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Further steps - after Vanilla and WXML v0.10

At first i would like to thank all guys in the community that worked for it and making this possible - you all are doing this for fun and not for a salary, you all are idealists.
But, especially to kyphur, how it will goes on now? Bug fixing or releasing the one we really wanted?
Almost everybody, me too, flashed a WM6 version either Vanilla or v0.01 and is now sreaming that this is and that is not working. Of course it is a little bit frustating but why you should give up the primary goal - the building of a stable and note beta based rom - for bug fixing?
Now the first WM6 rom is out, the issue with the unnamed source of the "real" in difference to the "beta" rom steps more and more in the background and the time for releasing the real rom, as you wanted to do it, comes closer and closer.
I think it would be a much bigger effort to work on the real rom and checking the dangerous items in it, than doing that bug fixing.
As more you concentrate on this as faster it will be there and, in the end, when we have it, nobody will uses the bugfixes anymore.
other opinions?

I have not abandoned the original Rom Base for WMXL. It is still there and I still want to release a version based on it or it's predecessor (such as an approved for official release carrier Rom).

kyphur said:
I have not abandoned the original Rom Base for WMXL. It is still there and I still want to release a version based on it or it's predecessor (such as an approved for official release carrier Rom).
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Great, thank you and in case that you did not not recognized my pm´s, just delete them.
You´re great!

I say head on to the final release. There are enough guru's here who can figure out how to fix those niggly little bugs, but there's only Kryphur with his finger on the crossbow ROM...

Absolutely,
No other e.g. the same opinions?

I, too are anxious to see the original wm6 rom development coming around at some later stage. I can understand the recent hype though, since I also use my Hermes both as a tech toy and as a work system being torn between these both "system states" often enough. The advent of a stable productive version would surely make my day and I believe the original devt. was a better chance in this direction. For the time being, I am quite content with playing around with what is availeable as of now, knowing that I can always revert to my 'stable' HTC Test rom.
So many great possibilities have surfaced in just the last couple of days, that I am quite sure soon we will basically be able to find solutions for everyones different needs and priorities here.
I for one am definitely keeping an eye out for k's original rom project.
Thank you for your effort and support.

BZ
I agree with apokryphus's premise, which needed to be expressed. I am sitting back waiting for the "original" ROM that kyphur promised. I use my device for work and play, and don't have time or motivation to be squashing bugs all the time When I flash, I want to have a working system that I won't have to constantly return to the forum to find bug fixes for, and I know there are many out there like myself.
Now, friend Kyphur, you are stuck with trying to field all the posts in the "Issues" thread, while at the same time working on the original goal. Did you guys see how heated the thread got at a couple of points?
A thousand thanks, Kyphur, I admire (but don't envy) you! Just don't let the furor raised by the "early release" sidetrack you, PLEASE! "
BZ" as we used to say in the Navy: "Bravo Zulu" (signal talk for "Well Done.")
Best regards to you and your collaborators.
Ben, deported from Chi-Town to Florida.

In according to duttys "rom koch" all we need at last is a stable and original rom then we will have all we need to cook our own specified rom with appz we want and without those we do not want.
I think when kyphur will release his genuine rom, we will have one of the best devices - with out gps - that we can have!

looks like htc won·t release wm6 for p3600

HY Guys.I HAVED ASKED THE:
hi.First of all sorry for my bad english since I
am an spanish user.My problem is that I do not understand why HTC wont release a wm6 for the P3600 since this device doesen? work verry well whit the actual released version of wm5.For all the oder new version of pda? HTC
have relesed an wm6 but not for P3600.I am a little mad sice this device
is not verry cheap you know and I can not enjoy of wm6.Thank you
WELL THEY ANSWER ME:
Hello Sir,
I understand, but apparently their decision has been taken, they
confirmed it to us (at the support centre) last week.
I'm forwarding your request and disappointment now.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please
do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html
SO WHAT DOES THIS MEEN NO OFFICIAL WM6 FOR THE P3600?

Would be kinda weird. I have a Herald, and that's a phone with a bit lesser functionality, apart from the hardware keyboard. The P3600 deserves a WM6 update just as much as the other current-generation HTC phones.

YEP
Yes This Is What I Have Told Them And They Answer Me That Thig.so It Seems That Will Have To Use This Great Versions Of Wm6 That We Have Here In Xda Developars

I´m sure HTC complains about this website,but thank to our rom cooks my wifi works because with their flipping wm5 it never did and their support didn´t know what to do.
To tell you the truth...who cares if they don´t release a wm6 version,because if they do it,the new release would like the ones released by Dopod,same green and ****ty dialpad,windows messenger and apps that most of us can careless.

Well dta1974 you are write ho needs their wm6 rom when here we have the best for the Trinity.

dta1974 said:
I´m sure HTC complains about this website,but thank to our rom cooks my wifi works because with their flipping wm5 it never did and their support didn´t know what to do.
To tell you the truth...who cares if they don´t release a wm6 version,because if they do it,the new release would like the ones released by Dopod,same green and ****ty dialpad,windows messenger and apps that most of us can careless.
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..agree may be I will use a cooked rom, but it could be interesting to know how they will make tomtom installable on wm6.

dodba said:
..agree may be I will use a cooked rom, but it could be interesting to know how they will make tomtom installable on wm6.
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TomTom is installable on WM6 and Traffic info works with for example .mUn. 2.1 TE (which is also WM6).
Since DOPOD is releasing the official ROMs it became a mess for TomTom. First with the .17 version (and cooked ROMs based on that version like
INDIGO Lite) which changed the DEVICE ID and now with the .18 version it doesn't work at all.
It's TomTom which doesn't support WM6 (yet), WM6 from HTC doesn't make a difference.

Although I agree with the general population of pissed off HTC customers, I can't say I share the same opinion about cooked ROMs. Most cooked ROMs won't be as stable as an official ROM -- with horror stories about users having to follow procedures to avoid battery life, wifi, gps and other problems.
I do admit HTC ROMs will probably include software which most of us don't need but if I ever install a cooked WM6 ROM, it'll be only if it's a cab-cut-down version based on an official Trinity WM6 ROM.
What's worse is if this injustice weren't enough, they go ahead and release a WM6 version of the P3600 with slightly better specs. Sales seem to be more important than keeping a happy customer base.

there is also the warranty problem.
if i install the cooked ROM and i have any problem with my device and i mean any -even a hardware one like non working speaker- im sure that the HTC service center will make my life hard...

forcedalias said:
Although I agree with the general population of pissed off HTC customers, I can't say I share the same opinion about cooked ROMs. Most cooked ROMs won't be as stable as an official ROM -- with horror stories about users having to follow procedures to avoid battery life, wifi, gps and other problems.
I do admit HTC ROMs will probably include software which most of us don't need but if I ever install a cooked WM6 ROM, it'll be only if it's a cab-cut-down version based on an official Trinity WM6 ROM.
What's worse is if this injustice weren't enough, they go ahead and release a WM6 version of the P3600 with slightly better specs. Sales seem to be more important than keeping a happy customer base.
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I have found that to be true. The Official Dopod ROM is more stable than the cooked ROM's I've tried.

most of cooked rom are based from the original dopod... so all of them are good... HTC maybe will not release an official upgrade but their ROM will not better of official Dopod... and it's always possible to put back the orginal wm5 if you have to send device to repair... so yeah it's a pity HTC will not release an official update but cooked ROM has nothing less.

Guybrush said:
most of cooked rom are based from the original dopod... so all of them are good... HTC maybe will not release an official upgrade but their ROM will not better of official Dopod... and it's always possible to put back the orginal wm5 if you have to send device to repair... so yeah it's a pity HTC will not release an official update but cooked ROM has nothing less.
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Despite being based on official ROMs, it's possible a little too much is changed each time causing instability. I mean, let's face it -- one or two enthusiast developers cooking a ROM vs an entire team of developers at HTC. I'm pretty sure their collective knowledge ensures greater ROM stability.
As simonte mentioned, should any cooked ROM cause the device any permanent hardware failure, getting the phone repaired by HTC will be a *****.
There have been times I've been tempted to give in and go for cooked but I just plain don't wanna install Olipoop's HardSPL.

dodba said:
..agree may be I will use a cooked rom, but it could be interesting to know how they will make tomtom installable on wm6.
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Sorry I guess I don´t get it,what do you mean by that.Sorry.
Battery drain with the cooked roms?I don´t know what to say because with the rom by HTC wm5,once I turn on the GPS...man my battery starts dieing,regarless of the rom and version and a few calls later and goes from a 100% to 80% really fast.
So I got to a point that If I have this xda I don´t even think about battery drain or memory leakage,it´s just a phone (I know it´s more than that and expensive)but that how I see it.
Bye and enjoy the roms ;-)

dta1974 said:
Sorry I guess I don´t get it,what do you mean by that.Sorry.
Battery drain with the cooked roms?I don´t know what to say because with the rom by HTC wm5,once I turn on the GPS...man my battery starts dieing,regarless of the rom and version and a few calls later and goes from a 100% to 80% really fast.
So I got to a point that If I have this xda I don´t even think about battery drain or memory leakage,it´s just a phone (I know it´s more than that and expensive)but that how I see it.
Bye and enjoy the roms ;-)
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Battery shouldn't be dying that fast. I'm using the ANZ HTC WM6 rom and have no problems. With TomTom running and RF circuits on (With a few short calls) I still get about 6 hours of battery. WiFi seems to cause huge battery drainage though, rarely get more than 3 hours with it turned on. AX3L's rom since 2.0.8.2 seem to have best battery life though when using Wifi, just depends on what you want most.

is there a chance for "PERFECT ROM" ??

hi!
I think there are more people like me who are flashing their devices twice or more per week - depends of relasing new versions of cooked ROMs.
My question is to ALL :
is there are chance for PERFECT ROM ?
ROM which will have everything what needed, no bugs, no issues, no fixes needed, no additional software ????
what do you think???

well 6.1 isnt official on the hermes, so cooks are trying their best to make it work for us. With updates etc its almost impossible to have a perfect rom -
its an operating system, all operating systems have flaws hence the updates, then software updates, new features etc.

No. You've got more chance of finding a perfect woman (or man).
Even if I had the perfect ROM, chances are I would want to try something else just to see if I was wrong.

Start cooking yourself! Maybe then you might be able to find the perfect one! But then I doubt it
PS: What is the definition of "perfect"? If you can give one, then you might be able to build one!

Feedback on custom ROM's

Hello everyone,
I would like to give some feedback on my experience with cutstom rom's available for the rhodium.
First of all, I want to thank all people on this forum who are kindly providing their work and time. thanks to all of you guys
I was looking for a custom rom in order to get something that isn't on the last wm 6.5 official/stock rom : speed (i'm using a french/european version of the rhodium)
Because many people on many different forums told me that I had to try those custom rom's, that they are much better in pretty much each aspect, I tought "let's give it a try"
So, I came here and, since the last 2 months, I tried barely each "energy" rom's (those one's who seemed to be the most downloaded/popular) but also some other ones.
Actually, I am kinda disappointed. As a matter of fact, I think i didn't get out one single positive point from the whole experience.
For example, I can't even tell you how much business calls I missed, don't even want think about it.
ROM's I tried are slower, more bugged in a general way, and poor "amateur-style" designed (last point which is logic, but has to be said) than the last stock/original HTC wm 6.5 (european) rom
As a consequence to what, I strongly diss-recommended to any professional user to try anything here while he has to use the device to earn money : it's a very very bad idea.
For me, technically, a big part of the problem comes from rohdium's hardware which is simply to low to run wm 6.5 smoothly, no matter how you try, it's not doing it / end of the story
Now, I got back to the stock wm 6.1 rom which runs..normaly
Sometimes there's a lag in a menu, but I can go on with that..at least I'm not loosing money anymore.
Finally, I'm not saying all of this in order to start a flame war but only to spare time to the professional user who needs his rhodium to work with : if you read me, just stick to the wm 6.1 stock rom, it is definitely the best option you have

alvoryx said:
Hello everyone,
I would like to give some feedback on my experience with cutstom rom's available for the rhodium.
First of all, I want to thank all people on this forum who are kindly providing their work and time. thanks to all of you guys
I was looking for a custom rom in order to get something that isn't on the last wm 6.5 official/stock rom : speed (i'm using a french/european version of the rhodium)
Because many people on many different forums told me that I had to try those custom rom's, that they are much better in pretty much each aspect, I tought "let's give it a try"
So, I came here and, since the last 2 months, I tried barely each "energy" rom's (those one's who seemed to be the most downloaded/popular) but also some other ones.
Actually, I am kinda disappointed. As a matter of fact, I think i didn't get out one single positive point from the whole experience.
For example, I can't even tell you how much business calls I missed, don't even want think about it.
ROM's I tried are slower, more bugged in a general way, and poor "amateur-style" designed (last point which is logic, but has to be said) than the last stock/original HTC wm 6.5 (european) rom
As a consequence to what, I strongly diss-recommended to any professional user to try anything here while he has to use the device to earn money : it's a very very bad idea.
For me, technically, a big part of the problem comes from rohdium's hardware which is simply to low to run wm 6.5 smoothly, no matter how you try, it's not doing it / end of the story
Now, I got back to the stock wm 6.1 rom which runs..normaly
Sometimes there's a lag in a menu, but I can go on with that..at least I'm not loosing money anymore.
Finally, I'm not saying all of this in order to start a flame war but only to spare time to the professional user who needs his rhodium to work with : if you read me, just stick to the wm 6.1 stock rom, it is definitely the best option you have
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Its based on user preference. I used to like Energy, but now in my opinion its just slow, overloaded junk. I used to think the same until I found Valkyrie. From there I was a fan of that ROM. However, the chef left so now I make my own ROMs. Just to make sure, have you tried Valkyrie, WCX Iluminati, Simplicity, Eden or even mines (in my sig)? I talk to the Wild Child (the WCX chef) and I know he takes pride in his ROMs and they are rock solid. I have tried them before. Try his, try mines, and try the ones I gave you on the list. See if you like any.
If not, maybe you like Sense 2.1 ROMs with 6.1. There is chefs cooking that around here. Look around. There is way more chefs and better selection than when I first started with my Rhodium.

If you want speed and reliability from a cooked ROM, you need to try Ondraster's LBFAR ROMs. They are definitely the cleanest ones in the forum.

Yeah the reason that my dad and I use a custom rom (valkyre) is because we want to miss a lot of calls.
Come on, I use my phone for business everyday and I never have problems that you descripe. What did you expect then? That when you are messing with the software, all your problems will be solved?
I agree that some roms are more stable and faster then other roms. But that's the choice that you make when using them.
Some people are just not made for driving a car, maybe you are not made for flashing...
One last thing, change your topic title, it's not feedback it's flaming.

That's not flaming, that's giving advice. And it's (generally) good advice. Flashing ROMs is fun, tinkering with settings and mods etc. is fun. That's probably why a lot of us have stuck with WM for so long.
But my experience with flashing ROMs is pretty similar to the OPs. Fun, but ultimately most have too many bugs, quirks, and so on for people who don't use their mobile device as a toy. Also, the claims that this ROM or that ROM gives some great performance boost is mostly bunk. These speed gains are mostly imaginary.
Time after time, with every device I've had, I ultimately find that the closer to stock the phone is, the better it performs. That's not a flame on the chefs out there, I have a lot of admiration for them, and whenever I get a new phone I can't resist the urge to flash lots of ROMs and tinker, tinker, tinker. After a few months, though, when my phone becomes a tool rather than a new toy, I invariably go back to nearly stock.
On my Tilt 2, I'm running the "official" new Tilt 2 ROM (the one with Sense 2.5) and Cookies Home Tabs, and that's basically it.

Lennyz1988 said:
Yeah the reason that my dad and I use a custom rom (valkyre) is because we want to miss a lot of calls.
Come on, I use my phone for business everyday and I never have problems that you descripe. What did you expect then? That when you are messing with the software, all your problems will be solved?
I agree that some roms are more stable and faster then other roms. But that's the choice that you make when using them.
Some people are just not made for driving a car, maybe you are not made for flashing...
One last thing, change your topic title, it's not feedback it's flaming.
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comon i know you're pissed because you loosed the world cup ^^
(--> u see the difference ? that was a flame)
no seriously, don't be pissed i'm giving my point of view it's all.
besides, take it for what it is but i'm a system engineer..I think flashing a pda is counting within the things I can do
sure i didn't test them ALL..but like 20 of them.. after that, it's only a matter of time..
and this thread is because, now my estimation is that I spend enough time trying..
maybe i could point out "the professional user who doesn't want to spend 4 months searching around" ..ok ok u got it xD
but i think u got also what i meaned

Custom rom vs official rom?

I got the device few days ago and I'm wondering if it would make a big difference to root the device and install custom rom, so what do you think guys?

well............hard question and easy at same time, for myself ALWAYS CUSTOM for soooo many reasons! performance, style, modz, add-ons, etc....
Even in the case you still want stock, i recommend you to convert your phone to WWE edition so you can always the latest updates and firmware, you can also change to DEV edition almost the same than WWE in the release for updates but it is just that with WWE most of the developers work with WWE bases to make custom roms, kernels, etc... and with DEV it is just to have the latest OFFICIAL firmware/updates as soon as possible.
Hope this helps!

ahmed4never said:
I got the device few days ago and I'm wondering if it would make a big difference to root the device and install custom rom, so what do you think guys?
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Unless you've just bought a phone like the one plus, you'll have an OEM's crap on your device, as well as some tight security which would annoy the hell out of me, plus you won't have any of the features which are available for custom roms.
Not to mention the apps ie: titanium, autostarts, xposed etc.
For me it's custom all the way, a phone feels so boring and alien without it.

thanks for your input guys, but does it make a difference in terms of battery life?

Depends on the ROM, kernel, user settings

ahmed4never said:
thanks for your input guys, but does it make a difference in terms of battery life?
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Yea and no.
If you grab a great rom, guilded with love and care. Then yes. Leedroid for example, stripped and created from the ground up. It's superb. Stock, you have a chance. But its a long one and with newer phones coming out, they'll get less and less optimised, believe me xda keep phones alive. Please take a look at the HTC HD2. The development there is something the likes of MIT and NASA should be scared of.. They are a persistent bunch, I saw an hd2 user the other day. He was a little twitchy but his phone was his price and joy. XDA did that. Some talented people here. Choose your weapon (In this case htc ) and let's see what they can do. Trust me when I say you're in good hands.