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Slugishness and inconveniences with Manilla 3D

The title is a bit of a provocation to attract people to the thread
To start with: animation, menus, etc... are quite fluid (Though less than on my M2D custom Rom on my Hermes, but that's not my point here, secreen def is much higher and it's 3D...)
My problem (that mya have I fix, at least I hope so) is quite specific:
In some menus accessing to data is VERY slow and I dont understand why
1. When accessing to a contact (So clicking from the lists of contats) it takes several seconds to have the contact details appear. This is VERY annoying. Does it come from my numer of contacts (900), I dont think so... It looks a bit like something is being downloaded, or some extra info put in memory... difficult to tell but anywya I would like to kow if you have the same problem
2. When accessing SMS from Manilla 3d... it takes ages to open the first SMS in the pile or to open "All messages". It's quite weird: if I swap through the task manager to the SMS application... it switches in an instant. If I have the SMS application already open and try to access it through the manila 3D...
(I have quite a lot of SMS, but less than emails, or which it is less slow)
I noticed some similar slowlyness in some otehr parts but just cant remeber where
Otherwise to bith about about Manilla 3D (that I do still really like... at least froma "look" point of view): too many important menus are missing compared to WM6.1 original menus. Like choose which folder you can activesync within your email folders, or save a phone number from a newly received SMS into an existing contact (Can only sve in a new one...). Etc, etc...
Anyway to chose which original WM6.1 menus are prompted / not prompted ?

To address your pts...
1. I think the lag has to do with the new "People-centric" contact card. It take a little time to gather all emails, calls, and messages with a particular person. You probably won't experience this lag if you use the default Windows Mobile contact app.
2. What I mentioned in 1 applies here too. So, I never click the messages directly in TF3D because this actually opens the contact card. I keep the messaging app opened at all times. Just click All Messages to quickly see the threaded conversation if you have to. If you use "Reply" from TF3D, the composing window will also open faster (if you have the messaging app opened already)

1. Agreed that's what I suspect... But I dont have the proof. Yes the default Windows Mobile App is much faster
There must be a workaround like starting to open what is immediately available for the contact while loading the rest in the bakground
Unfortunately this may be a litle too deep and needs a different code --> not fixable with some regedit
Hopefully we are wrong. The "people-centric" thing is on of the reason why I like the TP2 (Definitely not the only one) and if this means waiting 3 to 4 seconds to open a contact, HTC just ****ed up on it (It's not acceptable when you need to open several contacts)
2. Yes I use already only "All message" since clicking on the message takes ages to open
BUT even "All messages" is still very slow compared to open the messaging app (I do always keep the messaging app open)
All in all it's nice to offer good looking features, but if the price is such a sluggishness I think there is nothing to be proud of
Luckily HTC will improve this with time (But still, it's really annoying)

Alcibiade said:
... waiting 3 to 4 seconds to open a contact...
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Haha, you must be exaggerating. Just to keep things sane around here, the time lag is about 1 second to open the unified communications contact card. This is compared to the approximately 0.5 seconds to open the contact details in the default WinMo contact app. If you try to open the SMS or Email section of the contact card, it does take about 2-3 seconds...
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BUT even "All messages" is still very slow compared to open the messaging app (I do always keep the messaging app open)
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Not sure what you mean on this part. Doesn't clicking "All messages" in TF3D open the default messaging app?

Then I must have a problem with my device (or my ocntacts (I have nearly 1,000). I just tried one contact right now from the list of all contacts: 12 seconds (Yeah befoire I was just giving an estimate...). I tried anoterh one , 17 seconds... (Piture or no picture doesnt change anything)
These figures is rom opening a contact from the list of all contacts in TF3D
I guess you understand how annoyd I am... And cliking on "Back" to come back from the list of contacts to the main menu (WHer you see "Add favorites") takes 5 seconds
I really hope to find a solution...
For the last part, sorry my mistake it's when I click on the messages tab that it takes around 4 seconds to have the messages menu and I na click on the bottom left menu "All messages" (Then after it's quick)
I have a serious problem with my TF3D...
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Haha, you must be exaggerating. Just to keep things sane around here, the time lag is about 1 second to open the unified communications contact card. This is compared to the approximately 0.5 seconds to open the contact details in the default WinMo contact app. If you try to open the SMS or Email section of the contact card, it does take about 2-3 seconds...
Not sure what you mean on this part. Doesn't clicking "All messages" in TF3D open the default messaging app?
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The very interesting thing is if I open the same contact by clicking at its name from let's say an email, it's nearly instantaneous (like half a second)
What's wrong with my phone ?? Anybody with the same issue ?

your insane amount of contacts are prolly slowing everything down.

a 1000 contacs is normal, i have more than 1500 on my TP2
its true that TF3D sometimes slow, i mean, those things sometimes happen also to me, but not always, only sometimes, maybe when the TP2 processess a lot or memory almost done for

1000 contacts is alot but this is a business device so that really shouldnt be a problem imho.
Though I doubt WM uses any kind of clever database method for storing them, not like SQL Server mobile is installed on the phone with Intel QuadCore, so I think some slowdown is to be expected mate tbh

Yes it's a professional device 1,000 contacts should not be an issue (Actually it's mostly friends, but let's say that for a geek I enjoy quite a crazy social life)
Anyway it was handled properly on my Hermes with Manilla 2D. I am very disapointed it is not the case with the TP2
Again the very strange thing is if I open the contact by clicking on name in my emails title, I get the contact file to open nearly immediately. If it's from the list of contacts... 10 seconds at least. This doenst make sense

and I hate the fact that you have to "slide" to accept/reject the call. I mean come on, it's cool and all that but it's not user friendly!
So many times my calls got missed because a friend didn't understand how to accept the call for me (it was too late whenever they read that "Slide to Answer/Ignore" text)

michaelra said:
and I hate the fact that you have to "slide" to accept/reject the call. I mean come on, it's cool and all that but it's not user friendly!
So many times my calls got missed because a friend didn't understand how to accept the call for me (it was too late whenever they read that "Slide to Answer/Ignore" text)
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Ha! you don't necessary have to slide to "Answer the call". You can always just press the hardware Answer button (left answer call key) to answer it. That will solved your problem

Anybody on my open contact issue ?

Slowliness of Sense in teh handling of SMS & Contacts

I may be kind f an exception and probably very few people are in my case, however I'd like to know if anybody has fuond a solution
I have more than 1,000 contacts and over 15,000 SMS. Yeah I know it's a lot but I dotn wnat to archive my SMS and I need my contacts
It was very well handled on my Hermes with Manilla 2D (Everything was quick, responsive, etc...)
With Sense, from the original one with Win 6.1 at delivery of the phone, up to Sense 2.1 and now 2.5 every upgrade has made the management of contacts and SMS slower and slower (To the extent I sometimes have to wait a minute obetween 2 operation, it's just laughable for all friends who have iphones, Nokias, etc...)
Simply put, whenever leaving a conversation within my SMS list (hitting the back button in Win 6.5.3) I have to wait a looong time. Similarly when leaving a contact and going back to the main list or clicking on a contact in the main list. When viewing a contact, clicking on the tab for conversations is also really really slow
I guess it has a lot to do with the integration at the contacts level of the different elements (Facebook, conversations, etc...) an dif I had to take a bet it would be the link to SMSs
It's making me all the more pissed off that old Manilla versions work perfectly and handle thsi very smoothly
So my question are:
1. has someone found a way to speed up the SMS application (or using another SMS application that is faster, typically the "Good old one" from pevious Manilla versions ?
2. Is there somewhere a cache or a buffer that I could increase allowing a smoother operation of the SMS application
3. Has someone managed to disable the tab (or the link) pointing on a contact to the conversations with this contact ?
Thanks a lot for your ideas & suggestions

Seriously? You NEED to keep 15,000 SMS? Just get a grip and delete them. You'd be amazed at the performance gains from just that.

KevinACrider said:
Seriously? You NEED to keep 15,000 SMS? Just get a grip and delete them. You'd be amazed at the performance gains from just that.
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I do not doubt it will be faster but I'd like to keep them
My poiunt is wioth WM6.1 and Manilla 2D it was impressively FAST on an old Hermes !

this is just a problem with win 6.5 ive been battling this for a while now. it seems its something to do with the threading and the way it indexes through the messages. if you disable threaded messages, there is no doubt you problem will go away. the problem seems to get worse with the more messages you have.

Jeyo mobile extender
Use Jeyo Mobile Extender for Windows Outlook and save all the sms on your pc. Keep less than 100o on your WM device and enjoy.
Jeyo helps you to see them date wise, sorted and sending from PC itself.

dineshh said:
Use Jeyo Mobile Extender for Windows Outlook and save all the sms on your pc. Keep less than 100o on your WM device and enjoy.
Jeyo helps you to see them date wise, sorted and sending from PC itself.
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I dont wanna give up having them on my phone
Especially since my old HTC handles them properly

The Sense 2.5 Messaging app is slow even when you have very few (like 15)text messages from a single contact. When I reply to someboday it takes like 5 or more seconds depending on the number of messages just for the input box to take focus. The speed of the HTC text messaging app is pretty unbearable, to the point that I don't event like to text messaging that much anymore b/c of it's slowness.

ScubaSteve20001 said:
The Sense 2.5 Messaging app is slow even when you have very few (like 15)text messages from a single contact. When I reply to someboday it takes like 5 or more seconds depending on the number of messages just for the input box to take focus. The speed of the HTC text messaging app is pretty unbearable, to the point that I don't event like to text messaging that much anymore b/c of it's slowness.
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It's actually with a ROM including the previous SMS client
But eyah anyway HTC has lots of work to do...

I really understand this problem becouse i also stryggel with it. My TyTn2 is alot faster and my TP2 and that is unacceptible i think.
Im totaly new in to this ROM flashing and is running original HTC 6.5 ROM. So my question is: will i overcome this problem with a flashed ROM or does these ROM just change the interface/looks on the phone or do they fix this root of the problem that is driving me totaly mad... My TyTn2 kicks ass over my TP2 in preformance. And i cant understand that out from the hardware specs... Even if i Run no Sens/Manilla(?!) an onely SPB mobile shell om mboth phones TyTn2 still kicks ass.
My TP 2 hav with Sense driving a memory use of 85-95% with no other programs running.

dzwacki said:
this is just a problem with win 6.5 ive been battling this for a while now. it seems its something to do with the threading and the way it indexes through the messages. if you disable threaded messages, there is no doubt you problem will go away. the problem seems to get worse with the more messages you have.
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Yes agreed. It happened for me only on Win 6.5 and it seems to be re-indexing the whole conversation everytime (I was away on holidays, did a few tests and came back with the same conclusion)
By disabling the threaded SMS I solved the problme (And it handles very smoothly my 20,000 SMSs...)

hilux38 said:
I really understand this problem becouse i also stryggel with it. My TyTn2 is alot faster and my TP2 and that is unacceptible i think.
Im totaly new in to this ROM flashing and is running original HTC 6.5 ROM. So my question is: will i overcome this problem with a flashed ROM or does these ROM just change the interface/looks on the phone or do they fix this root of the problem that is driving me totaly mad... My TyTn2 kicks ass over my TP2 in preformance. And i cant understand that out from the hardware specs... Even if i Run no Sens/Manilla(?!) an onely SPB mobile shell om mboth phones TyTn2 still kicks ass.
My TP 2 hav with Sense driving a memory use of 85-95% with no other programs running.
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I agree "Unacceptable" is the word that comes first to my mind (and very surprised not to see more threads about this)
It seems to be a WM 6.5 issue (I tried without Sense and I have the same issue). WM 6.1 was working perfectly for me
It might be an option somewhere in the registry. I will see if I can find it (Although I doubt it...)
That said it seems to get better with time, so I suppose it's rebuilding one way or the other the indexation bit by bit while you click on a conversation (It may very simply be that PIM backup doesn't save all the necessary information (which is normal since was created before threaded SMS clients were created) and WM 6.5 doesn't handle this as smoothly as WM6.1 did)

Lats complain (And for this I really don't know what's up, maybe it's linked to the SMS issue, since everything is linked on the contact page): opening a contact takes ages (When you have lots of them), and going back to the list of contacts from teh contact view takes... even longer
When I say ages I mean a minute or more

Totally was just going to post a thread similar to this. You simply beat me to it Yeah I noticed that for the Sense 2.1, when you go to the "messaging" tab it will say messaging but it will take like a minute to load the most recent message you received. I remember 6.1 it was instantaneous. I disabled the TF3D messaging to that it just has the windows threaded messaging but the loading time is still the same. Same goes for the contacts tab.

Look at my last post on this thread. Might be the same issue I had...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594249

I managed to live with the SMS issue (It's getting better over time... Just dont ask me why...)
Can't live with the contact slowlyness...

Alcibiade said:
I managed to live with the SMS issue (It's getting better over time... Just dont ask me why...)
Can't live with the contact slowlyness...
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I had to cut down my contact list that syncs to the phone to around 4500 (from the 6800 that I want to use). It's sluggish but acceptable. I keep an old Treo 650 in my car with the full contact list for when I need to do a lookup.
My wishlist is about ActiveSync - I wish it was faster. It takes about an hour to reload my (reduced) contact list, and if I don't keep it under 4500 it gets exponentially slower for every contact over that.

rouxdoo said:
I had to cut down my contact list that syncs to the phone to around 4500 (from the 6800 that I want to use). It's sluggish but acceptable. I keep an old Treo 650 in my car with the full contact list for when I need to do a lookup.
My wishlist is about ActiveSync - I wish it was faster. It takes about an hour to reload my (reduced) contact list, and if I don't keep it under 4500 it gets exponentially slower for every contact over that.
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I have only 1,100... Yes Activesync is slow like hell. BUT opening contacts or coming back to the main list from an opened contact is incredibly slow. More than annoying... It makes it unmanageable
I am not sure it's linked to the number of contacts though
What really sucks is old version of HTC's software dont have these shortcomings...

Touch Pro 2 sms memory

Is it me or does this thing fill up really fast? any want to store sms on the sdcard.

Why do you think it's your SMS that's occupying all the storage space?
Some crude math:
-Given 100 MB of storage (this is a conservative figure, you should have much more than this)
-Given each SMS is 2 kb (this is a generous figure; many of my SMS are less than 1 kb)
In this scenario you should have enough space for over 400,000 messages...
Sorry, if you do have that many messages, you need to delete 75% of them. You're never going to refer back to them...

I keep getting a notification saying "delete some messages your memry is full"
or something along those lines and i checked the memery on the phone and it sais like 10 mb free!! wtf

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Sorry, if you do have that many messages, you need to delete 75% of them. You're never going to refer back to them...
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75%!? it would take an age to read 100,000 messages!

madman1520 said:
75%!? it would take an age to read 100,000 messages!
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ya i have this phone for a couple days...........

Haha, yeah, I should've said "you need to delete 99.9% of them". That would still leave you with about 400.
So are you saying you really have that many messages clogging your inbox? Can it be that it's just because you are saving multimedia files in your storage memory rather than on the SD card?

I have a sdcard 8gb calss 6. but I dont have any mms. all i know is that is says
Storage
total: 260.29
in use: 251.64
free 8.65
is this because only the sms? Also does anyone know how to auto save sms to sd? like on my g1? my g1 was the first phone i ever had that could keep like thousands of sms. and if not is there a better way to delete..

How do I check what exactly is saved on the phone memory, as opposed to how much is used.
So I just deleted like 500 txt messages, and the phone memory is still at 8 mb. what am I doing wrong?

Is your memory problem with emails/email attachments and not sms messages perhaps? Go to your email account "options" and then to the storage tab. It will show you the current size of your email attachments, and whether or not you have them saved to device memory or your storage card.

ya i have em saving to sd card

Slowing down of TP2

I have my Tmo TP2 with the original ROM...I have about 400-500 contacts and emails...I notice now that the device is getting slower each day...it is because of the email attachments maybe? It is frustrating!...I select the email or inbox and wait...open an email ...an wait!
Ideas?

ssanders1 said:
I have my Tmo TP2 with the original ROM...I have about 400-500 contacts and emails...I notice now that the device is getting slower each day...it is because of the email attachments maybe? It is frustrating!...I select the email or inbox and wait...open an email ...an wait!
Ideas?
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Your Problem is that you're running the original ROM which is BIG and Slow. Nothing you really can do about it because changing your rom

ssanders1 said:
I have my Tmo TP2 with the original ROM...I have about 400-500 contacts and emails...I notice now that the device is getting slower each day...it is because of the email attachments maybe? It is frustrating!...I select the email or inbox and wait...open an email ...an wait!
Ideas?
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You might do a soft-reset (turn off and on) occasionally (every-other day...once a week...whenever TP2 seems sluggish) to free up "program memory" (if you're not doing that already).

You should also be saving your attachments to the storage card instead of the main device. You might also what to eliminate any of the bloat that is pre loaded to free up some more space. If it gets slower over time between resets its probably memory that is not going back to the device. A soft reset or a program like Memmaid or HTCaddicts Clean Ram ( on this forum free cab) works well.

SMS Issues - NEED HELP

I have an HTC Tilt 2, running WM6.5. I'm using stock rom with Touchflo3d. I know this should be in an HTC forum, but since this applies to just about every HTC model out there and I'm also wondering if there is a normal WM feature I'm not aware of so it applies to WM6.5 only.
I have about 4,500 sms messages (I text alot) and I need to know two things:
1) Is there any way within WM6.5 to tell it to store my txt messages on my sc card rather than the internal memory? The more msgs I have, the more memory it takes, the less memory, the slower the whole thing becomes. I don't care if I need a 3rd party app to do it, I just want to know how or if it's possible.
2) Is there a WM replacement for the HTC sms messenger that's better? is there a non HTC and non WM sms messenger that's better? Mine keeps locking up the phone every time I send a message from one of the user accounts with a large amount of messages in it, forcing me to soft-reset or use a RAM reset tool to get the system to respond again.
I'm willing to upgrade to a new non-stock ROM if it will solve my problems and I'm willing to buy whatever software is necessary to resolve my issues.
Thanks,
~Mark Schamber