Why isn't it possible to install a eg. Hermes WM6 ROM on a P3600?
Sorry for this question..
Chris
cyron_at said:
Why isn't it possible to install a eg. Hermes WM6 ROM on a P3600?
Sorry for this question..
Chris
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No, and if you do this you send your P3600 directly to the trash!
Hi,
Windows Mobile - as Windows XP - relies on drivers. Since the devices' ressources are a lot smaller, the Plug'n play is limited to real peripherals. Concerning the core drivers like processor driver, graphics driver, keyboard/screen-driver and so on, Windows Mobile relies on the OEM to preconfigure the OS to load the correct drivers for your device.
Furthermore, HTC has changed the internal format of the ROM-file over the different generations of devices. The OS occupies only a part of your devices' rom, and it needs to be in the same format as the rest of the components.
However, it is possible to transplant a large part of on devices' rom into another device. The rom is structured into an xip, an oem and a sys-part. The xip and the oem-part are device-dependent, while the sys-part is portable.
Have fun!
try it ......please don't
you will just make a nice looking brick
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Gurus,
I am a newbie and want to find out any possibility to upgrade mobile crossing waypoint pdas to WM6. Since I can not find any similar WM6 ROM as a base ROM, I want to combine the original bootloader in WM 2003 with Microsoft Standard ROM to try out.
Could someone here provide any guideline and introduce some tools that might be useful?
Thanks
the so called ms stadart rom cant be run on any device
it lack all drivers which have to be made and provided to it
with wm5 the driver model was changed meaning that wm2003 based
drivers dont really work
which is the reason why many devices never move from 2003SE
the tool used to add the drivers to the base os is called platform builder
and is only legal for people to have if ms gave it to them
people like htc hp and the likes
Thanks, Rudegar .
So chances for WM6 seem remote. Since what I really want is more memory for programs, I can still move some files from 2003 ROM to storage card.
Will the tools in wiki.xda-developers.com work for waypoint?
Will Tools for HTC chips work for waypoint?
Mainly, I want to remove some files and let the PDA has more memory for programs.
Thanks
On a whim I was browsing new posts on the xda forums. it seems that the guys over on the kaiser rom forum have gotten google android to boot on the kaiser. I thought hmmm... the hermes is like the kaiser, lets give it a try. So I installed the HaRET loader, got the 24mb cab file, and the latest zImage and installed it. Followed the instructions and got the hermes booting linux. I thought hey this is easy! next step, ditch WM and go with tux only. Whoops! not so fast. seems that linux won't load past the 'jump to kernel' part. I urge someone else to try this! You really need to install the cab from your sd card, and it eats up all your ram but hey its something new.
btw, use your hermes kb in the complete dark.. your eyes color shift and the buttons take on a red hue. weird. also the forum looks like crap on my hermes. isn't that ironic?
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On a whim I was browsing new posts on the xda forums. it seems that the guys over on the kaiser rom forum have gotten google android to boot on the kaiser. I thought hmmm... the hermes is like the kaiser, lets give it a try. So I installed the HaRET loader, got the 24mb cab file, and the latest zImage and installed it. Followed the instructions and got the hermes booting linux. I thought hey this is easy! next step, ditch WM and go with tux only. Whoops! not so fast. seems that linux won't load past the 'jump to kernel' part. I urge someone else to try this! You really need to install the cab from your sd card, and it eats up all your ram but hey its something new.
btw, use your hermes kb in the complete dark.. your eyes color shift and the buttons take on a red hue. weird. also the forum looks like crap on my hermes. isn't that ironic?
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can you make an instruction how did you manage to run android on hermes?? some links and screenshots??
thanks
The following is taken from the thread "http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782
Good ROM that boots Google Andoird all the time: [May 22] Dutty's Official WM6.1 5.2.19585 Test Version
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394202
Cab file (Credit goes to: SH4Y):
http://rapidshare.com/files/11262391..._Installer.CAB
http://www.filedropper.com/sh4ysandrioduiinstaller
Latest zImage (Credit goes to: dcordes):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/atta...7&d=1211818766
Latest HaReT:
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET
For more info: http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/
Booting Google Android
1. Goto: Start -> Programs -> Accessories -> Android.
2. Pres: Listen for network connection. Meanwhile also press run (Doing this makes Android boot most of the time).
3. Google Android is now booting or you're Kaise freezes.
4. Have fun or Soft-Reset!
If Android Is Not Booting?!?!? (Even after 20 tries). Run ClearTemp... http://www.4shared.com/file/50007273...ClearTemp.html Then Boot again!!
Menu
At this moment there is no back key mapped. So the only way to get out of the menu is by soft-reset. Ppl are working on this issue, tyring to map de back key.
FREEZES
You are probably using the original zImage of SH4Y'S CAB. Use one of the latest zImages...
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All I did was download the files, install the cab, and run HaRET and try to boot. I get the "booting linux" screen and then the linux "boot list" but then it hangs. I'll post a few pictures. My rom doesn't have a screenshot grabber, plus I don't think you can get a screenshot when you aren't even running WM?
Click Here for a way to create a fresh kernel (zImage.bin) which is possibly the fix for the hermes.
Click Here for images of Android running on a TyTN II.
EDIT: Ok so I know why its hanging on the loader... The kernel is compiled for the wrong processor. The vogue uses a different processor than the hermes. Working on this.
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Whoops! not so fast.
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The phone power, reset and AT CMD serial port settings are missing
in the hh.org CVS kernel. It's not very difficult to do, but nobody
has done it so far.
Interesting...Here's the original hermes discussion thread on linux (over 100 posts):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=273579&page=5&highlight=Android
Looks very cool, but I guess a long way before it will work with all hardware like, radio, wifi, bt etc?
Perhaps I hang on to my Hermes for a while to run Android!
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Looks very cool, but I guess a long way before it will work with all hardware like, radio, wifi, bt etc?
Perhaps I hang on to my Hermes for a while to run Android!
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Honestly I was thinking of jumping ships to either an iphone or a clone but I think I may wait a year and see what happens to the hermes with android. It would be nice to get it and play with it for a while so in a year I will know exactly what I want to buy and the market will have settled down a little bit.
I have compiled new zImage and HaRET. In default.txt I have lines:
Code:
set kernel zImage
set initrd initrd-android
set cmdline "root=/dev/ram0"
boot
I loaded newest initrd-android from http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/
With these settings Hermes boots and it even set system clock (2028-07-05 10:40:21 ) but hangs after that, HaRet says in last line: "Freeing init memory 88k" and thats it. The initrd-android is not for Hermes and I don`t know how to make new one for Hermes. Or is this memory freeing thing more about problems with zImage?
Did you compiled it with the HTC HERMES flag?
Maybe you can upload the zimage/Harret to your post? sow more people can play with it... would be cool.
I also tried to compile a new zimage...it compiled, but it stucked at booting it with Harret. "Load kernel image" (or something like that)
Here it is. I used branch "work" and from there you can found htchermes_defconfig.
Thx..
I have the same issue as you have
But it dont give any error messages...and some key's on the keyboard(buttons) still give some respons on the screen...
And when you boot it with the usb connector with it, it says something more about that conexxion..
carcomp said:
The following is taken from the thread "http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782
All I did was download the files, install the cab, and run HaRET and try to boot. I get the "booting linux" screen and then the linux "boot list" but then it hangs. I'll post a few pictures. My rom doesn't have a screenshot grabber, plus I don't think you can get a screenshot when you aren't even running WM?
Click Here for a way to create a fresh kernel (zImage.bin) which is possibly the fix for the hermes.
Click Here for images of Android running on a TyTN II.
EDIT: Ok so I know why its hanging on the loader... The kernel is compiled for the wrong processor. The vogue uses a different processor than the hermes. Working on this.
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I can't even run haret.exe (the android entry in Accessories). It says it's not a valid Pocket PC application. Any ideas??
I'm running CRC's WM6.1 v11.0.
Android Running on HTC Hermes
Hi guys, I've two days trying to run android on my htc herm100 but I can't do it. Someome may help me to compile a new kernel whit the features of my htc?? The only thing that i did was run linux on my device.
lol, why are people still messing with this?
It is NEVER going to run on the Hermes.
GldRush98 said:
lol, why are people still messing with this?
It is NEVER going to run on the Hermes.
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People said that about WM6.1 on many phones, and its been ported all the way back to the BlueAngel
veyka said:
People said that about WM6.1 on many phones, and its been ported all the way back to the BlueAngel
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dude...
It's not a simple matter or using the right version of this or that, or configuring it a certain way.
Haret will never run on the Hermes, making it impossible to ever run Android.
Hermes hardware is too old and too slow to run Andriod.
Haret can't even access the sd-card. Even if some how, some one re coded haret with the proper driver (which will not happen), there are still 100 other hurdles to over-come. They would have to get the graphics acceleration working with the ATI chip, Wifi drivers, Bluetooth drivers, etc... not to mention the actual instructions set of Andriod won't even run on the processor in the Hermes.
It will never run on the Hermes.
If you want to run Andriod, you should buy a device that supports it. Hermes will never be one of them.
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dude...
It's not a simple matter or using the right version of this or that, or configuring it a certain way.
Haret will never run on the Hermes, making it impossible to ever run Android.
Hermes hardware is too old and too slow to run Andriod.
Haret can't even access the sd-card. Even if some how, some one re coded haret with the proper driver (which will not happen), there are still 100 other hurdles to over-come. They would have to get the graphics acceleration working with the ATI chip, Wifi drivers, Bluetooth drivers, etc... not to mention the actual instructions set of Andriod won't even run on the processor in the Hermes.
It will never run on the Hermes.
If you want to run Andriod, you should buy a device that supports it. Hermes will never be one of them.
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Ahh! Seems you know more about it than I do ^^ Well, I dont expect my Hermes to, but hopefully my Kaiser
GldRush98 said:
Haret will never run on the Hermes
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what do you mean when you say that? I have used Haret on Hermes.
GldRush98 said:
lol, why are people still messing with this?
It is NEVER going to run on the Hermes.
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is this some kind of a subliminal reverse-psychology message designed to challenge some dormant genius out there to waste a coupla month of his life to prove u wrong for the benefit of everyone else here at xda-dev?! ... if so, keep it up.. I hope such genius(es) picks up this post and gets all fired up and go "HOW DARE HE! I'LL SHOW HIM"... then.. *tick...tick...tick*.....*ping!*...
oh and while ur at it... Android will NEVER run on the Trinity either!!!
Funny thing....
Hi there,
it's getting funny how many poeple out there discuss the android on hermes issue.
Basically it's not the speed of MPU or a memory issue on hermes platform.
I'm quite sure that android would do it quite well on a machine with 400MHz and 64MB of RAM .
Android in fact has another important basic requirement:
It will require at least Xscale CPU or SoC with ARM926 or higher to run properly.
All binaries in the root filesystem of android are compiled to run on an ARM platform with at least V5 instruction set.
Some older devices use some kind of PXA SoC's or OMAP SoC's which talk V5.
That's why android may be ported to run on those .
Hermes uses ARM920T SoC with ARMv4 instruction set, so a standard Android root image will not work.
That's the reason why it will be very evil thing to make it ever run on the hermes platfrom.
Someone has to fix all parts of the source code that requires V5 instructions and do a complete compile of all binaries suitable for V4 command set.
Of course to do all this a nearly complete linux subset is needed too.
As already mentioned the kernel for hermes is far away from some kind of usability .
Nevertheless, it would be very cool to get any kind of linux run nicely on hermes. Please help out with reverse engineering and writing drivers to make this come true. Perhaps also other dreams may become reality this way
Best regards,
scholbert
I´m having a small problem: I use a cooked ROM but some friends don´t and sometimes, when they have a question I get into trouble, because their ROM looks different and some settings are in different places.
So my tought is: why not use an emulator so that I can see their ROM on the pc and can then give hints far quicker and without the need to my hands on that
I´ve searched quite a while but found nothing regarding this matter. All I´ve seen is the MS device emulator but I don´t know if that loads different ROMs than the ones that come from MS.
Therefor my question is: does anyone know of a ROM emulator for a pc?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
cu,
Thilo
this may help http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...12-CA31-4BE9-A3BF-B9BF4F64CE72&displaylang=en
I used this and also the Microsoft Developer Studio platform contains built in emulators, but there is no (easy) way you will be able to emulate Diamond or other ROMs in it - the hardware phones are generic devices. There are images for WM6 and 6.1 also. It's great fun installing TomTom etc and testing that sort of thing on your PC, but custom ROMs...not likely.
The MS Studio WM6.1 images are in a .msi file which is a 280Mb download.
Check this and the links at the bottow:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...AF-12E3-4B2F-A394-356E2C2FB114&displaylang=en
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...3a-a651-4745-88ef-3d48091a390b&displaylang=en
However, I'm 99% sure one of their emulators hosed my PC totally (Probably the CE 5 one). Not sure what or how it happened but a key file (related to the emulator) got corrupted and trashed XP.....ordinarlily I'd have laughed at that suggestion - except I had to rebuild my PC as a result.
Ok, so I´ll do a complete backup (image) first .
I´ll try your suggested MS software product tomorrow. Of course I don´t want to be able to simulate the gyro sensors, the build-in gps functionality and so on.
It would suit me just to be able to simulate e.g. the original t-mobile ROM or the original HTC ROM.
I´ll check what can be done in that direction.
Thanks for your suggestions!
bye,
Thilo
Hi guys.i'm new on this forum and dont have experience on coocking rom's.Could someone help me to build a wm6 rom for my navigator please?I did a backup of my wince5 rom (dump.bin file) but i cant extract its content.what tool do i 've to use?thanks anyway
blackwolf511 said:
Hi guys.i'm new on this forum and dont have experience on coocking rom's.Could someone help me to build a wm6 rom for my navigator please?I did a backup of my wince5 rom (dump.bin file) but i cant extract its content.what tool do i 've to use?thanks anyway
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As far as I know most GPS devices are based on Microsoft Windows CE 5.0 Core it's like a small Windows with Start Menu, Desktop and so on, but this feature is locked down only to Navigation Software and Simple file browsing.
There is no final Windows CE6, only some RC versions.
Windows Mobile is also based on Windows CE, but that's a different OS tree.
Basically there is nothing You can do with the dump.
P.S. I think You mean Acer P610
Spiaatie said:
As far as I know most GPS devices are based on Microsoft Windows CE 5.0 Core it's like a small Windows with Start Menu, Desktop and so on, but this feature is locked down only to Navigation Software and Simple file browsing.
There is no final Windows CE6, only some RC versions.
Windows Mobile is also based on Windows CE, but that's a different OS tree.
Basically there is nothing You can do with the dump.
P.S. I think You mean Acer P610
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Yes y're right i have an ACER P610 NAVIGATOR.So basically i cant even create a xip.bin install file to reinstall my system 'cause it has became very unstable(or if is there some tool to could extract and edit my current OS image)?where can i find a wince6 rc install file can somebody link me somehere?any help would be apreciated.thanks
Hi,
There's a way to replace Windows on my HTC Diamond with android or another operating system?
Thank you for your time
Cittino90 said:
Hi,
There's a way to replace Windows on my HTC Diamond with android or another operating system?
Thank you for your time
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No
It's still being worked on.
Grazie tante!
You can actually install android alongside of winmo. Try searching for xdandroid and you'll find what you are looking for.
ALso search for neopeek, it might help.
yes, i tryed haret.exe, but i want to delete completely windows..
Cittino90 said:
yes, i tryed haret.exe, but i want to delete completely windows..
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there is a completely lightweight windows rom that automatically starts haret and thus android
Ludacris said:
there is a completely lightweight windows rom that automatically starts haret and thus android
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But you have still wm..
well... this windows mobile is NOT functional
How right you are
Ludacris said:
there is a completely lightweight windows rom that automatically starts haret and thus android
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linky please
Android on Diamond
There are my experiences with Android on Diamond:
I used XDAndroid (Foryo, ver.FRX06). Installation is not difficult, they were two "catches" during installation in my case: First, I had to delete ts-calibration file to recreate display-calibration data (after first boot it was completely broken) and second, finally I had to (full)format Internal Storage (FAT32) because Android didnt see internal storage ("sdcard").
So, now I have working android. Synchronizations with google account works, wifi work, GPS works. But I cant install anything from Market - very annoying, I dont know yet how to fix this. At least I can install application directly from .apk files.
Summary:
Using Android on Diamond is pain. System is slow. If you are used to use some fast (winmo)ROM, you will be horrified. Let's imagine slowest 6.5 rom with TF3D - and android is even slowest . Sometimes, the response is so slow, that system detected "not responding" application and offers to kill it or wait (choose wait ). Diamond has limited memory, after boot you will have about 30MB free (depends on widgets used). Also, battery drain is terrible.
Despite all, android applications works. So, for testing, playing and get familiar with android, its fine. Then, when you'll assure yourself android is good, then you'll buy a true android device (Just for comparison: my wife has LG Optimus One, pretty cheap device, but android works much much much faster and smoother than on Diamond, its really different league, incomparable with Diamond). If you want to keep Diamond, for everyday use, go back to any fast WM ROM, (BSB is my favorite), install SPB Shell and Droid+ mod.
Pretty weird,on my diamond was faster than a wm6.1 + sense 2.1,maybe because I hardly ever used frx06.
But frx06 shouldn't be slow,there are a lot of users that like it's speed and stability,so maybe you were unlucky or with wrong/old files..
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Pretty weird,on my diamond was faster than a wm6.1 + sense 2.1,maybe because I hardly ever used frx06.
But frx06 shouldn't be slow,there are a lot of users that like it's speed and stability,so maybe you were unlucky or with wrong/old files..
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Hm, could it be possible "wrong" files makes working but slower system? Maybe it is about frx06... Can you help me to install any different android version? But keeping wm is necessary condition, so I think xdandroid is the only option..(?)
Thanx,
D.
davidm2 said:
Hm, could it be possible "wrong" files makes working but slower system? Maybe it is about frx06... Can you help me to install any different android version? But keeping wm is necessary condition, so I think xdandroid is the only option..(?)
Thanx,
D.
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You could check this forum,there are my two builds,or in rhod's android subforum there are others
Speed isn't only decided by system,but by kernel and rootfs too,so,check them out and find the fastest for you