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Htc Sense weather location wrong

Im running mighty's latest rom as of now and when i try to do my location in the weather tab, it puts me in kingston jamaica or karlovac which i dont even know where that is. anyways google maps gets my location correct and within 20 meters. any one got any help? btw ive run quick gps, didnt work.

AFAIK, at least with the stock VZ ROM, location for weather is picked up from the tower location, not GPS location. So that fact that Google Maps works OK doesn't really help much. You might try posting in a thread for Mighty's ROM.

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You might try posting in a thread for Mighty's ROM.
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Now why would anyone want to do that when they can just start a new thread?
There is probably a Menu on your Weather tab. Check the settings and make sure you have enabled the Automatic Updates.
Did you enable Location Services? Don't ask what it is. Do a search and find out for yourself. You will feel much better about yourself.

It is 19 degrees here, so if my weather tab wants to put me in Kingston Jamaica, I will go get packed now...

I also have this issue - with standard HTC Rom jan. '10
Hi,
I have the same issue, different locations of course ;-)
My location places me in the middle east instead of western europe...
If it takes my location from my tower location it doesn't make any sense....
Help...

I'm getting the same issue, it also thinks I'm near Kingston in Jamaica.
I'm in North Wales, UK so was quite confused to pick up my phone see the clock on Eastern Caribbean time and 25C with thunderstorms...bit weird as it was snowing outside at the time.
Google maps also thinks I'm in Jamaica. Is this an issue with Google location services?
J

Kind of the same issue, but not really.
Ok, I kind of feel everyone's pain here. Since Sprint was gracious enough to release the Win6.5 & Touch Sense 2.5 upgrade (FINALLY, YOU SPRINT ********), I upgraded last night. Initially, it had said Minneapolis, MN. I am in MN, but not in Minneapolis. I am in Brainerd, MN.
Long Story short, a couple of times, I seen it actually default to Brainerd, MN. But Went to look again and found that it went Back to Minneapolis.
I guess what would really be good here is an application or extension of the HTC Sense Weather program that would allow for you to explicitly define what you want to see on your "Home" tab in HTC Sense.
Basically, the GPS, Tower, whatever it is... would be an excellent tool for travel and shouldn't be disabled, but only made as an option as part of the above suggested suggestion. If I could select it when I am traveling, and choose which city I wanted when I am not, this would be so much better.
Lastly, is there a way to make it updates it's location? Or even change and/or remove the "Detected" city?
Any Help would be appreciated.

This is really frustrating me now...
I've just moved house, and my phone is insistent on me still living in the old town. I can go anywhere and it will update to the nearest town correctly, but as soon as I'm back on my wireless network at home it always goes to my old home town.
I can remove my wireless network settings and just use 3G at home, and it gets the correct town. It's ONLY through my home wifi network that it chooses my old town!

Weather location
I think I have the same problem. My weather location isn't updating. I think it has something to do with the new radio 2.09

oedsdemeer said:
I think I have the same problem. My weather location isn't updating. I think it has something to do with the new radio 2.09
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Have you used any other apps (like google maps) to verify your ability to get a good GPS lock since upgrading to that radio? Somtimes after flashing to a new radio it's necessary to reestablish that ability before your My Location will update properly

Hey all, I don't know if this issue is the same as what I was having but I know how frustrated I was so I figured I'd pass along my results (I did finally solve it)
EDIT: crap, I can't post outside links. Go to AndroidForums and search for a thread called I feel like I'm in the effin twilight zone it was created by me (same username).

In my case (Win6.5 TouchPro2):
Open GoogleMaps, let it use GPS, let GPS get hold of the satellites. Wait for a few minutes, let it download the map to show your location. Exit GoogleMaps.
Now MyLocation is correct, hence weather shown is correct.

HTC HD2 weather location wrong.
uuuummmm, solution is embarissing.
Click on the time.
Choose my location (that will use the gps)
If your gps is not working, select your location.
Regards,
totter

GPS over GPRS without GPS comunicator for DASH

I have seen on samsung simple phone i don't remember model... however so it has google earth and it was working by internet and was shoing my place in about 10Mtrs corency... so can we or do we have some kind of program to make that on HTS EXCALIBUR?????? i have tried google earth for smartphones but anyways it's requesting GPS device...

It is possible to triangulate your location to a certain (horrible) accuracy using Cell Towers in your area. I believe there are actually programs that do it (I have used one). The best accuracy i have ever gotten was within 150 Meters, standing still. That is the second down-fall..you can't use triangulation efficiently when moving (if at all...)
So unfortunately, there is not real good way to do this. For decent results, you would want a GPS.

It is possible to triangulate your location to a certain (horrible) accuracy using Cell Towers in your area. I believe there are actually programs that do it (I have used one). The best accuracy i have ever gotten was within 150 Meters, standing still. That is the second down-fall..you can't use triangulation efficiently when moving (if at all...)
So unfortunately, there is not real good way to do this. For decent results, you would want a GPS.
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I used Google Latitude which uses some sort of cell tower triangulations on my DASH and it works out pretty well. I was able to get within 80 meters and if you actually look at the Google map that is in the Latitude, my position is actually spot on.

My Google Maps Street View puts me within 50 meters.

Now is this using a DATA Connection? (I noticed the title said GPRS). That could make the difference. Whenever I tested out a program like that, i would be using little to no data connection, but if there is a greater stream of data being transferred, that may affect the response (or make it easier for the phone to identify the closest 3 towers)...

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so what kn of settings I must give in GOOGLE LATITUDE that it shows me my place by GPRS? i pushing on MY LOCATION but program is saing that my location is unavalibe... I live in armenia can it be areason of error?

Virtual GPS
There is a program by Kamlex called Virtual GPS. There is a free version and a pro version. It uses no internet access and gets your location through the cell towers.
When using Google Maps, just set your gps com port to which ever port the VirtualGPS is using (usuallly 3) and it will locate you to the nearest tower. I will post the program here.

[Q] A-GPS on HTC 7 Mozart

I have used Xperia X1 for a long time, before I changed to HTC 7 Mozart.
When I used X1, with Google maps, when I stayed inside my house, it will automatically changed to A-GPS, with a circle around my position.
But with my HTC 7 Mozart now, when I'm in my house, Bing Maps only "Searching ..." with no result, while other apps like JustAnotherMaps, TAMaps, Advanced Maps Viewer also have no respond at all.
// of course it respond perfectly when I'm outside.
Is there any problem with my Mozart?

1. goto settings > system (pivot, you'll be on this already) > location... make sure it's on.
2. goto maps > hit the me icon at the bottom (middle one)
3. if fail, turn off and on the phone and try maps again.
if nothing is showing, try and go outside and give it a couple of minutes and see if it locates you.
if you do not get aGPS (it looks the same as what you described, with "my position" being a diamond with a circle in it) and you do not get a positive lock... you probably have a fault device and you might want to try and exchange it for a new one.
the aGPS is pretty much instant on my phone and the proper GPS is reasonably close behind.

oh really
Can you show me the image(s) that aGPS is currently working on your device?
Thanks

There's no specific image to show, it just determines location, that's it. It certainly works for me. Whether it does or not depends on whether the service Microsoft is using to determine cell Tower locations is available and is correct for your location.

I'm in Vietnam now, and I don't know that M$ have supported my country or not :|

kirimaru89 said:
I'm in Vietnam now, and I don't know that M$ have supported my country or not :|
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That's the problem. The feature you asked is not a-GPS, but rather cell tower triangulation. It largely depends on whether or not the pariticular serivce (Bing or Google) has exntensive collections of cell towers in your location or not. In this case, it seems Bing or Microsoft doesn't have the database for cell tower locations in Vietnam but Google does.
aGPS is a totally different feature. It is used to speed up GPS initial lock using assitance from the cell data network.

found me sitting at my computer in under 5 seconds....
Guess if the gov't wanted to find me it wouldn't be hard!

foxbat121 said:
That's the problem. The feature you asked is not a-GPS, but rather cell tower triangulation. It largely depends on whether or not the pariticular serivce (Bing or Google) has exntensive collections of cell towers in your location or not. In this case, it seems Bing or Microsoft doesn't have the database for cell tower locations in Vietnam but Google does.
aGPS is a totally different feature. It is used to speed up GPS initial lock using assitance from the cell data network.
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Yes that pretty much explains my situation I described in other thread.
On my device - LG E900 - I get GPS position (outdoors) but no triangulation data.
I don't see any circle either. I live in Poland where Bing maps are pretty poor.
But GPS works.

I've searched, and I think that the only reason for this problem is M$ now doesn't have the data about Cell Tower in VN (and other countries)
Hope M$ will add more data soon.

Waiting for nokia help microsoft support in all country.

[Q] Difference Between VZW Location Services and Google Location Services

What is the difference between VZW Location Services and Google Location Services?
Thanks,
Jeff

Not to be a smart ass but ones from VZW and ones from Google. Lol, I'm pretty sure thats the only difference.

cmlusco said:
Not to be a smart ass but ones from VZW and ones from Google. Lol, I'm pretty sure thats the only difference.
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That was fairly obvious!
Been reading up on it myself and google brought me here. Thought I may learn something new. So Far I have learned:
VZW Location Services provides location data to phone/apps via Cell Towers (Useful if indoors), GPS location data when a clear line of sight to sky is available (Will use more battery power as it is a seperate chip/component) and Google Location services uses a Wifi Network "Guesstimate" (the least accurate of all three). What it comes down to is accuracy and battery life/usage.
Go with vzw services if you want accuracy and little battery usage, however if you keep wifi on allot (or have eg Juice Defender Installed) use Google. Most of time I use Google. I am however on the paranoid side as it is. I read where a Verizon Tech stated that you can be located within 2-10seconds with that enabled. However if I were up to no good I would simply remove battery, just bothers me my phone company knows where I am. They sell that data possibly more, yet do I get a discount for that?
I only use GPS when driving.

I think you've got it a bit mixed up. There's a few ways our phones can get location information.
Think of it this way.
--- satellite GPS = Your phone connects with satellites to determine the location. It can pinpoint your location within feet if it has a good enough lock. You can still get locks indoors, and yes it does use a considerable about of battery if you use it continually. If it only turns on for about a minute just to get a single lock on your location, it really has no impact on battery. If you run it for 20-30mins+ is when you start to notice. You have the option to completely turn this off if you want. Really it's best to keep it on, because your phone will not actually turn it on and use it unless an app tells it to (like navigation).
--- WIFI GPS = Your phone can determine your location by using the WiFi the same way you can go to http://www.geoiptool.com/ on your desktop and it can get a generic idea of where you're at (usually not more specific than the city you're in). Google likes to use this because it needs some sort of location information so it can best provide searches and advertisements. This is the least accurate. This also has an option to be turned off.
--- assisted GPS or aGPS = your phone uses the network you're on (in this case, Verizon) and it can give a rough estimate by triangulating your position through nearby cell towers.
It's called assisted GPS because it actually helps the 'satellite GPS' by letting the satellites know the general area of where you're at, so it can get a lock quicker and with less battery.
Assisted GPS does not require any additional battery or wait time because your phone is already connecting with those towers just by having a signal (the more towers in your area, the smaller area it can guess you're at)
When you first start up a GPS application (or if you disable the 'satellite GPS'), you'll see a circle around a very wide area. This is what the radio tower/VZW/assisted GPS is. Then after a minute or so, it'll lock on, this is the 'satellite GPS'.
Also there is a separate chip in all phones that determines your location if you dial 911. You can not turn it off, and I'd imagine that the government could use it with reason. If this is in use there should be an icon that pops up, you've probably never seen it.
If you're worried about your location, the only thing you can do is turn off your phone or remove your battery if you're really paranoid.
All this info is to the best of my understanding.
Hope this clears it up.

POQbum said:
I think you've got it a bit mixed up. There's a few ways our phones can get location information.
Think of it this way.
--- satellite GPS = Your phone connects with satellites to determine the location. It can pinpoint your location within feet if it has a good enough lock. You can still get locks indoors, and yes it does use a considerable about of battery if you use it continually. If it only turns on for about a minute just to get a single lock on your location, it really has no impact on battery. If you run it for 20-30mins+ is when you start to notice. You have the option to completely turn this off if you want. Really it's best to keep it on, because your phone will not actually turn it on and use it unless an app tells it to (like navigation).
--- WIFI GPS = Your phone can determine your location by using the WiFi the same way you can go to on your desktop and it can get a generic idea of where you're at (usually not more specific than the city you're in). Google likes to use this because it needs some sort of location information so it can best provide searches and advertisements. This is the least accurate. This also has an option to be turned off.
--- assisted GPS or aGPS = your phone uses the network you're on (in this case, Verizon) and it can give a rough estimate by triangulating your position through nearby cell towers.
It's called assisted GPS because it actually helps the 'satellite GPS' by letting the satellites know the general area of where you're at, so it can get a lock quicker and with less battery.
Assisted GPS does not require any additional battery or wait time because your phone is already connecting with those towers just by having a signal (the more towers in your area, the smaller area it can guess you're at)
When you first start up a GPS application (or if you disable the 'satellite GPS'), you'll see a circle around a very wide area. This is what the radio tower/VZW/assisted GPS is. Then after a minute or so, it'll lock on, this is the 'satellite GPS'.
Also there is a separate chip in all phones that determines your location if you dial 911. You can not turn it off, and I'd imagine that the government could use it with reason. If this is in use there should be an icon that pops up, you've probably never seen it.
If you're worried about your location, the only thing you can do is turn off your phone or remove your battery if you're really paranoid.
All this info is to the best of my understanding.
Hope this clears it up.
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I just joined to say thanks for this. I've been searching forums for this, and could only find half the info or smart @$$ responses on other sites. I've been searching for possible bugs and battery drains ever since the ics update and the media app smoked razr maxx battery and burned my phone to the point where the back turned brown.

Location wrong without WiFi/GPS/Edge

Hey guys,
I tried searching on google but to no solution.
The problem is when I switch off all forms of data except cellular coverage, my location changes to a City where I'm not at. I went to that place maybe thrice since I got the phone.
My location in Maps, Weather or even location saved along when I take pictures will be that other/wrong location.
Its easily fixable by just starting one of the data services, but why should I even face it in the first place.
Its happened on all ROMs and wipes don't fix it. Done a full wipe twice from cwm.
My GPS works normally when I'm using maps, it takes about 30 seconds to get a lock on my location.
Any workaround or solution or fix? (except for not keeping data switched on all the time)
Thank You.
Cheers.

death__machine said:
Hey guys,
I tried searching on google but to no solution.
The problem is when I switch off all forms of data except cellular coverage, my location changes to a City where I'm not at. I went to that place maybe thrice since I got the phone.
My location in Maps, Weather or even location saved along when I take pictures will be that other/wrong location.
Its easily fixable by just starting one of the data services, but why should I even face it in the first place.
Its happened on all ROMs and wipes don't fix it. Done a full wipe twice from cwm.
My GPS works normally when I'm using maps, it takes about 30 seconds to get a lock on my location.
Any workaround or solution or fix? (except for not keeping data switched on all the time)
Thank You.
Cheers.
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Location without GPS is online service. I hope that answers your question about "fixing" it.
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There's three things at play in plotting location: 1) GPS, 2), aGPS, and 3) Geo-location
GPS is the onboard chip functioning alone to pick up satellite signals and lock on them. You can test how well your GPS chip alone works by putting the phone in airplane mode and rebooting it.
All aGPS does is use a wireless signal (Wi-FI or cellular) to help the chip get its first lock faster. Once lock is established the chip is on its own.
From Wiki...
"Assisted GPS is a system which can, under certain conditions, improve the startup performance, or time-to-first-fix (TTFF) of a GPS satellite-based positioning system. It is used extensively with GPS-capable cellular phones as its development was accelerated by the U.S. FCC's 911 mandate making the location of a cell phone available to emergency call dispatchers."
Geo-location uses wireless signals alone to approximate position. Devices w/o a GPS rely on this for location based services.
From Wiki...
"Geolocation is the identification of the real-world geographic location of an object, such as a radar, mobile phone or an Internet-connected computer terminal. Geolocation may refer to the practice of assessing the location, or to the actual assessed location."
Once the chip locks, it memorizes the position of the satellites. So if you had your wireless on to get first lock and then turned it off the chip is still using the satellite locations aGPS helped it find. If you want to test the performance of your chip itself reboot it in airplane mode. Download GPS Test from Play. It'll give you a much better picture of what's happening with your phone. I just tried it on mine and indoors it locked and got down to 15’ accuracy in less than a minute. Conditions affect performance but, at least outdoors, yours should do as well or better than mine. If it doesn’t, it’s a h/w problem.

tkolev said:
Location without GPS is online service. I hope that answers your question about "fixing" it.
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BarryH_GEG said:
There's three things at play in plotting location: 1) GPS, 2), aGPS, and 3) Geo-location
GPS is the onboard chip functioning alone to pick up satellite signals and lock on them. You can test how well your GPS chip alone works by putting the phone in airplane mode and rebooting it.
All aGPS does is use a wireless signal (Wi-FI or cellular) to help the chip get its first lock faster. Once lock is established the chip is on its own.
From Wiki...
"Assisted GPS is a system which can, under certain conditions, improve the startup performance, or time-to-first-fix (TTFF) of a GPS satellite-based positioning system. It is used extensively with GPS-capable cellular phones as its development was accelerated by the U.S. FCC's 911 mandate making the location of a cell phone available to emergency call dispatchers."
Geo-location uses wireless signals alone to approximate position. Devices w/o a GPS rely on this for location based services.
From Wiki...
"Geolocation is the identification of the real-world geographic location of an object, such as a radar, mobile phone or an Internet-connected computer terminal. Geolocation may refer to the practice of assessing the location, or to the actual assessed location."
Once the chip locks, it memorizes the position of the satellites. So if you had your wireless on to get first lock and then turned it off the chip is still using the satellite locations aGPS helped it find. If you want to test the performance of your chip itself reboot it in airplane mode. Download GPS Test from Play. It'll give you a much better picture of what's happening with your phone. I just tried it on mine and indoors it locked and got down to 15’ accuracy in less than a minute. Conditions affect performance but, at least outdoors, yours should do as well or better than mine. If it doesn’t, it’s a h/w problem.
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Thanks, that was a very informative post.
Well I switched on GPS and put my phone in airplane mode and restarted. The Maps App keeps saying "Your current location is temporarily unavailable" and I can't figure how to use the GPS Test yet.

Okay, I did get a lock-on from the Maps and the GPS Test app. I went closer to my window lol . Now I'll see if my location comes up wrong.
Edit:Location came up accurate in weather.
Edit2:Location is accurate in a photo I clicked with everything off.
By accurate I hope you understand what I mean, when all the data goes off the phone should still think its in the place/location where it was when the data was on. Ii.e Surat in my case. But what used to happened before today(gps in airplane) was without data the phone will think its in Pune, which is a 12 hours drive from here.
I'm not the only one who's faced this, some say its a bug in sense :/
Anyways here's a thread I saw earlier
http://www.htconesource.com/forum/htc-one-x-discussion/1042-incorrect-location.html
The answers the guy gets are retarded.

To be sure, are you saying that when only on mobile data and relying upon that, you cannot get an accurate location down to 1 KM?
If so, this sounds like a software issue or a carrier issue.
If your GPS has poor reception then I would advise getting warranty repair. It might have the same issue as the Wifi antennas do.

Yeah just so you know pure GPS is line of sight, you have to have a clear view of the sky to work (no clouds either).
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Hunt3r.j2 said:
To be sure, are you saying that when only on mobile data and relying upon that, you cannot get an accurate location down to 1 KM?
If so, this sounds like a software issue or a carrier issue.
If your GPS has poor reception then I would advise getting warranty repair. It might have the same issue as the Wifi antennas do.
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Yeah just so you know pure GPS is line of sight, you have to have a clear view of the sky to work (no clouds either).
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No no.
My location when all services are on shows up fine. But say I have a weather widget and all my data services are off, instead of showing the location detected last when data services was on the widget and other settings will show another city.
I'll explain it with an example.
Lets have a hypothetical country with all the letters as its cities.
I stay in 'S' at present. I have visited 'P' and 'M' a couple of times but I'm back to 'S' now. On the occasion that my data services switch off, intentionally or because of weak coverage. Instead of showing 'S' as my location in the weather widget, app and geotag the phone will show 'P' which I had visited days ago.