different experience designed for the phone and "on-the-go" life, to complement the Windows NT desktop experience. That is after all, what your phone is for. That's what Windows Phone 7 is.
Can't wait to get my hands on a Windows Phone 7.... phone.... XD
Well, I guess you are right, but I will try once more to support my idea, if you don't mind. I still see some reasons why NT- based mobile OS would be a good idea:
1. There are plenty of popular netbooks, tablet PC's and other relative small devices with full XP, Vista or Win7 OS. All of them are made for on the go experience and still having NT OS. Not even talking about miniature UMPC's. We also often leave these devices unused when we turn on our normal PC's at home, but doesn't prevent them from having huge popularity.
2. Of cource, I do not want to suggest porting normal WinXP to mobile phones (but win98 on my touch pro didn't look half that bad ), but rather something with an UI suited for small screens, but still capable to run any application made for normal Windows.
3. I also think about the interest of developers to this kind of OS. Theorically, there would be no need to learn OS-specific programming, just the things used on any NT OS. Most of the developers who makes programs for PC would be able to make a version for this OS just by changing the resolution, leaving engine just the same.
Please, say your opinion about these things I've pointed out
1. Netbooks and tablets still operate outside of the smartphone arena of capabilities and requirements for most users. There is a reason why there isn't a successful phone running Windows XP. You can write the drivers and software for phone functionality, but at the end of the day NT was not produced with phones in mind.
2. Applications written for desktops are written for desktop processors and memory capacities. Its not a simple change of just resolutions. What if an app request memory that doesn't exist on the mobile device? Chances are the mobile device can't even address that amount of memory. So you design a mobile focused NT kernel...well now all apps can't run on both platforms..so what's the point.
3. Yes you do, because all the capabilities available on a desktop aren't available on a smartphone. Developers still have to keep that in mind when their app is in development.
I sit here looking at my Windows XP work workstation and I would kill myself if I had to use this on a phone. Windows Mobile was hard enough.
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I forget the name but there was a secret (ish) project inside Microsoft to make the NT kernel more portable and sorta combine it with the CE kernel. They were basically building off the MinWin work.
But remember, native code still wouldn't be cross platform. x86 and ARM are not binary compatible. Just look at "OSX" on Mac desktops and "OSX" as the base of "iOS". Nothing crosses back and forth.
The NT kernel doesn't scale down that well yet. The kernel land is still full of bidirectional vertical dependencies. The current lowest profile incarnation called MinWin needs like 40MB RAM to boot to a text console and offer next to no APIs and is still shock full of missing dependencies (apparently boot loader magic makes it not break on boot).
Once they're really done despaghettifying, you might see it on mobile devices. But that'll still take a while, because right now, slimming down involves tons of aliasing dependencies to nothing.
Absolutely no reason why they could not run NT on a smart phone but why would they? They already have Windows CE (aka pocket PC) and if MS had been serious about Pocket PC IMHO they would be in a much better market position now.
One of the biggest messups with Pocket PC is the inconsistancy of the user interface and MS failed to revamp the 6.5 completely for touch.... They have a lot of good things going with WM 6.5 but it was an incomplete effort and it shows.
well, I see you are right... That NT is much more complex monster than I thought, thanks for clearing that out Yesterday, I found information about device called xpPhone, I wonder what would you say about it ? http://www.xpphone.com/en/product/specification.html
will all WM 6.5, 6.1 apps work on WP7 ? gps software?
Nope- no Windows Mobile 6.x (or earlier) apps will work on WP7.
Clean break. Nothing will work. Apps on WP7 are based on Silverlight/XNA. There aren't going to be many third aprty native applications. .NET CF Applications from WM 5-6.x won't work either. There was never a Silverlight for Windows Mobile, so most apps will have to be rewritten, not only because of that, but because the entire platform from internals to GUI have changed remarkably.
hum. even gps software? igo, tomtom ?
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hum. even gps software? igo, tomtom ?
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Nope, nothing at all.
hum. dont like that idea. so all WP7 apps are completely rewritten? are those more stable and more smooth than older windows mobile apps ?
The point was to start with a clean slate and they did. This has been out in clear from day one round about 2 years ago when the development begun.
Stability of the app is upto the developer not Microsoft. Smooth is also upto the developer to make the code more efficient though the OS is quite smooth.
Hope this clears it up.
those apps have different format? different way to install ?
Yeah the old ones were CAB, new ones are XAP. Thought they both are ZIP files in a nutshell.
Also the package is signed by a digital certificate if I am not mistaken.