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is there a wm6.1 for dash???

dear guys, i know you are the best in upgrading our smartphones, do you know if there is, or soon will be an upgrade to wm6.1 for s620???
tnx

Not yet.. but I think that soon it will come to S620.
We are all waiting for this update

I actually got to play with a Windows Mobile 6.1 Dash but it still seemed to lag a fair amount. Just had a flashier home screen. Everything seemed to be the same. They added Copy and Paste as well.
JAmerican

JAmerican said:
I actually got to play with a Windows Mobile 6.1 Dash but it still seemed to lag a fair amount. Just had a flashier home screen. Everything seemed to be the same. They added Copy and Paste as well.
JAmerican
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Oh man that's great news!!! I am excited. At least that confirms that there is a very high chance we will have to upgrade. Hopefully it will become more stable and not have memory leaks.
Thanks Jamerican....

did you check the new PIE how is it, does it have flash???

How about threaded sms like the PPC version has??

i'm actually really curious about wm6.1 too. I know it's out already, so where are the ROMs at? BTW, does anyone have access to HTC's downloads for the S620-621? When I attempted to register my unit with the serial # at their site, it wouldn't let me since it knew it was T-Mo Dash instead.
EDIT: well a quick search on google yielded this interesting result:
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13800
I guess that's why we're not seeing any wm6.1 devices anytime soon...

even so, here at xda-developers you can see upgrades to 6.1 for some devices, so i guess we´ll just have to wait a little bit, but its going yo be here i´m sure

Google is your friend. Many websites have covered the new WM6.1 features. Basically it comes out to these:
* Threaded SMS - A Chat like function for your SMS Inbox
* Zoom out in Pocket IE - Enables Page overview mode and better navigation
* One Note included in Office Mobile
* Running Programs tab in Settings > Memory replaced to a better Task Manager. (But the previous running programs tab was much simple and easier)
* A new Managed Programs menu
As you can see, no mention of flash incorporation in PIE. Personally, I won't upgrade until it is as fast as the HTC ROM I'm using now. I am, however, really excited about threaded SMS.

wm6.1 does exist for the dash.
Lets put it this way. People have HTC excalibur running wm6.1. 6.1 adds a new home screen, better IE (much better IE), copy & paste, new version of active sync, etc, etc. WM6.1 is also faster. I'm not sure when this will be avaliable to everyone... but it does exist.

Actually I tried it at a M$ event at my school. The lady said it would take at least 10 months for consumers to see it. That does not include carrier customization etc. Pissed me off.
JAmerican

How come the Wing users have the 6.1 and not us! When I had the Wing the 6.1 made it SOOO much better....sucks having to wait

collins521 said:
How come the Wing users have the 6.1 and not us! When I had the Wing the 6.1 made it SOOO much better....sucks having to wait
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Yup, i'll vouch for this. I have open touch v3 on my wing and love it. Sometimes i like to go out with my dash since its slimmer and wow its like night and day how slow it is. Even with the new HTC rom that was posted...

Am I missing something here? When did the Wing get a system that isnt released yet? I am confused

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Am I missing something here? When did the Wing get a system that isnt released yet? I am confused
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WM 6.1 is alive and well on the PPC platform. First batch of WM 6.1 Professional ROMs hit the scene about a week and a half ago and I may be wrong about this but I believe the wing (HTC Herald) was the first to get it from our fine chefs here on XDA-DEV. Still waiting on a 6.1 Standard version for our favorite non-touchscreen devices (HTC Excalibur etc)...
Also don't forget that fortunately/unfortunately the touchscreen devices are way more popular than the non-touchscreen devices.
Personally I believe my T-Mobile Dash running the HTC ship rom is way more stable than any other Windows Mobile device I have ever owned, and I've had quite a few as can be seen in my sig.

Thats interesting, I had no idea!

I don't want to waste time flashing my Dash with a cooked 6.0 ROM (HTC ROM) if 6.1 is only a few weeks away. Any estimate from the ROM cookers on a 6.1 release for the Dash?

Microsoft Is Coming Out With An Official 6.1 Version For The Excalibur Very Soon
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I don't want to waste time flashing my Dash with a cooked 6.0 ROM (HTC ROM) if 6.1 is only a few weeks away. Any estimate from the ROM cookers on a 6.1 release for the Dash?
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This is good news to my ears, I had no ideal that Microsoft was coming out with a official released for the Excalibur very soon...........!

Haha, yeah good thing I didn't waste my time with a cooked 6.0 ROM...

This ever happed?
WM 6.1 for S621, Excalibur?
Official ROM release?

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I love NFSFAN"s roms. He does such great work. I know in his knew v12 manilsa2D exists but, I personally don't care for the 6.5 roms. I'm not a great fan of the start menu system. Along with some other things. I'm starting a bounty with $50.00 to try to convince NFSFAN to update the WM6.1 rom for sprint. Hoping others may feel the same way. Please chime in with a donation, and see if we can get his attention.
Thanks For Looking ..... T M Z

I would be all for it as well. Not a big fan of 6.5 yet. But I think about the only thing that can be updated on 6.1 now is some of the apps. I think there has not been any new 6.1 sys released since the release of NSFAN's last 6.1 roms. I am so used to M2D now that I don't want to switch to a different UI until I get a new phone, and I don't know when that will be.

Exactly, what is there left to do with 6.1? it's a dead end. everything new is with 6.5. why you dont like the start menu is beyond me. the old style start menu is so dumb and is one of the (if not the)number one complaints of WM. 6.5 is where it's at and the future. I'd be tempted to offer a bounty to NOT work on 6.1 anymore as that will stunt the developement and growth of 6.5 and 7 (hopefully very soon).. Most, if not all, the big name chefs have now finalized their 6.1 roms and moved on to 6.5. I would focus your bounty money on working out a custom start menu or whatever to fix what you dont like in 6.5 because it is so far superior to 6.1 it's not funny.

Wow. I hate 6.1 so much that I started using Android exclusively. Can't believe anyone would want a 6.1 ROM let along pay for it. Not trying to be rude. Just saying

I have tried 6.5 for a week and went back to 6.1
Phone was really slow and i find titanium plug-in really useless.
Start menu better in 6.5 then in 6.1 ? Maybe ....i use Quickmenu anyways!
So yea 6.1 rules !!

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I would be all for it as well. Not a big fan of 6.5 yet. But I think about the only thing that can be updated on 6.1 now is some of the apps. I think there has not been any new 6.1 sys released since the release of NSFAN's last 6.1 roms. I am so used to M2D now that I don't want to switch to a different UI until I get a new phone, and I don't know when that will be.
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NFSFANs 6.5 V12 ROM has Manila2D in it. 6.5 is way more finger friendly and has purdy icons too!

If the start menu in 6.5 is so "finger friendly", why do I keep launching applications when I am simply trying to scroll the list? There should be some dead space between the icons in the start menu, IMO. And I still think M2D in 6.5 defeats the purpose of 6.5. Titanium is the new interface with 6.5 and I am not that fond of it. To each his own. This is exactly why there is a thing called variety.

Try reflashing!
If you have problems with WM6.5's scrolling, I strongly suggest flashing the ROM 3 times in a row (wich should be done for any custom ROM to work well, btw).
The scrolling and response of the screen is 100 times better on WM6.5 than on 6.1.
You don't have to use Titanium, you simply take it off the Today screen items and use the built in manilla (touchflo).
The only difference will be that the start menu will have bigger icons (wich is more finger friendly and scrolls just as well as an iPhone) but the interface will look the same as with WM6.1 with manilla 2D. You can even use the reStart app. and organise your start menu just the way you prefer!
You should definitely give it another try! But remember to flash the 6.5 ROM 3 times and also, flash from a original 6.1 ROM and not from a custom one.

Hey guys. I notices i'm starting to get a debate here. That's not why I started this thread. I appreciate some of your guys advice, but believe me I have more than one 6900. One with 6.1 and one with 6.5. I do know the difference between them. The whole reason I started this thread is because my personal prefence is 6.1. I strongly believe there are others who feel the same way I do. I would really appreciate if we could stay on topic here. That is people that want to support and update for the 6.1 sprint rom. I just have to say to all others, if you would like to pm me with other suggestions that's fine, but please don't clog my thread up. I'm hoping toget support from you out there so we might be able to get a 6.1 update. Thanks everyone. T M Z

Sorry if you feel this is polution but the thing is, this thread shouldn't even exist if you understood what we mean:
WM6.5 is the updated WM6.1... They could have called it 6.1b if they wanted to...
Globaly, you should see this as an evolution of Windows Mobile 6. The 6.5 ROM is WM6 and any 6.X ROM is an evolution but is still WM6...
It's like if you told microsoft to keep supporting and improving Windows XP SP1 because you don't like what they did with SP2 or SP3... It is still Windows XP anyways...
Well WM6.5 is still WM6 just like WM6.1 was... You can do exactly the same things as with 6.1, but better.
You can decide not to upgrade to 6.5 if you wish, that is fine , but there is nothing more that can be improved in 6.1. If you want to make your ROM better than the actual 6.1, there is only one option: 6.5.
Once again, the only reason you had a bad experience is from bad installation of the 6.5 ROM. Just try and you'll see! Like my mom said to me: You'll thank me later...

Have you guys read the thread? All those issues with speed and response are solved by flashing to a stock ROM then flashing to NFSFAN's ROM. Ultimately choice is why we are all here so if 6.1 is your cup of tea then knock yourselves out.

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Hey guys. I notices i'm starting to get a debate here. That's not why I started this thread. I appreciate some of your guys advice, but believe me I have more than one 6900. One with 6.1 and one with 6.5. I do know the difference between them. The whole reason I started this thread is because my personal prefence is 6.1. I strongly believe there are others who feel the same way I do. I would really appreciate if we could stay on topic here. That is people that want to support and update for the 6.1 sprint rom. I just have to say to all others, if you would like to pm me with other suggestions that's fine, but please don't clog my thread up. I'm hoping toget support from you out there so we might be able to get a 6.1 update. Thanks everyone. T M Z
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And again, your thread makes no sense. Again, what is there to upgrade on 6.1? As has been said, 6.5 IS the update of 6.1. If you don't like the update, then don't do it. Otherwise, make a list of what YOU want 6.5 to be and send that to Microsoft. Either live with 6.1 or go to 6.5, but there will be NO major revisions to 6.1 EVER again. As I said, it's dead and wasting developer time on it is detrimental to the evolution of our WM phones.

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And again, your thread makes no sense. Again, what is there to upgrade on 6.1? As has been said, 6.5 IS the update of 6.1. If you don't like the update, then don't do it. Otherwise, make a list of what YOU want 6.5 to be and send that to Microsoft. Either live with 6.1 or go to 6.5, but there will be NO major revisions to 6.1 EVER again. As I said, it's dead and wasting developer time on it is detrimental to the evolution of our WM phones.
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Very well said

I don't see why you guys have to bash him. He wanted to start a thread like this, in the hopes that I update 6.1. I told him that I will update it if it is worth my time, and there is more than just one request.

Neither 6.1 nor 6.5 UI is of interest to me (nor is TF2D) - I layer SPB Shell on top. Given that, I much prefer the stability of 6.1 over 6.5, and would love to see NFSFAN continue to update 6.1 - assuming there are still improvements to be made.
NFSFAN Roms are the best out there!

I mean really is this a community or a mob? Cause I mean, if the guy likes 6.1 better then he does, it's his choice...Personally I love 6.1 more than 6.5 because it's more stable and has a better feel to it
So if you want to bash me as well then go ahead, but I will warn you....you will not like me at the end of it

Winmo6.1 versus 6.5 is not like xp sp1 versus xp sp2.
Winmo 6.0 and 6.1 are like XP
Winmo 6.5 is like Vista
Winmo 7.0 will be like, well Windows 7
Would everyone agree Vista is better than XP??
Yes 6.5 is more finger friendly, personally I like the new start menu, scrolling, and while not the best, the new PIE is a step up as well. I still prefer M2d to titanium and always will. HTC rocks, can't wait for sense or a qvga m2.5.
6.1 was stable, the last Bell 1.31 was ultra fast (dare I say faster than V12???), stable and everything worked. I am not sure if 1.31 has the "latest" or last 6.1 build number but the OS is not always the only part of a ROM. The parts are what makes up the whole. There has since been new versions of RSS, office, adobe, audio manager, camera, and M2D itself. Sure a guy could try and load up all the latest apps after digging all the latest cabs (if available, or cab up the oem's), but a new packaged 6.1 with all the latest updates that 6.5 offers would certainly appeal to some people.
There was a thread in the base Vogue forum called 6.1 or 6.5? Not many people chimed in there. Perhaps all this discussion would be better moved there and we could respect the original posters wishes of having this as a pledge thread only.

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6.1 was stable, the last Bell 1.31 was ultra fast (dare I say faster than V12???), stable and everything worked.
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I stopped flashing roms after Bell 1.31 just for the exact reason you mentioned. FAST, STABLE AND EVERYTHING WORKED Isn't that all we want? It took NFSFAN a long time of trial and error to reach NIRVANA with 6.1 and it will take a little bit of time to reach that same reliability with 6.5. Until then I will stay with 1.31. I think a lot of people just want the newest 6.5 roms because it is unique and they will sacrifice stability and live with a few things not working yet. I will wait until 6.5 is as reliable as the 1.31 before I flash it.
As for updating 6.1, I can see that it could be tweaked a little but I believe it has reached it limits of perfection.
D.

I'm going to weigh in here too. Like I mentioned in the 6.1 v. 6.5 poll, I stick with 6.1 so I can use my Redfly. I also find the 6.5 interface to be ugly, but like joemike, I use Spb MS3 as my interface. I have used NFSFAN's 6.1 ROM and it worked ok. The bluetooth wouldn't connect with my Redfly and the dialer had serious issues. About half the time I'd go to it, the numbers wouldn't show. The last time it happened was when I was on call and it was 1:30am. The next day I flashed back to the stock Verizon ROM. This is MY phone and MY issues, I don't in any way want to slam what NFSFAN has done! For my purposes, the current 6.1 ROM won't work for me.
Given all that biching ;-) I'd still like to use a custom ROM. My ideal ROM would be very clean, very minimal, fast and stable. I don't want touchflo, manilla, or any "today screen" programs, I use MS3. I'd like the stock bluetooth stack, Office Mobile apps, the CDMA smart dialer, .net 3.5 or 3.7, and that is about it. I don't know anything about cooking ROMs or what makes one fast and stable, but that is where I'd put the emphasis on rather than adding software that gets updated. Since this is my only phone and it needs to be available 24x7 I had to go back to stock, but I'm not done looking for the perfect 6.1 ROM. So far NFSFAN's has come the closest, but I need a couple of tweaks before it will replace the stock version.
However, if I see a new clean 6.1 from NFSFAN, I'll be flashing again ;-)

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I don't see why you guys have to bash him. He wanted to start a thread like this, in the hopes that I update 6.1. I told him that I will update it if it is worth my time, and there is more than just one request.
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Agreed, when I was posting every day in Nfsfan's vogue rom thread,
there were a few handfuls of people in his thread that asked about updating 6.1 roms.
I say to each his own.
If he wants 6.1, let him have 6.1
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I mean really is this a community or a mob? Cause I mean, if the guy likes 6.1 better then he does, it's his choice...Personally I love 6.1 more than 6.5 because it's more stable and has a better feel to it
So if you want to bash me as well then go ahead, but I will warn you....you will not like me at the end of it
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haha, quick, lets flood whosdaman's inbox with messages aobut how lame 6.1 is!!! lets go!!!
jmitr said:
Winmo6.1 versus 6.5 is not like xp sp1 versus xp sp2.
Winmo 6.0 and 6.1 are like XP
Winmo 6.5 is like Vista
Winmo 7.0 will be like, well Windows 7
Would everyone agree Vista is better than XP??
Yes 6.5 is more finger friendly, personally I like the new start menu, scrolling, and while not the best, the new PIE is a step up as well. I still prefer M2d to titanium and always will. HTC rocks, can't wait for sense or a qvga m2.5.
6.1 was stable, the last Bell 1.31 was ultra fast (dare I say faster than V12???), stable and everything worked. I am not sure if 1.31 has the "latest" or last 6.1 build number but the OS is not always the only part of a ROM. The parts are what makes up the whole. There has since been new versions of RSS, office, adobe, audio manager, camera, and M2D itself. Sure a guy could try and load up all the latest apps after digging all the latest cabs (if available, or cab up the oem's), but a new packaged 6.1 with all the latest updates that 6.5 offers would certainly appeal to some people.
There was a thread in the base Vogue forum called 6.1 or 6.5? Not many people chimed in there. Perhaps all this discussion would be better moved there and we could respect the original posters wishes of having this as a pledge thread only.
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I beg to differ, vista is horrible.
you can't compare 6.5 to it. haha

Windows 6.5 and the weather tab.

Hi all please be gentle as I'm new. And yes this may be the wrong place for this question.
I have seen videos and reviews about the new 6.5 but none of them show what the weather tab will look like as I love the look of the home screen with the big flip clock and tabs on the 6.1 but they look rather plain in just text style I have seen on the 6.5reviews on youtube.
Is it possible to have the advantages of 6.5 but with the old look of 6.1? Are there any photos anywhere? I have tried to do some searches here but have not found what I'm looking for.
Just to add, I don't have one yet but looking into getting one and have read the issues with 6.1 but love the look of the 6.1 (origional Touch HD) So it looks to me that 6.5 is better but lost the look.
Please help
Thanks.

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Hi all please be gentle as I'm new. And yes this may be the wrong place for this question.
I have seen videos and reviews about the new 6.5 but none of them show what the weather tab will look like as I love the look of the home screen with the big flip clock and tabs on the 6.1 but they look rather plain in just text style I have seen on the 6.5reviews on youtube.
Is it possible to have the advantages of 6.5 but with the old look of 6.1? Are there any photos anywhere? I have tried to do some searches here but have not found what I'm looking for.
Just to add, I don't have one yet but looking into getting one and have read the issues with 6.1 but love the look of the 6.1 (origional Touch HD) So it looks to me that 6.5 is better but lost the look.
Please help
Thanks.
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I am running WM6.5 and it is the same as 6.1 (at least from a TF3D perspective). All the tabs are the same as with 6.1. There are different versions of Manila (ie TF3D) viz 2.0, 2.1 and 2.5 which run on both 6.1 and 6.5 (although I have not seen Manila 2.5 on a 6.1 ROM yet).
Perhaps in the youtube video they were showing the Titanium interface, but you have the option of either running Titanium or the more familiar TF3D.
So yes, if you go to a 6.5 ROM you can have all of the benefits of a 6.5 ROM with the familiarity of a 6.1 ROM. Try it, you'll love it.

Thanks very much for the quick reply and clarifying this for me.
Now I just have to find a unlocked new handset for under £400.

cobnut said:
Thanks very much for the quick reply and clarifying this for me.
Now I just have to find a unlocked new handset for under £400.
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You do not need to worry about getting an unlocked one, there are tools here to unlock the phone so that you can flash to any ROM. Read the stickies on the ROM development forum.

How many of you liked Win 6.5 ?

As the title goes.. Did u really like the new Windows 6.5 ?
I tried to change my attitude positively so much but still couldn..
I feel 6.1 is still better ..
I DIN'T LIKE IT ... What about you ? Which Rom are you using currently ??

Haven't tried the "official" release, but many,many cooked flavors
and think it kinda hohum. Not that much of an upgrade if any really.
6.1 is fine and does what I need. Not sure if I'll try the "official".

cbreze said:
Haven't tried the "official" release, but many,many cooked flavors
and think it kinda hohum. Not that much of an upgrade if any really.
6.1 is fine and does what I need. Not sure if I'll try the "official".
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Not much has changed from 6.1 to 6.5.
The two things that really catch the eye are:
- the new start menu
- the new lock screen
Both things are far better than with 6.1 so I prefer 6.5.

ahnikhil said:
I DIN'T LIKE IT ... What about you ? Which Rom are you using currently ??
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What is it that is in WM6.5 that you don't like. Many said that WM6.5 is like WM6.1. What are the changes in WM6.5 that you don't?

Personally, I'm ecstatic about WM6.5. WM6.1 had an 8 email account limit. That was a bummer for me since I have about a dozen that I would like to check on my phone and SMS, MMS, and Outlook counted against the eight. WM6.5 doesn't have the limit (that I have found). I have 12 email account configured and the "add email account" button is still active.

yea, 6.5 is prettier because its not them ugly white backgrounds in the programs and settings options, but really no actual difference......... but, id say 6.5 for being prettier.......

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What is it that is in WM6.5 that you don't like. Many said that WM6.5 is like WM6.1. What are the changes in WM6.5 that you don't?
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More importantly, what is in 6.1 that they like so much? As far as I see it, anyone that would take 6.1 over 6.5 is stupid AND crazy (provided 6.5 is free).
Hmm, let's see... do I want the clunkly, old looking, non-fingerfriendly 6.1 or do I want the newer, less clunky, fingerfriendly 6.5? No brainer.
Do I lose anything 6.1 had? No. Do I gain anything good? Yes. Does anything change for the worse? No. Again, no brainer...
Granted 6.5 isn't revolutionary, but it is evolutionary.
Anyhow, the 6.5 haters/6.1 lovers are probably lame ass Windows XP lovers/Windows 7 haters or people that don't actually understand technology. Probably old people actually. Also, what's with talking about 6.5 in the past tense?

WM6.5 is so much more finger friendly. i rarely find myself taking out the stylus anymore, which is great.

I have been reluctant to use 6.5 simply because of the new Start Menu. I'm not a big fan of the offset layout. I don't know why, but the layout makes me really confused. Seriously, don't ask me why...
But I like everything else about 6.5 (ie, the lock screen and the finger friendly features).
I wish there was a 6.5 ROM that uses Manila 2.1 with the HTC Start Menu...

My biggest pro is the capility to lock the screen without having to install 3rd party apps that chow battery life.

WM 6.1 Professional

I bought by Diamond last year containing Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional. However i updated the rom and started using Windows Mobile 6.5. Actually i don't like the looks and my phone also gets slow with the current os. Can i restore my original os i.e WM 6.1 professional with 3D touch flo?
Thanks in advance.

Welcome aboard!
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I bought by Diamond last year containing Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional. However i updated the rom and started using Windows Mobile 6.5. Actually i don't like the looks and my phone also gets slow with the current os. Can i restore my original os i.e WM 6.1 professional with 3D touch flo?
Thanks in advance.
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Hi,
It seemed to me you are new here on XDA. Welcome aboard!
Our Diamonds are not capable enough to run many things together due to limited RAM . But you can try out different ROMs with WM6.5.3, possibly clean ones with Titanium UI or simply WM classic today. I love WM6.5.x look and feel as compared to WM6.1, I'll never go back to 6.1 now And of course M$ have updated a lot of things which are useful in your daily usage.
Although coming to your original question, you can always flash original ROMs from HTC, just download from www.htc.com and flash it. But if you want to live with 6.1+tf3d there are few better ROMs roaming around in this forum, just try them out. Cooked ROMs are far more better than HTC original ones .
Also don't forget to read, Read, and READ all the stuff on WIKI and support threads in this forum. It will help you a lot
Happy flashing! Cheers!