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NOOB's Kitchen

Hi eveyrone.
Background: I have been playing with the new Manilla from XBMod, but in doing so I have had to change my ROM. Previously was on a DUtty v4 ROM which I loved as it was a simple clean and fast ROM.
Now compared to Dutty's all other so far are Bloated and/or slugish (even before I put the manilla2 on).
Anyway I decided to see what it takes to make my own. I looked into it and found a nice simple basic tutorial with video here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413782
Now this is really basic. I do need to learn a bit but I need some help in finding some information. Little things like how to edit the registry or how to change the boot image. Also need to find all the updated HTC apps, and a list of what HTC apps are available and/or ported.
Before someone tells me to use search or "google is your friend" I know that.
I can find out what each package does before I remove them and such. I can also find out how to do allot of these things too, but if you actually use the search also then you will find nearly everything is based on modifying an already installed ROM and not doing it in the Kitchen.
On top of all this I doubt I am the only person looking for a clean fast ROM so I will be releasing this to everyone. I would appreciate any suggestions for what to include and what registry edits to do. And would really appreciate a master chef coming by and helping a new apprentice chef.
Much appreciated for anyones help. (Remember I havn't asked for others to do it, I am asking for some help to learn it.) Lets just hope I don't burn anything...... .

Nothing?
No one wants a Simple Light Upto date ROM??

Kinda funny isn't it.
If I just waited around and asked who had what and all that, I would be flamed to a crisp and get told to read and use search. Just so you know I just used search for "OEM HTC" and got NOTHING.
I have been using the forums for about 6 months now and now I have decided to put my little bit of effort in, no one is interested in helping...
I always say that I only help those whom help themselves. I have and am currently helping myself, but I do need a little hand mainly to point me in the right direction.

Anyone?
Doesn't anyone want a simple ROM that is mearly a set of performance tweaks and updated OS and Updated Default HTC Apps?

Here's you answer - download one of teh full kitchens available (like Sulliers or Mondilv) and make it yourself.
Other way - download latest OEM rom (there's thread for that), ervius kitchen, and cut away to your liking - you will have your "latest light rom".
This is exactly what it is about. Either be ready and donate to the chefs who do such things (cook for demand for payment) or get behind the keyboard and start cooking. it's not that difficult...
This is how I started - got the kitchen, and step by step I go forward. I can't call myself a cook - I only know how to tweak a bit little things, but I'm learning. I suggest you start too
If you are searching for "clean, fast ROM" look no further than Mondilv's kitchen - probably the fastest Rom available now (if we are to trust Pietrucci's benchmarks, and I see no reason why not). Since it;s a kitchen you can do whatever you want to it. And if you are asking "how to edit registry" then maybe your searching skills aren't that good... This like the most basic thing....
Happy cooking!

Good to see people actually read.
At no point did I ask for a ROM. I do recall mentioning that I have downloaded a kitchen and am playing with it.
I did mention that I have searched and my skills in searching are perfectly fine. Considering that fact that I have found the registry information but NOT in XDA.
THe problem with XDA is that if you are to be succesfull in a search you must already know what you want to find (and therefore know the terminology to search for) which then means why search at all seeing you already know. And if you happen to find something you have to read the thread for a week to find the only single post within it that actually gives you an answer.
If you had read my first post properlly and understood it, you would realise I am after information TOO LEARN IT...... but maybe I'll take your suggestion and LEARN it instead.
It really pisses me off when people reply withou fully reading the post, and then tells me exactly what I said I am doing.
For all you know I could be a potential contributer to these threads and you have just destroyed my respect for the people on these threads. Thankyou for your lack of any real help.

Oh and one last thing, I was wrong with the last bit of my first post.
If I ask for the ROM I get flamed, If I ask for help to learn to build a ROM I get told to make a ROM or download one.
Catch 22 around here. Can't ask for help and can't get help. I wanted to build one but if this is the **** I am going to cop just cause I want to learn something and contribute, then its not worth jack ****.
And who are you to say if I have or havn't donated to other ROM Builders.

I would love to try your basic clean ROM, without all the pre installed applications. I have been looking for an up to date naked ROM, but haven't been able to find one.
Good Luck!!!

Well my intention is not a "Naked ROM" but a bare essentials one.
Just updated versions of all the apps that come with a HTC ROM and update OS Core, .NET etc.
Bare Minimum Apps.

good luck man. hope its super fast too.. and stable.

Can someone please point me to an UPDATED list of HTC OEM App Version and hopefully downloads.
I don't mind Ripped stuff, like from TouchFlo2 etc, but I want to leave out beta buggy stuff untill they are are fixed. For example I would want HTC Notifications as it seems to work well (unless I am just lucky) but I won't put in the TouchFlo3D 2 as it is still buggy and unstable.
Oh and VGA versions if possible for my Touch Diamond

Oh and were can I find a 21xxx+ version ROM that I can use?

Hmm, so I want to help, and the best you can do is smirk at my recommendations, and you just carry on:
can you point me here, can I have that or this, and oh, can it be VGA, and possibly with chocolate?
Man, I'm sorry, but there is something wrong. All the info you are looking for IS on this forum. I can't believe that you searched and didn't found. You either search the diamond forum, or use general forum search (which is google) and you just follow the links.
I don't want to belittle you nor argue with you. But just take a second and look at the way how ALL internet forums work. The first thing you do to gain credibility on any forum is to search, learn, then try to help. The last thing you do is to show up, and ask for links "on a platter" in rather demanding manner, and then criticize the answer. I just had a look on your posts and it seems that this is what you do. You repeatedly ask for ready solutions, and when people tell you to search, you are annoyed, or ask "does anybody read posts on this forum?"
I will say just this - google "netiquette" or "how to behave on internet forums".
Good luck in your search for perfect ROM for you.

And here you go not providing any form of help at all.
You say If I did search I searched the Diamond threads or used the Google search..
I have used the google one yes. And I have used the built in search searching for DIamond threads yes.
Now you imply that searching the Diamond is wrong??? I am own a Diamond so why not search the diamond threads.
This is exactly what I am talking about regarding the useless comments of "search the forums" crap I keep reading against any noob.
Instead of pointing people in the right direction you guys just simple say search.
There also seems a limit of more than 3 letter word length to search in the forum search. Cause each time I search OEM or HTC or HTC OEM then it returns No results.
Ontop of all that if and only IF I do actually find something then I have to spend hopurs upon hours readying all the Good job, well done comments before I find the one tiny little comment that actually has the answer. At that rate, for a noob trying his hand at cooking it would take 6 Months to actually find all the answers.
And now you come back and tell me to search, and worst still you tell me that searching for Diamond Rom Development info in the Diamond forums is wrong also. Were was the part that told me were to search?

it seems quite some posts are missing here... xda-developers did a restore from a backup or something after the mess last night? .
Anyway, eangulus. This is what I have so far:
- Started with a stock 2.03 WWE ROM.
- Put in a 21042 SYS + XIP (so it's now 21042 build)
- After that ripped out some stuff:
- NetCF (because it's 2.0 now I installed 3.5 from CAB, we need the OEM for it)
- Manilla
- Opera (I guess we want a newer build)
I also needed to remove it from the 'auto setup' list
- Windows Live
- MP3 Trimmer
- RSS Hub
- AdobePDF
- Cyberon VoiceSpeed dial
- Google Maps (Because we want a newer build or nothing at all)
Also needed to remove it from the 'auto setup list'
- JBedJava
- ZIP
- Office OneNote
- SampleMusic
- SQLCeMobile (Leave the SQLCE engine in)
- Transcriber
The whole thing build nicely, the final .nbh is 86.5mb.
There are a lot of things that can be stripped more ofcourse, and it doesn't have
any 'tweaks' included yet. Stuff I still gotta learn / try out.
Also converting cabs to oem/packages is on the agenda , and see what is easy from
the rhodium / topaz oems to include.
After the flashing and first boot I installed the older STock keyboard (bigger T9) because I still prefer it, installed newer google maps and installed the latest Rhodium Manilla from xboxmod. Runs fine and speedy (still can be faster by cooking it in though).
The notification enhancement works by installed a certain cab afterwards (not the one included in Rhodium Manilla), but Menu Enhancement and the 'manilla start menu' won't work.
My 21038 build that I was working with in the beginning seems just broken or something, because the 21042 XIP/SYS I used worked flawlessy. So I was doing it ok all along, just had broken files .
So, what now from here?

To get you a bit started:
In the end I used bebe's kitchen (http://www.darkforcesteam.com/showthread.php?p=3560). You need to create a user on that forum and wait till they 'approve' you to access the thread though.
In the thread there are a couple of video's posted how to get you started. I watched them, understood them and then started cooking and it worked . I don't know if bepe wants his files freely posted everywhere so I'll let you to get them yourself.
The ROM I used I actually downloaded from the HTC site (http://www.htc.com/www/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=133&cat=2&dl_id=483). Entered my serial number and got the .exe with the ROM (the ruu_signed.nbh can be extracted by using WinRAR from the .exe).
The XIP/SYS I used are from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=497586
Bepe's kitchen works with a OS.nb files (not .nbh files) so I used NBHUtil to extract it from the .NBH. NBHUtil was included in another kitchen, I got it from there. The kitchen it was included is actually an 'extended' bepe-kitchen, so you might want to play around with that one too: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469420.
But in the end, I only used NBHUtil.exe from it .
In his video on how to port a newer build to your kitchen, he uses a complete newer ROM as a starting point. He extracts the XIP/SYS from that. If you do it like me, you don't have a complete newer ROM but only a XIP/SYS downloaded from this forum. They give you a os.nb.payload and a SYS folder. So you skip the part that extract those from a ROM and just instead use the files downloaded.
And that's pretty much it. With those files and the (short!) video tutorial's on Bepe's thread in darkforcesteam.com I managed it make something. (video on starting a kitchen from a ROM, and a video on how to port the XIP/SYS from another ROM to your kitchen). Try it, if you get stuck I'll help you. It isn't hard at all!

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here is .net 3.5
delete your ntcf forlder in sys and replace with this one
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I actually have it already but thanks for helping out!

Trying out bebe's kitchen and trying an Upgraded OS build as we speak. Not as friendly as some of the other kitchens but with the vid's it is pretty straight forward thou.
Any luck in finding an updated list of HTC OEM Version Numbers and exactly what HTC OEM apps are available for us to package into it?
Im not going to do the manilla yet as I think its still a fraction too buggy. THe main one being atm is being out by 1 hour.
Once its much more stable and bug free then I'll package it. I do want the new notifications and menus thou. they seem to be workig OK.
ALso not sure if this is a HTC app or not but I have seen a new Wifi connection tool. It gives you a list of Wifi available in a Manilla Look, you then just click on one to connect. Do you know what that is called and who does that?

Also do I have to convert the .nb file to a .nbh again?

Upgrade Rom Without Data Loss...Is it remotely possible?

I recall reading a little while back a message (somewhere, sorry for not remembering) that there was a way (if i remember correctly) to make a ROM Update Utility that wouldn't harm the data on the phone (excluding MicroSD which we have to remove when updating). I don't know the truth to this, but the idea behind being able to upgrade roms and keep personal data (and maybe installed applications) is cool. I know that whenever I upgrade roms the biggest part is reinstallation of my programs (it gets very annoying!). Its not so annoying that i want to toss my Dash against the wall, I just don't like having to do it over and over again (especially with new roms and updates coming out).
Essentially, having to reinstall, and re-setup, my phone with each ROM update is really what keeps me from upgrading a big part of the time (ie: going from the Energy Rom to Ookba's new 3vo ROM). Is there any way to be able to make this process of reinstallation easier?

Have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520009

orb3000 said:
Have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520009
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That was exactly the link I had looked at (and apparently not too long ago either). I read through a good part of it, but its past Midnight here, and I am drowsy beyond belief , so I didn't make much sense of any of it. Essentially I don't cook roms, and it mentioned something about the chef having to make the RUU in a specific way (correct?). Is this in our near future?

Da_G alread made a test ROM and updated the ROM sucessfully for the Raphael. I'm sure our smartphones aren't too far from getting it either. They just have to make some tools for us chefs to use it in our kitchens now Soon.

NRGZ28 said:
Da_G alread made a test ROM and updated the ROM sucessfully for the Raphael. I'm sure our smartphones aren't too far from getting it either. They just have to make some tools for us chefs to use it in our kitchens now Soon.
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Awesome! Its great to know how active this community is (even for an old-er phone like this )
Keep up the work all you EXCELLET chefs, devs, hackers, programmers, and any other division of making this phone better

Difference between ROM's

Hello,
because for a noob like me, it's very difficult to see the differences between ROM's, I want some hints and advice for this.
I noticed the ROM of Shady and the ROM of Emrulez. For me the difference is not clear.
Can someone compare those ROM's please?
Also the word kitchen isn't clear .... :$

There is no differences. You should say Kudos to Microsoft for these ROMs and their effort. The cookers here only add and delete programs using kitchen.

thats my question, whats the difference.

nobody?:s ...

Yes it is a good question.
I am trying to figure it out myself.
At the moment, only thing that I am certain about, is that build number is different

is there any difference about battery drain ?

well the build number is like an update of the windows, higher build >>more recent release.
and roms differs with stability, free ram, storage, bugs, addons
that's why every1 r keep trying till he got the rom he like.
and about the battery drain,, they r differs too, since some have a UI interface which drains battery and other background processes assuming they use the same radio version since the radio version is one of the important things with battery drains.
to build a rom u need to build a kitchen with by it u can do it... there some ppl who like to share their kitchens to make any1 can modify the rom with his needs.. but to do that u have to know a few things
hope this helped

maybe it's a good idea if someone (I? ) creates a new topic with a Rom-overview?
The first message will show all the ROMS with the following info:
Date of last update
Windows version, build number
Programs added
Programs deleted
Free Memory
Bugs
Link to the topic
...?
Based on that message, users can choose their favorite ROM. I do not want to make a competition of this, only make it user friendly to choose.

y_bother said:
to build a rom u need to build a kitchen with by it u can do it... there some ppl who like to share their kitchens to make any1 can modify the rom with his needs.. but to do that u have to know a few things
hope this helped
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Hello thanks for your information. So there is no general kitchen which i can use to modify the ROMs? has every ROM it own kitchen? And I wonder where the people always get the new OS versions since I never seen you can download them at Microsoft or so....

@ babbelut
well yes i think cud be so helpful too , but i think it's too hard specially when a lot of roms r being created !!
@ TalhaX
well ya there is no a general kitchen, each cooker has his own kitchens some share it as u can find.
u can build ur own kitchen or use one of these kitchens,,, couple of days ago a saw a kitchen called superjustkitchen i think this may help u.. i don't know about these stuff. and where from they came with these builds but u can search here,,, and if r planning to do this make sure of what u r doing

I've made a wikipage:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=XDA_ROMS
Please feel free to contact me or add some ROMS !!

It's not so wise to make such a page. ROM i for specific device and will not work on other.
Here is a page for Artemis
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Artemis
and you should make your subpage there.
I use xdadevelopers many years and it's sad that everyone works alone on ROMs. There are only a few people owning each model and doing their own kitchen/ROMs. They should work together to make one, best kitchen, and set of quality ROMs.
Now we have for example SHADY's kitchen which is probably very good, but ROMs have many bugs. And there is nobody who can fix them, because Shady don't have time, and others fix their own ROMs. And now we have new build and new kitchen and new ROM and new bugs. Yes, they are the newest, have all bells & whistles, but are useless because of bugs
I'm looking to replace my Touch ROM, which were very good, but author has abandoned it.

it is a subpage of artemis, not?

Tilt 2, can I get Manila 2.5?

Hay guys, let me just say im complete newb at all this phone stuff unforchunalty. I dont know anything about this stuff so im asking for your help please. Ok, i want to get the upgraded HTC tf3d on my AT&T titl 2. I'm sick of the blue AT&T blue. Is it possible to get Max Manila 2.5, (I think that whats it called) for my phone? I dont know how to dl it onto my phone, or aanything. So please if any of you guys can help id be very thankful. Note, I dont know how to unlock or flash my rom, I dont even know what that mean but i see them alot. Thank guys.

Welcome to forums
yes you can have Manila 2.5
Have a deep read here to learn how to flash:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550540
Then select the ROM of your preference on the Rhodium section
Read, Search, Respect and Emjoy!
Good luck,
And don't forget to vote for Rhodium!!

Hay thx orb3000!

Since you are newbi I recommend the Energy
To have most of the work done for you check out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562773
I am running NRGz 21855 Dec 31st Standard build and it is pretty sweet. A few bugs but it is still nice. NRG also puts out another TP2 ROM which is less than bleeding edge but more stable codenamed Pheonix. Also sense 2.8 (used to be called Manila) has recently been released for the Leo so we will see it baked into Roms including the above listed one very soon!

Omg kroniced thank you to for repling, Im having a hard time with this, there is a good chance im going to be asking for help. Thanks alot for the link man, I really mean it.

kroniced said:
Also sense 2.8 (used to be called Manila) has recently been released for the Leo so we will see it baked into Roms including the above listed one very soon!
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Wait, what?
As in, Touch Flo 3D 2.8? As in a new version over Sense UI 2.5, already found on Leo & custom roms for other devices?

Progress report lol, Ok ladys and gents here is where im at. Well sadly i dont get alot of time to work on this, only weekends mostly because of work and what not. kroniced send me this perfect really cool ROM on the link of this page, its just like Max Manila 2.5/2.8, its really cool. So im looking around to the pages on how to get it and im stuck at step one. For some reason it keeps giving me a fatal error when i try to back up my phone with Rhodium-HardSPL_V2_00R3. I read from the forums you need to back up before changing ROM's. I dident know that I thought it would be like changing the wall paper or theme of the phone. Sorry really noob at this. I need like a dumbies video of how to do this or some really easy way to understand how to do this please i beg you all lol. Sorry guys this is just giving me a hard time, im gonna try and do it by tonite. please all your feed back is very helpful to me and I thank you all for it, remeber I have the tilt 2. Thank you all, wish me luck! All help is appreshated very much!

theherofromdoom said:
Progress report lol, Ok ladys and gents here is where im at. Well sadly i dont get alot of time to work on this, only weekends mostly because of work and what not. kroniced send me this perfect really cool ROM on the link of this page, its just like Max Manila 2.5/2.8, its really cool. So im looking around to the pages on how to get it and im stuck at step one. For some reason it keeps giving me a fatal error when i try to back up my phone with Rhodium-HardSPL_V2_00R3. I read from the forums you need to back up before changing ROM's. I dident know that I thought it would be like changing the wall paper or theme of the phone. Sorry really noob at this. I need like a dumbies video of how to do this or some really easy way to understand how to do this please i beg you all lol. Sorry guys this is just giving me a hard time, im gonna try and do it by tonite. please all your feed back is very helpful to me and I thank you all for it, remeber I have the tilt 2. Thank you all, wish me luck! All help is appreshated very much!
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So what exactly happens when you run Rhodium-HardSPL_V2_00R3.EXE? Is it a connection error, a program error, a device error? If you have a Tilt2, you probably need to install this to your device before you run the executable. BTW, you're not backing up your device with HardSPL, you're replacing the stock, HTC bootloader with a patched bootloader, a process which you only need to do once. It's also not necessary to back up your device before flashing a new ROM, it's just recommended if you have important stuff saved to main memory, since you lose all the data on your device each time you flash. You will not lose data when installing HardSPL with this executable.

Hay thanks for reasponeding DaveTheTytnIIGuy, here is what the error seys, "ERROR
[246] Device not reasponding" -"The update utillity cannot get respones from your PDA phone. Please check that your USB cradle/cable is connected properly between the pc and your PDA phone. And also check your PDA phone."
Now my phone is connected, im possitive it synced as well. I dont know why is seys that. As far as anything I have on my phone just all my numbers, the rest are things like music witch i can put back on, but thats on my 8 gig memory card.
I down loaded the link named "this" to my comp. How do I get them on my phone, extraced them to my phone?? Not really sure how or what to do.

theherofromdoom said:
Hay thanks for reasponeding DaveTheTytnIIGuy, here is what the error seys, "ERROR
[246] Device not reasponding" -"The update utillity cannot get respones from your PDA phone. Please check that your USB cradle/cable is connected properly between the pc and your PDA phone. And also check your PDA phone."
Now my phone is connected, im possitive it synced as well. I dont know why is seys that. As far as anything I have on my phone just all my numbers, the rest are things like music witch i can put back on, but thats on my 8 gig memory card.
I down loaded the link named "this" to my comp. How do I get them on my phone, extraced them to my phone?? Not really sure how or what to do.
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A .cab is an installer, just like an EXE or MSI on a desktop computer. Don't uncompress it, just put the .cab file as is onto your device, disconnect your device from the computer, browse to wherever you put it with File Explorer Mobile, and open it. Install it to internal memory and you're done. Also, try disabling your Antivirus/Firewall and ensure you have Windows Mobile Device Center (Vista/7) or ActiveSync (XP and lower). And no offence, but you might want to hold off on flashing for a little while, at least until you get a bit more acquainted with Windows Mobile. I recommend that everyone who flashes their device at least understand the technical aspects, since that highly reduces chances of bricking as an end result.

DaveTheTyntIIGuy thank so much I did what u sed and i instolled it with no problems to my phone. You just helped me in a big way. Now I know how to download programes to my phone. So I think I have an idea how to do what i first came here to do. But your are rite 100%, I gotta get a understanding of this before I do anything so I dont screw up my phone. Thank you alot. So now that I downloaded the enablerapinew my phone is ready for when I decide to get a new interface on the phone like the Manila 2.5 / 2.8 / ext. ?

Get accustomed to you phone by doing the minor cabs and tweaks found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524655
Most of this stuff is harmless and will get you use to using cabs and changing things on your phone.

theherofromdoom said:
DaveTheTyntIIGuy thank so much I did what u sed and i instolled it with no problems to my phone. You just helped me in a big way. Now I know how to download programes to my phone. So I think I have an idea how to do what i first came here to do. But your are rite 100%, I gotta get a understanding of this before I do anything so I dont screw up my phone. Thank you alot. So now that I downloaded the enablerapinew my phone is ready for when I decide to get a new interface on the phone like the Manila 2.5 / 2.8 / ext. ?
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No, that .cab enables RAPI (Remote API) on the Tilt2, which allows programs like the HardSPL unlocker, on the PC, to control the device to an extent, which it needs to do in order to flash HardSPL.

Hi, How can I get the actual version of manila running on my Tilt 2
Thanks

It's listed in this key in your registry:
Its HKLM\Software\Manila\Version

sirphunkee said:
It's listed in this key in your registry:
Its HKLM\Software\Manila\Version
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minor correction: HKLM\Software\HTC\Manila\Version
On the stock Tilt2, the version is 2.1.19183217.0
Note that this can also be seen by looking at the About section of the Settings tab in TF3D.

This is awsome DaveTheTytnIIGuy, the programe you sent me worked. I was suscussfully able to flash my HardSPL, with Rhodium-HardSPL_V2_00R3. Thank you. So now I'm up to the next step witch is finding a ROM.

Is it possible to get Manila without flashing a cooked rom or is manila a cooked rom? I guess what I am asking is Can you get Manila as a CAB file or do you have to flash it as a ROM?

raveztaylor said:
Is it possible to get Manila without flashing a cooked rom or is manila a cooked rom? I guess what I am asking is Can you get Manila as a CAB file or do you have to flash it as a ROM?
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The only way to get a different version of Manila is to change ROMs. If you're using the stock ROM, you'll need to switch to a cooked ROM to get one of the newer versions of Manila.

[Q] Sense 2.5 Email Tab for Sense 2.1 TP2

Is there a cab or anything that'll give me the Sense 2.5 email tab for my Sense 2.1 TP2. I only found one cab (kimi_sae_ireba) but it didnt work correctly. There's a lot of white and out graphics issues. I saw something in that post about editing the 220edf70_manila file for a WVGA device, but I wouldn't know how to do all that. Id love to have it tho, so any help would be appreciated.

Assuming you're still on a stock ROM as most people who use TF3D are, why not move up to a 2.5 ROM that has it? Development on 2.1 is all but ceased. There are very few chefs who still cook it in to their ROMs.
If you are stuck on having 2.1 over 2.5, try out Jackos Sense 2.1 ROM. It's very popular and stable.
Outside of these suggestions, maybe you could per$uade a chef or someone to mod the mode9 file you need to make it work. I wouldn't expect much, though.

My SmartMOVE ROM (Sense 2.1 + WM6.5) does have included the e-mail tab from Sense 2.5 mod by kimi_sae_ireba and it does work fine

Do you know anything that could help me with that? I have the cab and everything. It just says I need to edit some files. Do you think you could extract any files from your rom to see if itd work for me? Thanks.
Heres the post I got everything from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=605252

jwatts03 said:
Do you know anything that could help me with that? I have the cab and everything. It just says I need to edit some files. Do you think you could extract any files from your rom to see if itd work for me? Thanks.
Heres the post I got everything from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=605252
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Why not just flash Jackos' ROM? It manages memory way better than the stock ROM. You'll have more RAM and a more stable experience overall in my opinion.

I did just look at that Rom, and I would kinda like to try it. I only have 2 problems. 1, I have lots of programs. And dont really wanna have to go through that whole process again. And 2, it has (SP1) (SP2) to download after the Rom, and Im not really sure what those are.

jwatts03 said:
I did just look at that Rom, and I would kinda like to try it. I only have 2 problems. 1, I have lots of programs. And dont really wanna have to go through that whole process again. And 2, it has (SP1) (SP2) to download after the Rom, and Im not really sure what those are.
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What do you mean SP1 and SP2? Have you flashed a ROM before? If not, then you have a bit of reading to do before flashing all willy-nilly. Head over to the flashing for noobies thread to get a bit more info on the topic.
The proper order for flashing new ROMs is to unlock the SPL on the device, perform a task29, flash the stock ROM, task29 again, then flash the custom ROM. The first time is always a little scary.

Ive flashed before. I thought I found a good rom but this one looks like it might be even better. But look at this post I found http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=632617 After the rom download link it has 2 separate "SP" files to download too. But I dont know what those are.
Also it says it has Tom's autoinstall installed in the rom, will that install to the phone or the storage card? I dont want everything installed to the phone.

jwatts03 said:
Ive flashed before. I thought I found a good rom but this one looks like it might be even better. But look at this post I found http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=632617 After the rom download link it has 2 separate "SP" files to download too. But I dont know what those are.
Also it says it has Tom's autoinstall installed in the rom, will that install to the phone or the storage card? I dont want everything installed to the phone.
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Next time, searching would likely answer your questions more quickly.
SP1 explanation
SP2 explanation
As far as Tom's autoinstall, yes it does install to the internal memory. There shouldn't be a need to reinstall everything to the SD. Some of them have settings that install to the internal memory or the registry, but the majority of them that you install to the SD stay there. For more questions about Jackos' ROMs, please ask on that thread. You'll get much better answers there. Jackos supports the ROMs very well. Just make sure you read and search properly before firing away with the questions, just like on any other thread.

jwatts03 said:
Do you know anything that could help me with that? I have the cab and everything. It just says I need to edit some files. Do you think you could extract any files from your rom to see if itd work for me? Thanks.
Heres the post I got everything from:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=605252
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Just install this: Sense 2.1 Email Tab Add-on V3 ported from Sense 2.5*
And later that: WVGA fix.
Here is the post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5202526&postcount=3 Just look in the tweaks/mods section.
PS You don't need to edit anything Just ensure that you're running a Sense 2.1 (not TF3D) ROM.